Sahaj Marg in Canada

Taken from an article by Alexis: "Sahaj Marg au Canada",  on Élodie's blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg



April 5, 2013
 
 Sahaj Marg in Canada
 
A year ago, Kamlesh Patel encouraged Canadians to raise funds to acquire an ashram: “ if 1,000 abhyasis each contributed $20 per month, that would be $20,000 per month and in a year we would have $240,000 – had we started five years ago we would be in a position now to acquire a property!”

Kim Hansen writes in Echoes of North America in March 2013:


Northern Light: an Ashram in Canada

"We are happy to inform you that there will soon be an ashram in Canada. On December 28th, Master responded to our proposal for the acquisition of an ashram property in the city of Toronto and proposed inauguration on his birthday, 24 July 2013. He wrote, “I am happy that Canada has the possibility of acquiring its first ashram. I have gone through the project report and am pleased to approve of it. You may all go ahead with the Master’s blessings.”

Abhyasis in Toronto are heart-fully engaged in a search for the right place, and are digging deep to contribute financially, within our means, for this long-awaited and blessed development. Seemingly out of the blue, by Master’s grace, we have received gifts from several abhyasis in Europe who have heard about the project. We invite one and all to join us in bringing this project to fruition. There is no time to waste."

4d-Don's Comment:  "...no time to waste"?  Have they (the adherents to Sahaj Marg) all become Apocalyptic?  The day they die, and they see that the material World is still here and has not been "destroyed",  will they simply egotistically claim: "It's because we, at Sahaj Marg, have done our "duty" and built one more ashram, temple or church in one more "new religion", managed by self-serving "businessmen" !!

Yeah Right!!  Believe that if you want to ... They (the "apocalyptic religious") seem to believe that they will be rewarded in the "other world" and start sending "whispers" to the other abhyasis from the spiritualist "central region" !!   I don't believe that invented fantasy!!  

Rather than donating to  build one more "recreational" ashram (a material place for a few to "navel gaze"), you could instead donate to feed one more hungry child ... You decide what is more charitable or spiritual (concrete, material ashrams or flesh, and blood (and SPIRIT??)  humans!! ).   

Either way, I don't think the secular, the humanist, the atheist or the "free thinking" tax-payers should be asked to subsidize these merchants of self-serving, recreational religious fantasies with our "tax-exempt" legislation meant for legitimate "charities" !! 

Alexis 

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According to Babuji's Grandson, Whispers are "Misleading"!!

Taken from Sportlight at  Society for Babuji's Mission, part 37 and exerpt of part 38.


4d-Don's Comment: If Babuji is not sending the messages (Whispers) to the Anonymous French Lady Medium, who is then compiling Whispers From The Brighter World,  then who (or what spirit) are the spiritualist channeled messages (Whispers) coming from?   Is the Medium making it all up?  What are the abhyasis paying for?  An "opulent" book (to quote Chari)?


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Haqeeqat Benakaab (Reality without covering)
High Level Talks during Rev. Babuji’s times and after His Mahasamadhi
Part – 37
Shubh Chintak Kishore and Sharad Chandra

There were quite a few people highly rumoured to be in Central Region even in Rev. Babuji’s times. Talks of this nature multiplied after His mahasamadhi. So many people started talking of having met Him, saw Him in dreams, having messages from Him, getting long inspirations from Him covering pages, continous flow of inspirations from Him in praise of worthless self style living master (as if He has no other work except praising the worthless self style living master), etc.

True meaning of Living Master is who is ever living and presence can be felt by sincere devotees. But his members (slaves) would not understand this meaning, they will only understand the meaning given to them for Living Master.

Parthasarthi, who admittedly has no power of inter-commune with his Master – Rev. Babuji, still gave messages to his innocent members (slaves- whose quality is that they do not apply their mind but think that what their master says and does is the best) like living master saying ‘discussed with Master’, ‘got Master’s consent’, ‘Master appreciated my view’, etc. etc.

Finding that such things were on increase, I, Sharad asked Rev. Babuji Maharaj’s clarification in this matter on 10th March 2013 at 3.40 a.m. (IST).

Sharad : “Many people claim that Rev. Babuji come in their dream”

Rev. Babuji : Mukt atmaiyen kabhi khwabon mein nahi aatin. Jab Kabhi aisi hastiyan kuch chuninda logon ko rahnumai karna chahti hain to dil mein prerana deiti hain aur us ko anjam deney key liye halat paida karti hain
(Liberated souls never appear in dreams. Whenever such personalities wish to guide selected people, they provide inspirations in their heart and create circumstances for implementation).

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Sharad : “ Means, persons appearing in dreams are not liberated”

Rev. Babuji : Jara see deir key baad boley “han”
(After a little pause, said “Yes”)

In our opinion, people should bring this important and little known clarification to the knowledge of others to save them from unfounded gossips.

Delhi/Shahjahanpur
11th March 2013 Amen
www.societyforbabujismission.org.in



Exerpt from Part 38: 

"Those claiming as having seen Rev. Babuji Maharaj in dreams and telling others, are actually misleading them and are propagating to prove how close they were with Him and still continue to be so."

Shahjahanpur/Delhi
Date: 14th March 2013
sckishore@gmail.com
www.societyforbabujismission.org.in.

At Sahaj Marg(tm) of Chari, Donations Buy Privilege!!

Translation of a comment by researcher, Alexis, on Élodie's blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg

See here:

http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=20689467&postID=7563240357640853934


Alexis said ...

     After donating more than 10 million U.S. dollars to the SRCM and SMSF between 1999 and 2010 via his Lachimi Foundation, Madhava Reddy made ​​a new donation of $ 1.85 million in 2011. (See FCRA (Foreign Contributions Regulatory Act) of Indian Government with link to donors and donations.)
 
     The main overseas donor, Reddy, an Indo-American,  president and founder of the start-up HTC Global Services, (which is SRCM's Management Group)  is not ready to be dethroned and deserves his second home inside the Babuji Memorial Ashram as granted by Chari.

     The abolition of privileges is not for tomorrow in the real world as in the spiritual way of the SRCM (California-1997) of Chari! Especially when privileges are bought at such an expensive price ...
 
     Bill Gates (see below for exerpt of Chari's "moral degradation" speech) knows what he has to do if he wants to put an end to the criticism of Chari; he (Bill Gates)  may even win the right to open a house for AIDS patients at the BMA (Babuji Memorial Ashram)  sponsored by Chari! 

