Translation of a comment by researcher, Alexis, on Élodie's blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg
See here:
http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=20689467&postID=7563240357640853934
Alexis said ...
After donating more than 10 million U.S. dollars to the SRCM and SMSF between 1999 and 2010 via his Lachimi Foundation, Madhava Reddy made a new donation of $ 1.85 million in 2011. (See FCRA (Foreign Contributions Regulatory Act) of Indian Government with link to donors and donations.)
The main overseas donor, Reddy, an Indo-American, president and founder of the start-up HTC Global Services, (which is SRCM's Management Group) is not ready to be dethroned and deserves his second home inside the Babuji Memorial Ashram as granted by Chari.
The abolition of privileges is not for tomorrow in the real world as in the spiritual way of the SRCM (California-1997) of Chari! Especially when privileges are bought at such an expensive price ...
Bill Gates (see below for exerpt of Chari's "moral degradation" speech) knows what he has to do if he wants to put an end to the criticism of Chari; he (Bill Gates) may even win the right to open a house for AIDS patients at the BMA (Babuji Memorial Ashram) sponsored by Chari!
But we all know, that Chari does not like money nor is he above what it brings and gives ...
Sunday, March 17, 2013
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Sahaj Marg(tm), Moral Degradation, and the UNDPI
Let's Talk Money
Spiritualist Chari, (bad-mouther of Religion) and The enemy of Spirituality
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Saturday, March 02, 2013
Comments to Two of Chari's Speech! (Sahaj Marg(tm)
Taken from an article: "Extraits Commentés de Deux Discours de Chari", by Elodie's on her blog: "Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg" .
“We have been receiving many messages from my Master over the past five or six months. (...)
The messages of my Master are very curt and quite brief. Those of you who have been reading the four volumes that we have already published, containing Whispers, know that some of them are as brief as two or three lines, and one wonders in what language he spoke to the person who received the message. Because, if we have the ability to receive the messages direct, it is an astonishing fact that each one of you will receive the message in your own language (...).
When you speak in a language which is no-language, in a voice that is not heard but perceived in the heart – if you are able to receive this, you are quite on the way to spiritual life leading to spiritual transformation, to the highest extents that are open to human beings. In other words, a message is a transmission.
4d-don Comment: Oh! My GOD!! "a no-language", and messages which no one understands but is received in the emotional heart?? BEWARE of BRAINWASHING!! Sahaj Marg(tm) abhyasis are being made "dense", by imagining "light" in meditation, as if LIGHT was GOD, but which in REALITY is simply equivalent to matter, according to Einstein's E=mc2.
Now we apparently all "transmit" to one another as we send a "message" ... So much for the "uniqueness" of Sahaj Marg(tm)'s TRANSMISSION !! Stay in your own family and your own culture and simply BE !! ONE is not only LIGHT. ONE is Everything, Everywhere, and Everywhen!!
Babuji's transmission of "whispers" messages to Chari, although being so short, and yet they can not work without the medium. Chari claims to transmit Babuji's divine energy to the abhyasis during meditation, but he is unable to receive these messages directly from Babuji, he does not perceive in his heart the spiritual voice of Babuji.
Would the language of the heart be incomprehensible to Chari, the man of business language and power? Has the medium gone further than Chari on the path toward spiritual life?
(...) For instance, there was this business of the Mayan Calendar: the world is going to end on a particular day just because a calendar stopped somewhere in an ancient culture thousands of years old. I have been receiving letters from abhyasis – good abhyasis – asking how much water they should store, how much food they should buy and store, how they should prepare themselves for the calamity. (...)
We have to protect our heart from both the ravages of the physical world and from the world of the senses, much more. And today we have to insulate ourselves from what we now know to be lies given to us by religion. It doesn't matter what religion – any religion. Because, though they may have appeared profound when they were created, and though the creator of the religion was a pure man with pure intentions, a pure teaching, it passed through the soiled hands of a priesthood, and the result is corruption at the deepest level – the spiritual level. Therefore, our Babuji Maharaj has always said, in spirituality we don't destroy religion, we transcend religion. We don't cease to have an affair with the heart, but it is now turned towards a true lover. Who is your lover? My lover is the Divine. (...)
There is only one relationship and that is with him [Master] and through him with the Divine.
Once more, Chari goes after religion. As pure as its creator and its teaching once were, they (religions) have been plagued by the corruption of their successors and the hierarchy they put in place. Obviously, spirituality transcends religion and avoids this pitfall, but succumbs when the guru gives his place to his successor.
Chari said he has only a relationship with the Master and with the Divine through him, his lover is the Divine.
Common sense knows well that a true lover's relationship has only two partners: it is better then to avoid loving the Divine through a Master, and to love IT directly. Samskara or simply common sense?
So it is a strange fact that these messages, the whispers from above, what I have called as whispers from the brighter world, can be understood by anybody who has the ability to receive it direct in his heart, because then no language is necessary. The person who receives the message cannot tell you how it was received. It was not audible. It was not sense-ible. Then what? Such a person can only say, "I perceived it and wrote it down in my own language because that is the only language I can receive it in." (...)
The Whispers from the Brighter World are allegedly not in any language because they are received in the heart. At least this is the case with the medium who expresses them in French to then translate them to English for a Chari who did not understand them previously. (in French)
Babuji Maharaj, in one of his recent messages, says that the development of the people in the Mission is important because not only will it affect the people of this world, but it will have its effect on other worlds, too. Imagine! Silly fools like us – irreverent, sinful; we come here, and what do we find? That the simple act of sitting in obedience to him, meditating, affects not only this world, the whole world, but other worlds, too. (...)
So this meditation has importance which you cannot imagine, because in one of his books Babuji says, "This world, among all the created worlds, is the most important because it has direct connection to the Centre" – nowhere else. In all the other worlds, whatever they may be, however intellectual, however powerful, however advanced (in the terms that we people understand advancement – may be more inventions, more manufacture, things like that) they are all not connected directly to the Centre but through something else. This world has the good fortune to be connected directly to the Centre. (...)”
The abhyasis of Sahaj Marg must play an important role in the future of humanity, but Chari teaches us that in addition to saving this world, our world, they save all of the other worlds. Imagine! Are they not wonderful?
This time it is our beloved planet Earth which is better connected to the Centre than all the other worlds combined. Shri Ram Chandra Mission still holds the best seats in the house (theatre?), is it not surprising?
Always Be Loving
“(...) Ego is the most troublesome and almost impossible barrier to overcome on our spiritual path.
The Whispers, which are coming now for the last four or five months every day, give us not only the wisdom of the great Masters above [clap of thunder], but also shows the sense of urgency that they feel for us. Again and again the message says: Human life is an uncertain thing. Don’t waste your time in flippant activities seeking pleasure, comfort. Spend every moment of it in the spiritual way – not by sitting in meditation for twenty-four hours, but in constant remembrance.
(...) Worse than this physical, shall I say, intoxication with the pleasures of life, is the ego, because the ego rules us. It is the ego which makes a man assert and be assertive.
(...) Please read Whispers carefully. Many people know, even Babuji Maharaj repeats, that good things must be repeated again and again, because we tend to forget. (...)”
The whispers are allegedly short and repetitive messages transmitted by Babuji to tell us how human life is an uncertain thing. Let us not waste our very precious time on our ego, it is urgent to focus on the spiritual life.
Better to give up on our individuality than to a spirituality of spiritualist origin, they say. To each his/her priorities.
Chari
Comments by Elodie
Comment by 4d-Don
March 2, 2013
Comments to Two of Chari's Speeches (Feb. 2, 2013)
Perceiving the Essence of the Whispers
Celebration of the 140th Birth Anniversary of Lalaji Maharaj (2/02/2013)
“We have been receiving many messages from my Master over the past five or six months. (...)
