A Sahaj Marg (tm) Renegade (Elodie's Testimonial)

Taken and translated from an article: "Renegade", by Elodie on her French blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg.

November 13, 2012

Renegade

Among the values ​​which my parents transmitted to me during my education, two of them helped me  build the adult which I became: the freedom to think for myself and the superiority of the spiritual life over the material life.

 

It is in this spirit that they met Babuji and chose him as a spiritual master nearly 40 years ago.   My brother, my sister and I were bathed in this environment from a very young childhood and we have logically adhered to it once we reached an older age.   Meanwhile, Babuji was replaced by Chari without it bringing any change in our commitment.

 

We met our companions (partner?) within the Mission, my parents were appointed preceptors by Babuji, my brother and my sister-in-law by Chari, the union of my little sister was blessed by Chari, my older nephews and nieces were educated at LMOIS (Lalaji Memorial Omega International Schoold).   A real "Mission" family, as Chari  dreamed.

 

I had the feeling of belonging to a larger family and one based on the values ​​that I had been taught by my parents. Sahaj Marg represented everything I aspired to since always, a wonderful dream shared with my partner and which I was eager to pass on to my children.

 

 Some grains of sand have jammed up this wonderful drive gear.  In 2005, the announcement of Whispers by Chari and the interruption of satsangh by his son for an auction have been the electro-shock that pushed me out. I broke with the Mission, I broke up with my family and I also later broke up with my former partner.

 

First supported by my partner and finally also rejected by my last support, I found myself without family and friends, and terribly alone.  Added to this was the fact that I had to admit that I had strayed into a dead end and one totally contrary to my principles. I had been used and manipulated without my knowledge and against my will without my noticing it for many years. It is not the easiest thing to recognize. My family was always - and still is - a willing hostage of a pseudo-spiritual deception, a vast and deadly scam.

 

I suffered terribly from loneliness and from the difficulty of admitting that I had left myself  be abused for so long and so substantially. My son and daughter were my strength, but what has  truly saved me, it is our exchanges and analyses on this blog as well as the relationships I have forged with some great spiritual personalities, remarkable in my eyes.

 

Let there be no mistake, I do not write this to encourage your pity or your compassion, I do not want it.   I write this for you who doubt, for you who are wondering if your future is in this sinister mission or outside. Leaving this sidetrack is an indispensable necessity if you still believe in spiritual values ​​and if you refuse to serve any longer as a cash-cow to a crook; but the way to stop the addiction is long and difficult.

 

 Realization is a slow and complex process, although some events may precipitate it. My first questionning of the Mission appeared with insignificant doubts. When I questioned my parents or a preceptor, either I got some guilt-inducing responses questioning my practice, or I ran into a wall.  I have now forgotten my trivial questions of the time, but I will never forget the attitude of those who replied to me. I was a bad abhyasi, I was not using the Mission correctly, my love for Chari was not strong enough, etc.. etc..

 

How is it possible that one thus eludes any questions on a spiritual path? From a preceptor, I undoubtedly would have accepted it.   I had more trouble accepting when it came from people which I then took for real  friend (s).   I absolutely refused when it was my family.  It was in total contradiction with the values ​​which my parents had transmitted to me, how could they hold on to such language?

 

I doubted more and more, incredibly disappointed by the behavior of people I considered members of this large family which the Mission was then for me, until the events of 2005, which precipitated me out. Chari demanded from us 250 euros for a book not yet printed and with an unknown subject, based on trust (confidence?).  I had no more confidence left and 250 euros for a book the group-purchase of which was prohibited, as also was photocopying or lending, that is a bit expensive. The commercial aspect had become too obvious.

 

My departure and the creation of this blog are not the end of my story with Sahaj Marg, far from it. One does not abruptly go from doubt and loss of confidence to a full dis-endoctrination. There are steps, many steps. The process is not sudden and total, it is slow, difficult, sprinkled with doubts and some very personal issues, very sentimentally charged and very emotional.

 

It still took me a long time to see Chari as he truly is, and not with the eyes of a fanatic disciple, enamored of his/her spiritual master. I have long believed that the excesses of the Mission were due to individual members who composed it, precisely because of their human condition. Sahaj Marg remained the best spiritual method and Chari was its undisputed master. I still believed in the possibility of a Sahaj Marg rid of its human misdemeanours and hoped to re-render it its noble acclaim.

