Taken from an article by Élodie: "Personalité Divine", on her blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg.
October 14, 2013
Divine Personality
From: Whispers from The Brighter World of Chari, to the "Astral Transmission" of Chillapa from "Institute of Universal Self-Consciousness Movement (IUSCM)", or the "Divine Administration" by the followers of Sister Kasturi, one swims in delirium.
Whatever the personality who speaks, whatever the organization, Sahaj Marg reveals an apocalyptic and frightening vision of the world of the future.
Ultimate reality, control of the universe and its total destruction are elements of the Divine Plan developed in the Frankensteinian laboratories of Sahaj Marg.
Here's a final example given on 09/10/2013 by "Ek abhyasi", disciple of Sister Kasturi. These are Excerpts of the words of Babuji as reported by him in "Divine Administration":
“Infinite or Ultimate Reality is the only Power. The creation
and destruction are automatic following one another after a required
interval of time as decided by the Ultimate Reality. God does not have
mind otherwise He too will have to undergo the process of Bhoga of
Sanskaras. God is pure power. As per plan of Nature there has always
been a Divine Personality in human form to control the entire Universe.
He possesses the Divine power as required in the circumstances. He comes
in front only when there is a Divine necessity, otherwise He passes
away unnoticed from this world. Though God always keeps a watch on the
entire Universe, yet there is a freedom of action to all human beings.
Divine intervention comes only when man crosses the limits in any field.
In such cases Nature starts repairing work. A situation comes when even
the limit of repairing work exhausts and in that case Nature adopts the
process of destruction. At the time of total destruction, nothing
remains and even the identities merge in the Ultimate Reality. Then
again re-construction of the Universe starts. The cyclic process of
Birth, Growth and Decay goes on.”
(...)
“ Normally a Divine personality controls the universe.
Incarnations come down rarely. Special Divine personality descends on
earth once only at the time of close of chapter of the Universe with
maximum powers possible in human form. He is nearest to the
Centre/Absolute Reality. He may remain in human form or not but his
control and regime extends upto Mahapralaya. The other Personality or
Incarnation in human form works under the guidance of Special
Personality. All are to help in the execution of His Divine Plan.”
I thought Sister Kasturi more sane than Chari, I thought Sahaj Marg could be an interesting form of spirituality. In reality, there is nothing to save, no one to trust and focus on. All the disciples of Babuji agree on the Apocalypse and destruction to regenerate humanity.
The Sahaj Marg of Babuji and his disciples, whoever they are, is a pseudo-spiritual system, terribly far from any personal fulfillment, except for dreaming about the end of the world.
Better go back to a simple individual spiritual quest.
Élodie
Showing posts with label apocalypse. Show all posts
Showing posts with label apocalypse. Show all posts
Monday, October 14, 2013
Wednesday, August 07, 2013
The Apocapypse and Sahaj Marg(tm)
Translation of an article by Alexis, "Apocalypse et Sahaj Marg", on his blog: "Projet Sahaj Marg" in Europe.
Aug. 7, 2013
Apocalypse and Sahaj Marg (tm)
Excerpts from the presentation of Roxana-Malina Chirilă during the conference of FECRIS "Apocalyptic Sects: Failed Utopias and the Consequence for Adherents" in Perpignan, (France), on October 13, 2012, in Bulles No. 118 (The Magazine of UNADFI).
(...)
"An Apocalypse is an emotional affair. I do not here use the word "Apocalypse" in its usual sense of catastrophe (disappearance of man, the destruction of civilization, the end of our world). I mean the phenomenon that occurs when a sect integrates the end of the world into its doctrine: one is preparing for a very specific Apocalypse, which is part of the mentality and the everyday life of a small group of people.
The Apocalypse then presents itself as a specific response to some universal questions related to the fear of death, translated into death and destruction on a large scale, it may, paradoxically, give the individual the impression of having a better control over his own destiny.
This Apocalypse is a judgment which will decide once and for all who are virtuous and who are sinners, who had the good faith and the bad. It gives one the opportunity to fight evil and to prove that one is a savior, a deserving person or a hero able to face any challenge.
In sects, apocalypses are many and varied depending on the specific teaching of each. The heart of the various scenarios of doom, however, remains the same and generally forms a knot of emotion, of senses, concepts, desires and fears. In my opinion, to begin to defuse the concept of the Apocalypse it is generally not sufficient to provide evidence against the theory of the Apocalypse cherished by the group. It is also necessary to understand how the members came to believe that Apocalypse then, and what it means for each of them."
(...)
On the eve of the year 2000, a French newspaper had mistakenly believed that SRCM was being monitored by the General Information, because of its apocalyptic character. At the time, to confuse this meditation movement with an apocalyptic cult was a mistake. Today, things are much more confusing ...
"Apocalypse" does not only mean the end of the world. The Apocalypse is also a prophetic narrative in which divine revelation is made to man. Revelation of an invisible spiritual reality, inaccessible to the common experience, but critical (determinant?) to the human destiny. The Apocalypse will save the world, it announces the imminence of a new spiritual world while the old world comes to an end. The Apocalypse is also marked by the last judgment and the wrath of God, a divine intervention that judge the wicked and the damned to better reward the elite (chosen?) by offering them salvation. After the disaster comes the era of the survivors, the reconstruction and the rebirth ...
As the Christian religion has its Apocalypse of St. John, the SRCM has also had its Apocalypse for 8 years now, since the beginning of the publication in 2005 of "Whispers from the Brighter World" reportedly by an anonymous French (lady) medium and supposedly dictated by Babuji.
If the abhyasis had been able to undertake the same spiritual journey as Kasturi Chaturvedi, the only saint of Sahaj Marg, Chari would never have needed to publish the whispers of the Apocalypse. But Chari and his preceptors are unable to provide sufficient experience to hold the abhyasis for long enough in the womb of the Mission. Hence the publication of these revelations, daily apocalyptic whispers from another more "brighter" world ...
Faced with so many problems and uncertainties in our societies, and faced with a deep dissatisfaction vis-à-vis the current world situation, apocalypticism responds to some basic human needs. To believe that one knows the objective being pursued, and to imagine being part of an elite who can be the saved who will then re-build the world, has something to seduce even the most lost and to relegate their feelings of impotence into forgetfulness.
Without failing to adhere to the system of meditation of the SRCM, the abhyasis want to believe they are involved in shaping the future and will be the (chosen?) elite of the future. But even this is far from being "a given", as their Chari on July 22nd, in his speech said: "It all depends on You" (Guru Purnima Day). When the Mission had 4 to 5,000 abhyasis, Babuji would allegedly have told him that only 2 or 3 abhyasis would accompany him into the Brighter World
"(...) I said," Babuji, I know from my own little experience of Sahaj Marg that finally I think you will be the only person to go to the brighter world "- from the four or five thousand at that time who were abhyasis . He said, "Yes, it looks like it. Maybe two or three more." You see, what he said? - Himself, plus maybe two or three more! (...) "
Must Chari be one of those 2 or 3 people? Nothing is less certain ...
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Aug. 7, 2013
Apocalypse and Sahaj Marg (tm)
Excerpts from the presentation of Roxana-Malina Chirilă during the conference of FECRIS "Apocalyptic Sects: Failed Utopias and the Consequence for Adherents" in Perpignan, (France), on October 13, 2012, in Bulles No. 118 (The Magazine of UNADFI).
(...)
"An Apocalypse is an emotional affair. I do not here use the word "Apocalypse" in its usual sense of catastrophe (disappearance of man, the destruction of civilization, the end of our world). I mean the phenomenon that occurs when a sect integrates the end of the world into its doctrine: one is preparing for a very specific Apocalypse, which is part of the mentality and the everyday life of a small group of people.
The Apocalypse then presents itself as a specific response to some universal questions related to the fear of death, translated into death and destruction on a large scale, it may, paradoxically, give the individual the impression of having a better control over his own destiny.
This Apocalypse is a judgment which will decide once and for all who are virtuous and who are sinners, who had the good faith and the bad. It gives one the opportunity to fight evil and to prove that one is a savior, a deserving person or a hero able to face any challenge.
In sects, apocalypses are many and varied depending on the specific teaching of each. The heart of the various scenarios of doom, however, remains the same and generally forms a knot of emotion, of senses, concepts, desires and fears. In my opinion, to begin to defuse the concept of the Apocalypse it is generally not sufficient to provide evidence against the theory of the Apocalypse cherished by the group. It is also necessary to understand how the members came to believe that Apocalypse then, and what it means for each of them."
(...)
On the eve of the year 2000, a French newspaper had mistakenly believed that SRCM was being monitored by the General Information, because of its apocalyptic character. At the time, to confuse this meditation movement with an apocalyptic cult was a mistake. Today, things are much more confusing ...