The messages of my Master are very curt and quite brief. Those of you who have been reading the four volumes that we have already published, containing Whispers, know that some of them are as brief as two or three lines, and one wonders in what language he spoke to the person who received the message. Because, if we have the ability to receive the messages direct, it is an astonishing fact that each one of you will receive the message in your own language (...).
When you speak in a language which is no-language, in a voice that is not heard but perceived in the heart – if you are able to receive this, you are quite on the way to spiritual life leading to spiritual transformation, to the highest extents that are open to human beings. In other words, a message is a transmission.
4d-don Comment: Oh! My GOD!! "a no-language", and messages which no one understands but is received in the emotional heart?? BEWARE of BRAINWASHING!! Sahaj Marg(tm) abhyasis are being made "dense", by imagining "light" in meditation, as if LIGHT was GOD, but which in REALITY is simply equivalent to matter, according to Einstein's E=mc2.
Now we apparently all "transmit" to one another as we send a "message" ... So much for the "uniqueness" of Sahaj Marg(tm)'s TRANSMISSION !! Stay in your own family and your own culture and simply BE !! ONE is not only LIGHT. ONE is Everything, Everywhere, and Everywhen!!
Babuji's transmission of "whispers" messages to Chari, although being so short, and yet they can not work without the medium. Chari claims to transmit Babuji's divine energy to the abhyasis during meditation, but he is unable to receive these messages directly from Babuji, he does not perceive in his heart the spiritual voice of Babuji.
Would the language of the heart be incomprehensible to Chari, the man of business language and power? Has the medium gone further than Chari on the path toward spiritual life?
(...) For instance, there was this business of the Mayan Calendar: the world is going to end on a particular day just because a calendar stopped somewhere in an ancient culture thousands of years old. I have been receiving letters from abhyasis – good abhyasis – asking how much water they should store, how much food they should buy and store, how they should prepare themselves for the calamity. (...)
Some good abhyasis have believed in the Mayan prophecy to the point of asking Chari what amounts of food and water they had to buy and store; how they should prepare for the impending disaster.
We can only conclude that the abhyasis are not any smarter than the rest, we can but wonder at the reasons that led them to call Chari about this: would whispers not have made them ultra-sensitive to disasters and to the end of the world?
We can only conclude that the abhyasis are not any smarter than the rest, we can but wonder at the reasons that led them to call Chari about this: would whispers not have made them ultra-sensitive to disasters and to the end of the world?
It would be most interesting to know Chari's answer: a very great silence, for example?
We have to protect our heart from both the ravages of the physical world and from the world of the senses, much more. And today we have to insulate ourselves from what we now know to be lies given to us by religion. It doesn't matter what religion – any religion. Because, though they may have appeared profound when they were created, and though the creator of the religion was a pure man with pure intentions, a pure teaching, it passed through the soiled hands of a priesthood, and the result is corruption at the deepest level – the spiritual level. Therefore, our Babuji Maharaj has always said, in spirituality we don't destroy religion, we transcend religion. We don't cease to have an affair with the heart, but it is now turned towards a true lover. Who is your lover? My lover is the Divine. (...)
There is only one relationship and that is with him [Master] and through him with the Divine.
Once more, Chari goes after religion. As pure as its creator and its teaching once were, they (religions) have been plagued by the corruption of their successors and the hierarchy they put in place. Obviously, spirituality transcends religion and avoids this pitfall, but succumbs when the guru gives his place to his successor.
Chari said he has only a relationship with the Master and with the Divine through him, his lover is the Divine.
Common sense knows well that a true lover's relationship has only two partners: it is better then to avoid loving the Divine through a Master, and to love IT directly. Samskara or simply common sense?
So it is a strange fact that these messages, the whispers from above, what I have called as whispers from the brighter world, can be understood by anybody who has the ability to receive it direct in his heart, because then no language is necessary. The person who receives the message cannot tell you how it was received. It was not audible. It was not sense-ible. Then what? Such a person can only say, "I perceived it and wrote it down in my own language because that is the only language I can receive it in." (...)
The Whispers from the Brighter World are allegedly not in any language because they are received in the heart. At least this is the case with the medium who expresses them in French to then translate them to English for a Chari who did not understand them previously. (in French)
Babuji Maharaj, in one of his recent messages, says that the development of the people in the Mission is important because not only will it affect the people of this world, but it will have its effect on other worlds, too. Imagine! Silly fools like us – irreverent, sinful; we come here, and what do we find? That the simple act of sitting in obedience to him, meditating, affects not only this world, the whole world, but other worlds, too. (...)
So this meditation has importance which you cannot imagine, because in one of his books Babuji says, "This world, among all the created worlds, is the most important because it has direct connection to the Centre" – nowhere else. In all the other worlds, whatever they may be, however intellectual, however powerful, however advanced (in the terms that we people understand advancement – may be more inventions, more manufacture, things like that) they are all not connected directly to the Centre but through something else. This world has the good fortune to be connected directly to the Centre. (...)”
The abhyasis of Sahaj Marg must play an important role in the future of humanity, but Chari teaches us that in addition to saving this world, our world, they save all of the other worlds. Imagine! Are they not wonderful?
This time it is our beloved planet Earth which is better connected to the Centre than all the other worlds combined. Shri Ram Chandra Mission still holds the best seats in the house (theatre?), is it not surprising?
Always Be Loving
Address on Basant Panchami, 15 February 2013, Manapakkam, Chennai
“(...) Ego is the most troublesome and almost impossible barrier to overcome on our spiritual path.
The Whispers, which are coming now for the last four or five months every day, give us not only the wisdom of the great Masters above [clap of thunder], but also shows the sense of urgency that they feel for us. Again and again the message says: Human life is an uncertain thing. Don’t waste your time in flippant activities seeking pleasure, comfort. Spend every moment of it in the spiritual way – not by sitting in meditation for twenty-four hours, but in constant remembrance.
(...) Worse than this physical, shall I say, intoxication with the pleasures of life, is the ego, because the ego rules us. It is the ego which makes a man assert and be assertive.
(...) Please read Whispers carefully. Many people know, even Babuji Maharaj repeats, that good things must be repeated again and again, because we tend to forget. (...)”
The whispers are allegedly short and repetitive messages transmitted by Babuji to tell us how human life is an uncertain thing. Let us not waste our very precious time on our ego, it is urgent to focus on the spiritual life.
Better to give up on our individuality than to a spirituality of spiritualist origin, they say. To each his/her priorities.
Chari
Comment by 4d-Don
Tuesday, January 01, 2013
Sahaj Marg(tm) and Becoming a Real Human Being?
Translation of an article (in reply to Fabrice, a preceptor of Sahaj Marg(tm)): "Devenir De Vrais Êtres Humains", on Élodie's blog in Europe: "Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg"
To Become Real Human Beings
In other words, I do not practice because I believe. Here (in spirituality) BELIEF is OFF SIDE. It does not fit at all into any account, for every belief represents a bias, a prejudice.
Here, we speak from experience, a feeling of well-being, tolerance, sense of peace, increase of love, no matter who the guru is, whatever the name of the path. Spirituality has nothing to do with proprieties, a guru does not come to please, but to tell uncomfortable truths which can upset and can shake us in our certainties. Every Master, teacher, guide or Guru whatever his name, has his personality, his character. We therefore accept him as he is, as he accepts us as we are. It is the freedom given to us by the spiritual path: not a stereotype or a stagnant situation.
One judges the tree and the gardener by the fruit they can produce. To reject the fruit because of a prejudice is not correct nor adult. What can one say of those who do not even want to look at the fruit under the pretext that they do not like the gardener? ...
(...) Whether one refers to Sahaj Marg or to any other spiritual path, the only reality to serve as a master standard is Love. What good is ultimate wisdom, power, knowledge of the science of the causes and effects? Love is the glue that binds all things, gives direction to what I just mentioned above. Love gives meaning and coherence to our work. Love is precisely Ultimate Wisdom and ultimate power. Become Love and refine it again and again. This is the direction of the authentic spiritual paths.