 

With the discoveries and the evidence that accumulated on the blog, I was very much obliged to gradually accept the omissions and lies of Babuji and Chari. I managed the desecrating of Chari by discovering the contents of Whispers it was the final straw that broke the camel's back. The divergent discourses of Sister Kasturi and Narayana (ISRC) also helped me.

 

I needed the analyses of Cricri, Michael and Alexis, and the support of 4d-Don, to understand and accept intellectually that I had succumbed to this pseudo-spiritual trap for suckers, without noticing. My encounters with spiritual personalities from all sides finally demystified Sahaj Marg. This is not a unique and universal method as claimed by Babuji, I am now convinced, and I have much evidence. There are many other spiritual paths which are at least as interesting.

 

Today, seven years after slamming shut the door on the Mission, I dare say that I have come to a new equilibrium.

 

The consequences are many. My family has almost cut its ties with me and I am infinitely sad and disappointed at their renunciation, even if I do not lose hope of seeing them one day finally open their eyes to the puppets they have become.   I lost all my false friends, but of that, I congratulate myself today. And for my self-preservation, because one never turns the page completely, I refuse to meet directly with anyone who had anything to do with Sahaj Marg, near or far, it is still too sensitive. After having been much influenced and abused, I am unable to give my full confidence to a spiritual guide, whatever his merits, it has become for me a basic survival reflex.

 

I lost my family and my truly false friends, but over time I developed some new relationships and true friendships in my surroundings, a thing that was impossible when I was in the Mission. For that matter, as long as we stay, we do not realize how much the Mission imprisons us and cuts us off from our immediate surroundings.

 

I lost a Master and a pseudo-spiritual method, but I have met many exceptional spiritual personalities. My spiritual stagnation at the heart of the Mission has ceased, I have again taken up my spiritual quest, I met wonderful guides and found my inner God.

 

Paradoxically, leaving Sahaj Marg, breaking with the Mission and its master has allowed me to reconnect with a real spiritual experience and to regain my freedom of thought. I have finally become myself.

Elodie 

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To Abhyasis of Sahaj Marg Who Read This Blog!!

Taken and translated from an article by Elodie: "Rappel Aux Abhyasis Qui Lisent Ce Blog" on her blog: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg.


October 11, 2011

Reminder to the abhyasis who read this blog

You respond to our arguments by saying that we do not know of what we speak, because we do not know what Sahaj Marg is, and that we have not experienced it.

THINK AGAIN!

Alexis and 4d-Don are the exceptions that prove the rule.

Cricri, Michael, Frank, Madeleine, Peter and Ines, Cyril, Paolo and I are all old abhyasis. Together we have spent more time in the SRCM than each of you. Some of us were preceptors, others had various responsibilities.

Rejecting our arguments on the grounds that we do not know of what we speak is to be like the ostrich burying its head in the sand, in the face of inconvenient truths. It is to want to remain deaf and blind to certain realities that you deny to the absurd, so as to not re-question yourself.

IT IS DIFFICULT, BUT YOU ARE NOT ALONE

To doubt, to re-learn to think for oneself, to recognize after years in error that one has been wrong, to take a place on the sidelines, it is not easy. But we've been there, we demonstrate that it is possible, that one can rebuild, turn the page and move on to other things. You are not alone.

YES, YOU CAN!

There is life after Sahaj Marg, one can live without it, and especially live better, much better.

Elodie
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Comment by Paolo, Ex-Preceptor of Sahaj Marg!

Taken and translated from a comment by Paolo, ex-preceptor of Sahaj Marg (under Babuji and Chari), on article by Cricri (Christian): Le Temoignage de Cricri, (see English version on this blog: "Ex-Abhyasi of Sahaj Marg, Cricri's Testimonial"), on Elodie's blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg.

Comments and insertions by 4d-don are in "red italics"

(See reply by Cricri below)


Paolo Said:


The argument that you suggest seems very interesting and even fundamental to any spiritual seeker.

My name is Paolo and I joined Sahaj Marg in 1978. I met Babuji the next year in India and several other times until he departed (April 19, 1983)

I met Chari in 1979 in India when he was secretary general of the SRCM, then I accepted him as the new chairman of the mission and later as master, believing that I was "recognizing the master where he was", basing my decision especially on the perception of the transmission flowing from him.

I worked as a preceptor for 15 years until I left the SRCM in 2003.