But we all know, that Chari does not like money nor is he above what it brings and gives ...

     Sunday, March 17, 2013

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See also: 

Sahaj Marg(tm), Moral Degradation, and the UNDPI  
Let's Talk Money
Spiritualist Chari, (bad-mouther of Religion) and The enemy of Spirituality 

Sahaj Marg, India and the Indians

Translation of an article by Alexis: "Sahaj Marg, Inde et Indiens" on Élodie's blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg.

March 11, 2013

Sahaj Marg, India and the Indians

Alexis text:

Diaspora: Overseas Indians

What is the seductive power of the SRCM outside the public of Indian origin?

India has 93% of the supporters of Sahaj Marg, 82% of its contributors, 68% of the regular churchgoers and 55% of the preceptors.

 

On the financial side, India has 67% of the turnover of the SRCM of Chari, 62% of the assets, excluding real estate, but it has also the majority of the real estate.

 

India has about a thousand centers versus 102 meditation centers overseas, it also has 140-200 ashrams versus 17 overseas missions, and it still has two training centers (CREST), two retreat centers, a school (LMOIS) and the global headquarters of the Mission (BMA).

What then remains of the Mission abroad? Not much!

 

Europe and North America especially in the U.S., a little in the Middle East and the Malay Peninsula, the horn of South African with Madagascar and Mauritius, and  three times nothing in Oceania

 

Six countries of the Indian diaspora had more than one million citizens of Indian origin in 2002: Burma, the USA, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, the United Kingdom and South Africa.

 

Two thirds of the global Indian diaspora is concentrated in the following areas: 5,000,000 in Peninsular Malaysia, 3 to 4 million in the Middle East, 2 million in the horn of South African, almost as many in the U.S., and more than one million in the United Kingdom.

 

Strange parallelism between numbers of overseas Indian diaspora and the SRCM ...

Let's dig a little more, shall we?:

Historically, in the late 60s and early 70s, when the Shri Ram Chandra Mission overflowed its borders and spread beyond India, it has flourished mainly in the Malay Peninsula and the Horn of South Africa, the regions of ancient Indian settlement with the first wave of emigration of the 19th century: the recruitment of cheap labor following the abolition of slavery in the British Empire 1833-1834.

 

The second wave of migration occurred much later, after the independence, in the second half of the 20th century. It involved more qualified Indians heading for developed countries, it is the generation of Chari, who was exiled for some time in the former Yugoslavia.  The third wave began in the mid-70s, with the shock and the boom of the oil industry, to Gulf countries seeking unskilled temporary workers. The fourth and final wave began in the 90s with globalization, the opening up of the Indian economy and the potential of destination markets.

It is therefore no coincidence that Sahaj marg proliferates first in Malaysia, Mauritius or South Africa. The ashram of Lenasia is one of the oldest ashrams abroad, for example. Dubai, and in the other Gulf countries, (Sahaj Marg) proliferates much later ...

 

Babuji and Chari make their first trip to the United States in 1972. In the mid 80s, Chari complains that the number of abhyasis has not progressed. In 2003, he requests that the Indo-Americans make a little room for Native Americans in the Mission ...

 

Between the two, the Indo-American population consists of the fourth wave of emigration: the USA has 800,000 citizens of Indian origins in 1990, 1,700,000 in 2000 and 2,300,000 in 2005! Meanwhile, SRCM is growing: in 1995, already 50% of the preceptors are of Indian origin. In 2007, two-thirds of new preceptors are also. And Chari is rightly concerned about the fate of the Native Americans ...

 

In the top 50 of the largest overseas donors to the Shri Ram Chandra Mission in India, 34 are of Indian origin, specifically 31 are Indo-American. The first three of them contributed more than half of the donations.

 

Most are at the head of start-ups in the computer hardware or software, or in the production of generic drugs. The Patels of Gujarat hold nearly half of the American (hotels, motels, etc. ) hospitality industry.

 

We thus find all the new Indian middle class, on average more qualified, more industrious and better paid than the Native Americans, but also a generation of expatriates, uprooted and torn between their origins and modernity.

The vast majority of the world abhyasis are Indian or of Indian origin. It seems that it is not a coincidence that the SRCM grows mainly in the areas of Indian immigration, it is all but impossible to really grow elsewhere.

 

Chari was the first man of the diaspora of Sahaj marg! It is not a coincidence that his successor, Kamlesh Patel, is Indo-American ...

But I hear you grumble. And Europe then? He forgets Europe! He says anything ...

 

Yes, Europe is the exception. Only England is a place of strong immigration from India, other countries have a smaller Indian population, yet the Mission has developed there.

 

Certainly, this is true for France and Denmark, just as in Switzerland and Germany, but that's about it. Elsewhere, the numbers are much reduced and/or progress very little or they even stagnate or regress ...

In brief, apart from a handful of  "illuminated", Sahaj Marg never conquered any population but the Indians ... and at the height of paradox, the French and Danes.

 

Their power of seduction - that of SRCM, Sahaj Marg and / or Chari - is confined to the Indians, it is also pretty pathetic. But Chari has managed to seduce the (some) Danes and the (some)  French ...

Alexis 

See Also:

Let's talk Money
SRCM in the World (2012 Numbers) 

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Comments to Two of Chari's Speech! (Sahaj Marg(tm)

Taken from an article: "Extraits Commentés de Deux Discours de Chari", by Elodie's on her blog: "Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg" .

March 2, 2013

Comments to Two of Chari's Speeches (Feb. 2, 2013) 

Perceiving the Essence of the Whispers 

Celebration of the 140th Birth Anniversary of Lalaji Maharaj (2/02/2013)

“We have been receiving many messages from my Master over the past five or six months. (...)

The messages of my Master are very curt and quite brief. Those of you who have been reading the four volumes that we have already published, containing Whispers, know that some of them are as brief as two or three lines, and one wonders in what language he spoke to the person who received the message. Because, if we have the ability to receive the messages direct, it is an astonishing fact that each one of you will receive the message in your own language (...).

When you speak in a language which is no-language, in a voice that is not heard but perceived in the heart – if you are able to receive this, you are quite on the way to spiritual life leading to spiritual transformation, to the highest extents that are open to human beings. In other words, a message is a transmission.