It is unfortunate that the Sahaj Marg is so misunderstood and so often poorly practiced in its philosophy and its implications in relation to others. In other words, how does Sahaj Marg serve me if I do not get better every day.
(...) When I say that a spiritual practice if it is sincere, should make us real human beings ... yes! I confirm it, and invite you to not take it out of context, but to go through with the sentence: "... more and more conscious of one's functionning, one's choices, by putting at the heart of one's preoccupation Love for others, care for others, respect for all life, patience, and (very important) respecting one's limitations and those of others."
In other words, having two arms, two legs and the most developed brain among the mammals is not enough to make us human. Simply watch the news to realize: violence, barbarity, rape , child rape, cruelty to animals and nature, yesterday, in a school shooting 28 dead, innocents ... I'll stop there.
There is then nothing human in this sad report, or even animal, animals do not behave like this, it is even insulting them!
Well, you know, I am sure, what I meant by saying that spirituality is a way to allow everyone to develop basic human values and to gradually become conscious of casting out of one's self the destructive trends that make man the worst of predators.
I hope I was clear this time. "
Sahaj Marg requires one to deprogram from one's conditionning, limiting beliefs, prejudices, etc.. (Sic). Belief is out of play (off side), everything is at the service of the experiment: the master, Whispers, the medium, etc..
Sahaj Marg requires one to get rid of one's beliefs, but it is to better adopt a new belief system.
Thus, love of others, respect for all life, the philosophy of Sahaj Marg and its implications in relation to others (sic) brings Fabrice and other abhyasis to declare that having two arms, two legs and the most elaborate brain is not enough to make us human (re-sic).
In other words, we are not worthy of our human condition, even an animal does not behave as badly as us. So there you have one trait of the belief system that the SRCM drives home, we are not human beings.
In my eyes, this about Fabrice proves that there is indeed a belief system rooted in the depths of the SRCM: we work in our group to become REAL human beings, others are not, do not deserve it. This is serious, very serious, and we hear a little more of it each day.
I admit not knowing how to say things so that the abhyasis will finally be made conscious of the risk of derailing which is behind these thoughts. For me they are just as sickening as the acts they accuse other people of doing, as they deny them their "human being" status. How does one explain it? This seems so obvious that words fail me, I do not know where to start.
Fabrice said: "there is nothing human there, or even animal," I fully agree with the second part of this claim, these behaviors have nothing to do with animals, but I reach a conclusion opposite to his: it is that it is typically human behavior, whether we like it or not. The human species is capable of the worst and the best, you can not remove the worse, you can not deny humanity its behavior considered bad, they are an integral part of it. The person who killed 20 children in the United States before killing himself was a human being, whether they like it or not, there is no doubt.
Abhyasis dream of a mankind better than it is (I too dream every day that passes), but how dare they say that "having two arms, two legs and the most developed mamalian brain is not enough to make us human? "
In doing so, they join in my eyes the most vile behavior of the human species. On behalf of thoughts like this, they justify all abuse: the death penalty, Hitlerian eugenics ... and probably also the ideology promoted in Whispers.
As I said before, this behavior is observed in most abhyasis, more numerous, more often. This is serious, very serious, you're dangerous.
I feel distraught at not finding the words to better show you how your thinking can become dangerous, it seems so obvious.
Human values are not what you dream they are, human values are a reflection of humanity, good and bad. You are re-inventing another human species, a side of humanity, founded on the values of Sahaj Marg. I do not share your values, so I'll re-invent a third human species, and so on. We will only arrive at a better way to kill one another.
The world as it is does not satisfy you, you have chosen the internal and the personal path to change and improve it, so far so good. But considering that your values are higher, that there is a population of elected (an elite?), and denying the humanity of those who do not suit you, you do show the most abject sectarianism and you set yourself lower than the ground. It is no longer human improvement, and quite the opposite, it is ridiculous.
I repeat, I sincerely wish that you would meditate seriously on the implications of these thoughts. Do me this pleasure, I fear that this sums up all that I can give you from my side, everything else is useless and in vain, in the face of it.
Élodie
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December 29, 2012
To Become Real Human Beings
A plunge into the heart of the belief system of Sahaj Marg
Fabrice (a preceptor of Sahaj Marg(tm)) reveals the depths of his thought
Excerpts: "(...)
I have no need or SRCM as such or of Chari as such nor indeed of Whispers,
or the medium, or Kasturi as such. I'm not attached to any name, no
framework, no institution no particular belief IF THEY ARE NOT IN
SERVICE EXPERIENCE.
In other words, I do not practice because I believe. Here (in spirituality) BELIEF is OFF SIDE. It does not fit at all into any account, for every belief represents a bias, a prejudice.
Here, we speak from experience, a feeling of well-being, tolerance, sense of peace, increase of love, no matter who the guru is, whatever the name of the path. Spirituality has nothing to do with proprieties, a guru does not come to please, but to tell uncomfortable truths which can upset and can shake us in our certainties. Every Master, teacher, guide or Guru whatever his name, has his personality, his character. We therefore accept him as he is, as he accepts us as we are. It is the freedom given to us by the spiritual path: not a stereotype or a stagnant situation.
One judges the tree and the gardener by the fruit they can produce. To reject the fruit because of a prejudice is not correct nor adult. What can one say of those who do not even want to look at the fruit under the pretext that they do not like the gardener? ...
(...) Whether one refers to Sahaj Marg or to any other spiritual path, the only reality to serve as a master standard is Love. What good is ultimate wisdom, power, knowledge of the science of the causes and effects? Love is the glue that binds all things, gives direction to what I just mentioned above. Love gives meaning and coherence to our work. Love is precisely Ultimate Wisdom and ultimate power. Become Love and refine it again and again. This is the direction of the authentic spiritual paths.
(...) Well understood, Sahaj Marg should be used as a tool for self improvement. How
to deprogram one from one's conditionning, limiting beliefs, prejudices, judgment of
others, past wounds ... to become a true human being more and more conscious of one's functionning, one's choices, by putting at the heart of one's preoccupation, Love for others, attention to
others, respect for all life, patience, and (very important) respecting one's
limitations and those of others.
It is unfortunate that the Sahaj Marg is so misunderstood and so often poorly practiced in its philosophy and its implications in relation to others. In other words, how does Sahaj Marg serve me if I do not get better every day.
(...) When I say that a spiritual practice if it is sincere, should make us real human beings ... yes! I confirm it, and invite you to not take it out of context, but to go through with the sentence: "... more and more conscious of one's functionning, one's choices, by putting at the heart of one's preoccupation Love for others, care for others, respect for all life, patience, and (very important) respecting one's limitations and those of others."
In other words, having two arms, two legs and the most developed brain among the mammals is not enough to make us human. Simply watch the news to realize: violence, barbarity, rape , child rape, cruelty to animals and nature, yesterday, in a school shooting 28 dead, innocents ... I'll stop there.
There is then nothing human in this sad report, or even animal, animals do not behave like this, it is even insulting them!
Well, you know, I am sure, what I meant by saying that spirituality is a way to allow everyone to develop basic human values and to gradually become conscious of casting out of one's self the destructive trends that make man the worst of predators.
I hope I was clear this time. "
After having seduced us with your small talk when there is question of love,
tolerance and self improvement, Fabrice reveals the depth of his
thought.
Sahaj Marg requires one to deprogram from one's conditionning, limiting beliefs, prejudices, etc.. (Sic). Belief is out of play (off side), everything is at the service of the experiment: the master, Whispers, the medium, etc..
Sahaj Marg requires one to get rid of one's beliefs, but it is to better adopt a new belief system.
This belief system, this culture or this philosophy are so well integrated by the abhyasis that they absolutely do not perceive it.