I do not think though that I have anything to teach to anyone, but at the same time I am absolutely convinced that we must ask questions and try to answer them honestly.

The first question which you had already asked is:

- Is there a difference between spirituality and power?

and also:

- Does there exist any form of "energetic" power with no spiritual nature?

- The practice of "suggestion" towards the abhyasis or those who are not abhyasis, widely used by Chari and many of the preceptors, (is it) a spiritual practice?
(For example: work by suggesting that someone who abandoned the mission will return)

-In order to be helped spiritually by a Master should one not have, beyond "energetic" power, certain characteristics, innate by a special birth or acquired by his spiritual practice, such as humility or non-attachment to material goals, including the idea of the growth at all costs of his mission?

- Should the Master should not have a direct experience of the spiritual realms, and help us to do the same (direct experience!) And have no recourse to mediums and like people?

I do not think that to ask whether Chari is a channel or not, is a good question.

I'm sure he is a channel but of what "energy" is it?

Is this a purely spiritual "energy", liberating from the grips of the material and helping to enter the spiritual worlds, or, an "energy", which in one way or another, only develops the ego in an infinite expansion?

Someone said that you can judge the tree by its fruits.

Best regards and thank you for all your efforts

Paolo

Saturday, October 1, 2011



Cricri Said:

Paolo,

"believing that I was recognizing the Master where he was", basing my decision primarily on the perception of the trasmission that flowed from him."

From KC Narayana (of ISRC a SRCM break-away group) I learned that the transmission is an act of will.

He has long insisted that I understand the difference between divine grace and transmission.

From the SRCMtm, I was confused.

Transmission can not flow by itself passively it seems, it is something else.

You do not doubt that Chari is a channel, but you doubt about the type of energy that he channels.

What are your assumptions about the nature of this energy?

"I worked as a preceptor for 15 years until I left the SRCM in 2003."

Would you explain, since you are a former insider, how the teacher manipulates the abhyasi to make it obedient and indoctrinated?

I refer to "spiritual" techniques and these famous suggestions emitted during the siting or during the remote (at a distance) working sessions on the abhyasi.

Explain to the readers what this witchcraft recipe is, the readers would not believe if it came from me.

Would thou also tell us why the teacher is unable to advance the abhyasi spiritually?

The suggestions have obviously limits :-)

"for example, to work by suggesting that someone who has abandoned the mission will return"

I know this is the kind of process that one undergoes, and more so from people that we know, and believe to want to do well.

In my case, however, I have taken the lead by addressing the abhyasis of Chari by all the names of birds (Bird-brain) : I'm sure they would not want me to return to their cult! :-)

Yet the sense of my last post is honesty.

Some abhyasis were influenced by blogs while that the choice should have come from them.

Today they have doubts about their decision because they feel they have lost something essential.

(Continuation and end)

We have a spiritual responsibility to be cleansed.

If an abhyasi doubts that he has made the right choice, then, he must return to SRCMtm and not wait, and watch the situation from the inside after having had an outside view.

So he will obtain the means to make a choice that comes from himself, if indeed the "suggestions" which is he is the target leaves him that.

If he decides to leave, he must really have faith, and look hard.
Likewise, if he decides to stay!

"Should The Master not have direct experience of the spiritual realms"

Absolutism demonstrates an inability to understand the complexity of the world, general relativism, the nuances and subtlety of the universe.

It shows a total misunderstanding of nature and the compensatory need to construct a safe mental building.

It is the opposite of living a spirituality which brings us constantly in front of the unknowable.

For this reason, I am awed by the thoughts of Lalaji, whereas with Babuji, an exclusive monotheism is set in place while this exclusivity is absent from the original Sufi teaching.

If Chari has no direct experience of the spiritual realms, he seems to be used as a channel: by what, by whom, for what purpose?

Darth Vader is a beautiful metaphor for Chari.

Both are trapped in a net of influence which they have allowed to develop by ambition, indulgence, and arrogance.

A spark of good is also in Chari: perhaps it will his its work one day?

Perhaps it is already at work, guiding the lost in the maze of his ambition?

And if all this would open on an episode of light?

That's why nothing is decided on Chari and SRCMtm and I want to re-open the debate in a constructive way.

Paolo, you are essential to help us think, thank you for sharing.

Cricri

Wednesday, October 5, 2011

Ex-Abhyasi of Sahaj Marg, Cricri's Testimonial

Taken and translated from a comment from Cricri, an ex-abhyasis of 18 years (with Chari): Le Témoignage de Cricri", on Elodie's blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg.