4d-don Comment: Oh! My GOD!!  "a no-language", and  messages which no one understands but is received in the emotional heart??  BEWARE of BRAINWASHING!!  Sahaj Marg(tm) abhyasis are being made "dense",  by imagining "light" in meditation, as if LIGHT was GOD, but which in REALITY is simply equivalent to matter, according to Einstein's E=mc2. 

Now we apparently all "transmit" to one another as we send a "message" ...  So much for the "uniqueness" of  Sahaj Marg(tm)'s TRANSMISSION !!   Stay in your own family and your own culture and simply BE !!   ONE is not only LIGHT.   ONE is  Everything, Everywhere, and Everywhen!! 



 Babuji's transmission of "whispers" messages to Chari, although being so short, and yet they can not work without the medium.  Chari claims to transmit Babuji's divine energy to the abhyasis during meditation, but he is unable to receive these messages directly from Babuji, he does not perceive in his heart the spiritual voice of Babuji.

Would  the language of the heart be incomprehensible to Chari, the man of business language and power?  Has the medium gone further than Chari on the path toward spiritual life?

(...)  For instance, there was this business of the Mayan Calendar: the world is going to end on a particular day just because a calendar stopped somewhere in an ancient culture thousands of years old. I have been receiving letters from abhyasis – good abhyasis – asking how much water they should store, how much food they should buy and store, how they should prepare themselves for the calamity. (...)

Some good abhyasis have believed in the Mayan prophecy to the point of asking Chari what amounts of food and water they had to buy and store; how they should prepare for the impending disaster.

We can only conclude that the abhyasis are not any smarter than the rest, we can but wonder at the reasons that led them to call Chari about this: would whispers not have made them ultra-sensitive to disasters and to the end of the world?
  

It would be most interesting to know Chari's answer: a very great silence, for example?

We have to protect our heart from both the ravages of the physical world and from the world of the senses, much more. And today we have to insulate ourselves from what we now know to be lies given to us by religion. It doesn't matter what religion – any religion. Because, though they may have appeared profound when they were created, and though the creator of the religion was a pure man with pure intentions, a pure teaching, it passed through the soiled hands of a priesthood, and the result is corruption at the deepest level – the spiritual level. Therefore, our Babuji Maharaj has always said, in spirituality we don't destroy religion, we transcend religion. We don't cease to have an affair with the heart, but it is now turned towards a true lover. Who is your lover? My lover is the Divine. (...) 

There is only one relationship and that is with him [Master] and through him with the Divine.

Once more, Chari goes after religion.  As pure as its creator and its teaching once were, they (religions) have been plagued by the corruption of their successors and the hierarchy they put in place. Obviously, spirituality transcends religion and avoids this pitfall, but succumbs when the guru gives his place to his successor.

Chari said he has only a relationship with the Master and with the Divine through him, his lover is the Divine.

Common sense knows well that a true lover's relationship has only two partners: it is better then to avoid loving the Divine through a Master,  and to love IT directly.  Samskara or simply common sense?

 

So it is a strange fact that these messages, the whispers from above, what I have called as whispers from the brighter world, can be understood by anybody who has the ability to receive it direct in his heart, because then no language is necessary. The person who receives the message cannot tell you how it was received. It was not audible. It was not sense-ible. Then what? Such a person can only say, "I perceived it and wrote it down in my own language because that is the only language I can receive it in." (...)

The Whispers from the Brighter World are allegedly not in any language because they are received in the heart.  At least this is the case with the medium who expresses them in French to then translate them to  English for a Chari who did not understand them previously. (in French)

 

Babuji Maharaj, in one of his recent messages, says that the development of the people in the Mission is important because not only will it affect the people of this world, but it will have its effect on other worlds, too. Imagine! Silly fools like us – irreverent, sinful; we come here, and what do we find? That the simple act of sitting in obedience to him, meditating, affects not only this world, the whole world, but other worlds, too. (...) 

So this meditation has importance which you cannot imagine, because in one of his books Babuji says, "This world, among all the created worlds, is the most important because it has direct connection to the Centre" – nowhere else. In all the other worlds, whatever they may be, however intellectual, however powerful, however advanced (in the terms that we people understand advancement – may be more inventions, more manufacture, things like that) they are all not connected directly to the Centre but through something else. This world has the good fortune to be connected directly to the Centre. (...)”

The abhyasis of Sahaj Marg must play an important role in the future of humanity, but Chari teaches us that in addition to saving this world, our world, they save all of the other worlds. Imagine! Are they not wonderful?

This time it is our beloved planet Earth which is better connected to the Centre than all the other worlds combined.  Shri Ram Chandra Mission still holds the best seats in the house (theatre?),  is it not surprising?

Always Be Loving

Address on Basant Panchami, 15 February 2013, Manapakkam, Chennai

“(...) Ego is the most troublesome and almost impossible barrier to overcome on our spiritual path. 

The Whispers, which are coming now for the last four or five months every day, give us not only the wisdom of the great Masters above [clap of thunder], but also shows the sense of urgency that they feel for us. Again and again the message says: Human life is an uncertain thing. Don’t waste your time in flippant activities seeking pleasure, comfort. Spend every moment of it in the spiritual way – not by sitting in meditation for twenty-four hours, but in constant remembrance. 

(...) Worse than this physical, shall I say, intoxication with the pleasures of life, is the ego, because the ego rules us. It is the ego which makes a man assert and be assertive. 

(...) Please read Whispers carefully. Many people know, even Babuji Maharaj repeats, that good things must be repeated again and again, because we tend to forget. (...)” 

The whispers are allegedly short and repetitive messages transmitted by Babuji to tell us how human life is an uncertain thing.  Let us not waste our very precious time on our ego, it is urgent to focus on the spiritual life.

Better to give up on our individuality than to a spirituality of spiritualist origin, they say. To each his/her priorities.

Chari

Comments by Elodie
Comment by 4d-Don

Wealth or Poverty? Opulence or Simple Life at Sahaj Marg(tm) and SRCM (California-1997) ?

This article appeared on the site: Society for Babuji's Mission, (Spotlight or Latest Events)  which is the site owned and managed by Sharad Chandra (Babuji's Grandson) and Shubh Chintak Kishore.

