Translation and Transcript of Leena Saxena interview

This is the interview of Leena Saxena, by Shashwat, which is now on YouTube. Leena Saxena is the wife of Navneet Saxena, the current President SRCM Shahjahanpur. He is the son of the late Umesh Chandra Saxena, and the grandson of Babuji, the founder of the Shri Ram Chandra Mission and Sahaj Marg.

This (and other) incident was covered by the local Media: See "Two Newspaper Reports of Attacks on Babuji Ashrams"

and a translation is here: "Translation of Hindi Newspaper articles on SRCM (Shahjahanpur) Site".

To see the YouTube interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqSifNY1l90


English translation and transcript:


Me:- So you are saying that these people have physically assaulted your mother in law, on one hand Chari says that Babuji is his master, and on other hand his men beat up old women from the family of Babuji, can you go through some of the time line as to what exactly happened that day? If they assaulted her, how and why, what are the consequences of that act on your life.

Leenaji:- See, if Chariji and his followers accept Babuji as his guru, then you think it for yourself, my mother-in-law is the daughter-in-law of Babuji, and what she told me, that they said that they would cut her into pieces and throw her …. She was sitting in the office which is there, and they pushed her outside and said we will cut you in pieces and we will kill you!!

Me:- who said that they will cut her into pieces?

Leenaji:- they were his (Chari) followers.. one of his followers has said these words, after that they offered her water...

Me:- ok.. so they offered her water ?

Leenaji:- when she started feeling fatigue and like fainting.. then someone said, give her water… my mother-in-law said that she does not want water ... at this they said, “we have not mixed poison in this, take it"... there is no poison in this... you tell me.. from where does this poisoning stuff come into the picture? It means that they must have poisoned my father-in-law (Umesh Chandra Saxena, son of Babuji) otherwise why would anyone say take this water there is no poison in this!! This is also one of our concerns.. and then every now and then we come to know that they say all rubbish about my family ... like they will kill us here or there... like 24 hrs a day we come to know something of this kind ... always ... that is why we have requested for police protection, which we have got from the past 20-22 days...

Me:- ok.. so you are currently under police protection..

Leenaji:- yes.. they are on call... whenever we feel there is a threat.. we will give them a call and police will come to rescue us immediately... there are orders from higher ups that we should get protection from the police.

Me:- ok.. so chari and his followers have troubled you so much that you have to live under constant threat and police protection ...

Leenaji:- (laughs) what can we say to this? ... this is how our life is currently...

Me:- but they claim that they are very spiritual people...

Leenaji:- this is what people should see as to who is right and who is wrong... we have never indulged in any kind of violent activity ... you already know, they have so many ashrams etc ... but our followers have never used any kind of violence against anyone ... our followers have never used violence to throw them out of their ashrams...

Me:- I spoke to Kasturiji also today and she informed me that the Shahjahnpur ashram incident is not an isolated incident of violence from Chari's group of people... there were many ashrams which were captured forcefully by these people, which belonged to you like in Raichur, Vijaywada and some more places.. so what is the truth in this statement?

Leenaji:- meaning kasturiji is saying that we did it?

Me:- no not you.. people from Chari’s group, they forcefully captured your properties... how many such ashrams are there ... I mean Shahjahanpur was not an isolated incident.. according to Kasturiji, many more ashrams were captured by people from Chariji's group.. how many such ashrams are there..

Leenaji:- there are many such ashrams which they have forcefully taken, one in in Delhi, which I have seen from my eyes.. after my marriage I have seen many such cases, Delhi ashram was taken in front of my eyes... that is also in their hands as of today's date… they have already taken Shahjahnpur ashram 2 yrs back.

Me:- well I am kind of surprised… you are living under threat from a spiritual person!!! Police is protecting you from a person who claims to be spiritual? This could also mean that you yourself are scared… but I guess if police have provided you a security cover, that means that even government also feels that there is a genuine threat to your life from these spiritual people..

Leenaji:- see, we have a family, we have small kids, who go out.. my husband and my brother-in-law also go out to various places.. it has happened once that my brother in law met with an designed accident.. and anyone who has a family feels concerned about their safety… so I cannot say that I am not scared, we are scared and that is why we asked for protection and we have got that... My husband also goes out, if something happens to him, so whom are we going to question?

Me:- your concern can be your personal view, but if police is providing you a security cover that means that police also feels that your threat is genuine..

Leenaji:- definitely.. they feel that there is a threat that is why we have this protection...

Me:- this clears that Chariji is not running any spiritual mission, but a gang...

Leenaji:- it is up to people to decide if he is running a spiritual mission or a gang, he (Chariji) should see this himself... but there is one thing which I am not able to understand even today... they have got so many ashrams... what was the need for them to beat up my mother-in-law and capture our Shahjahanpur ashram…

Me:- it was the headquarter of SRCM..

Leenaji:- so what.. they claim that their head quarter is in Madras (Chennai)... why did they attack Shahjahanpur ?

Me:- it was your home.. it is like they snatched your home from you…

Leenaji:- (laughs..) my home no-one can take from us...