Christian is a Research Psychologist and Psycho-linguist.



Comments and insertions by 4d-Don are in "red italics"


September 30, 2011

Cricri's Testimonial

Pushing the thinking further: Are the dissidents wrong on the essentials?

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Cricri's blog: http://srcmtm-fr.blogspot.com/



I have asked this question repeatedly during this discussion - to one and all, on the blogs and in private and to myself over and over again, trying to contemplate the situation so as to know for sure.

Why is the answer not more clear? Why is it that I return to these questions, which imply that, maybe I was wrong about Chari and that I have misled the abhyasis by drawing them in my revolutionary wake?

Because undeniably, there is some spirit with Chari. Because despite his behavior, despite what he causes, despite the rotten fruit of this tree, the divine makes Its way regardless of the ability of men.

I know that all of the abhyasis SRCMtm continue to question themselves on a recurrent and similar phenomenon: How can "spiritually advanced" people - as found in the inner circle of Chari or in important posts in the "mission" - have such a gross personality, an arrogance so visible, and such a heinous behavior?

The answer they find is always "the ego", one of the central concerns of Chari's abhyasis (disciples), about which nobody ever talks among the dissident groups. The ego (the devil) is, along with the samskaras (sins), reincarnation (hell), liberation (access to Heaven), master (Christ the Saviour), the Self (Spirit), and the center (God) , one of the structural elements of the hindu-ized Judeo-Christian dogma which founded the software of SRCMtm (Judeo-Christianity has been proven to be able to control the masses and to manipulate history. It was destroyed by the Freemasons and its associates, to remove the fangs and the claws of the Church.) However, it (ego?) is necessary. The psychobiological universal structure, or the machine language, is transcribed into an exotic cultural matrix, to appear as a new software functionality so as to be accepted easier: it is still the same system of power, manipulating the levers of the same fear and desire - the stick and the carrot).

Anyone who has an ego-rush falls (into hell), and all the people who gravitate around Chari have been chosen by him for these positions of proximity, so that he can better work on them - implying the poor souls, let us have pity on their miserable condition for we, the small people of SRCMtm are worth much more than these great(s), (since we do not need to undergo this favoured treatment of deep cleaning (de-carboning?).

I have long believed this mythology which sounds pretty logical. I, however noticed over time, after 10 or 15 years, that those close to the master were hoplessly thick (dense), and that they were really getting rather worse. It was still rather confusing, since the master it seemed, performed on them a specific job so as to get them out of their human misery.

It seemed instead that they were rather more arrogant, and some, which I will not mention by name, were sometimes openly hateful towards some abhyasis - enough to be widely unpopular in the movement (humiliation + jealousy = brotherly love? ).

Therefore, there came a time when another hypothesis has made its way into my mind: the mythology of common sense was a mythology. Which meant that either (i) Chari was doing no specific spiritual work on these people in the inner circle so as to make them "evolve" (inability or abuse), and (ii) that he used the most vile characteristics to develop and manage the pyramid of power on top of which he continued to climb ( pushiness, ambition).

But this meant above all else, something even worse: Chari could not be a spiritual master if he had such practices, such tactics and such aims - and although he claims to be the spiritual successor of Babuji, and although he had the support of some Western abhyasis, whom he knew how to manipulate in the 80's and 90's, so as to return to power in India with a legitimate dissidence.

Numbers of "old abhyasis" have deserted the entourage of Chari over time. Most were illustrious unknowns, but some were of stature, and some, not the least, were spoken about in their retreat from the movement with varying degrees of commotion. Invariably, the rumors among the mass of followers, was that these former devotees had all fallen thanks to the media. They had a crisis of ego, and they turned their backs on the Holy Spirit, on God and on His messenger Chari-Saviour.

Myself, when I joined the movement in the late 80s, I was somewhat confused by the unexpected meeting with a preceptor from a group of dissidents a few days after my introductory sittings in Chari's faction ... I found myself accidentally thrown into the heart of the conflict, opponents Chari wanting to tell me nothing, advising me to follow my path, and accepting that I come meditate with them while continuing with Chari's group, and some others telling me that the dissidents did not recognize the new master, and advised me not to go ...