(see also other interesting articles about Babuji, Chari and his schism, the "SRCM" (same name) registered in San Luis Obispo, California in 1997, after he was sacked as Secretary of the Mission (1982) by Babuji.  Upon Babuji's death in 1983, Chari was denied the Presidency of Babuji's Mission, by the Board of Directors appointed by Babuji.  Babuji's original Mission is still  registered in Shahjahanpur, India in 1945.)  

According to Sharad Chandra, Babuji's grandson:

* Was Lalaji, a Sufi Master of the Naqshbandiyya Sufi Order,  Babuji's Master?  (see here) 
* Was Babuji a re-incarnation of Patanjali (founder of Raja Yoga)?  (see here) 
* Does the practice of  the real Sahaj Marg (not Sahaj Marg (tm))  make one "clever and cunning"  or  "intelligent and wise"?  (see here)
* Use of "charity" money for renovations of private property (homes)?  (see part 24  here) 

* See India Post Interview Jan. 31, 2013.
* Chari Exposed (over and over) ... See articles for Feb, 2013 (from article # 15 - ??)


Posted On 18/2/2013 at 7:20
 

Haqeeqat Benakaab (Reality without covering)..
 
Simplicity of Rev. Babuji Maharaj was considered as financial poverty (Part 27)
Shubh Chintak Kishore & Sharad Chandra 

To most of his members of SRCM, Chari has tried to wrongly paint Rev. Babuji’s image as of a financially poor person. This is contrary to facts. In His Autobiography Part one He told all about Himself and His family eg. He used to go to school on His own horse, it was Royal young persons mode of transport. His large mansion like house, engagement of some servants in His house etc.,
etc.,

The reality is that His ways were simple. He wanted to present Himself as a simple, living person in line with His teachings. He was of the view that “Be plain and simple to be identical with nature”. He did not do what He did not say. “ He did what He said”. As a Founder of the system, He was convinced and equally conscious that His desired message will reach common person only if He presented Himself as a person true to His words and was simple like nature.

Unfortunately, Parthasarthi presented himself just the reverse, He talks of simplicity while sitting in a luxuries cottage fully equipped with all modern amenities. It will be seen that Rev. Babuji could afford those luxuries of His own but did not go in for them. But, Chari could not afford them, but after having managed the Presidentship of the Mission, he could buy those luxuries at the expenses of the Mission’s fund or funds received in Mission’s Rev Babuji’s name. Rev. Babuji talked of simplicity not from the air conditioned chamber, but from the place where He would be sitting even in the hot weather under a fan. Chari ’s talks, actions and living style are not matching and they give wrong signals to sensitive persons. The innocent members of Chari , one could even call them slaves, may say he needs all these luxuries because he is old. Our reply to them is that he is old now, but Rev. Babuji used to be much older than him even before he was sacked from the post of Mission ’s Secretaryship in 1982 and even then His living style was very simple.

People may compare the truth with untruth. He could afford luxuries from His personal money, and yet He rejected them and Parthsarthi could not afford them and yet he is enjoying all the luxuries on poor men’s donation money received in Rev. Babuji’s and Mission ’s names after he got seated himself in the President’s chair.

We suggest Parthasarthi’s innocent slave members that they better read his own written book ‘May Master’ in which he honestly talked about his inner fear to meet such a great personality in a simple form but who was financially very rich,as it appeared to him. Then compare and believe what he talks now.

Thanks

Date; 14th feb 2013

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According to Chari of Sahaj Marg(tm), "Beings Are Guiding Destiny"

Taken and Translated from a comment by Alexis on Elodie's blog in Europe: "Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg"


4d-Don's Comments: It seems that, according to Chari, the Masters of Sahaj Marg (Chari and Babuji) are all-powerful and God has very limited power and needs "Beings" to guide Destiny.    

According to Chari, the other self-appointed Master of Sahaj Marg(tm) (trade marked for trade and commerce), the Creator of ALL the UNIVERSE, which includes MIND, does not have a "mind" of his (male) own.  And these "Beings" (who guide Destiny)  need Babuji (and of course, Chari) on earth to continue to guide the destiny of  the "chosen" elite, the abhyasis.  

What a "MYTH"!!  And how did Chari get this "knowledge"??  From Babuji??  NOT ...  From a MEDIUM  (an anonymous French Lady Medium) who channels Babuji, Chari's mother and wife and many more "BEINGS" and elevated souls ...  

At SRCM (California-1997) and at Sahaj Marg (tm),

THE ANONYMOUS MEDIUM IS THE GURU!!  

Are they in for a big surprise when they finally reach REALITY ??

Where does God retire when his job is done??  Outside the Universe??  If not "outside" then is he simply pushed around by suns and planets (and Beings)  as "gross" material with no "energy" or power??  Can God now play and have fun, like the children of his CREATION??  Can God watch Hollywood movies like his alleged "Masters" who guide the destiny of humans...just for "FUN"??

Is God  a "Pensionner" ??  Everyday is a Holiday (holy day) !!



Some "Beings" Guide our Destiny

From Chari to Ichak Adizes in Decembre, 2012 :


“I trust my master, Babuji Maharaj and not God as according to Sahaj Marg, God has no mind and he created the universe and his role is done with that creation. The beings who are guiding the destiny cannot work by themselves but they need a medium on earth, like a master, through whom they work.”

Clearly, Chari said that he has more confidence in his Master, Babuji, than in God. Because, he claims, that the role of God is now ended: He created the world, but He has no mind.

It is now the turn of the "Beings" who guide "Destiny" and these need a medium to do the work in their place, such as the Master on earth.

In brief, after God, the time has now arrived for "Beings who guide Destiny", and their spiritualist Medium, Chari (or Babuji??).

Sunday, February 17, 2013

Has the Cult of Kasturi Begun?

Translation of an article by Alexis: "Le Culte de Kasturi, a-t-il Commencé", on Élodie's blog in Europe: "Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg".

February 11, 2013

Has the cult of Kasturi Begun?

Alexis unveils the efforts of some supporters of Kasturi to keep her memory alive since her death.   But are they more simply creating a cult to her memory as they imagine her, or is it not simply the desire to preserve for posterity her spiritual experience and her wisdom?

Kasturi, a Saintly Illuminated?

Sister Kasturi died February 22, 2012. Two months later, her supporters inaugurated the website www.saintkasturi.org  (29 April 2012).  On October 7th, they celebrated the 86 ^th anniversary of her birth. The organization called Divine Shri Babuji Maharaj - Saint Kasturi Memorial Trust is going at full throttle: "Just as Babuji Maharaj was a living example of his master, Lalaji Maharaj, Sister Kasturi was a monument to the memory of Babuji."