"Apocalypse" does not only mean the end of the world. The Apocalypse is also a prophetic narrative in which divine revelation is made to man. Revelation of an invisible spiritual reality, inaccessible to the common experience, but critical (determinant?) to the human destiny. The Apocalypse will save the world, it announces the imminence of a new spiritual world while the old world comes to an end. The Apocalypse is also marked by the last judgment and the wrath of God, a divine intervention that judge the wicked and the damned to better reward the elite (chosen?) by offering them salvation. After the disaster comes the era of the survivors, the reconstruction and the rebirth ...
As the Christian religion has its Apocalypse of St. John, the SRCM has also had its Apocalypse for 8 years now, since the beginning of the publication in 2005 of "Whispers from the Brighter World" reportedly by an anonymous French (lady) medium and supposedly dictated by Babuji.
If the abhyasis had been able to undertake the same spiritual journey as Kasturi Chaturvedi, the only saint of Sahaj Marg, Chari would never have needed to publish the whispers of the Apocalypse. But Chari and his preceptors are unable to provide sufficient experience to hold the abhyasis for long enough in the womb of the Mission. Hence the publication of these revelations, daily apocalyptic whispers from another more "brighter" world ...
Faced with so many problems and uncertainties in our societies, and faced with a deep dissatisfaction vis-à-vis the current world situation, apocalypticism responds to some basic human needs. To believe that one knows the objective being pursued, and to imagine being part of an elite who can be the saved who will then re-build the world, has something to seduce even the most lost and to relegate their feelings of impotence into forgetfulness.
Without failing to adhere to the system of meditation of the SRCM, the abhyasis want to believe they are involved in shaping the future and will be the (chosen?) elite of the future. But even this is far from being "a given", as their Chari on July 22nd, in his speech said: "It all depends on You" (Guru Purnima Day). When the Mission had 4 to 5,000 abhyasis, Babuji would allegedly have told him that only 2 or 3 abhyasis would accompany him into the Brighter World
"(...) I said," Babuji, I know from my own little experience of Sahaj Marg that finally I think you will be the only person to go to the brighter world "- from the four or five thousand at that time who were abhyasis . He said, "Yes, it looks like it. Maybe two or three more." You see, what he said? - Himself, plus maybe two or three more! (...) "
Must Chari be one of those 2 or 3 people? Nothing is less certain ...
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Thursday, June 07, 2012
Is Sahaj Marg(tm) Apocalyptic? Is it the APOCALYPSE?
Taken (and edited) from a comment by Alexis on Elodies blog in France: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg
Is Sahaj Marg a "doomsday cult" of a "special personality"?
For those who claim that Shri Ram Chandra (California-1997), is not "apocalyptic", here is an exerpt from Chari's book, "He, the Hookah and I"...You decide if that is APOCALYPTIC and if you want that taught to (or brainwashed into) the children ... To make them feel safe? Maybe SRCM can teach the children that they will be "RAPTURED" up to the Brighter World while the devastation is taking place on all of US down here!! Does that sound "Christian", elitist, religious and/or APOCALYPTIC enough for you?? But really, is there not always a DISASTER waiting to happen? Should SPIRITUALITY focus on DISASTERS and DESTRUCTION rather than on SPIRIT ? SPIRIT which is ONE with ALL??
The drifting into apocalypticism seems to be complete. SRCM seems to be fully APOCALYPTIC! It is now deemed in Europe to be a "harmful (apocalyptic) sect" ... the apocalyptic cult of a person. Are these not the correct words to use to describe this group with their anonymous "medium" who gets her/his messages from the so-called "spirits of the deceased". And what about their constant prayers for a "favourable egregore" (2) (3)?
Their anonymous French lady Medium apparently does not only receive "whispers" (messages) from the deceased founder of this cult of a "special personality", but also from many other so-called "elevated souls" including Chari's mother, Chari's wife, and some unknown "beings of light". Isn't that just SPECIAL?
That would make SRCM(California-1997) and Sahaj Marg(tm) "SPIRITUALISM", not SPIRITUALITY. Sahaj Marg(tm)'s Spiritualism is certainly not part of the "eightfold path" of Patanjali's Raja Yoga, which they falsely claim to be because they "meditate" (which is step # 7 of Patanjali's eightfold path). That is like claiming that because one prays, one can claim to be "Christian". NOT!!
From Chari's Book "He, the Hookah and I"... (Babuji Smoked the hookah ... addicted?)
(…)
"As you had read in Whispers (from the Brighter World), Babuji keeps talking about an imminent cataclysm of nature, a large imminent destruction, a terrible imminent destruction , a horrific imminent destruction. And I still get messages like that. In the most recent message, he asked me, he told me, he urged me to make sure that our preceptors, our abhyasis were absolutely progressing before it is too late, (this is for all of you who will see this film), today or tomorrow or at least during the course of your life when you still have energy to work on your self . He said: "Make sure that our abhyasis are progressing before it is too late. Because a cataclysm will soon happen on this earth, of an unimaginable scale. This is not a threat. This is a promise that if you do what you have to do, what I say, you will be saved from this cataclysm of these horrors that they (?) prepare and that will engulf humanity in an explosion, an absolute devastation and killing 'extinction'. "
In France in 1999, the General Information bureau kept observations on several doomsday cults with attention to prevent further "Solar Temple" type massacres (mass suicides) in California, at the time of the transition to the year 2000.
A newspaper (in Europe) had published the list of sects (cults), to the dismay of the General Information bureau. Surprise! The SRCM was part of that list. It was claimed at the time that it was due to a mistake.
If ever Chari continues to offer such arguments, he would soon have to review our evidence in the light of the above exerpt, which would lead us to classify the SRCM as a movement with apparent apocalyptic tendencies! ;-))
See also:
Why Does Sahaj Marg use an EGREGORE? A Freemason Perspective!
Lack of Oxygen, The Cause of the "Spiritual Experience" at SRCM (California-1997)?
What is an Egregore? Is it part of Raja Yoga?
Sahaj Marg and Whispers: Decryption... Apocalypse? Punishment from God??
.
.
.
Is Sahaj Marg a "doomsday cult" of a "special personality"?
For those who claim that Shri Ram Chandra (California-1997), is not "apocalyptic", here is an exerpt from Chari's book, "He, the Hookah and I"...You decide if that is APOCALYPTIC and if you want that taught to (or brainwashed into) the children ... To make them feel safe? Maybe SRCM can teach the children that they will be "RAPTURED" up to the Brighter World while the devastation is taking place on all of US down here!! Does that sound "Christian", elitist, religious and/or APOCALYPTIC enough for you?? But really, is there not always a DISASTER waiting to happen? Should SPIRITUALITY focus on DISASTERS and DESTRUCTION rather than on SPIRIT ? SPIRIT which is ONE with ALL??
The drifting into apocalypticism seems to be complete. SRCM seems to be fully APOCALYPTIC! It is now deemed in Europe to be a "harmful (apocalyptic) sect" ... the apocalyptic cult of a person. Are these not the correct words to use to describe this group with their anonymous "medium" who gets her/his messages from the so-called "spirits of the deceased". And what about their constant prayers for a "favourable egregore" (2) (3)?
Their anonymous French lady Medium apparently does not only receive "whispers" (messages) from the deceased founder of this cult of a "special personality", but also from many other so-called "elevated souls" including Chari's mother, Chari's wife, and some unknown "beings of light". Isn't that just SPECIAL?
That would make SRCM(California-1997) and Sahaj Marg(tm) "SPIRITUALISM", not SPIRITUALITY. Sahaj Marg(tm)'s Spiritualism is certainly not part of the "eightfold path" of Patanjali's Raja Yoga, which they falsely claim to be because they "meditate" (which is step # 7 of Patanjali's eightfold path). That is like claiming that because one prays, one can claim to be "Christian". NOT!!
From Chari's Book "He, the Hookah and I"... (Babuji Smoked the hookah ... addicted?)
(…)
"As you had read in Whispers (from the Brighter World), Babuji keeps talking about an imminent cataclysm of nature, a large imminent destruction, a terrible imminent destruction , a horrific imminent destruction. And I still get messages like that. In the most recent message, he asked me, he told me, he urged me to make sure that our preceptors, our abhyasis were absolutely progressing before it is too late, (this is for all of you who will see this film), today or tomorrow or at least during the course of your life when you still have energy to work on your self . He said: "Make sure that our abhyasis are progressing before it is too late. Because a cataclysm will soon happen on this earth, of an unimaginable scale. This is not a threat. This is a promise that if you do what you have to do, what I say, you will be saved from this cataclysm of these horrors that they (?) prepare and that will engulf humanity in an explosion, an absolute devastation and killing 'extinction'. "
In France in 1999, the General Information bureau kept observations on several doomsday cults with attention to prevent further "Solar Temple" type massacres (mass suicides) in California, at the time of the transition to the year 2000.