So I took this as an excuse to ask, a few months later, for a personal interview with Chari, and to meet him for the first time. I wanted to ask him some questions, with the idea of ​​the character test, to get an opinion and to choose one group or another. On the point of psychology, Chari had replied "They failed to recognize the Master where he is." - Speaking of the spiritual principle that the Anglo-Saxons call the "holy ghost", the "holy fantasm" or the Holy Spirit.

I was 20, Chari impressed me with the clarity of his thought, the spiritual energy that emanated from him, and the message of the teachings that he made me discover. The dissidents that I knew formed a splinter group, not organized, consisting of ego-centered individuals with a spirituality which seemed to be more of a memory than a powerful stream. I had no experience relevant to my aspiration. In the group of Chari on the contrary, I found an organization rich in potential, a living master who seemed to have backbone, especially, who had the spirit with him. It is this last point that had determined my choice. More precisely, this first meeting with Chari had been foundational. There was no more doubt, no more questions. I had seen the two alternatives, I knew for sure.

The first years were totally carefree. I was carried by my aspiration and the aspiration of the group, a great power prevailed, togetherness was still in the human dimensions and each found its place. Spirituality was at the heart of this beautiful enterprise. We had, at the seminars, three, sometimes four satsanghs per day. Chari came to France several times a year. The spirit was always present and we were immersed in all this joy, this dynamic. It was wonderful.

Over time, the SRCM has become the SRCMtm, a monstrous machine to crush the hearts and souls, a factory to indoctrinate with the sole ambition "A Brave New World" (general trend of global society). Around 1995, I began to realize the shift that had taken place in the organization, I think in the early 90s. In 1997, it was very visible, with the introduction of a new structure and more stringent operating rules for the expansion to come, I began to take real distance, tortured between my unsatisfied desire, my total indoctrination, and incomprehension in the face of the destruction of the soul of the mission which was taking place.

Until 2005, I thought that this destruction was the result of abhyasis and management teams. I trusted in Chari, believing it was a temporary stage in the process, all the energy that was involved in the establishment of the structure but soon, a focus on spirituality would take place. Between 1998 and 2005, I continued my practice with the regular use of individual sittings, but I would not attend the exceptional group meditations.

In 2005, I took stock of the situation as it became clear that my practice was declining more and more. I had to try to revive a practice followed by more and more involvement in the social life of the mission, since the pressure of indoctrination in messages by Chari were having their effect on my thinking.

I went to Italy and to Denmark, two international seminars. What I saw stunned me. A collective madness had infected the masses. The attention was focused not AT ALL on spirituality, but on the purchase of land and buildings for the ashrams, and so on fundraising.

In a seminar, the son of Chari animated the auction of objects and works offered by the abhyasis to the mission. As few participants had come to support the first auction, it was decided to organize the following auction at the time of satsangh, because everyone would be present. It was a scandal. Abhyasis, disgusted, turned on the son of Chari in the discussions which took place the following hours and days. This hated son was an immoral representative, able to exchange the sacred for the profane at very vile prices, to please his father.

At the next seminar, responding to the wave of protests with contempt and arrogance - as usual, it was Chari himself who animated the auctions ...

Doubt was no longer possible, many abhyasis fell from on (their) high, wondering if their idol had not become senile. Still seeking for excuses, I was one of those who assumed that the inner circle of Chari, consisting of the worst social climbers of the mission, had rotted his mind by contaminating him gradually with subversive ideas. At the same time, I saw him host a sale with my own eyes. And I saw a person self-assured, methodical, manipulative, working in full knowledge of what he did and for what purpose, playing with the idolatry of the abhyasis to make them empty their pockets.

So I had at one time or another to go through the full process and test Chari - you know the rest.

Yet could there not be something else behind all these symptoms? Behind this grim reality, sordid, and animalistic?

What if Chari, despite his repeated criminal acts, was a tool of the divine, unconscious, driven from above? And if the spirit of God flowed through him? And if Chari was a master anyway?

I have heard the arguments from one and the many. I saw with my own eyes the one and the many. I lived and I felt. I analyzed and I dis-endoctrinated. I learned the difference between power and spirituality, or at least got some insight so as to know that there is a difference.

And yet, I confess, I never managed to find this certainty, after years of quest that Chari is not a channel.

So I open this section of my blog to officially launch a discussion in which I invite everyone, both from one camp or the other, to make constructed and constructive arguments. This is an important debate, as it aims to (i) confirm or (ii) reject the hypothesis of the dissidents.