This culture shaped by Chari, and developed to the extreme by Whispers and taken up in a chorus by all the abhyasis is worthy of the behavior of adolescents in crisis, a
limited thinking, atrophied and lobotomized.
Thus, love of others, respect for all life, the philosophy of Sahaj Marg and its implications in relation to others (sic) brings Fabrice and other abhyasis to declare that having two arms, two legs and the most elaborate brain is not enough to make us human (re-sic).
In other words, we are not worthy of our human condition, even an animal does not behave as badly as us. So there you have one trait of the belief system that the SRCM drives home, we are not human beings.
I regret to say that the 6 billion inhabitants of the planet are REAL human beings. By denying that quality, Sahaj Marg legitimizes all the wars of religion, and all forms of totalitarianism. Believing that some human beings are more REAL than others, is the beginning of the worst abuses experienced by our planet. This is a really CULTISH thought.
In my eyes, this about Fabrice proves that there is indeed a belief system rooted in the depths of the SRCM: we work in our group to become REAL human beings, others are not, do not deserve it. This is serious, very serious, and we hear a little more of it each day.
I admit not knowing how to say things so that the abhyasis will finally be made conscious of the risk of derailing which is behind these thoughts. For me they are just as sickening as the acts they accuse other people of doing, as they deny them their "human being" status. How does one explain it? This seems so obvious that words fail me, I do not know where to start.
Fabrice said: "there is nothing human there, or even animal," I fully agree with the second part of this claim, these behaviors have nothing to do with animals, but I reach a conclusion opposite to his: it is that it is typically human behavior, whether we like it or not. The human species is capable of the worst and the best, you can not remove the worse, you can not deny humanity its behavior considered bad, they are an integral part of it. The person who killed 20 children in the United States before killing himself was a human being, whether they like it or not, there is no doubt.
Abhyasis dream of a mankind better than it is (I too dream every day that passes), but how dare they say that "having two arms, two legs and the most developed mamalian brain is not enough to make us human? "
In doing so, they join in my eyes the most vile behavior of the human species. On behalf of thoughts like this, they justify all abuse: the death penalty, Hitlerian eugenics ... and probably also the ideology promoted in Whispers.
As I said before, this behavior is observed in most abhyasis, more numerous, more often. This is serious, very serious, you're dangerous.
I feel distraught at not finding the words to better show you how your thinking can become dangerous, it seems so obvious.
Human values are not what you dream they are, human values are a reflection of humanity, good and bad. You are re-inventing another human species, a side of humanity, founded on the values of Sahaj Marg. I do not share your values, so I'll re-invent a third human species, and so on. We will only arrive at a better way to kill one another.
The world as it is does not satisfy you, you have chosen the internal and the personal path to change and improve it, so far so good. But considering that your values are higher, that there is a population of elected (an elite?), and denying the humanity of those who do not suit you, you do show the most abject sectarianism and you set yourself lower than the ground. It is no longer human improvement, and quite the opposite, it is ridiculous.
Obviously, your belief system is so integrated that you can not even perceive the incongruity of your words. From the outside, it is obvious. Just as the possession of firearms will not be challenged by the Americans
despite the tragedy that strikes them, because it is part of their
culture, while that is the first thing that offends foreigners.
Personal message for Fabrice:
I have not managed to strike a sensitive chord in you, I'm sorry, we are in a dialogue of the deaf, and yet it is the essential that is expressed there. You're being misled in a dangerous sectarian belief system under the guise of a pseudo perfection. The more beautiful the Utopia, the more likely it leads to a totalitarian hell.
I repeat, I sincerely wish that you would meditate seriously on the implications of these thoughts. Do me this pleasure, I fear that this sums up all that I can give you from my side, everything else is useless and in vain, in the face of it.
Élodie
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Saturday, October 08, 2011
Comment by Paolo, Ex-Preceptor of Sahaj Marg!
Taken and translated from a comment by Paolo, ex-preceptor of Sahaj Marg (under Babuji and Chari), on article by Cricri (Christian): Le Temoignage de Cricri, (see English version on this blog: "Ex-Abhyasi of Sahaj Marg, Cricri's Testimonial"), on Elodie's blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg.
Comments and insertions by 4d-don are in "red italics"
(See reply by Cricri below)
Paolo Said:
The argument that you suggest seems very interesting and even fundamental to any spiritual seeker.
My name is Paolo and I joined Sahaj Marg in 1978. I met Babuji the next year in India and several other times until he departed (April 19, 1983)
I met Chari in 1979 in India when he was secretary general of the SRCM, then I accepted him as the new chairman of the mission and later as master, believing that I was "recognizing the master where he was", basing my decision especially on the perception of the transmission flowing from him.
I worked as a preceptor for 15 years until I left the SRCM in 2003.
I do not think though that I have anything to teach to anyone, but at the same time I am absolutely convinced that we must ask questions and try to answer them honestly.
The first question which you had already asked is:
- Is there a difference between spirituality and power?
and also:
- Does there exist any form of "energetic" power with no spiritual nature?
- The practice of "suggestion" towards the abhyasis or those who are not abhyasis, widely used by Chari and many of the preceptors, (is it) a spiritual practice?
(For example: work by suggesting that someone who abandoned the mission will return)
-In order to be helped spiritually by a Master should one not have, beyond "energetic" power, certain characteristics, innate by a special birth or acquired by his spiritual practice, such as humility or non-attachment to material goals, including the idea of the growth at all costs of his mission?
- Should the Master should not have a direct experience of the spiritual realms, and help us to do the same (direct experience!) And have no recourse to mediums and like people?
I do not think that to ask whether Chari is a channel or not, is a good question.
I'm sure he is a channel but of what "energy" is it?
Is this a purely spiritual "energy", liberating from the grips of the material and helping to enter the spiritual worlds, or, an "energy", which in one way or another, only develops the ego in an infinite expansion?
Someone said that you can judge the tree by its fruits.
Best regards and thank you for all your efforts
Paolo
Saturday, October 1, 2011
Cricri Said:
Paolo,
"believing that I was recognizing the Master where he was", basing my decision primarily on the perception of the trasmission that flowed from him."
From KC Narayana (of ISRC a SRCM break-away group) I learned that the transmission is an act of will.
He has long insisted that I understand the difference between divine grace and transmission.
From the SRCMtm, I was confused.
Transmission can not flow by itself passively it seems, it is something else.
You do not doubt that Chari is a channel, but you doubt about the type of energy that he channels.
What are your assumptions about the nature of this energy?
"I worked as a preceptor for 15 years until I left the SRCM in 2003."
Would you explain, since you are a former insider, how the teacher manipulates the abhyasi to make it obedient and indoctrinated?
I refer to "spiritual" techniques and these famous suggestions emitted during the siting or during the remote (at a distance) working sessions on the abhyasi.
Explain to the readers what this witchcraft recipe is, the readers would not believe if it came from me.
Would thou also tell us why the teacher is unable to advance the abhyasi spiritually?
The suggestions have obviously limits :-)
"for example, to work by suggesting that someone who has abandoned the mission will return"
I know this is the kind of process that one undergoes, and more so from people that we know, and believe to want to do well.
In my case, however, I have taken the lead by addressing the abhyasis of Chari by all the names of birds (Bird-brain) : I'm sure they would not want me to return to their cult! :-)
Yet the sense of my last post is honesty.
Some abhyasis were influenced by blogs while that the choice should have come from them.
Today they have doubts about their decision because they feel they have lost something essential.
(Continuation and end)
We have a spiritual responsibility to be cleansed.
If an abhyasi doubts that he has made the right choice, then, he must return to SRCMtm and not wait, and watch the situation from the inside after having had an outside view.
So he will obtain the means to make a choice that comes from himself, if indeed the "suggestions" which is he is the target leaves him that.
If he decides to leave, he must really have faith, and look hard.
Likewise, if he decides to stay!