A newspaper (in Europe) had published the list of sects (cults), to the dismay of the General Information bureau. Surprise! The SRCM was part of that list. It was claimed at the time that it was due to a mistake.
If ever Chari continues to offer such arguments, he would soon have to review our evidence in the light of the above exerpt, which would lead us to classify the SRCM as a movement with apparent apocalyptic tendencies! ;-))
See also:
Why Does Sahaj Marg use an EGREGORE? A Freemason Perspective!
Lack of Oxygen, The Cause of the "Spiritual Experience" at SRCM (California-1997)?
What is an Egregore? Is it part of Raja Yoga?
Sahaj Marg and Whispers: Decryption... Apocalypse? Punishment from God??
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Monday, November 28, 2011
Sahaj Marg(tm) and Whispers: A new RACE!!
Taken and translated from a comment by Alexis on Élodie's blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg.
Inserts and additions by 4d-don are in "red italics"
READ if you dare:
Take your pick. Sahaj Marg has come from "a modified Raja Yoga" (starting at step #7 of the "eighfold path"), to a usurped SUFISM (Lalaji), and now with Chari's Spiritualism, to interventions by either: Aliens(extra-terrestrials), egregores, spirits, New Age agents, Indigo Children, an ELITE, God and the Natural Laws, etc..etc.. etc... (as merrily we go along)
Sahaj Marg is one not-so "unique" APOCALYPTIC MESS!! Or Sahaj Marg(tm) is everything to everyone ... or NOTHING unique or special to ALL ... same old, same old !!
The solution: A New Race of Individuals
Whispers: Decryption (3)
Mankind races to its ruin, divine punishment is coming, it will be the Apocalypse. But a new race (a Master Race??) is on the horizon ...
(Quotes from Whispers From The Brighter World, Sahaj Marg (tm)'s Bible, according to Chari, as channeled by an anonymous French Lady Medium)
"Another race, more resistant and with a strong sense of extrasensory perception, will establish a world that would surprise most men now living. " (02/25/01) -
" A new race of individuals, characterized by a wider perceptions that this one, will open itself to spaces of knowledge much more advanced. There are already legions of them on earth, this gifted precursor race, which will help shatter the intellectual rigor, slowing the evolution of the beings of this world. " (31/10/03)
" Upheavals without name will occur and will have to be produced to clean up this world, leaving a long enough time to emerge finally the chosen (elite?) race, capable of establishing a new world corresponding to the expected standards. (...) A new race is at work (...). " (10/11/03)
" The Received Messages constitute by themselves alone, the single teachings suitable for the elite souls emerging in these times of the advent of a new era. They will be understood, appreciated, and they will become, in our path, a reference point. Minds (spirits?), more and more will open to a reality somewhat surpassing also (by) a little, that of our brothers presently. The future times are being prepared and we will not be left behind. The souls incarnated in this view (optics?) , will seek a teaching which suits them in all respects. Those whom you call the Indigo children will not accomodate outdated concepts. They seek a vibrational niche suitable to the subtlety of their ethereal bodies. Many of these people already live in this world. They struggle to integrate into existing systems, for them devoid of interest most of the time. They arrive at a pivotal time in the history of the world and are different, hence often misunderstood, like everything that can be distinguished from the multitude. These people will gather and unite to recreate an environment which will give them satisfaction. They are pacifists, spiritually evolved, they will go to the point, of course, without hesitation, wisdom, for the most part is innate. A time will come when the number of these people will grow to form an elite regenerating humanity and guiding the less fortunate. Everything is written and wanted thusly. May all be blessed! " (30/06/04)
" As the great sage may address his disciple and give a glimpse of where the treasure is hidden. "Many are called but few are chosen", say the Scriptures. The road is arid, only the strong and determined souls succeed. Sahaj Marg is a path, a means offered for humans who are interested and able to seize the opportunity offered to them, to move forward on this narrow path full of pitfalls. Many succeed. Has it not been given to the world to respond to a profound call characteristic of the times which are being prepared, with a view on a radical transformation? We will be more than ever at the heart of this vast movement, carrier of hope and liberation of a humanity, which is as a prey in the throes of evil. " (30/07/04)
Let us Summarize, paraphrase!
All is not lost. An elite group composed of gifted souls is already at work. Members of the new chosen people on earth are already legion. They are more resistant and they have larger ESP. They are different, so often misunderstood. They are struggling to integrate.
They do not adapt to outdated concepts, they will open up a space for more advanced knowledge, because they have the innate wisdom. They seek a niche suitable for subtle vibration of their ethereal bodies. They are pacifists and spiritually evolved. They help to break the rigor of the intellectual environment. They will unite to form an elite that will regenerate humanity, because they are able to establish a new world. Surprising!
They will become a reference point for all those who follow the path of Sahaj Marg, where they will be understood and appreciated. For Sahaj Marg is at the heart of this movement of hope and liberation. It offers a way for humans to move forward on this narrow road full of pitfalls, where many are called but few are chosen.
"Everything is written and wanted thusly".
Words have meaning!
Let us first stop and examine the language: a new race, an elite of souls will regenerate humanity. The words of whispers are terribly connotations. They recall the dark days of racism and eugenics that have raged in the late 19th and first half of the 20th century.
This is far from trivial, because it would have been possible just as well to say that mankind had not completed its evolution, that it was at work right now, with the development of new spiritual abilities. What the people of Sahaj Marg have already qualified themselves as involutive evolution towards the state invertendo or transpersonal.
But now, instead of using the scientific language of the theory of evolution or the language of the current transpersonal psychology, whispers revives eugenics.
Babuji Judeo-Christian
Man is evil, he runs to his ruin, divine retribution comes, and will unleash cataclysms, it will be the Apocalypse. But in his great goodness, God will save humanity with the new race supported by the SRCM looming on the horizon ... as he allowed Noah's Ark at the heart of the Flood!
The chosen race can not be integrated because they are different, only in Sahaj Marg is it understood and appreciated, because that is where the way of the future is, the way to reach this new race, perhaps even to join. Sahaj Marg is the solution. The Whispers of Babuji borrows all its codes from Judaism and Christianity. It adheres typically to the letter, the Judeo-Christian discourse. It is not surprising when you consider that the medium is French, a Westerner herself nursed from the bottle of a Judeo-Christian culture.
Many are called but few are chosen?
An elite will save the world: there are many called but few are chosen, except that many will succeed. Here we are again faced with one of the many contradictions of Sahaj Marg.
The SRCM is a private club reserved for the elite. Moreover, these messages are addressed to "Members of the brotherhood of man." The road is narrow and full of pitfalls. There are many who are called but few who are chosen. In short, you're lucky to be part of this elite which is not given to everyone, you should feel happy. You are part of the Club ...
Elitism is an attitude which is essential for all groups so as to strengthen the internal cohesion and to make people who are outside want to enter. SRCM cultivates very well with this elitism with its supposedly unique and unparalleled method! Yes, but thanks to the cultivating this sense, it also returns the image of a perfect Master, so far removed from the ordinary abhyasis that it becomes impossible to reach or even to come close. The risk for Chari is that negative behaviors arise when faced with difficulties. The abhyasis should not throw down their arms, renounce or abandon the game. Hence the concession dropped from time to time: a lot succeed ...
"A vibrational niche appropriate to the subtlety of their ethereal bodies"
Enjoy the beauty of the formula! Add a pinch of indigo children to extra-sensory perceptions, and we are plunged in the heart of New Age, deep in the occult and Western esotericism.
The medium of whispers undertook a major rewrite of the dogmatic ideology of Sahaj marg, mixed in Western new age, and it seems very appropriate to Chari. I repeat, the words make sense. Between Judeo-Christianity, racialism (eugenics) and the New age, the personality of the so-called medium re-appears in the reflected lights.
Why does Chari accept this evolution / revolution of Sahaj marg? What are they trying to do? Achieve a Westernization / globalization of the concept?
Sunday, November 27, 2011
See also:
Sahaj Marg(tm) and Whispers: Decryption
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.
.
Inserts and additions by 4d-don are in "red italics"
READ if you dare:
Take your pick. Sahaj Marg has come from "a modified Raja Yoga" (starting at step #7 of the "eighfold path"), to a usurped SUFISM (Lalaji), and now with Chari's Spiritualism, to interventions by either: Aliens(extra-terrestrials), egregores, spirits, New Age agents, Indigo Children, an ELITE, God and the Natural Laws, etc..etc.. etc... (as merrily we go along)
Sahaj Marg is one not-so "unique" APOCALYPTIC MESS!! Or Sahaj Marg(tm) is everything to everyone ... or NOTHING unique or special to ALL ... same old, same old !!
The solution: A New Race of Individuals
Whispers: Decryption (3)
Mankind races to its ruin, divine punishment is coming, it will be the Apocalypse. But a new race (a Master Race??) is on the horizon ...