If (ii) is correct, it is important that those who were misled by the blogs may have the elements so they can find their way - or rather, to take an informed decision for their own spiritual destiny.

Cricri

Sahaj Marg's Babuji, A VERY Special Personality!!

Taken and translated from an article by Alexis: Babuji, Une Personalité TRÈS Spéciale, on Elodie's Blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg.

Comments and insertions by 4d-Don are in "red italics"


Alexis Said:

Babuji, a VERY Special Personality!
In her last message, Élodie expressed concerns about the possibility that Babuji was also a dangerous illuminated.
In the eyes of an ordinary person - who is not mired in spiritualism as in Sahaj Marg - what is known of his life could be reduced to something between onirism, paranoia, (apocalyptic) prophesy and mediumship:
- Onirism:First, the transmission between Lalaji and Babuji in the transition from the life to the death of Lalaji in 1931, then the dreams of Babuji between 1944 and 1945 where he was successively occupied by Lalaji, Vivekananda, Baqi Billah, etc..
- Paranoia:First, between 1931 and 1945 when he feared for his life from jealous competitors, then at the end of his life between 1981 and 83 when he believes that some are conspiring against him, is afraid of being poisoned or assassinated.
- Apocalyptic Prophesy:
Particularly in the early 50s, in his book "Reality at Dawn" (Chapter: My vision) where he sees England sinking under the sea, then in 1955 when he insists that he foretold the change of direction of the Gulf Stream ...
- Mediumship:
With his words from beyond the grave recorded in Whispers, where he continues to announce the upheaval of the world, a nuclear Apocalypse, the arrival of aliens on earth, a new chosen people with the Indigo children, etc..

Spiritually, Babuji is considered a special personality by the proponents of Sahaj Marg, as well as by Chari and KC Narayana and Kasturi. Special personality in the sense that his place and his role are significant to the spiritual (adepts), in the example of the other great saints of all times, such as Jesus, Ramakrishna, Vivekananda, Kabir and Muhammad ...
For an ordinary person, Babuji is a very special personality, a dangerous visionary who navigates between dreamlike (oniric) messages, paranoid behaviour, apocalyptic prophesies, and mediumship from beyond the grave.
Spiritualism has a broad back!
Alexis



Cri-cri Said:

Hello Elodie!
I myself have deep reservations about the whole aristosphere of Sahaj Marg, but I realize that by leaving the space to a single point of view, the blogs have gradually fallen into the same excesses as their opponents.
So would you allow me to publish this message for you to post on your blog for discussion?
I agree:
Babuji seems to have been a fanatic of the first category with the defects listed here. A constant among the mystics is that they are inherently enlightened. And because they are illuminated, they all tend to be excessive in a particular direction, causing an imbalance in their absolute cognitive organization, a form of self-hypnotic obsession.
Parenthetically, those who do aspire to spirituality, with even a foot in reason and normality, are always in one way or another, in a broken life. Someone balanced, responsive, good in his shoes, would not aspire to the beyond.
I would add to the list by Alexis, other elements that are also indications of a basic problem, such as:
1) the suicide of his (Babuji's) son, perhaps revealing a problematic emotional dynamics in the family structure - not only of the sole fact of a Babuji, but of a more ancient ancestry which also resulted in creating a Babuji
2) the intrigues of power with the historical rivalry between religious Hinduism and Islam for the spiritual fatherhood of the (spiritual) technique, especially criticiseable, but understandable in the context
3) the excess of the absolute nature of the teaching, which borders on obsession, since the master is everything, and annihilates the individual, love is permanent and focused on a single object in constant remembrance, in contradiction with others proposals about the spiritual essence of nature: balance
4) the fruit of the tree (section missing from message)
For example.
(Message #2)
But I strongly temper my words and would also counter-balance the claims of Alexis - it must be remembered, (Alexis) has no approach to spirituality, as he recognizes himself. For this gap, he may lack some elements of understanding that led him to his conclusions a little early. But it is his role and he plays it.
1) none of us has known Babuji directly. Those having approached have had an indelible impression, often so strong that it caused the illumination of more than one - to be truly enlightened, it's contagious! Babuji never said he was perfect, it was his disciples who said it. He introduced himself as a mere human being, sometimes doubting himself to the utmost, and putting everything one his master. He knew he had faults, that he was insignificant. His master was everything to him. He (Lalaji, his Master) was not a CEO who hired an employee to act as his successor in a political show, as we have seen recently (and some employees can now resign, an extravagance never seen in a disciple), (a reference to Ajay Kumar Bhatter) but a true mystical relationship between a master and his disciple. If this relationship is imaginary, then the case of Babuji is psychiatric. But can it be imagined, considering the spiritual strength that emanated from Babuji?