"Should The Master not have direct experience of the spiritual realms"
Absolutism demonstrates an inability to understand the complexity of the world, general relativism, the nuances and subtlety of the universe.
It shows a total misunderstanding of nature and the compensatory need to construct a safe mental building.
It is the opposite of living a spirituality which brings us constantly in front of the unknowable.
For this reason, I am awed by the thoughts of Lalaji, whereas with Babuji, an exclusive monotheism is set in place while this exclusivity is absent from the original Sufi teaching.
If Chari has no direct experience of the spiritual realms, he seems to be used as a channel: by what, by whom, for what purpose?
Darth Vader is a beautiful metaphor for Chari.
Both are trapped in a net of influence which they have allowed to develop by ambition, indulgence, and arrogance.
A spark of good is also in Chari: perhaps it will his its work one day?
Perhaps it is already at work, guiding the lost in the maze of his ambition?
And if all this would open on an episode of light?
That's why nothing is decided on Chari and SRCMtm and I want to re-open the debate in a constructive way.
Paolo, you are essential to help us think, thank you for sharing.
Cricri
Wednesday, October 5, 2011
Comments and insertions by 4d-don are in "red italics"
(See reply by Cricri below)
Paolo Said:
The argument that you suggest seems very interesting and even fundamental to any spiritual seeker.
My name is Paolo and I joined Sahaj Marg in 1978. I met Babuji the next year in India and several other times until he departed (April 19, 1983)
I met Chari in 1979 in India when he was secretary general of the SRCM, then I accepted him as the new chairman of the mission and later as master, believing that I was "recognizing the master where he was", basing my decision especially on the perception of the transmission flowing from him.
I worked as a preceptor for 15 years until I left the SRCM in 2003.
I do not think though that I have anything to teach to anyone, but at the same time I am absolutely convinced that we must ask questions and try to answer them honestly.
The first question which you had already asked is:
- Is there a difference between spirituality and power?
and also:
- Does there exist any form of "energetic" power with no spiritual nature?
- The practice of "suggestion" towards the abhyasis or those who are not abhyasis, widely used by Chari and many of the preceptors, (is it) a spiritual practice?
(For example: work by suggesting that someone who abandoned the mission will return)
-In order to be helped spiritually by a Master should one not have, beyond "energetic" power, certain characteristics, innate by a special birth or acquired by his spiritual practice, such as humility or non-attachment to material goals, including the idea of the growth at all costs of his mission?
- Should the Master should not have a direct experience of the spiritual realms, and help us to do the same (direct experience!) And have no recourse to mediums and like people?
I do not think that to ask whether Chari is a channel or not, is a good question.
I'm sure he is a channel but of what "energy" is it?
Is this a purely spiritual "energy", liberating from the grips of the material and helping to enter the spiritual worlds, or, an "energy", which in one way or another, only develops the ego in an infinite expansion?
Someone said that you can judge the tree by its fruits.
Best regards and thank you for all your efforts
Paolo
Saturday, October 1, 2011
Cricri Said:
Paolo,
"believing that I was recognizing the Master where he was", basing my decision primarily on the perception of the trasmission that flowed from him."
From KC Narayana (of ISRC a SRCM break-away group) I learned that the transmission is an act of will.
He has long insisted that I understand the difference between divine grace and transmission.
From the SRCMtm, I was confused.
Transmission can not flow by itself passively it seems, it is something else.
You do not doubt that Chari is a channel, but you doubt about the type of energy that he channels.
What are your assumptions about the nature of this energy?
"I worked as a preceptor for 15 years until I left the SRCM in 2003."
Would you explain, since you are a former insider, how the teacher manipulates the abhyasi to make it obedient and indoctrinated?
I refer to "spiritual" techniques and these famous suggestions emitted during the siting or during the remote (at a distance) working sessions on the abhyasi.
Explain to the readers what this witchcraft recipe is, the readers would not believe if it came from me.
Would thou also tell us why the teacher is unable to advance the abhyasi spiritually?
The suggestions have obviously limits :-)
"for example, to work by suggesting that someone who has abandoned the mission will return"
I know this is the kind of process that one undergoes, and more so from people that we know, and believe to want to do well.
In my case, however, I have taken the lead by addressing the abhyasis of Chari by all the names of birds (Bird-brain) : I'm sure they would not want me to return to their cult! :-)
Yet the sense of my last post is honesty.
Some abhyasis were influenced by blogs while that the choice should have come from them.
Today they have doubts about their decision because they feel they have lost something essential.
(Continuation and end)
We have a spiritual responsibility to be cleansed.
If an abhyasi doubts that he has made the right choice, then, he must return to SRCMtm and not wait, and watch the situation from the inside after having had an outside view.
So he will obtain the means to make a choice that comes from himself, if indeed the "suggestions" which is he is the target leaves him that.
If he decides to leave, he must really have faith, and look hard.
Likewise, if he decides to stay!
"Should The Master not have direct experience of the spiritual realms"
Absolutism demonstrates an inability to understand the complexity of the world, general relativism, the nuances and subtlety of the universe.
It shows a total misunderstanding of nature and the compensatory need to construct a safe mental building.
It is the opposite of living a spirituality which brings us constantly in front of the unknowable.
For this reason, I am awed by the thoughts of Lalaji, whereas with Babuji, an exclusive monotheism is set in place while this exclusivity is absent from the original Sufi teaching.
If Chari has no direct experience of the spiritual realms, he seems to be used as a channel: by what, by whom, for what purpose?
Darth Vader is a beautiful metaphor for Chari.
Both are trapped in a net of influence which they have allowed to develop by ambition, indulgence, and arrogance.
A spark of good is also in Chari: perhaps it will his its work one day?
Perhaps it is already at work, guiding the lost in the maze of his ambition?
And if all this would open on an episode of light?
That's why nothing is decided on Chari and SRCMtm and I want to re-open the debate in a constructive way.
Paolo, you are essential to help us think, thank you for sharing.
Cricri
Wednesday, October 5, 2011
Saturday, August 27, 2011
The Lies of Fear and Temptation by Chari of Sahaj Marg(tm)!
Comments to Chari's Speech "We Have a Duty to Our World", 24 July 2011, D.J Park, Tiruppur, India, during Chari's Birthday Bash!!
Comments by 4d-Don are in "red italics"
The lie here is that according to Chari, if one changes, then there will apparently be no "destruction". And then, he states the "contradiction". How "RELIGIOUS"... and how not REALITY and/or not SPIRITUAL.
In Sahaj Marg(tm), contradictions abound, as in most religions. And they think they (and the "indigo" children) will lead mankind in the future?? These spiritual charlatans will only attract the "un-thinking" star-struck fans of fantasies, fairy tales, sci-fi, and pure silliness who will do all the work and attract the un-suspecting (women) ... and/or the "power-addicted" who will profiteer from such masses of "co-dependence" (lustful and power-addicted men who are drawn to the MATERIAL and to the pyramids of subservient "serfs").
We Have a Duty to Our World
(We have a duty to tell the TRUTH and save (conserve) some of the resources of the planet for the next generation, not simply "develop" and profiteer from everything for the benefit of the nationalist, imperialist, sexist, racist, homophobe "businessmen of Sahaj Marg(tm)" or their new RELIGION.)
24 July 2011, D.J Park, Tiruppur, India
(...)
When you watch the old Mahabharata and things like that, I was shocked when rishi Jamadagni, a great saint, was killed by the swords of the four sons of the reigning king. (Huh? How wise can one be if one is shocked that even "spiritual" people (those who have "changed", or have no more need for change) die? Then, we have the following HOLY "revelation" by Chari: ) Spirituality does not guarantee freedom from pain, freedom from death, freedom from opposition, freedom from oppression from the government. It guarantees nothing of these. What does spirituality guarantee? (nothing??) Babuji Maharaj told me some twenty years ago, he said, “Dekho [Look], there is going to be destruction.” (Now that is simply silly and not a REVELATION at all!!) Even now, our Whispers messages that we are getting, there is always talk of destruction. I am waiting one day for at least some hopeful message – not as long as we don’t change. (Destruction and creation will happen whether one "little homo sapiens" changes or not ... GET REAL... stop telling LIES!!)