 

The cult of Kasturi is taking place despite what Denise Mincet says about it. (that during her lifetime, Kasturi did not want her birthday celebrated on a large scale ... because only Babuji is acting,  and she was drowned in His love!). The cult is rapidly implemented, ...very rapidly, even! Too rapidly? Everyone will make up their own mind ...

Kasturi Chaturvedi was born September 26, 1926 at Lakhimpur (Kheri District, Uttar Pradesh). The third child of Ram Das Chaturvedi (a lawyer) and Bhagavati Devi, who had five daughters and two sons together. Her uncle, ML Chaturvedi, was a judge at the High Court of Allahabad. Her father died in 1965, her mother in 1978.

 

Kasturi lived in Lakhimpur until 1960, then with her older brother in Bareilly until 1965, and with her other brother in Modinagar until 1975, and then at Lucknow until the end of her life. In 1982, the family bought a house in Lucknow where Kasturi lived with her younger sister (Kesar), her younger brother (GD Chaturvedi) and his family, until February 22, 2012, where she died.

 

His first contact with Babuji was on January 3, 1948, when he comes to her home. Her spiritual journey begins immediately under the direction of Babuji.  He gives her the spiritual condition of a Saint on October 27, 1953, he appoints her preceptor on November 7, 1953. On August 29, 1955, Babuji wrote to her: "You are dissolved in me, you are no longer Kasturi to whom your parents gave birth.".  September 15, 1964, he wrote: "You have reached the Divine condition." Kasturi enters the Central Region on September 15, 1967, she enters the condition of Bliss on June 28, 1968. May 2, 1975, she wrote: "It seems to me that someone made me across the infinite ocean (Anant Sagar)."

Kasturi came to France in 1977 at the request of Babuji. He considered her his spiritual daughter. She was an example - proof, concrete evidence - that Babuji could lead a human being to the Ultimate in a fraction of life. Babuji asked her to keep their letters for posterity, because it is a very accurate description of the various stages of the spiritual journey of Kasturi to the Ultimate.

 

Feel free to browse this correspondence which consists of 900 letters between 1948 and 1975, especially from Kasturi. Denise Mincet, a French-Canadian, has already translated three volumes in French of the 5, which includes: Anant Yatra (Journey to Infinity). Many other texts are also available in English on the website.

No offense to Elodie, Kasturi believes that Babuji is the special personality, come down to earth at the request of nature, to evolve mankind. It is not very far from the absurdities of Whispers ...

No offense to Michael, but their correspondence is the perfect demonstration that the Spiritual Journey is all mapped out with a single (unique?) path one must climb step by step. There therefore indeed exists a spiritual Hierarchy of the saints according to the level they have reached. Provided one  believes all this stuff, of course ...

 

We will note, however, the change in the number of letters from Babuji to Kasturi, and in their content over time. The letters are numerous and  many focus on the spiritual evolution of Kasturi in the 50s, then they are more scarce and deal more and more with materialistic aspects (organization, ownership, etc..).   Especially in the 70s.  Chari's Influence?

 

Who was he? "Who was He?"  Another book by Kasturi presents a Christ-like Babuji revealed by Lalaji (John the Baptist?), the adi guru (the one who knows the divine technique for bringing down to earth the Ultimate form of incarnation). Babuji, the earthly incarnation of the Ultimate!   Like Jesus Christ, the son of God, and the incarnation of the Holy Trinity ...

So Kasturi, a Saint, blinded by love?  A Joan of Arc for the modern times? A Saintly Illuminated?

In any case, the Enlightened one already  has her aficionados ...

Alexis

Links :
 

- Dossier on Kasturi (French) 

- Debate on Kasturi and Varadachari vs Chari

- Official Website: SaintKasturi.org

- The blog Ek abhyasi: LalajiBabujiKasturi

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Comments to Chari's New Year Message (2013)

Comments to exerpts from Chari's New Year's Speech (2013):
http://www.sahajmarg.org/literature/online/speeches/chennai-01012013


Comments by 4d-don are in "red italics" 



The Effects of Prejudice and Self-Judgement on our Spiritual Life
January 1, 2013, Chennai, India


Dear Brothers and Sisters,

We have been wishing everybody – saying, “Happy New Year.” That is a convention which has been going on for years. Of course we want a happy new year. Happiness has been the goal of human beings without understanding what happiness really means. Many years ago, I saw a movie called The Sound of Music, and a young lady in that movie tells us what makes her happy – so many things. “These are some of my favourite things” – that wonderful song – which clearly indicates that most human beings believe that their happiness is tied to external objects. “If I get a new dress I will be happy,” “If I get a job I will be happy,” and so on and so forth.

Chari watches and believes a lot of "fiction" and fantasy movies (Dan Brown, Isaac Asimov, etc...) and now, "the Sound of Music".   He even buys them (with donated money ... thus Sahaj Marg is supporting the pleasure-addicting Hollywood "fiction" industry, and he even puts them in the CREST libraries.  He saw this Hollywood movie and another one, "Demons and Angels" (and Da Vinci Code)  written by fiction (i.e. not REALITY)  writer Dan Brown (see below) ... Did he watch the film to be "happy" or to "evolve"?  Is that evolution brought about by a "fantasy" from Guru Dan Brown??  I guess if the movie is "beautiful" (emotional??)  and if Chari believes it to be REAL,  then it must be TRUE!!  OK!!   Another truth from the "Brighter World" ... or the Central Region!!  There's a new one (sucker) born every minute!! 

PS...  Dan Brown is a FICTION writer!!!  FICTION is "not REAL!!  What's next: The Bible according to "Hollywood"??   

I said that we don’t understand what we are really saying because happiness is not the real goal of human life. The goal of human life is evolution – evolution through this life into a higher life, always. That is law, progress.  How SPIRITUALIST and MATERIALIST! .... The goal of life or "the LAW" is not progress.  Nature does not care about the progress of  MAN!!  Progress does not mean "better" or "improvement".  Is SPIRITUALITY not about BEING ?... not "becoming"? ... not DOING!!    If you are in school you go up level by level, level by level; you graduate; you go to college. You move up as your knowledge improves, your understanding improves, until you finally evolve out of the educational life, where most people think their education ends.  (Education is about KNOWLEDGE, and it is cumulative.  Some spiritualists even believe and teach that Spirituality like "knowledge" ENDS, and that there is a goal to reach, a diploma to receive at "THE END"... but there is no END !!)   Fortunately, for the few individuals who continue to educate themselves in a very real sense through the experiences that they garner in life, education is then understood to be a continuous process, ending only with our transition into the next life.  (There is NO END,  and psst ...  don't tell anyone but there's "no beginning" either !!)