Also, if this relationship is not imaginary, (i) Babuji was what he claimed to be (the disciple of his master - not the special personality, which it is others who say), and (ii) the phenomenon may happen again in the near future or distant (eg, if the Chari-sts become too delirious: failure and rupture of the connection by a Muslim, and the emergence of a new haloed head (Saint?), schism and attempted murder)
2) many ambiguities and inconsistencies could potentially be reduced or waived if it were possible to have the clarification of the author (but beware: many of them are creations of the disciples of Babuji) - alas, we are today, unfortunately under the dubious intermediaries, and sentenced to speculate on many events. For example, to say that Babuji was paranoid at the end of his life because he thought he would be killed is an gratuiteous attack. Some aged people experience a profound change in their perception and their cognitive processes, and traits of paranoia sometimes appear after 80 years in subjects which were previously balanced. This paranoia in the elderly is simply an expression of a deep insecurity due to the reduction of physical control over the environment, combined with an impairment of the cognitive and sensory. Caregivers for the elderly are trained to secure the individual through touch.

(Message #3)

In addition, Babuji is dead of an apparent poisoning, while there are no shortage of strange stories about this whole affair. We must also consider what this disappearance has permitted ... Intuitively, because I can not reach a logical proof from the elements that I have, I think it is likely that Babuji was killed. So what seems to have been paranoia on his part could just as easily be an informed intuition. About the (paranoid?) episode of his youth, it could be a stage of spiritual development. Our psyche is full of anguish, and to turn one's attention inward forces us necessarily to confront it.
3) the spiritual phenomenon is a reality. Its explanation is another thing. Denying the problem or to reduce it to a mental illness, is one position. Facing the phenomenon, we therefore have on one hand those which intimate experience has convinced, and on the other hand, those who have no personal experience, and who are convinced otherwise. To the first, the society offers various institutions to indulge their pleasure. To the latter, society offers the right to consolidate. Life is not an hallucination, and when the stream is free of biopsychic structures which put it into shape, the inner experience changes with possible upheavals, and is always inadequate to the socially shared standard. In addition, our dead continue to live in us. Some, like Babuji, seem to have extended their presence in an area much larger than their direct offsprings. It is possible to commune with them and benefit from their help and guidance - do not ask me how it works but there is always more than what we know. Life is a mystery and a source of wonder.
4) messages (Whispers?) from across the Atlantic are a political manipulation of the masses and SRCMtm. Are they from Babuji? I have my doubts. If you can subscribe to certain themes, their use is suspect: to frighten and conquer? The aliens may be playing humanity into an unenviable role, and the biological resources of our planet may be an important wealth in a sidereal desert. Would a superior intelligence not act in accordance with our imaginative abilities to achieve its purpose?
Let us wait and see: if the aliens did not exist, they would probably be invented - and who would take charge of that?
Cri-cri
Friday, September 23, 2011



Alexis Said:


@ Christian,

Welcome Back,

I understand (accept) not being "spiritual" (I've never hidden and instead often reminded everyone, so as to not fool anyone), but since you seem unable to explain what it is, it limits the exchanges and discussions on the subject.
We basically said: spirituality is experienced, it can not be explained.
OK, then act! But I experienced there thirty years ago, without results. I even met Chari with a group of friends at that time. They were (allegedly) illuminated, not me.
So!? Have I not the same right as the others? I was too materialistic to let myself be subjugated? I had too much stigma?
There is probably a little of all this, I think.
But the illumination of friends sometimes persisted, sometimes it disappeared.
Personally, I put this illumination to the account of the charisma or Chari or Babuji. Charisma is nothing else than the result of a huge public expectations, vis-à-vis a personality which is a little unconventional.
Too bad no one is able to be more precise with relative objectivity about what they could have felt in contact with these two people ...

Tuesday, September 27, 2011

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Sahaj Marg(tm) Reflections On The Suicide Of An Abhyasi!

Taken from an article by cricri: "Reflexion autour d'un suicide", a research psychologist and psycho linguist, and an ex-abhyasi (of 18 years) of Chari. Taken from Elodie's blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg.