(Quotes from Whispers From The Brighter World, Sahaj Marg (tm)'s Bible, according to Chari, as channeled by an anonymous French Lady Medium)
"Another race, more resistant and with a strong sense of extrasensory perception, will establish a world that would surprise most men now living. " (02/25/01) -
" A new race of individuals, characterized by a wider perceptions that this one, will open itself to spaces of knowledge much more advanced. There are already legions of them on earth, this gifted precursor race, which will help shatter the intellectual rigor, slowing the evolution of the beings of this world. " (31/10/03)
" Upheavals without name will occur and will have to be produced to clean up this world, leaving a long enough time to emerge finally the chosen (elite?) race, capable of establishing a new world corresponding to the expected standards. (...) A new race is at work (...). " (10/11/03)
" The Received Messages constitute by themselves alone, the single teachings suitable for the elite souls emerging in these times of the advent of a new era. They will be understood, appreciated, and they will become, in our path, a reference point. Minds (spirits?), more and more will open to a reality somewhat surpassing also (by) a little, that of our brothers presently. The future times are being prepared and we will not be left behind. The souls incarnated in this view (optics?) , will seek a teaching which suits them in all respects. Those whom you call the Indigo children will not accomodate outdated concepts. They seek a vibrational niche suitable to the subtlety of their ethereal bodies. Many of these people already live in this world. They struggle to integrate into existing systems, for them devoid of interest most of the time. They arrive at a pivotal time in the history of the world and are different, hence often misunderstood, like everything that can be distinguished from the multitude. These people will gather and unite to recreate an environment which will give them satisfaction. They are pacifists, spiritually evolved, they will go to the point, of course, without hesitation, wisdom, for the most part is innate. A time will come when the number of these people will grow to form an elite regenerating humanity and guiding the less fortunate. Everything is written and wanted thusly. May all be blessed! " (30/06/04)
" As the great sage may address his disciple and give a glimpse of where the treasure is hidden. "Many are called but few are chosen", say the Scriptures. The road is arid, only the strong and determined souls succeed. Sahaj Marg is a path, a means offered for humans who are interested and able to seize the opportunity offered to them, to move forward on this narrow path full of pitfalls. Many succeed. Has it not been given to the world to respond to a profound call characteristic of the times which are being prepared, with a view on a radical transformation? We will be more than ever at the heart of this vast movement, carrier of hope and liberation of a humanity, which is as a prey in the throes of evil. " (30/07/04)
Let us Summarize, paraphrase!
All is not lost. An elite group composed of gifted souls is already at work. Members of the new chosen people on earth are already legion. They are more resistant and they have larger ESP. They are different, so often misunderstood. They are struggling to integrate.
They do not adapt to outdated concepts, they will open up a space for more advanced knowledge, because they have the innate wisdom. They seek a niche suitable for subtle vibration of their ethereal bodies. They are pacifists and spiritually evolved. They help to break the rigor of the intellectual environment. They will unite to form an elite that will regenerate humanity, because they are able to establish a new world. Surprising!
They will become a reference point for all those who follow the path of Sahaj Marg, where they will be understood and appreciated. For Sahaj Marg is at the heart of this movement of hope and liberation. It offers a way for humans to move forward on this narrow road full of pitfalls, where many are called but few are chosen.
"Everything is written and wanted thusly".
Words have meaning!
Let us first stop and examine the language: a new race, an elite of souls will regenerate humanity. The words of whispers are terribly connotations. They recall the dark days of racism and eugenics that have raged in the late 19th and first half of the 20th century.
This is far from trivial, because it would have been possible just as well to say that mankind had not completed its evolution, that it was at work right now, with the development of new spiritual abilities. What the people of Sahaj Marg have already qualified themselves as involutive evolution towards the state invertendo or transpersonal.
But now, instead of using the scientific language of the theory of evolution or the language of the current transpersonal psychology, whispers revives eugenics.
Babuji Judeo-Christian
Man is evil, he runs to his ruin, divine retribution comes, and will unleash cataclysms, it will be the Apocalypse. But in his great goodness, God will save humanity with the new race supported by the SRCM looming on the horizon ... as he allowed Noah's Ark at the heart of the Flood!
The chosen race can not be integrated because they are different, only in Sahaj Marg is it understood and appreciated, because that is where the way of the future is, the way to reach this new race, perhaps even to join. Sahaj Marg is the solution. The Whispers of Babuji borrows all its codes from Judaism and Christianity. It adheres typically to the letter, the Judeo-Christian discourse. It is not surprising when you consider that the medium is French, a Westerner herself nursed from the bottle of a Judeo-Christian culture.
Many are called but few are chosen?
An elite will save the world: there are many called but few are chosen, except that many will succeed. Here we are again faced with one of the many contradictions of Sahaj Marg.
The SRCM is a private club reserved for the elite. Moreover, these messages are addressed to "Members of the brotherhood of man." The road is narrow and full of pitfalls. There are many who are called but few who are chosen. In short, you're lucky to be part of this elite which is not given to everyone, you should feel happy. You are part of the Club ...
Elitism is an attitude which is essential for all groups so as to strengthen the internal cohesion and to make people who are outside want to enter. SRCM cultivates very well with this elitism with its supposedly unique and unparalleled method! Yes, but thanks to the cultivating this sense, it also returns the image of a perfect Master, so far removed from the ordinary abhyasis that it becomes impossible to reach or even to come close. The risk for Chari is that negative behaviors arise when faced with difficulties. The abhyasis should not throw down their arms, renounce or abandon the game. Hence the concession dropped from time to time: a lot succeed ...
"A vibrational niche appropriate to the subtlety of their ethereal bodies"
Enjoy the beauty of the formula! Add a pinch of indigo children to extra-sensory perceptions, and we are plunged in the heart of New Age, deep in the occult and Western esotericism.
The medium of whispers undertook a major rewrite of the dogmatic ideology of Sahaj marg, mixed in Western new age, and it seems very appropriate to Chari. I repeat, the words make sense. Between Judeo-Christianity, racialism (eugenics) and the New age, the personality of the so-called medium re-appears in the reflected lights.
Why does Chari accept this evolution / revolution of Sahaj marg? What are they trying to do? Achieve a Westernization / globalization of the concept?
Sunday, November 27, 2011
See also:
Sahaj Marg(tm) and Whispers: Decryption
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Friday, September 23, 2011
Sahaj Marg's Babuji, A VERY Special Personality!!
Taken and translated from an article by Alexis: Babuji, Une Personalité TRÈS Spéciale, on Elodie's Blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg.
Comments and insertions by 4d-Don are in "red italics"
Alexis Said:
Babuji, a VERY Special Personality!
In her last message, Élodie expressed concerns about the possibility that Babuji was also a dangerous illuminated.
In the eyes of an ordinary person - who is not mired in spiritualism as in Sahaj Marg - what is known of his life could be reduced to something between onirism, paranoia, (apocalyptic) prophesy and mediumship:
- Onirism:First, the transmission between Lalaji and Babuji in the transition from the life to the death of Lalaji in 1931, then the dreams of Babuji between 1944 and 1945 where he was successively occupied by Lalaji, Vivekananda, Baqi Billah, etc..
- Paranoia:First, between 1931 and 1945 when he feared for his life from jealous competitors, then at the end of his life between 1981 and 83 when he believes that some are conspiring against him, is afraid of being poisoned or assassinated.
- Apocalyptic Prophesy:
Particularly in the early 50s, in his book "Reality at Dawn" (Chapter: My vision) where he sees England sinking under the sea, then in 1955 when he insists that he foretold the change of direction of the Gulf Stream ...
- Mediumship:
With his words from beyond the grave recorded in Whispers, where he continues to announce the upheaval of the world, a nuclear Apocalypse, the arrival of aliens on earth, a new chosen people with the Indigo children, etc..
Spiritually, Babuji is considered a special personality by the proponents of Sahaj Marg, as well as by Chari and KC Narayana and Kasturi. Special personality in the sense that his place and his role are significant to the spiritual (adepts), in the example of the other great saints of all times, such as Jesus, Ramakrishna, Vivekananda, Kabir and Muhammad ...
For an ordinary person, Babuji is a very special personality, a dangerous visionary who navigates between dreamlike (oniric) messages, paranoid behaviour, apocalyptic prophesies, and mediumship from beyond the grave.
Spiritualism has a broad back!
Alexis
Cri-cri Said:
Hello Elodie!
I myself have deep reservations about the whole aristosphere of Sahaj Marg, but I realize that by leaving the space to a single point of view, the blogs have gradually fallen into the same excesses as their opponents.
So would you allow me to publish this message for you to post on your blog for discussion?
I agree:
Babuji seems to have been a fanatic of the first category with the defects listed here. A constant among the mystics is that they are inherently enlightened. And because they are illuminated, they all tend to be excessive in a particular direction, causing an imbalance in their absolute cognitive organization, a form of self-hypnotic obsession.