So we must all strive towards an understanding, true understanding, of what evolution means.  (as you strive by watching movies??  Fiction??  Pleasure in the name of duty (evolution)... the hypocrisy!! )  We can evolve only when we use this life, what Babuji calls ‘incarnation’, this incarnation, as a rightful gift (Life is not a "rightful gift", later Chari says: "we deserve"... he makes it up as he goes along... all inventions, all  a MYTH!!) granted to us by our past evolution, where we have evolved up to the stage where we deserve a human life for our further evolution. This human life is not to be wasted in futile efforts like pleasure-seeking, happiness pursuit, even health pursuit, because this incarnation comes as a programmed event in our evolutionary life through which we have necessarily to pass. We have no choice.  (Now we are "programmed"?  But Chari can waste his time watching  a Hollywood fiction, a pleasure-giving movie by the "Great Satan" of Hollywood (The Entertainment Industry),  which attacks yet another religion (Vatican).   And then, he moralizes at others?? )

The messages that we receive every day from Babuji Maharaj emphasise that we have no choice. We have to go through it, suffering whatever happens to us, even to the extent of understanding that happiness is a suffering.  (Yes Chari will now want to watch other "fiction" movies, such as "Isaac Asimov's FOUNDATION series)  Because today’s happiness brings us sorrow tomorrow. Today’s sorrow brings us happiness tomorrow. Everything changes into its [opposite] as we move through this incarnation. Nothing is fixed. What is fixed is the real experience of life that we treasure in our heart – love.  (Some, specially Indian Gurus of the NEW RELIGIONS,  hide materialism and spiritualism behind a RELIGIOUS facade:  I heard this quote on the international news by a group protecting victims of "honour killing" in India,  so it must be TRUE if we use Chari's standards:  "India has become a nation of "love killers".)

Even this morning I received a message from my beloved (anonymous French Lady Medium) Master, where he gives advice against prejudice, which means prejudging, which we have no right to do. No human being has a right to judge another human being. Even in the English language it is said, “Judge not that ye be not judged.”  ( Chari is making it up as he goes along.  SPIRITUALISTS  LIE and invent "facts" as messages from the "spirit of the dead"!!  That quotation above is from the Judaeo-Christian Bible, not from the "English language" ...  It (the Bible)  was "translated" to English  from Aramaic, Greek (Septuagint) and Latin (Vulgate).  

Don't judge others Chari!! Not Bill Gates, not the Pope, and not homosexuals!!  Stop moralizing at others.  Stop pointing the finger at others ...  you simply reveal yourself!! )   There is this great warning to us: If you judge, you will be judged. Of course we understand the common meaning that if I judge you, you will judge me or God will judge me. But I have pondered over this through the years and I have come to the conclusion that when I judge myself, I have condemned myself to my own judgement. This is what makes us feel guilty in a higher sense, sinful, which brings us desperation, sorrow, the futility of what we think to be a wasted life. All this is a result of our own self-judgement.  (But you claim that Sahaj Marg has "no philosophy"... then you think with what, your navel or your BRAIN??)   Let others also think freely and evolve according to Nature's plan, not yours.   And how egotistical to insist they  Obey YOU!!  Your Sahaj Marg(tm) creates Zombies, clones, not HUMANS!!  You destroy families.   It's not what Babuji wanted: a herd of obedient "sheep")

I would suggest that judging others is a very common thing but judging your own self, which we do quite unconsciously… because when I am afraid of something, when I am afraid of my examination, I am judging myself and my preparedness to face that examination. I know that I have not prepared myself, which is, I am judging myself. Then if my result comes out against me after the exams are over, I should not feel disappointed because I have known already in my own judgement, conscious or unconscious, that I have not prepared myself for what I have to do. Therefore, I must accept failure with the cheerfulness and joy with which I would have accepted success. When we are afraid of an interview, we know we are not ready.  

(And why did you not accept that the Board of Directors of the SRCM of Babuji in 1982, did not want you to be the PRESIDENT of SRCM?  They accepted the Nomination Letter of Umesh, signed by Babuji. Umesh is Babuji's son and successor of SRCM (Shahjahanpur-1945).  Instead you re-registered the society as SRCM in San Luis Obispo, California, in 1997).  Are you afraid of failure??  And now you hide the money received as Charity, including the real estate in a Foundation (SMSF) ... making the SRCM a "shell" society.    

Why don't you accept YOUR failure with "CHEERFULNESS"??)

So, fear of external things is something else, but the fear that we feel against events – whatever we have to do (we have to do), is nothing but prejudging my own self. People don’t understand that prejudice can be against one’s own self. Prejudice is not only against others, prejudging others (“He is a fool,” “She is an ass,” and so on and so forth), but we are all the time judging ourselves. Therefore, we are afraid – of events, of situations, of possibilities. So prejudice eventually turns out to be the fear of oneself. “I am never prepared.” “I am not ready.” “How will I face God?”
My son and I were discussing a certain Christian saint who wants to be scourged, who wants to be beaten, who wants to be punished. In Christianity, this is a common feature – lashing yourself, scourging yourself. We saw it in one of those two movies, beautiful movies – Demons and Angels – which is judging yourself. God does not judge.  (And what about your version of Sahaj Marg(tm)!! You are moralizing!! and using a FANTASY, in attempting to prove your bad conclusion ... There are some Christians who mortify themselves as there are some from other religions who see the "flesh" as something to control and to not be controlled by.  Many Indians practice such rituals and probably some you consider your masters ...  You point at others again!!  I (and your three other fingers)  POINT back at YOU!! )

To come back to Master’s (invented by a MEDIUM) message of this morning, Babuji Maharaj says human life is a frail thing. It is full of opportunities, which are missed, which are misused – two things. We miss opportunities, we misuse opportunities, thereby ruining the possibility of our evolution, condemning ourselves in a sense to go back to the same class until we do pass out of it, which we call rebirth, reincarnation.