Cricri has a blog (French): Analyse de la SRCM



August 16, 2011

Reflections on a suicide


I received more details on the context of the suicide of Eugenyi from a mutual friend who met him a few days before the tragedy.

Some points are factual. Others are hypothetical.

Summary of the facts as they have been reported to me:

1) Eugenyi indulged excessively and passionately in the practice of meditation - several hours a day. So he was a good abhyasi, according to Chari's standards, as reflected in his speeches, since Eugenyi took into account the pressure and the urgency to evolve spiritually and the pressure to perform diligently and seriously as distilled by the agent, Chari, in his manipulative speeches.

2) About 4 years before his suicide, Eugenyi had begun to lose touch with reality. The phenomenon was amplified to be manifested by hallucinations will say some, and by the ability to exist consciously in the astral world and have all sorts of experiences at will, will be reported by Eugenyi. Eugenyi who had always had the ability of self-analysis, self-criticism and self-mockery, was unable to step back from his mental experiences, even with the influence of external sources (friends and family ).

3) Eugenyi has been rejected by the community of abhyasis of SRCMtm (Minsk, Belarus) when his psychiatric condition was found out. It seems that this rejection was due to directives from the upper levels of the pyramid of control.

4) It is this rejection by the community he had known for 15 years (slightly less than half of his life), which had become everything to him, which was associated with the meaning of his life as a means to achieve it, which plunged him into a deep depression leading to this act of destruction. We must remember how (i) the practice of SRCMtm weakens the individual by making it hyper-sensitive, (ii) the explicit and implicit mental indoctrination incurred as SRCMtm abolished the discriminative intelligence of the individual, and ( iii) the absolutism (ie excess) which transpires from each component of the megalomaniac SRCMtm under the influence of its chairman.

5) The method used by Eugenyi to kill himself left him no chance of escape. Hence, it was not a cry for help (failed suicide attempt, that is to say, leading to a effective suicide despite a desire not to actually kill oneself), but the manifestation of his absolute despair (jump from his apartment on the 10th floor).

Speculation explored during the discussions:

1) Some have argued that Eugenyi was initially psychologically fragile and that the practice of meditation on predisposed psychological grounds had triggered the crisis, in the same way that cannabis is known to trigger schizophrenia in susceptible adolescents. If this hypothesis were true, it would not have been 10 years (approximately) before the spiritual experiences of Eugenyi turned into hallucinations and the related phenomena. Such effects would have occurred more quickly, after only a few months of practice, as the psychotic decompensation occurs soon after taking cannabis in an adolescent predisposed to schizophrenia, not 10 years later. With such a latency, the practice followed / suffered by Eugenyi could only have been a trigger. It was probably more of a cause.

2) An alternative hypothesis is that the practice of meditation without proper spiritual guidance (that is to say, under the guidance of an incapable spiritual guide such as Chari or his incapble, mindless minions) has caused mental chaos in the abhyasi , which was amplified without the possibility of correction (no guide) as a result of the intensity of the practice. There is no doubt that with an appropriate spiritual leader, or at least dealing properly and responsibly with its abhyasis, an individual developing this type of error would have been extended in the direction of the Self. The failure of the SRCMtm on this individual was evidently a bad publicity for a predatory, expansionist, and cancerous organization, but also a potential source of doubt in the ranks of its followers, thus weakening the house (Mission). For these two strategic reasons, the leaders of the sect had to remove the source of wake-up calls as they have always done with any source of thought, dissent, or simply the truth. The rejection of Eugenyi by the cult is directly responsible for the crisis that followed.

3) The overreaction of the abhyasi reveals the power of the mental influence of the cult of the individual: the cult is everything, the indoctrinated individual who is rejected by the cult is nothing. The resulting despair leads him to prefer self-destruction instead of trying to rebuild his life and to continue his quest. Even that possibility no longer exists. The mental indoctrination imprinted on the individual by the Sri Rahhh javapala Chari-Mi-Sion tm, (Chari's SRCMtm?) is incredibly effective, and now we can say, life-threatening.

Useful or not to Eugenyi?

Useful or not for those who subscribe (adepts)?

Join the futile with the agreeable: Take Eugenyi with you in your prayers.

Cricri



See also;

Sahaj Marg(tm), Meditation, Depression, Hallucination, Suicide
A Tribute to a Deceased (suicide) Abhyasi of Sahaj Marg(tm)

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