Parenthetically, those who do aspire to spirituality, with even a foot in reason and normality, are always in one way or another, in a broken life. Someone balanced, responsive, good in his shoes, would not aspire to the beyond.
I would add to the list by Alexis, other elements that are also indications of a basic problem, such as:
1) the suicide of his (Babuji's) son, perhaps revealing a problematic emotional dynamics in the family structure - not only of the sole fact of a Babuji, but of a more ancient ancestry which also resulted in creating a Babuji
2) the intrigues of power with the historical rivalry between religious Hinduism and Islam for the spiritual fatherhood of the (spiritual) technique, especially criticiseable, but understandable in the context
3) the excess of the absolute nature of the teaching, which borders on obsession, since the master is everything, and annihilates the individual, love is permanent and focused on a single object in constant remembrance, in contradiction with others proposals about the spiritual essence of nature: balance
4) the fruit of the tree (section missing from message)
For example.
(Message #2)
But I strongly temper my words and would also counter-balance the claims of Alexis - it must be remembered, (Alexis) has no approach to spirituality, as he recognizes himself. For this gap, he may lack some elements of understanding that led him to his conclusions a little early. But it is his role and he plays it.
1) none of us has known Babuji directly. Those having approached have had an indelible impression, often so strong that it caused the illumination of more than one - to be truly enlightened, it's contagious! Babuji never said he was perfect, it was his disciples who said it. He introduced himself as a mere human being, sometimes doubting himself to the utmost, and putting everything one his master. He knew he had faults, that he was insignificant. His master was everything to him. He (Lalaji, his Master) was not a CEO who hired an employee to act as his successor in a political show, as we have seen recently (and some employees can now resign, an extravagance never seen in a disciple), (a reference to Ajay Kumar Bhatter) but a true mystical relationship between a master and his disciple. If this relationship is imaginary, then the case of Babuji is psychiatric. But can it be imagined, considering the spiritual strength that emanated from Babuji?
Also, if this relationship is not imaginary, (i) Babuji was what he claimed to be (the disciple of his master - not the special personality, which it is others who say), and (ii) the phenomenon may happen again in the near future or distant (eg, if the Chari-sts become too delirious: failure and rupture of the connection by a Muslim, and the emergence of a new haloed head (Saint?), schism and attempted murder)
2) many ambiguities and inconsistencies could potentially be reduced or waived if it were possible to have the clarification of the author (but beware: many of them are creations of the disciples of Babuji) - alas, we are today, unfortunately under the dubious intermediaries, and sentenced to speculate on many events. For example, to say that Babuji was paranoid at the end of his life because he thought he would be killed is an gratuiteous attack. Some aged people experience a profound change in their perception and their cognitive processes, and traits of paranoia sometimes appear after 80 years in subjects which were previously balanced. This paranoia in the elderly is simply an expression of a deep insecurity due to the reduction of physical control over the environment, combined with an impairment of the cognitive and sensory. Caregivers for the elderly are trained to secure the individual through touch.
(Message #3)
In addition, Babuji is dead of an apparent poisoning, while there are no shortage of strange stories about this whole affair. We must also consider what this disappearance has permitted ... Intuitively, because I can not reach a logical proof from the elements that I have, I think it is likely that Babuji was killed. So what seems to have been paranoia on his part could just as easily be an informed intuition. About the (paranoid?) episode of his youth, it could be a stage of spiritual development. Our psyche is full of anguish, and to turn one's attention inward forces us necessarily to confront it.
3) the spiritual phenomenon is a reality. Its explanation is another thing. Denying the problem or to reduce it to a mental illness, is one position. Facing the phenomenon, we therefore have on one hand those which intimate experience has convinced, and on the other hand, those who have no personal experience, and who are convinced otherwise. To the first, the society offers various institutions to indulge their pleasure. To the latter, society offers the right to consolidate. Life is not an hallucination, and when the stream is free of biopsychic structures which put it into shape, the inner experience changes with possible upheavals, and is always inadequate to the socially shared standard. In addition, our dead continue to live in us. Some, like Babuji, seem to have extended their presence in an area much larger than their direct offsprings. It is possible to commune with them and benefit from their help and guidance - do not ask me how it works but there is always more than what we know. Life is a mystery and a source of wonder.
4) messages (Whispers?) from across the Atlantic are a political manipulation of the masses and SRCMtm. Are they from Babuji? I have my doubts. If you can subscribe to certain themes, their use is suspect: to frighten and conquer? The aliens may be playing humanity into an unenviable role, and the biological resources of our planet may be an important wealth in a sidereal desert. Would a superior intelligence not act in accordance with our imaginative abilities to achieve its purpose?
Let us wait and see: if the aliens did not exist, they would probably be invented - and who would take charge of that?
Cri-cri
Friday, September 23, 2011
Alexis Said:
@ Christian,
Welcome Back,
I understand (accept) not being "spiritual" (I've never hidden and instead often reminded everyone, so as to not fool anyone), but since you seem unable to explain what it is, it limits the exchanges and discussions on the subject.
We basically said: spirituality is experienced, it can not be explained.
OK, then act! But I experienced there thirty years ago, without results. I even met Chari with a group of friends at that time. They were (allegedly) illuminated, not me.
So!? Have I not the same right as the others? I was too materialistic to let myself be subjugated? I had too much stigma?
There is probably a little of all this, I think.
But the illumination of friends sometimes persisted, sometimes it disappeared.
Personally, I put this illumination to the account of the charisma or Chari or Babuji. Charisma is nothing else than the result of a huge public expectations, vis-à-vis a personality which is a little unconventional.
Too bad no one is able to be more precise with relative objectivity about what they could have felt in contact with these two people ...
Tuesday, September 27, 2011
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Comments and insertions by 4d-Don are in "red italics"
Alexis Said:
Babuji, a VERY Special Personality!
In her last message, Élodie expressed concerns about the possibility that Babuji was also a dangerous illuminated.
In the eyes of an ordinary person - who is not mired in spiritualism as in Sahaj Marg - what is known of his life could be reduced to something between onirism, paranoia, (apocalyptic) prophesy and mediumship:
- Onirism:First, the transmission between Lalaji and Babuji in the transition from the life to the death of Lalaji in 1931, then the dreams of Babuji between 1944 and 1945 where he was successively occupied by Lalaji, Vivekananda, Baqi Billah, etc..
- Paranoia:First, between 1931 and 1945 when he feared for his life from jealous competitors, then at the end of his life between 1981 and 83 when he believes that some are conspiring against him, is afraid of being poisoned or assassinated.
- Apocalyptic Prophesy:
Particularly in the early 50s, in his book "Reality at Dawn" (Chapter: My vision) where he sees England sinking under the sea, then in 1955 when he insists that he foretold the change of direction of the Gulf Stream ...
- Mediumship:
With his words from beyond the grave recorded in Whispers, where he continues to announce the upheaval of the world, a nuclear Apocalypse, the arrival of aliens on earth, a new chosen people with the Indigo children, etc..
Spiritually, Babuji is considered a special personality by the proponents of Sahaj Marg, as well as by Chari and KC Narayana and Kasturi. Special personality in the sense that his place and his role are significant to the spiritual (adepts), in the example of the other great saints of all times, such as Jesus, Ramakrishna, Vivekananda, Kabir and Muhammad ...
For an ordinary person, Babuji is a very special personality, a dangerous visionary who navigates between dreamlike (oniric) messages, paranoid behaviour, apocalyptic prophesies, and mediumship from beyond the grave.
Spiritualism has a broad back!
Alexis
Cri-cri Said:
Hello Elodie!
I myself have deep reservations about the whole aristosphere of Sahaj Marg, but I realize that by leaving the space to a single point of view, the blogs have gradually fallen into the same excesses as their opponents.
So would you allow me to publish this message for you to post on your blog for discussion?
I agree:
Babuji seems to have been a fanatic of the first category with the defects listed here. A constant among the mystics is that they are inherently enlightened. And because they are illuminated, they all tend to be excessive in a particular direction, causing an imbalance in their absolute cognitive organization, a form of self-hypnotic obsession.
Parenthetically, those who do aspire to spirituality, with even a foot in reason and normality, are always in one way or another, in a broken life. Someone balanced, responsive, good in his shoes, would not aspire to the beyond.
I would add to the list by Alexis, other elements that are also indications of a basic problem, such as:
1) the suicide of his (Babuji's) son, perhaps revealing a problematic emotional dynamics in the family structure - not only of the sole fact of a Babuji, but of a more ancient ancestry which also resulted in creating a Babuji
2) the intrigues of power with the historical rivalry between religious Hinduism and Islam for the spiritual fatherhood of the (spiritual) technique, especially criticiseable, but understandable in the context
3) the excess of the absolute nature of the teaching, which borders on obsession, since the master is everything, and annihilates the individual, love is permanent and focused on a single object in constant remembrance, in contradiction with others proposals about the spiritual essence of nature: balance
4) the fruit of the tree (section missing from message)
For example.
