Hi All...
This is a short excerpt of an exchange taken from ORKUT Community "Freedom From SRCM (Sahaj Marg" at this URL:
http://www.orkut.com/Main#CommMsgs?cmm=24873318&tid=5441077729852847443&na=2&nst=26
( I have not changed any of the content. I have simply added spaces and paragraphs to make it easier to read)
4d-Don...
Maulik Said: (Mar 25, 2010)
I have read some of the future prediction of the French lady in the first couple of scrapes. It seems that in SRCM every fool have his own paradise and Chariji and the french lady are the one who became sucessfull in proving the exesistance of their paradise......ha ha ha
Maulik Said: (Mar 25, 2010)
The prophesies by this lady and chariji is all bulshit...........it is called halusination............everybody in srcm are going to have psychic disorder.
Rajan Said:
Hi, Maulik,
The prophesies by this lady and chariji is all bulshit...........it is called halusination............everybody in srcm are going to have psychic disorder.
You are perfectly correct in your above statement. The aspirant in SRCM who practices sincerely and seriously sooner or later he will fall prey to physiological problems. I myself faced such a problem for a period of time and got over later on. The reason for that is if a person who has a lot of Samskaras or past impression and when start practicing meditation , slowly his past impressions will come out one by one resulting in any ugly shape ,may be physically or mentally. When the right-guide start cleaning the Samskaras of an abyasi naturally his previous impression will come out from his system and the abyasi during that time has to under go Bhog period that causes physical decease or mental decease.
Also if the abyasi is not regular in his practice according to the guide's guidance, definitely the abyasi will involve under mental disorder and complete ignorance. . It is better not to do meditation in SRCM than to do irregularly.
Except Babuji Maharaj no body has the capacity to transmit the Pranahuti or Divine transmission to an abyasi because he is the inventor of such divine power. Then you may ask what other personalities like Chariji or any other in this mission doing. The answer is simple, that is , they are transmitting their own Ego to the abyasis.
Even I do not know why Babuji Maharaj had chosen such ignoble persons to lead the mission and the method. Mysterious are the ways of nature.
Thank you......Rajan
Maulik Said:
@ Rajan
Thanks for your coments Rajanbhai, I am agree with you that one has to continue his/her meditation or whatever he is doing rather than doing it irregularly. It is true for Pranayams and other kind of meditations as well. But I am not agree with the opinion that we need right master / guide to remove our past impressions. I am doing breathing exercises and I never needed any master. Only expert teacher are helping me and that is also when I need them. I am cleaning my own samskaras / negativities by my own self.
Neverthless if a siddh guru / master is present (living) then the journey becomes very interesting. If Babuji were the right master then also the things remain unchanged because to transmit the energy guru MUST be living with human body. Babuji has gone and Chariji and french lady and many more are left. That is what we have here on the name of guru / master. So it is better to leave SRCM and this practice and switch over to pranayam and other meditative ways.
I also faced a lot of problems which I can not understand. But with the help of breathing exercises I came out of the miseries. And I never needed any master or guru to come out of this dilemma. I am quite happy today that again I can do Idol worship, puja, mantras, bhakti anything my heart tells me to do. It is bloody Chariji who set my mind frame to either select bhakti / religion / other meditations or F***ing customised / dependent so called SRCM meditation. And that is why I could not do any mantras or other things properly.
Our religion like othe religions is the most famous and scientific religion in the world. We have meditations, yogasans, pranayam, mantra, occult, tantra, bhakti yog, Gyan yog, Dhyaan yog.....everything is there. One is absolutely FREE to do whatever he/she likes. It is not the work of 1 or 2 or 3 sains or gurus.
IT IS THE HERITAGE GIVEN TO US BY A LOT OF GURUS, SAINTS AND YOGIES. And who the F*** Chariji is to critise whole religion(s) just on the basis of idol worship and rituals related to it. He talks as if he has done / followed and understood every kind of meditations/religious practices. He standerdize the truth felt (or devised) by him and forced other to believe the same. He thought that what he felf was the only truth. What others are facing is bullshit!!!!! This is what stops one's progress in spirituality. It is a common low in this world that the truth for me may not be the same as Shaswat or Cyril. Same way it is true for Shaswat and Cyril as well.
Now I can not standerdize the truth felt by me (that pranayam is the only way of liberation) abnd force Cyril and Shaswat to believe the same. For Shaswat his truth may be in love of his family. For Cyril his truth may be in Jesus christ.
And what Chriji did was forcing the people by giving them no options other than SRCM meditation. Atleast he should not have claimed himself as guru and have letted the people follow their own believes / practices along with srcm meditation. But he spoilt everything.
One more thing I noticed in Chariji's satsang which reflacted Chariji's ego. He claims himself as "the President" of SRCM./ He declared the same status for his next disciple Ajay Bhattar. It seems that Chariji is hungry for fame and power like Chief minister or president. But he could not achieve it in society by participating in elections etc. But rather he tried a different way. He choose spirituality and started doing his dirty work. How sad......he put thounds of people's lives in to miseries. He misguided innocent and loveworthy people and disruppted a lot of families.