(...)
Comments by 4d-Don are in "red italics"
The lie here is that according to Chari, if one changes, then there will apparently be no "destruction". And then, he states the "contradiction". How "RELIGIOUS"... and how not REALITY and/or not SPIRITUAL.
In Sahaj Marg(tm), contradictions abound, as in most religions. And they think they (and the "indigo" children) will lead mankind in the future?? These spiritual charlatans will only attract the "un-thinking" star-struck fans of fantasies, fairy tales, sci-fi, and pure silliness who will do all the work and attract the un-suspecting (women) ... and/or the "power-addicted" who will profiteer from such masses of "co-dependence" (lustful and power-addicted men who are drawn to the MATERIAL and to the pyramids of subservient "serfs").
We Have a Duty to Our World
(We have a duty to tell the TRUTH and save (conserve) some of the resources of the planet for the next generation, not simply "develop" and profiteer from everything for the benefit of the nationalist, imperialist, sexist, racist, homophobe "businessmen of Sahaj Marg(tm)" or their new RELIGION.)
24 July 2011, D.J Park, Tiruppur, India
(...)
When you watch the old Mahabharata and things like that, I was shocked when rishi Jamadagni, a great saint, was killed by the swords of the four sons of the reigning king. (Huh? How wise can one be if one is shocked that even "spiritual" people (those who have "changed", or have no more need for change) die? Then, we have the following HOLY "revelation" by Chari: ) Spirituality does not guarantee freedom from pain, freedom from death, freedom from opposition, freedom from oppression from the government. It guarantees nothing of these. What does spirituality guarantee? (nothing??) Babuji Maharaj told me some twenty years ago, he said, “Dekho [Look], there is going to be destruction.” (Now that is simply silly and not a REVELATION at all!!) Even now, our Whispers messages that we are getting, there is always talk of destruction. I am waiting one day for at least some hopeful message – not as long as we don’t change. (Destruction and creation will happen whether one "little homo sapiens" changes or not ... GET REAL... stop telling LIES!!)
(...)
So you may determine, you see, and know for certain that there will be destruction; nothing on earth can stop it. (you got that right!) All the technological genius of the West and of Japan could not stop that tsunami. Don’t be fooled by what you read in the newspapers of an early warning system for tsunamis. (That "early warning system" is not to predict the earthquake which causes the tsunami, but for the tsunami itself which travels relatively slowly. This system could save some lives and is a "technological" reality NOW) It doesn’t exist. (not true... that is simply a "lie") When the powers of nature are awakened, birds and bees and ants, they know – but we don’t know. (how silly... commune with NATURE then or ask the "pump"!! ... Nature may "tell" you!! ) We rely on seismographs, we rely on hot news on the television, most of them lies. (lies is what comes from "RELIGION" and the so-called "gurus". ) Here, what is it here [the heart] that you are not looking to? Does this give you any disaster warning? (NO ... use your HEAD, and the technololgy, not the PUMP FOR BLOOD with it's "invented" power of "fore-knowledge")
Always look here [the heart] whenever you are afraid, whenever you are going off track. (lol lol ... get "truthful"!! Ask the PUMP for BLOOD (the heart) if one wants to THINK?? NO!! ) Babuji Maharaj always said, “Don’t trust this [head]. (But he trusted it!! And so do you!! ) It is only a thinking thing. It will give you information. (the heart is not a "thinking thing", and will only give information about the Blood and it's vascular system) It cannot tell you what is right or wrong. When you are in doubt, refer to the heart.” (The heart does not tell one what is "right or wrong" either ... Look at Sahaj Marg(tm) and their religious divisive, materialist, nationalist, imperialist, racist, homophobic, sexist, power addicted, and egotistical gurus and their divisive, stressed, depressed, etc... followers! )
I pray for His blessings on all of you today. Thank you. (I suppose that since you capitalize "His", you are meaning the MALE God of Sahaj Marg(tm), and if you mean Babuji, there is no capital needed ... and he is "deceased" ... He ain't blessing anyone and he is not "whispering" any predictions for the future ... Fantasies and religious fairy tales.... not Raja Yoga or SPIRITUALITY but very much: SPIRITUALISM !!
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Tuesday, August 16, 2011
Sahaj Marg(tm) Reflections On The Suicide Of An Abhyasi!
Taken from an article by cricri: "Reflexion autour d'un suicide", a research psychologist and psycho linguist, and an ex-abhyasi (of 18 years) of Chari. Taken from Elodie's blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg.
Cricri has a blog (French): Analyse de la SRCM
August 16, 2011
Reflections on a suicide
I received more details on the context of the suicide of Eugenyi from a mutual friend who met him a few days before the tragedy.
Some points are factual. Others are hypothetical.
Summary of the facts as they have been reported to me:
1) Eugenyi indulged excessively and passionately in the practice of meditation - several hours a day. So he was a good abhyasi, according to Chari's standards, as reflected in his speeches, since Eugenyi took into account the pressure and the urgency to evolve spiritually and the pressure to perform diligently and seriously as distilled by the agent, Chari, in his manipulative speeches.
2) About 4 years before his suicide, Eugenyi had begun to lose touch with reality. The phenomenon was amplified to be manifested by hallucinations will say some, and by the ability to exist consciously in the astral world and have all sorts of experiences at will, will be reported by Eugenyi. Eugenyi who had always had the ability of self-analysis, self-criticism and self-mockery, was unable to step back from his mental experiences, even with the influence of external sources (friends and family ).
3) Eugenyi has been rejected by the community of abhyasis of SRCMtm (Minsk, Belarus) when his psychiatric condition was found out. It seems that this rejection was due to directives from the upper levels of the pyramid of control.
4) It is this rejection by the community he had known for 15 years (slightly less than half of his life), which had become everything to him, which was associated with the meaning of his life as a means to achieve it, which plunged him into a deep depression leading to this act of destruction. We must remember how (i) the practice of SRCMtm weakens the individual by making it hyper-sensitive, (ii) the explicit and implicit mental indoctrination incurred as SRCMtm abolished the discriminative intelligence of the individual, and ( iii) the absolutism (ie excess) which transpires from each component of the megalomaniac SRCMtm under the influence of its chairman.
5) The method used by Eugenyi to kill himself left him no chance of escape. Hence, it was not a cry for help (failed suicide attempt, that is to say, leading to a effective suicide despite a desire not to actually kill oneself), but the manifestation of his absolute despair (jump from his apartment on the 10th floor).
Speculation explored during the discussions:
1) Some have argued that Eugenyi was initially psychologically fragile and that the practice of meditation on predisposed psychological grounds had triggered the crisis, in the same way that cannabis is known to trigger schizophrenia in susceptible adolescents. If this hypothesis were true, it would not have been 10 years (approximately) before the spiritual experiences of Eugenyi turned into hallucinations and the related phenomena. Such effects would have occurred more quickly, after only a few months of practice, as the psychotic decompensation occurs soon after taking cannabis in an adolescent predisposed to schizophrenia, not 10 years later. With such a latency, the practice followed / suffered by Eugenyi could only have been a trigger. It was probably more of a cause.