(Message #2)
But I strongly temper my words and would also counter-balance the claims of Alexis - it must be remembered, (Alexis) has no approach to spirituality, as he recognizes himself. For this gap, he may lack some elements of understanding that led him to his conclusions a little early. But it is his role and he plays it.
1) none of us has known Babuji directly. Those having approached have had an indelible impression, often so strong that it caused the illumination of more than one - to be truly enlightened, it's contagious! Babuji never said he was perfect, it was his disciples who said it. He introduced himself as a mere human being, sometimes doubting himself to the utmost, and putting everything one his master. He knew he had faults, that he was insignificant. His master was everything to him. He (Lalaji, his Master) was not a CEO who hired an employee to act as his successor in a political show, as we have seen recently (and some employees can now resign, an extravagance never seen in a disciple), (a reference to Ajay Kumar Bhatter) but a true mystical relationship between a master and his disciple. If this relationship is imaginary, then the case of Babuji is psychiatric. But can it be imagined, considering the spiritual strength that emanated from Babuji?
Also, if this relationship is not imaginary, (i) Babuji was what he claimed to be (the disciple of his master - not the special personality, which it is others who say), and (ii) the phenomenon may happen again in the near future or distant (eg, if the Chari-sts become too delirious: failure and rupture of the connection by a Muslim, and the emergence of a new haloed head (Saint?), schism and attempted murder)
2) many ambiguities and inconsistencies could potentially be reduced or waived if it were possible to have the clarification of the author (but beware: many of them are creations of the disciples of Babuji) - alas, we are today, unfortunately under the dubious intermediaries, and sentenced to speculate on many events. For example, to say that Babuji was paranoid at the end of his life because he thought he would be killed is an gratuiteous attack. Some aged people experience a profound change in their perception and their cognitive processes, and traits of paranoia sometimes appear after 80 years in subjects which were previously balanced. This paranoia in the elderly is simply an expression of a deep insecurity due to the reduction of physical control over the environment, combined with an impairment of the cognitive and sensory. Caregivers for the elderly are trained to secure the individual through touch.
(Message #3)
In addition, Babuji is dead of an apparent poisoning, while there are no shortage of strange stories about this whole affair. We must also consider what this disappearance has permitted ... Intuitively, because I can not reach a logical proof from the elements that I have, I think it is likely that Babuji was killed. So what seems to have been paranoia on his part could just as easily be an informed intuition. About the (paranoid?) episode of his youth, it could be a stage of spiritual development. Our psyche is full of anguish, and to turn one's attention inward forces us necessarily to confront it.
3) the spiritual phenomenon is a reality. Its explanation is another thing. Denying the problem or to reduce it to a mental illness, is one position. Facing the phenomenon, we therefore have on one hand those which intimate experience has convinced, and on the other hand, those who have no personal experience, and who are convinced otherwise. To the first, the society offers various institutions to indulge their pleasure. To the latter, society offers the right to consolidate. Life is not an hallucination, and when the stream is free of biopsychic structures which put it into shape, the inner experience changes with possible upheavals, and is always inadequate to the socially shared standard. In addition, our dead continue to live in us. Some, like Babuji, seem to have extended their presence in an area much larger than their direct offsprings. It is possible to commune with them and benefit from their help and guidance - do not ask me how it works but there is always more than what we know. Life is a mystery and a source of wonder.
4) messages (Whispers?) from across the Atlantic are a political manipulation of the masses and SRCMtm. Are they from Babuji? I have my doubts. If you can subscribe to certain themes, their use is suspect: to frighten and conquer? The aliens may be playing humanity into an unenviable role, and the biological resources of our planet may be an important wealth in a sidereal desert. Would a superior intelligence not act in accordance with our imaginative abilities to achieve its purpose?
Let us wait and see: if the aliens did not exist, they would probably be invented - and who would take charge of that?
Cri-cri
Friday, September 23, 2011
Alexis Said:
@ Christian,
Welcome Back,
I understand (accept) not being "spiritual" (I've never hidden and instead often reminded everyone, so as to not fool anyone), but since you seem unable to explain what it is, it limits the exchanges and discussions on the subject.
We basically said: spirituality is experienced, it can not be explained.
OK, then act! But I experienced there thirty years ago, without results. I even met Chari with a group of friends at that time. They were (allegedly) illuminated, not me.
So!? Have I not the same right as the others? I was too materialistic to let myself be subjugated? I had too much stigma?
There is probably a little of all this, I think.
But the illumination of friends sometimes persisted, sometimes it disappeared.
Personally, I put this illumination to the account of the charisma or Chari or Babuji. Charisma is nothing else than the result of a huge public expectations, vis-à-vis a personality which is a little unconventional.
Too bad no one is able to be more precise with relative objectivity about what they could have felt in contact with these two people ...
Tuesday, September 27, 2011
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Thursday, September 08, 2011
More "destruction" being worked for at Sahaj Marg(tm)!
Comments to speech by Chari, "Scatter the Seeds of Spirituality" at the 9 March 2011, Ashram Inauguration, Raipur, India
Comments by 4d-don are in "red italics"
Now the Predictions of "Destruction" by an "apocalyptic" sectarian "cult of a (special) person":
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"Babuji Maharaj was once working on the plane when I was sitting near him, sitting next to him, coming back from, I think Europe. He was deeply engrossed – khoye-khoye baithe the. After thirty, forty minutes I asked him, “Babuji, you were lost. What were you doing?” He said, “Tum batao. [You tell me.]” So I said, “You are probably doing some work in the future.” He said, “How much in the future?” I said, “I don’t know mathematics, so I cannot tell you, but quite far in the future.” He patted me on the back and said, “Shabaash! [Well done!]” I said, “But, for such a small reply you are saying Shabaash!” He said, “You don’t know; one person in a million cannot give this answer. To know that it was in the future was itself a great answer to an important question. To know that it was quite far into the future was even better.” I said, “Now tell me what you were actually doing?” He said, “I was preparing the foundation for the special personality that will come to destroy this universe when Kali Yuga ends.” Thousands and thousands of years in the future, you see."
Now the Universe will allegedly be destroyed by a "special person-ality", (and Babuji is not that "person", as some like to claim) ... And if all the world changes? Then like all religions, they infer that no destruction will take place ... and the UNIVERSE will exist "as is" ETERNALLY, with the religions and their materialists (them also??) not existing, but all the citizens of the world serving the all-new and natural MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE, the Lord of Sahaj MART(tm) ...
Research the history of Sahaj Marg on this site, and see if you think that the UNIVERSE (nature) will favour such "divisive" and materialist (matter) endeavours which are in reality: RELIGION or spiritualism, not spirituality!! I mean "favour" by destroying everything!!
And now (see below), they even have "soldiers" and "their officers"!! Much like the other "RELIGIONS" ... another pyramid inside a pyramid ... all very religious, militarist, "materialist" (matter) and "business" structures of the OLD PARADIGM ... not SPIRIT!! And not very SPIRITUAL!! Sort of like Christianity, Islam, Judaism, et al ...
How about a song to march to? (in 4/4 time):
(The officer says: " ... by the "right" quick march ..." and everybody sings: )
"Onward Sahaj Marg(tm) Soldiers, marching as to war"
The OLD PARADIGM in a "pseudo-spiritual" veneer, which is in REALITY: SPIRITUALISM, with an anonymous French Lady Medium, messages from the "spirits", and egregores, indigo children, and now an "army"!! Ho-hum !! What a mess!!
(...)
"I am happy to see our jawans [soldiers] and their officers here; I welcome them. I am happy that our efforts have reached them too, and I hope I will see battalions of them in the future. May they progress well. May they all grow. God bless all of you."
the word: "battalions", comes from the word: "battle"... Battalions do battle!! Against whom? The forces of SATAN ?? Other religions??
A point of theology:
If there is an "end of the world" (a "mahapralaya"), then there can be no "karma" or "samskaras". The "END" cancels all the accumulated KARMA or samskaras !! Whether one has accumulated Karma (moral or ethical debts) or not, the "END of the WORLD" cancels ALL.
Then, if there is an "End of the World", there must be a "Brighter World" (or a "heaven", or a "central region"??) for those without "karma"?? Or is Sahaj Marg's "theology on the run", really a flawed theology?? Do they just make it up as they go? If there's a "heaven" which Babuji seems to say is "UP", then is there also a "hell", which would be "DOWN"?? Babuji infers that !!
Then, is there a "caretaker" in hell ?? If there is "bliss" in heaven, then is there "fire" or suffering in hell (as with the religious hell) , after the "destruction" ?? Is there still "samskaras" after the "END" ??