Babuji Maharaj goes on to say, “I am not moralising.” (But Chari is moralizing)  You see what he says? Is it a sign of humility? Is it a sign of divinity? (humility is not divinity... they are not the same)  The Divine does not judge. (PROVE IT) You have been given an opportunity. In the way you handle it, you judge yourself. When you are passed you have passed yourself. That is why you say, “I have passed.” You don’t say, “The examiners have passed me.” “I have passed.” ( Chari has not passed... He is attached to MATERIAL, POWER and FANTASY)

So, everything that you say and do is subject to the law of judgement by the self, of the self. There is no external judge, not even God judges. Master is very clear: “I do not moralise.”
But Chari "moralises".  (See here two examples of Chari's "prejudices": homosexuality, and Bill Gates and the Pope) 

 Unfortunately, in our society, even our so-called advanced Sahaj Marg society, it is full of prejudices; it is full of lost opportunities; it is full of wasted opportunities – much to the sorrow of the Masters. You know they have emotion.  (Is that why you hide the MATERIAL of your SRCM (California-1997) in a Foundation (SMSF) controlled by businessmen, like YOU?  You are afraid that the "abhyasis" will get access to YOUR society??   EMOTIONS??)   It is like a father who has many children, who gives them every opportunity that he can possibly give and he sees them running wild: one man running wild, one girl running wild, one son studying and coming out very beautifully. He may be happy about the one son who has matured in his spiritual self to avoid wasting opportunities and to use them with the good sense to promote his evolution through this incarnation. He is sorry for the others.  A gardener does not want one rose in his garden. He wants every bush to flower – flowers all over the place.  (Give the "flowers" (the money and power you covet so much) of SRCM (California-1997) to everyone so they can all "flower"... No flower simply OBEYS !!  They also have "pleasure" and "decide" for themselves.   You are addicted to "control"!!  You will lose it also!!  )

So Master says in his (invented)  message: I wish to see you all developing in this life in such a way that this incarnation is fruitful, fulfils its purpose, shows that you have used it well so that you are in the next stage of life, whatever it may be.

So brothers and sisters, it is unfortunate that we remain, shall I say, wasteful, neglectful human beings  (is Chari "judging" ??  moralizing??)  instead of seizing every opportunity. There is no opportunity which is against us. An opportunity is, by a spiritual definition, (lol lol  that is funny)  something which will promote our evolution, even if you think it is against you. Even failure is an opportunity, because as they say in the English language, “Failure is the stepping-stone to success,” provided we use failure properly. We use that failure to help me to resolve that I shall do better; that therefore I shall shut my eyes and ears to the temptations of life, to the temwptations of friendship, to the temptations of events which we think will titillate us and make us happy. My Master never talked of friendship. He said the only friend we have is the Master, because under all circumstances he is working towards our evolution – under all circumstances.  He does not judge. As Babuji Maharaj said, “I do not moralise.”  (YOU DO, Chari!!  Chari must not be a "master" as he is no friend and he judges and moralizes ... over and over again!!  And still he does not see it!!  )

It makes me feel very sad when people point to this person or that person and say, “I don’t want another like him.” It shows very poor judgement of human life. If I am a human being and I have the possibility of evolving out of this life, so has the other person. He may be a criminal, he may be a leper, he may be anything. When Jesus Christ kissed the lepers, did it show prejudice? (Then you should all become "Christians" as Chari does not even accept the "homosexuals" and thinks that Bill Gates and the Pope is "morally degraded"... Most Abhyasis think that we are not even "human beings", unless we are in Sahaj Marg(tm) ... ) (see "Sahaj Marg, An Unmeasure-able Blindness" on this blog)   He was great precisely because he did not differentiate. No good man, no bad man – human being. As a human being he is my brother, under all circumstances; whatever be his history, past and present. If we do not understand this and stand by it and live by it, believe me, we are condemning ourselves to a blighted future, not because God judges us but because we have committed ourselves to that punishment – self-inflicted punishment, by our thoughts, by our words, by our actions.  (By Chari's thoughts, words, etc... so as to gather "numbers" (people, money, power)...)

Now how do we avoid all this? That is why I have given the slogan. Babuji Maharaj said, “Love Him (IT)  who (THAT)  loves all.” That is very easy. We all claim to love Babuji Maharaj. Babuji Maharaj once asked a very potent question. When somebody said, “I love God,” he asked, “Does He (IT) love you?” You know that old beautiful novel where that fellow who is driving a cart, he writes on the cart that he loves her or something like that – David Copperfield. But it is not enough my loving. I must be loved. And I cannot be loved unless I love continuously, effortlessly, endlessly, which means I don’t love persons, peoples, events – I love. And that love goes around the universe and comes back to me and I feel loved.  (Chari thinks and teaches, on the Sahaj Marg(tm) site for the kids, that God is MALE and Nature is FEMALE ... This is not THE Truth ... it is just plain WRONG!!)

So everybody (YOU, Chari) must remember this, from the lowest to the highest. Even a so-called master must remember this, because if he slips a little, he slips. When you are at a height of hundred feet and you hold on to something, if you just let go of it, you fall. Isn’t it? That wonderful, beautiful game that we have, Snakes and Ladders, shows the biggest danger is at ninety-nine. The biggest danger is not in the beginning of life; it is in the end of life. Therefore Babuji Maharaj said that in a spiritual pursuit, in a spiritual way, there can be no satisfaction, because if you are satisfied and sit back, your progress is stopped.  (Get ready for the "snakes", Chari!! Or get rid of the "MATERIAL" willingly!!  NOW! )

So, you see, we are not to be satisfied. You may be satisfied with the ice cream (the fiction movies, the money, the power, the oppulence, etc.. etc...)  that you are eating or your train journey, but never satisfied inside with your spiritual voyage, which must under all circumstances be pushed by longing for more and more. Not avarice for more and more, longing for more and more. Like an engine is pushed by steam pressure, or like your car is moving by your foot on the accelerator, there must be an accelerator in my heart, which is the pressure of love which carries me forward. The pressure of prejudices, hatred – these are my foot on the brake, and my car stops. (You preach for yourself and you point at the rest of your brothers and sisters, we the HUMANS who are not attached to the material and power as much as you are ...  and we don't believe in FICTION movies... we don't believe in "Hollywood" as the "giver of truth".