2) An alternative hypothesis is that the practice of meditation without proper spiritual guidance (that is to say, under the guidance of an incapable spiritual guide such as Chari or his incapble, mindless minions) has caused mental chaos in the abhyasi , which was amplified without the possibility of correction (no guide) as a result of the intensity of the practice. There is no doubt that with an appropriate spiritual leader, or at least dealing properly and responsibly with its abhyasis, an individual developing this type of error would have been extended in the direction of the Self. The failure of the SRCMtm on this individual was evidently a bad publicity for a predatory, expansionist, and cancerous organization, but also a potential source of doubt in the ranks of its followers, thus weakening the house (Mission). For these two strategic reasons, the leaders of the sect had to remove the source of wake-up calls as they have always done with any source of thought, dissent, or simply the truth. The rejection of Eugenyi by the cult is directly responsible for the crisis that followed.
3) The overreaction of the abhyasi reveals the power of the mental influence of the cult of the individual: the cult is everything, the indoctrinated individual who is rejected by the cult is nothing. The resulting despair leads him to prefer self-destruction instead of trying to rebuild his life and to continue his quest. Even that possibility no longer exists. The mental indoctrination imprinted on the individual by the Sri Rahhh javapala Chari-Mi-Sion tm, (Chari's SRCMtm?) is incredibly effective, and now we can say, life-threatening.
Useful or not to Eugenyi?
Useful or not for those who subscribe (adepts)?
Join the futile with the agreeable: Take Eugenyi with you in your prayers.
Cricri
See also;
Sahaj Marg(tm), Meditation, Depression, Hallucination, Suicide
A Tribute to a Deceased (suicide) Abhyasi of Sahaj Marg(tm)
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Cricri has a blog (French): Analyse de la SRCM
August 16, 2011
Reflections on a suicide
I received more details on the context of the suicide of Eugenyi from a mutual friend who met him a few days before the tragedy.
Some points are factual. Others are hypothetical.
Summary of the facts as they have been reported to me:
1) Eugenyi indulged excessively and passionately in the practice of meditation - several hours a day. So he was a good abhyasi, according to Chari's standards, as reflected in his speeches, since Eugenyi took into account the pressure and the urgency to evolve spiritually and the pressure to perform diligently and seriously as distilled by the agent, Chari, in his manipulative speeches.
2) About 4 years before his suicide, Eugenyi had begun to lose touch with reality. The phenomenon was amplified to be manifested by hallucinations will say some, and by the ability to exist consciously in the astral world and have all sorts of experiences at will, will be reported by Eugenyi. Eugenyi who had always had the ability of self-analysis, self-criticism and self-mockery, was unable to step back from his mental experiences, even with the influence of external sources (friends and family ).
3) Eugenyi has been rejected by the community of abhyasis of SRCMtm (Minsk, Belarus) when his psychiatric condition was found out. It seems that this rejection was due to directives from the upper levels of the pyramid of control.
4) It is this rejection by the community he had known for 15 years (slightly less than half of his life), which had become everything to him, which was associated with the meaning of his life as a means to achieve it, which plunged him into a deep depression leading to this act of destruction. We must remember how (i) the practice of SRCMtm weakens the individual by making it hyper-sensitive, (ii) the explicit and implicit mental indoctrination incurred as SRCMtm abolished the discriminative intelligence of the individual, and ( iii) the absolutism (ie excess) which transpires from each component of the megalomaniac SRCMtm under the influence of its chairman.
5) The method used by Eugenyi to kill himself left him no chance of escape. Hence, it was not a cry for help (failed suicide attempt, that is to say, leading to a effective suicide despite a desire not to actually kill oneself), but the manifestation of his absolute despair (jump from his apartment on the 10th floor).
Speculation explored during the discussions:
1) Some have argued that Eugenyi was initially psychologically fragile and that the practice of meditation on predisposed psychological grounds had triggered the crisis, in the same way that cannabis is known to trigger schizophrenia in susceptible adolescents. If this hypothesis were true, it would not have been 10 years (approximately) before the spiritual experiences of Eugenyi turned into hallucinations and the related phenomena. Such effects would have occurred more quickly, after only a few months of practice, as the psychotic decompensation occurs soon after taking cannabis in an adolescent predisposed to schizophrenia, not 10 years later. With such a latency, the practice followed / suffered by Eugenyi could only have been a trigger. It was probably more of a cause.
2) An alternative hypothesis is that the practice of meditation without proper spiritual guidance (that is to say, under the guidance of an incapable spiritual guide such as Chari or his incapble, mindless minions) has caused mental chaos in the abhyasi , which was amplified without the possibility of correction (no guide) as a result of the intensity of the practice. There is no doubt that with an appropriate spiritual leader, or at least dealing properly and responsibly with its abhyasis, an individual developing this type of error would have been extended in the direction of the Self. The failure of the SRCMtm on this individual was evidently a bad publicity for a predatory, expansionist, and cancerous organization, but also a potential source of doubt in the ranks of its followers, thus weakening the house (Mission). For these two strategic reasons, the leaders of the sect had to remove the source of wake-up calls as they have always done with any source of thought, dissent, or simply the truth. The rejection of Eugenyi by the cult is directly responsible for the crisis that followed.
3) The overreaction of the abhyasi reveals the power of the mental influence of the cult of the individual: the cult is everything, the indoctrinated individual who is rejected by the cult is nothing. The resulting despair leads him to prefer self-destruction instead of trying to rebuild his life and to continue his quest. Even that possibility no longer exists. The mental indoctrination imprinted on the individual by the Sri Rahhh javapala Chari-Mi-Sion tm, (Chari's SRCMtm?) is incredibly effective, and now we can say, life-threatening.
Useful or not to Eugenyi?
Useful or not for those who subscribe (adepts)?
Join the futile with the agreeable: Take Eugenyi with you in your prayers.
Cricri
See also;
Sahaj Marg(tm), Meditation, Depression, Hallucination, Suicide
A Tribute to a Deceased (suicide) Abhyasi of Sahaj Marg(tm)
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Saturday, May 28, 2011
Sahaj Marg(tm) And Whispers. A Manipulative Rhetoric!
Taken from an article: "Whspers, Une Rhétorique Manipulatoire", by Alexis on Elodie's blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg.
(Additions and inserts for clarity and translation by 4d-Don are in "red italics")
May 27, 2011
Whispers, a Manipulative Rhetoric
Babuji said ...
In recent years, Whispers has imposed itself gradually as the main vehicle for the philosophy of Sahaj Marg, its life's project and its future. With "A Whisper a Day", it seems to appear every day while the speeches of Chari become rarer. Babuji dethrones Chari, the latter himself describing "Whispers" as the New Bible of Sahaj Marg. (see Securing the Future of the Mission, Tiruppur, April 30, 2005)
The daily reading of these messages from a Babuji beyond the grave, relayed by an anonymous medium, gives an overview of today's world, and the future world he hopes and prays for, which is truly impressive. Just as it also appears as a watermark to indoctrinate the reader, it is just as impressive if not more.
Babuji depicts (almost) with envy, the darkness of our world, almost without restraint and with exaggeration, as if he relishes it. He exacerbates the fears so as to better impose his way to happiness. A happiness barely unveiled, and with mysterious trappings. An unverifiable truth repeated tirelessly to better permeate the minds. A solution based on worship (adoration) and requiring total obedience. Offered to all, but of which only an elite will be able to seize ...
It is a manipulative rhetoric perfectly developed, which incorporates all the mechanisms observed and described by the proponents of the "psychology of crowds", from Le Bon to Moscovici through to Freud, there is more than a century already.