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Comments by 4d-don are in "red italics"
Now the Predictions of "Destruction" by an "apocalyptic" sectarian "cult of a (special) person":
(...)
"Babuji Maharaj was once working on the plane when I was sitting near him, sitting next to him, coming back from, I think Europe. He was deeply engrossed – khoye-khoye baithe the. After thirty, forty minutes I asked him, “Babuji, you were lost. What were you doing?” He said, “Tum batao. [You tell me.]” So I said, “You are probably doing some work in the future.” He said, “How much in the future?” I said, “I don’t know mathematics, so I cannot tell you, but quite far in the future.” He patted me on the back and said, “Shabaash! [Well done!]” I said, “But, for such a small reply you are saying Shabaash!” He said, “You don’t know; one person in a million cannot give this answer. To know that it was in the future was itself a great answer to an important question. To know that it was quite far into the future was even better.” I said, “Now tell me what you were actually doing?” He said, “I was preparing the foundation for the special personality that will come to destroy this universe when Kali Yuga ends.” Thousands and thousands of years in the future, you see."
Now the Universe will allegedly be destroyed by a "special person-ality", (and Babuji is not that "person", as some like to claim) ... And if all the world changes? Then like all religions, they infer that no destruction will take place ... and the UNIVERSE will exist "as is" ETERNALLY, with the religions and their materialists (them also??) not existing, but all the citizens of the world serving the all-new and natural MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE, the Lord of Sahaj MART(tm) ...
Research the history of Sahaj Marg on this site, and see if you think that the UNIVERSE (nature) will favour such "divisive" and materialist (matter) endeavours which are in reality: RELIGION or spiritualism, not spirituality!! I mean "favour" by destroying everything!!
And now (see below), they even have "soldiers" and "their officers"!! Much like the other "RELIGIONS" ... another pyramid inside a pyramid ... all very religious, militarist, "materialist" (matter) and "business" structures of the OLD PARADIGM ... not SPIRIT!! And not very SPIRITUAL!! Sort of like Christianity, Islam, Judaism, et al ...
How about a song to march to? (in 4/4 time):
(The officer says: " ... by the "right" quick march ..." and everybody sings: )
"Onward Sahaj Marg(tm) Soldiers, marching as to war"
The OLD PARADIGM in a "pseudo-spiritual" veneer, which is in REALITY: SPIRITUALISM, with an anonymous French Lady Medium, messages from the "spirits", and egregores, indigo children, and now an "army"!! Ho-hum !! What a mess!!
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"I am happy to see our jawans [soldiers] and their officers here; I welcome them. I am happy that our efforts have reached them too, and I hope I will see battalions of them in the future. May they progress well. May they all grow. God bless all of you."
the word: "battalions", comes from the word: "battle"... Battalions do battle!! Against whom? The forces of SATAN ?? Other religions??
A point of theology:
If there is an "end of the world" (a "mahapralaya"), then there can be no "karma" or "samskaras". The "END" cancels all the accumulated KARMA or samskaras !! Whether one has accumulated Karma (moral or ethical debts) or not, the "END of the WORLD" cancels ALL.
Then, if there is an "End of the World", there must be a "Brighter World" (or a "heaven", or a "central region"??) for those without "karma"?? Or is Sahaj Marg's "theology on the run", really a flawed theology?? Do they just make it up as they go? If there's a "heaven" which Babuji seems to say is "UP", then is there also a "hell", which would be "DOWN"?? Babuji infers that !!
Then, is there a "caretaker" in hell ?? If there is "bliss" in heaven, then is there "fire" or suffering in hell (as with the religious hell) , after the "destruction" ?? Is there still "samskaras" after the "END" ??
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Saturday, August 27, 2011
The Lies of Fear and Temptation by Chari of Sahaj Marg(tm)!
Comments to Chari's Speech "We Have a Duty to Our World", 24 July 2011, D.J Park, Tiruppur, India, during Chari's Birthday Bash!!
Comments by 4d-Don are in "red italics"
The lie here is that according to Chari, if one changes, then there will apparently be no "destruction". And then, he states the "contradiction". How "RELIGIOUS"... and how not REALITY and/or not SPIRITUAL.
In Sahaj Marg(tm), contradictions abound, as in most religions. And they think they (and the "indigo" children) will lead mankind in the future?? These spiritual charlatans will only attract the "un-thinking" star-struck fans of fantasies, fairy tales, sci-fi, and pure silliness who will do all the work and attract the un-suspecting (women) ... and/or the "power-addicted" who will profiteer from such masses of "co-dependence" (lustful and power-addicted men who are drawn to the MATERIAL and to the pyramids of subservient "serfs").
We Have a Duty to Our World
(We have a duty to tell the TRUTH and save (conserve) some of the resources of the planet for the next generation, not simply "develop" and profiteer from everything for the benefit of the nationalist, imperialist, sexist, racist, homophobe "businessmen of Sahaj Marg(tm)" or their new RELIGION.)
24 July 2011, D.J Park, Tiruppur, India
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When you watch the old Mahabharata and things like that, I was shocked when rishi Jamadagni, a great saint, was killed by the swords of the four sons of the reigning king. (Huh? How wise can one be if one is shocked that even "spiritual" people (those who have "changed", or have no more need for change) die? Then, we have the following HOLY "revelation" by Chari: ) Spirituality does not guarantee freedom from pain, freedom from death, freedom from opposition, freedom from oppression from the government. It guarantees nothing of these. What does spirituality guarantee? (nothing??) Babuji Maharaj told me some twenty years ago, he said, “Dekho [Look], there is going to be destruction.” (Now that is simply silly and not a REVELATION at all!!) Even now, our Whispers messages that we are getting, there is always talk of destruction. I am waiting one day for at least some hopeful message – not as long as we don’t change. (Destruction and creation will happen whether one "little homo sapiens" changes or not ... GET REAL... stop telling LIES!!)
(...)
Comments by 4d-Don are in "red italics"
The lie here is that according to Chari, if one changes, then there will apparently be no "destruction". And then, he states the "contradiction". How "RELIGIOUS"... and how not REALITY and/or not SPIRITUAL.
In Sahaj Marg(tm), contradictions abound, as in most religions. And they think they (and the "indigo" children) will lead mankind in the future?? These spiritual charlatans will only attract the "un-thinking" star-struck fans of fantasies, fairy tales, sci-fi, and pure silliness who will do all the work and attract the un-suspecting (women) ... and/or the "power-addicted" who will profiteer from such masses of "co-dependence" (lustful and power-addicted men who are drawn to the MATERIAL and to the pyramids of subservient "serfs").
We Have a Duty to Our World
(We have a duty to tell the TRUTH and save (conserve) some of the resources of the planet for the next generation, not simply "develop" and profiteer from everything for the benefit of the nationalist, imperialist, sexist, racist, homophobe "businessmen of Sahaj Marg(tm)" or their new RELIGION.)
24 July 2011, D.J Park, Tiruppur, India
(...)
When you watch the old Mahabharata and things like that, I was shocked when rishi Jamadagni, a great saint, was killed by the swords of the four sons of the reigning king. (Huh? How wise can one be if one is shocked that even "spiritual" people (those who have "changed", or have no more need for change) die? Then, we have the following HOLY "revelation" by Chari: ) Spirituality does not guarantee freedom from pain, freedom from death, freedom from opposition, freedom from oppression from the government. It guarantees nothing of these. What does spirituality guarantee? (nothing??) Babuji Maharaj told me some twenty years ago, he said, “Dekho [Look], there is going to be destruction.” (Now that is simply silly and not a REVELATION at all!!) Even now, our Whispers messages that we are getting, there is always talk of destruction. I am waiting one day for at least some hopeful message – not as long as we don’t change. (Destruction and creation will happen whether one "little homo sapiens" changes or not ... GET REAL... stop telling LIES!!)
(...)