Rajan Said:
Brother Maulik,
Your message is very interesting. You said a lot about Mr.Chari as an abyasi. But as a child -hood friend I want to tell you something :
During my Boy-hood I used to go to Chariji's house at Chennai twice in a month and spend my spiritual time with his family members. It was so nice to have his company and his family. I was loved by their family members. His father was my best well-wisher. Chariji wrote a book called "My Master" and that was praised by all the members of Shahaj Marg including Babuji Maharaj. At that time Chariji was very active in spreading the message of Shahaj Marg through out the world. Babuji was also telling " My two eyes are Chari and Narayana".
Till Master's( Babuji) Mahasamadhi, Chariji was completely polite and obedient to Babuji Maharaj. After the demise of Babuji Maharaj, Chari started making conspiracy in the mission with his inner circle. Till 1991 we were at the feet of Chariji. But after throwing away Mr.K.C.Narayanan from SRCM by Chariji, we were shocked a little bit. And During 1995 sister Saint Kasturiji openly in a congrgation told every one that she is leaving Chariji's mission as her Master is Babuji Maharaj only. Things like this made us understand the Character of Chariji. At last during 2002 I left Chariji and his mission and joined with Behenji.
Till date I do not understand why a stanch-disciple of Babuji became slave to power, money and dictator-ship.
Rest in next...Thank you...Rajan.
4d-Don said:
Click on "comments" for 4d-don's comments, and add your own comments if you feel like it!!
For the answer to Rajan's reference to the "dictatorship" of Chari in his last sentence, see this article (near the end) on this blog, about Babuji's "Constitution of SRCM (Shahjahanpur-1945). Chari Copied this Constitution verbatim when he registered SRCM (California-1997) in San Luis Obispo, California, in 1997, hence giving himself "dictatorial" powers by his (or Babuji's) own words (Does the UN DPI know about the "dictatorship" in their midst? ... Corruption attracts Corruption !! Birds of a feather flock together! ):
SRCM Dictatorship at the United Nations DPI
.
.
Neverthless if a siddh guru / master is present (living) then the journey becomes very interesting. If Babuji were the right master then also the things remain unchanged because to transmit the energy guru MUST be living with human body. Babuji has gone and Chariji and french lady and many more are left. That is what we have here on the name of guru / master. So it is better to leave SRCM and this practice and switch over to pranayam and other meditative ways.
I also faced a lot of problems which I can not understand. But with the help of breathing exercises I came out of the miseries. And I never needed any master or guru to come out of this dilemma. I am quite happy today that again I can do Idol worship, puja, mantras, bhakti anything my heart tells me to do. It is bloody Chariji who set my mind frame to either select bhakti / religion / other meditations or F***ing customised / dependent so called SRCM meditation. And that is why I could not do any mantras or other things properly.
Our religion like othe religions is the most famous and scientific religion in the world. We have meditations, yogasans, pranayam, mantra, occult, tantra, bhakti yog, Gyan yog, Dhyaan yog.....everything is there. One is absolutely FREE to do whatever he/she likes. It is not the work of 1 or 2 or 3 sains or gurus.
IT IS THE HERITAGE GIVEN TO US BY A LOT OF GURUS, SAINTS AND YOGIES. And who the F*** Chariji is to critise whole religion(s) just on the basis of idol worship and rituals related to it. He talks as if he has done / followed and understood every kind of meditations/religious practices. He standerdize the truth felt (or devised) by him and forced other to believe the same. He thought that what he felf was the only truth. What others are facing is bullshit!!!!! This is what stops one's progress in spirituality. It is a common low in this world that the truth for me may not be the same as Shaswat or Cyril. Same way it is true for Shaswat and Cyril as well.
Now I can not standerdize the truth felt by me (that pranayam is the only way of liberation) abnd force Cyril and Shaswat to believe the same. For Shaswat his truth may be in love of his family. For Cyril his truth may be in Jesus christ.
And what Chriji did was forcing the people by giving them no options other than SRCM meditation. Atleast he should not have claimed himself as guru and have letted the people follow their own believes / practices along with srcm meditation. But he spoilt everything.
One more thing I noticed in Chariji's satsang which reflacted Chariji's ego. He claims himself as "the President" of SRCM./ He declared the same status for his next disciple Ajay Bhattar. It seems that Chariji is hungry for fame and power like Chief minister or president. But he could not achieve it in society by participating in elections etc. But rather he tried a different way. He choose spirituality and started doing his dirty work. How sad......he put thounds of people's lives in to miseries. He misguided innocent and loveworthy people and disruppted a lot of families.