Gustave Le Bon said: "[the leaders (controllers)] have primarily recourse to three very distinct processes: affirmation, repetition, contagion. (...) The statement pure and simple, devoid of all reasoning and all proof, is one of the surest ways of penetrating an idea into the mind of crowds. The statement pure and simple, the more it is devoid of any semblance of evidence and proof, the more it is "autoritative". Religious books and the codes of all ages have always proceeded by mere assertion. (...) The claim, however, has only real influence on the condition of being constantly repeated, and as much as possible, and using the same terms. (...) "
Serge Moscovici added: "(...) to compose a total vision of the world, which pales the fragmented and divided vision of each individual science, technology and of which, each has knowledge in general. There exists, in the depths of human nature, a elementary need to harmonize, in the womb of a perfect togetherness, everything which, in our experience, appears to us inconsistent and inexplicable. "
Or again: "(...) The religions recognize the aspiration for happiness, the need for protection which men experience since childhood. After having painted with the darkest colors the forces which threaten them, they offer a solution. (...) So these are then religions of hope. They guarantee to men that they will emerge victorious (and definitely), from their torments, provided they identify with the ideal that transcends them, and that they respect the prescriptions which are laid down. "
To better become aware of this clever manipulation of everyday life, nothing beats reading at "water level", the messages from Whispers; I urge you to do so.
Here's an example with some extracts all chosen very subjectively during the single month of July, 2004.
Babuji said ...
"This civilization is destructive, it seems nothing can stop it in this world; God's laws, and they alone will be able to remedy (the situation). [3 / 07]
(...)
The future of the earth is written as part of a larger plan for the entire universe. (...) This civilization is going too far in its prerogatives and endangers an entire balance, regardless of the consequences. To this day, the movement has become irreversible, it is for everyone to be aware and act in the light of the situation. May humanity react in time to limit the destructive phenomenon! [15/07]
(...)
The strength of a path like ours grows in proportion to its egregore, itself increasing in power. (...) This movement is not ephemeral, all can be reassured: this "multinational" does not risk a decline. [22/07]
(...)
Its expansion is programmed this way, it begins a long cycle which is not nearly over. It is inscribed in the advent of a new era in which humanity should finally find its way: that of the spirit as a priority, managing to erase the darkness of the world. Such a change is prepared well in advance. It is planned in the context of major changes that go far beyond this planet, we can not yet reveal the strategy. (...) Humanity, finding itself at a tipping point in its history, an opportunity is given to seekers to rise in the path of realization. [23/07]
(...)
We must prepare our aspirants to the major changes that will occur on earth. (...) We need to shake them up even if the unknown repels them, including these messages from another world, this principle not being necessarily accepted by all. [27/07]
(...)
Inevitably, time does its work and traces the furrow of the future, where the role of the Mission will affirm itself in the world, where great figures will represent the Master in many countries. [29/07]
(...)
Thus, the great sage can address his/her disciple and let him/her glimpse where the treasure is hidden. "Many are called but few are chosen", say the Scriptures. The road is arid, and only the strong and determined souls will succeed. Sahaj Marg is a path, a means offered to humans who are interested and able to seize the opportunity offered to them, to move forward on this narrow path full of pitfalls. Many will succeed. Has it not been given to the world to respond to a deep call, characteristic of times which are being preparing, for a radical transformation? We will be more than ever at the heart of this vast movement of hope and liberation for a humanity in the throes of evil. [30/07]
(...) "
Alexis
See also:
Social Psychologie to the Rescue (by Alexis, in French)
Chari Of Sahaj Marg(tm) And the Psychology of Crowds
.
.
(Additions and inserts for clarity and translation by 4d-Don are in "red italics")
May 27, 2011
Whispers, a Manipulative Rhetoric
Babuji said ...
In recent years, Whispers has imposed itself gradually as the main vehicle for the philosophy of Sahaj Marg, its life's project and its future. With "A Whisper a Day", it seems to appear every day while the speeches of Chari become rarer. Babuji dethrones Chari, the latter himself describing "Whispers" as the New Bible of Sahaj Marg. (see Securing the Future of the Mission, Tiruppur, April 30, 2005)
The daily reading of these messages from a Babuji beyond the grave, relayed by an anonymous medium, gives an overview of today's world, and the future world he hopes and prays for, which is truly impressive. Just as it also appears as a watermark to indoctrinate the reader, it is just as impressive if not more.
Babuji depicts (almost) with envy, the darkness of our world, almost without restraint and with exaggeration, as if he relishes it. He exacerbates the fears so as to better impose his way to happiness. A happiness barely unveiled, and with mysterious trappings. An unverifiable truth repeated tirelessly to better permeate the minds. A solution based on worship (adoration) and requiring total obedience. Offered to all, but of which only an elite will be able to seize ...
It is a manipulative rhetoric perfectly developed, which incorporates all the mechanisms observed and described by the proponents of the "psychology of crowds", from Le Bon to Moscovici through to Freud, there is more than a century already.
Gustave Le Bon said: "[the leaders (controllers)] have primarily recourse to three very distinct processes: affirmation, repetition, contagion. (...) The statement pure and simple, devoid of all reasoning and all proof, is one of the surest ways of penetrating an idea into the mind of crowds. The statement pure and simple, the more it is devoid of any semblance of evidence and proof, the more it is "autoritative". Religious books and the codes of all ages have always proceeded by mere assertion. (...) The claim, however, has only real influence on the condition of being constantly repeated, and as much as possible, and using the same terms. (...) "
Serge Moscovici added: "(...) to compose a total vision of the world, which pales the fragmented and divided vision of each individual science, technology and of which, each has knowledge in general. There exists, in the depths of human nature, a elementary need to harmonize, in the womb of a perfect togetherness, everything which, in our experience, appears to us inconsistent and inexplicable. "
Or again: "(...) The religions recognize the aspiration for happiness, the need for protection which men experience since childhood. After having painted with the darkest colors the forces which threaten them, they offer a solution. (...) So these are then religions of hope. They guarantee to men that they will emerge victorious (and definitely), from their torments, provided they identify with the ideal that transcends them, and that they respect the prescriptions which are laid down. "
To better become aware of this clever manipulation of everyday life, nothing beats reading at "water level", the messages from Whispers; I urge you to do so.
Here's an example with some extracts all chosen very subjectively during the single month of July, 2004.
Babuji said ...
"This civilization is destructive, it seems nothing can stop it in this world; God's laws, and they alone will be able to remedy (the situation). [3 / 07]
(...)
The future of the earth is written as part of a larger plan for the entire universe. (...) This civilization is going too far in its prerogatives and endangers an entire balance, regardless of the consequences. To this day, the movement has become irreversible, it is for everyone to be aware and act in the light of the situation. May humanity react in time to limit the destructive phenomenon! [15/07]
(...)
The strength of a path like ours grows in proportion to its egregore, itself increasing in power. (...) This movement is not ephemeral, all can be reassured: this "multinational" does not risk a decline. [22/07]
(...)
Its expansion is programmed this way, it begins a long cycle which is not nearly over. It is inscribed in the advent of a new era in which humanity should finally find its way: that of the spirit as a priority, managing to erase the darkness of the world. Such a change is prepared well in advance. It is planned in the context of major changes that go far beyond this planet, we can not yet reveal the strategy. (...) Humanity, finding itself at a tipping point in its history, an opportunity is given to seekers to rise in the path of realization. [23/07]
(...)
We must prepare our aspirants to the major changes that will occur on earth. (...) We need to shake them up even if the unknown repels them, including these messages from another world, this principle not being necessarily accepted by all. [27/07]
(...)
Inevitably, time does its work and traces the furrow of the future, where the role of the Mission will affirm itself in the world, where great figures will represent the Master in many countries. [29/07]
(...)
Thus, the great sage can address his/her disciple and let him/her glimpse where the treasure is hidden. "Many are called but few are chosen", say the Scriptures. The road is arid, and only the strong and determined souls will succeed. Sahaj Marg is a path, a means offered to humans who are interested and able to seize the opportunity offered to them, to move forward on this narrow path full of pitfalls. Many will succeed. Has it not been given to the world to respond to a deep call, characteristic of times which are being preparing, for a radical transformation? We will be more than ever at the heart of this vast movement of hope and liberation for a humanity in the throes of evil. [30/07]
(...) "
Alexis
See also:
Social Psychologie to the Rescue (by Alexis, in French)
Chari Of Sahaj Marg(tm) And the Psychology of Crowds
.
.
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