So you may determine, you see, and know for certain that there will be destruction; nothing on earth can stop it. (you got that right!) All the technological genius of the West and of Japan could not stop that tsunami. Don’t be fooled by what you read in the newspapers of an early warning system for tsunamis. (That "early warning system" is not to predict the earthquake which causes the tsunami, but for the tsunami itself which travels relatively slowly. This system could save some lives and is a "technological" reality NOW) It doesn’t exist. (not true... that is simply a "lie") When the powers of nature are awakened, birds and bees and ants, they know – but we don’t know. (how silly... commune with NATURE then or ask the "pump"!! ... Nature may "tell" you!! ) We rely on seismographs, we rely on hot news on the television, most of them lies. (lies is what comes from "RELIGION" and the so-called "gurus". ) Here, what is it here [the heart] that you are not looking to? Does this give you any disaster warning? (NO ... use your HEAD, and the technololgy, not the PUMP FOR BLOOD with it's "invented" power of "fore-knowledge")
Always look here [the heart] whenever you are afraid, whenever you are going off track. (lol lol ... get "truthful"!! Ask the PUMP for BLOOD (the heart) if one wants to THINK?? NO!! ) Babuji Maharaj always said, “Don’t trust this [head]. (But he trusted it!! And so do you!! ) It is only a thinking thing. It will give you information. (the heart is not a "thinking thing", and will only give information about the Blood and it's vascular system) It cannot tell you what is right or wrong. When you are in doubt, refer to the heart.” (The heart does not tell one what is "right or wrong" either ... Look at Sahaj Marg(tm) and their religious divisive, materialist, nationalist, imperialist, racist, homophobic, sexist, power addicted, and egotistical gurus and their divisive, stressed, depressed, etc... followers! )
I pray for His blessings on all of you today. Thank you. (I suppose that since you capitalize "His", you are meaning the MALE God of Sahaj Marg(tm), and if you mean Babuji, there is no capital needed ... and he is "deceased" ... He ain't blessing anyone and he is not "whispering" any predictions for the future ... Fantasies and religious fairy tales.... not Raja Yoga or SPIRITUALITY but very much: SPIRITUALISM !!
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Friday, July 29, 2011
Sahaj Marg(tm) and DESTRUCTION!!
Taken from an article: "Destruction", by Elodie on her blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg
Comments and insertions by 4d-Don are in "red italics"
The saying, once used by Sahaj Marg(tm), does not seem to apply anymore:
"SPIRITUALITY unites and RELIGION/SPIRITALISM divides."
Sahaj Marg has not shown itself to unite even its own disciples and preceptors (and their families), and now, the abhyasis (practitioners) are being prepared for divisions in their own invented BRIGHTER WORLD, (with a "central region") where the saved will go "up" (heaven?) and the lost will go "down" (hell?)!! And they call their apocalyptic new religion "different" and "unique"?
Beware: Abhyasis are being prepared for a RELIGIOUS/SPIRITUALIST heaven and hell with some preferred position (space) in their "Brighter World" ("up") and some less preferred for the lost or the "left-behind" ("down").
This is NOT SPIRITUALITY but religion and SPIRITUALISM (Mediums, spirits, apocalyptic destructions and a "heaven and hell"!!
Sahaj Marg(tm) even divides their own invented "other worlds"!! They (the leadership) seem controlled by their reductionist or divisive MIND ! Or a spiritualist "ritual" of creating a divisive EGREGORE has been instigated by Chari, claiming it to come from Babuji! Egregores (Groupthink), like water always go to the "lowest common denominator" !!
July 29, 2011
Destruction
Chari's last speech at his birthday party unfortunately confirms our analysis on the apocalyptic turn of the Shri Ram Chandra Mission. After a long verse on the gangrenous corruption that plagues the world of politics in India, Chari concludes his speech with destruction and punishment, and the elite representatives of Sahaj Marg. Sad and regrettable, these populist and apocalyptic developments.
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Babuji Maharaj told me some twenty years ago, he said, “Dekho [Look], there is going to be destruction.”
Even now, our Whispers messages that we are getting, there is always talk of destruction. I am waiting one day for at least some hopeful message – not as long as we don’t change.
So what did Babuji Maharaj say when I asked him, “What about destruction? You are always talking about destruction.”
He said, “Yes.” And he was happy, he was laughing. He said, “Voh to hona hi hai. (It has to happen.)”
I said, “Babuji, what about sincere abhyasis who are devoted to you?”
He said, “Everybody will suffer when there is destruction.”
I asked him, “What is the use then of being an abhyasi?”
He said, “Itna sa farak hai, jo abhyasi hain, jo sincere hain, voh oopar jayenge, aur log neeche jaayenge.”
He said, “Those who are sincere abhyasis, dedicated, devoted, truthful, they will have to go but they will go up. The rest will go down. This is the difference.”
(...)
Chari confirms that the messages of Whispers distil gradually for the abhyasis, the idea of inevitable destruction.
Babuji would have (allegedly) spoken to him twenty years ago, that is to say in 1991, seven years after his death. We did not know that Chari conversed directly with Babuji from the Brighter World. We even understand that the Whispers reached us via a medium (the anonymous French Lady Medium-AFLM) because Babuji could not communicate directly with Chari.
That upsets a little some of our knowledge, unless that at 84 years old, Chari is starting to ramble and mixes up the years, or it is only a lie. Earlier in his speech he said that the most elderly are the mostly corrupt. Should we apply to him, his own statement?
Regardless, he reports that Babuji tells him that the destruction is inevitable. However, it is undated and not explicit, leaving the possibility of interpretation in the future. As did Nostradamus in his time, he is opening until today, the field of the date interpretations to infinity.
Chari's reaction is interesting because he is concerned about the fate of the abhyasis, implying that they (the elite, the rewarded) should fare better than others. And Babuji to reassure him, said that even if they also have to suffer, they will fare better than the others (the impious, the barbarians, etc.)..
Chari, thank you for this shocking confirmation, Sahaj Marg is definitely dead and buried.
Elodie
See also:
The Punishment of the World and the Elite of Sahaj Marg(tm)
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Comments and insertions by 4d-Don are in "red italics"
The saying, once used by Sahaj Marg(tm), does not seem to apply anymore:
"SPIRITUALITY unites and RELIGION/SPIRITALISM divides."
Sahaj Marg has not shown itself to unite even its own disciples and preceptors (and their families), and now, the abhyasis (practitioners) are being prepared for divisions in their own invented BRIGHTER WORLD, (with a "central region") where the saved will go "up" (heaven?) and the lost will go "down" (hell?)!! And they call their apocalyptic new religion "different" and "unique"?
Beware: Abhyasis are being prepared for a RELIGIOUS/SPIRITUALIST heaven and hell with some preferred position (space) in their "Brighter World" ("up") and some less preferred for the lost or the "left-behind" ("down").
This is NOT SPIRITUALITY but religion and SPIRITUALISM (Mediums, spirits, apocalyptic destructions and a "heaven and hell"!!
Sahaj Marg(tm) even divides their own invented "other worlds"!! They (the leadership) seem controlled by their reductionist or divisive MIND ! Or a spiritualist "ritual" of creating a divisive EGREGORE has been instigated by Chari, claiming it to come from Babuji! Egregores (Groupthink), like water always go to the "lowest common denominator" !!
July 29, 2011
Destruction
Chari's last speech at his birthday party unfortunately confirms our analysis on the apocalyptic turn of the Shri Ram Chandra Mission. After a long verse on the gangrenous corruption that plagues the world of politics in India, Chari concludes his speech with destruction and punishment, and the elite representatives of Sahaj Marg. Sad and regrettable, these populist and apocalyptic developments.
(...)
Babuji Maharaj told me some twenty years ago, he said, “Dekho [Look], there is going to be destruction.”
Even now, our Whispers messages that we are getting, there is always talk of destruction. I am waiting one day for at least some hopeful message – not as long as we don’t change.
So what did Babuji Maharaj say when I asked him, “What about destruction? You are always talking about destruction.”
He said, “Yes.” And he was happy, he was laughing. He said, “Voh to hona hi hai. (It has to happen.)”
I said, “Babuji, what about sincere abhyasis who are devoted to you?”
He said, “Everybody will suffer when there is destruction.”
I asked him, “What is the use then of being an abhyasi?”
He said, “Itna sa farak hai, jo abhyasi hain, jo sincere hain, voh oopar jayenge, aur log neeche jaayenge.”
He said, “Those who are sincere abhyasis, dedicated, devoted, truthful, they will have to go but they will go up. The rest will go down. This is the difference.”
(...)
Chari confirms that the messages of Whispers distil gradually for the abhyasis, the idea of inevitable destruction.
Babuji would have (allegedly) spoken to him twenty years ago, that is to say in 1991, seven years after his death. We did not know that Chari conversed directly with Babuji from the Brighter World. We even understand that the Whispers reached us via a medium (the anonymous French Lady Medium-AFLM) because Babuji could not communicate directly with Chari.
That upsets a little some of our knowledge, unless that at 84 years old, Chari is starting to ramble and mixes up the years, or it is only a lie. Earlier in his speech he said that the most elderly are the mostly corrupt. Should we apply to him, his own statement?
Regardless, he reports that Babuji tells him that the destruction is inevitable. However, it is undated and not explicit, leaving the possibility of interpretation in the future. As did Nostradamus in his time, he is opening until today, the field of the date interpretations to infinity.
Chari's reaction is interesting because he is concerned about the fate of the abhyasis, implying that they (the elite, the rewarded) should fare better than others. And Babuji to reassure him, said that even if they also have to suffer, they will fare better than the others (the impious, the barbarians, etc.)..
Chari, thank you for this shocking confirmation, Sahaj Marg is definitely dead and buried.
Elodie
See also:
The Punishment of the World and the Elite of Sahaj Marg(tm)
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