Rajan Said:
Brother Maulik,
Your message is very interesting. You said a lot about Mr.Chari as an abyasi. But as a child -hood friend I want to tell you something :
During my Boy-hood I used to go to Chariji's house at Chennai twice in a month and spend my spiritual time with his family members. It was so nice to have his company and his family. I was loved by their family members. His father was my best well-wisher. Chariji wrote a book called "My Master" and that was praised by all the members of Shahaj Marg including Babuji Maharaj. At that time Chariji was very active in spreading the message of Shahaj Marg through out the world. Babuji was also telling " My two eyes are Chari and Narayana".
Till Master's( Babuji) Mahasamadhi, Chariji was completely polite and obedient to Babuji Maharaj. After the demise of Babuji Maharaj, Chari started making conspiracy in the mission with his inner circle. Till 1991 we were at the feet of Chariji. But after throwing away Mr.K.C.Narayanan from SRCM by Chariji, we were shocked a little bit. And During 1995 sister Saint Kasturiji openly in a congrgation told every one that she is leaving Chariji's mission as her Master is Babuji Maharaj only. Things like this made us understand the Character of Chariji. At last during 2002 I left Chariji and his mission and joined with Behenji.
Till date I do not understand why a stanch-disciple of Babuji became slave to power, money and dictator-ship.
Rest in next...Thank you...Rajan.
4d-Don said:
Click on "comments" for 4d-don's comments, and add your own comments if you feel like it!!
For the answer to Rajan's reference to the "dictatorship" of Chari in his last sentence, see this article (near the end) on this blog, about Babuji's "Constitution of SRCM (Shahjahanpur-1945). Chari Copied this Constitution verbatim when he registered SRCM (California-1997) in San Luis Obispo, California, in 1997, hence giving himself "dictatorial" powers by his (or Babuji's) own words (Does the UN DPI know about the "dictatorship" in their midst? ... Corruption attracts Corruption !! Birds of a feather flock together! ):
SRCM Dictatorship at the United Nations DPI
.
.
1 comment:
Hi all...
Interesting what Rajan and Maulik say. Such as:
"When the right-guide start cleaning the Samskaras of an abyasi naturally his previous impression will come out from his system and the abyasi during that time has to under go Bhog period that causes physical decease or mental decease."
When one reads Babuji's autobiography, one sees that there was a long period (10 years) when Babuji was "depressed"... So it seems that focussing on LIGHT does not erase the Samskaras but it seems to "bring them out" much as "PRIMAL SCREAM" therapy claimed to do in the "hippie" era... To take out "all at once" what is by nature supposed to take years and "life-times" seems to cause "mental stress" and even Physical illness, according to many testimonials and according to what I have seen in the lives of those I know who have become involved with Sahaj Marg... They seem to be "VERY EMOTIONAL" and not loving but very "disrespectful" (their terms) of those who have been around them for many years ...
IS THAT SPIRITUALITY?? I doubt it... It seems to be SPIRITUALISM and/or the effects of "SPIRITS" or egregores or their own (accumulation) of "sins" coming out all at once...making them "emotional"...and even neurotic and psychotic.
Also, I chuckle at these statement by Rajan:
"...he is the inventor of such divine power."
"...The reason for that is if a person who has a lot of Samskaras or past impression and when start practicing meditation , slowly his past impressions will come out one by one resulting in any ugly shape ,may be physically or mentally."
"...they are transmitting their own Ego to the abyasis."
I think Rajan is correct ...
It is what I've been saying for years ... and Rajan has first hand experience!!
I would add that according to "RAJA YOGA" the SPIRITUAL diet is not to be "SPICY" (taste is a sensation also) as that will allegedly create or bring out "arrogance" and a sense of "superiority", that was not there with a different diet. The Abhyasis that I know are trying to get their families to eat "spicy" ... WHY? Is it to sub-consciously create an emotional condition in their families, to which they will then offer the "cure" of Sahaj Marg MEDITATION (a modified or "butchered" Raja Yoga, an eightfold path)starting a step # 7?? To TRULY BE Raja Yoga, don't eat SPICY and don't entrap your family into that "bad habit" ... creating an emotional and divisive atmosphere.
(Taste is a sensation also... for the orally fixated ... No sex please we are SPIRITUAL ... we are FOOD addicts!)
And by Maulik:
"But I am not agree with the opinion that we need right master / guide to remove our past impressions."
Thank you Rajan and Maulik ... You help preserve the true "spiritual tradition" of India, and to expose such "cult of Personality" and SPIRITUALISM or Spiritism that Sahaj Marg has become under "CHARI" and the Businessmen and the MEDIUMS...
Is it possible that Chari has been taken over (possessed) by the "un-known spirits" that the Anonymous French lady MEDIUM is "conjuring up"? What is happening in Sahaj Marg is not NATURAL!! The abhyasis are not acting "normal"!!
There is so much hatred, violence, dis-respect by the abhyasis, of their family, their friends, other religions (including Babuji's family, and Lalaji's followers and family, whom they claim as their "adi guru"!!
Let us not forget, Sister Kasturi, the only Saint in Sahaj Marg, according to Babuji, and KC Narayana and his ISRC (Institute of Shri Ramchandra Consciousness)
Don ...
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