Sisters and brothers, you have to take this very seriously, because even though we have been receiving a message a day from my Master (Chari's MEDIUM, a French Lady who is anonymous) ever since I fell ill, I do not know how many of you read it. Some of you, I am sure, say, “He says the same thing every day.”  It's like a man who reads history and says, “What is this Napoleon? What is this Hitler? What is this Alexander? Same story. He was born, he fought, he conquered, he died – history.” And if you are satisfied with that understanding of history, you have not learnt the lessons of history.  (All inventions of SPIRITUALISTS who must "become" and who must have a "GOAL" ...  simply BE SPIRITUAL)

So, every page you turn, every line you read, you must read carefully; do not skip through the book, because you will miss. What do you miss? You miss whatever there may be which can help you in your evolution.  (Somewhere along the line, you must have skipped a page or two... You are still hiding the SRCM material in a foundation managed by pharmaceutical, blue-jeans, and hotel and restaurant developers, IT services, etc... all businessmen because you are afraid that Babuji's family will come and take it all away ... along with your legacy: your false and un-true "HISTORY") Similarly, in life we don’t skip over the events. I know people who go to the seaside [and say], “Same water, same breeze”, or who go to the Grand Canyon and say, “Same story: a river, a gorge.” They watch a lovely sunset, but for them it's not a lovely sunset. “The same old sun setting always in the west. What is so wonderful about it?”

We must have eyes like those of a child, innocent, looking at everything every time with a new understanding, with a new vision, adoring the Creator who is able to play so many scenarios with His sunsets and with His sunrises, each different from the other. It is a very good truism to say that no two leaves are alike among all the billions of leaves in this world. Similarly, no two humans are alike. So how can you judge?  (How can YOU??) If they are all alike, you can judge. When there is no alikeness, you lack knowledge to judge, you lack understanding to judge. Every baby is different, every finger is different. Isn’t it?  (If we are all "unique" what makes you (or Babuji)  "SPECIAL"?  Don't you understand about ONE and ALL!!  The freedom which you refuse to WOMEN (or to homosexuals)   to be Masters, shows that you are "prejudiced" !!   Do you only allow cheaters and thieves to be Masters ??  NO SEX we're Spiritual??  What about the Killer of one's innocent mother who blindly obeys his guru, and cuts off the head of his/her mother?  This, simply to "Obey" and "surrender"  to the orders of his rhetorically megalomaniacal GURU??  (see here)

The Western logic of codifying everything, classifying everything, is the big mistake into which we have also fallen here in the Orient. “Human beings are human beings.” “Women are women. They are all the same.” (They (women) are "unique" enough to be capable of  BEING  MASTERS, although you in SRCM do not allow Women to be Masters) It is a common statement by all men. “Women are women everywhere; so are men.” Not at all. Every human life is a unique human life, if you but seek to probe and understand what makes it unique – not to show differences, but to show the uniqueness of each and every human life.

If you (YOU) are not able to do this you must pray that you are bestowed this understanding, and then only you will pass through life seeing the uniqueness of everything, the beauty of everything, the transparency of everything. And then you (YOU) will stop judging yourself because you yourself are unique in every way. And therefore, there is no common law for abhyasis. There is no one judgement for all of them. Each one has his own unique judgement of himself or herself. Please try to understand that prejudice is ultimately prejudging your own self, which you use to (so-called) judge others, which is but a reflection of what you are, projected on others. (Do you get it now??)  Give the money and the properties you usurped so the "seasons of giving might be yours and not your inheriters". (Kahlil Gibran ... the Prophet)

So we are in this new year. I hope you will use Babuji’s (Chari's MEDIUM's and Chari, claiming to be Babuji and inventing his whispers...)  messages wisely. Read them again and again (brain-washing!! so you may then "Obey")   – his messages, repeat what Babuji says that these messages will last into the future, where they will be respected, where it will benefit. It is almost as if he says the present-day humans will not benefit from this, because they will not understand. Why? Because they will not read. Why? Because they think, “The same old Master, the same old message. Do this, do that.”  (If you want to read Babuji's messages, read them from Babuji, not from Whispers which comes from an anonymous French Lady Medium, who is serving Chari)

The sameness of things are betraying us.  (that is what is hidden from false Masters ... The ONE-ness of ALL is what some "gurus" can't see, so they create an "elite" of their friends who are the only one who can LEAD the masses who must Obey)   When we think everything is same or similar, we are leading ourselves into betraying ourselves. With love we can see how everything is different – even amoebas under the microscopes, even planets, even stars. There are no two stars which are alike. They may be alike in the sense of the Western knowledge, astronomy, that they have mass, they have colour, they have gas, et cetera, et cetera. It is like a chemist who has gone through a chemistry course, and he is being interviewed, “What is the difference between hydrogen and oxygen?” If he says, “No difference; both are gases,” he wouldn’t get the job. “What is the difference between vegetable oils and mineral oils?” “Nothing, because they are both oils.” (Wrong: one gas is explosive, and one is not.  Likewise, one oil is vegetable and one is mineral... they are not the same, but they appear to be "similar" ...  they only appear the same to those who want to see them "shallowly", in "general terms",  for reasons of their own, serving their own current prejudices and pleasures !!  )

So the sameness betrays us into a lack of understanding, the lack of ability to understand, and shows in us a lack of desire to understand. That again is prejudice.  (The differences betrays you, and you think that your "elite" will confirm you prejudices (towards homosexuals, etc...) and they will for a while and then, they will change and become like us... ONE!!  A family made of ALL!! Even YOU!! )

So on this happy occasion of the New Year, I pray for you all. Please read Babuji’s (The anonymous Spiritualist's French Lady Medium's and Chari's )  messages carefully, where again and again there is insistence in, what I say is, obedience. If you obey, you don’t need anything else. Obedience of a human nature is something in which you have surrendered the need to understand, surrendered to everything, to the higher power (Chari? Light? which is also matter, and not ONE and ALL) . Therefore, it (HE?) now acts through me, and it is always a step in the right direction leading to my evolution.   

The Babuji who was once living until 1982, wanted you to understand and to be like LIONS,  not like "some" sheep who simply OBEY and follow the leader, even if the leader is a materialist, spiritualist, businessman, who would lead his followers "over the cliff" of materiality and spiritualism!!

So thank you and Happy New Year again.

Imagine there's no RELIGION!!   Do Not OBEY!! 

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