Taken and translated from an article by Alexis: Babuji, Une Personalité TRÈS Spéciale, on Elodie's Blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg.
Comments and insertions by 4d-Don are in "red italics"
Alexis Said:
Babuji, a VERY Special Personality!
In her last message, Élodie expressed concerns about the possibility that Babuji was also a dangerous illuminated.
In the eyes of an ordinary person - who is not mired in spiritualism as in Sahaj Marg - what is known of his life could be reduced to something between onirism, paranoia, (apocalyptic) prophesy and mediumship:
- Onirism:First, the transmission between Lalaji and Babuji in the transition from the life to the death of Lalaji in 1931, then the dreams of Babuji between 1944 and 1945 where he was successively occupied by Lalaji, Vivekananda, Baqi Billah, etc..
- Paranoia:First, between 1931 and 1945 when he feared for his life from jealous competitors, then at the end of his life between 1981 and 83 when he believes that some are conspiring against him, is afraid of being poisoned or assassinated.
- Apocalyptic Prophesy:
Particularly in the early 50s, in his book "Reality at Dawn" (Chapter: My vision) where he sees England sinking under the sea, then in 1955 when he insists that he foretold the change of direction of the Gulf Stream ...
- Mediumship:
With his words from beyond the grave recorded in Whispers, where he continues to announce the upheaval of the world, a nuclear Apocalypse, the arrival of aliens on earth, a new chosen people with the Indigo children, etc..
Spiritually, Babuji is considered a special personality by the proponents of Sahaj Marg, as well as by Chari and KC Narayana and Kasturi. Special personality in the sense that his place and his role are significant to the spiritual (adepts), in the example of the other great saints of all times, such as Jesus, Ramakrishna, Vivekananda, Kabir and Muhammad ...
For an ordinary person, Babuji is a very special personality, a dangerous visionary who navigates between dreamlike (oniric) messages, paranoid behaviour, apocalyptic prophesies, and mediumship from beyond the grave.
Spiritualism has a broad back!
Alexis
Cri-cri Said:
Hello Elodie!
I myself have deep reservations about the whole aristosphere of Sahaj Marg, but I realize that by leaving the space to a single point of view, the blogs have gradually fallen into the same excesses as their opponents.
So would you allow me to publish this message for you to post on your blog for discussion?
I agree:
Babuji seems to have been a fanatic of the first category with the defects listed here. A constant among the mystics is that they are inherently enlightened. And because they are illuminated, they all tend to be excessive in a particular direction, causing an imbalance in their absolute cognitive organization, a form of self-hypnotic obsession.
Parenthetically, those who do aspire to spirituality, with even a foot in reason and normality, are always in one way or another, in a broken life. Someone balanced, responsive, good in his shoes, would not aspire to the beyond.
I would add to the list by Alexis, other elements that are also indications of a basic problem, such as:
1) the suicide of his (Babuji's) son, perhaps revealing a problematic emotional dynamics in the family structure - not only of the sole fact of a Babuji, but of a more ancient ancestry which also resulted in creating a Babuji
2) the intrigues of power with the historical rivalry between religious Hinduism and Islam for the spiritual fatherhood of the (spiritual) technique, especially criticiseable, but understandable in the context
3) the excess of the absolute nature of the teaching, which borders on obsession, since the master is everything, and annihilates the individual, love is permanent and focused on a single object in constant remembrance, in contradiction with others proposals about the spiritual essence of nature: balance
4) the fruit of the tree (section missing from message)
For example.
(Message #2)
But I strongly temper my words and would also counter-balance the claims of Alexis - it must be remembered, (Alexis) has no approach to spirituality, as he recognizes himself. For this gap, he may lack some elements of understanding that led him to his conclusions a little early. But it is his role and he plays it.
1) none of us has known Babuji directly. Those having approached have had an indelible impression, often so strong that it caused the illumination of more than one - to be truly enlightened, it's contagious! Babuji never said he was perfect, it was his disciples who said it. He introduced himself as a mere human being, sometimes doubting himself to the utmost, and putting everything one his master. He knew he had faults, that he was insignificant. His master was everything to him. He (Lalaji, his Master) was not a CEO who hired an employee to act as his successor in a political show, as we have seen recently (and some employees can now resign, an extravagance never seen in a disciple), (a reference to Ajay Kumar Bhatter) but a true mystical relationship between a master and his disciple. If this relationship is imaginary, then the case of Babuji is psychiatric. But can it be imagined, considering the spiritual strength that emanated from Babuji?
Also, if this relationship is not imaginary, (i) Babuji was what he claimed to be (the disciple of his master - not the special personality, which it is others who say), and (ii) the phenomenon may happen again in the near future or distant (eg, if the Chari-sts become too delirious: failure and rupture of the connection by a Muslim, and the emergence of a new haloed head (Saint?), schism and attempted murder)
2) many ambiguities and inconsistencies could potentially be reduced or waived if it were possible to have the clarification of the author (but beware: many of them are creations of the disciples of Babuji) - alas, we are today, unfortunately under the dubious intermediaries, and sentenced to speculate on many events. For example, to say that Babuji was paranoid at the end of his life because he thought he would be killed is an gratuiteous attack. Some aged people experience a profound change in their perception and their cognitive processes, and traits of paranoia sometimes appear after 80 years in subjects which were previously balanced. This paranoia in the elderly is simply an expression of a deep insecurity due to the reduction of physical control over the environment, combined with an impairment of the cognitive and sensory. Caregivers for the elderly are trained to secure the individual through touch.
(Message #3)
In addition, Babuji is dead of an apparent poisoning, while there are no shortage of strange stories about this whole affair. We must also consider what this disappearance has permitted ... Intuitively, because I can not reach a logical proof from the elements that I have, I think it is likely that Babuji was killed. So what seems to have been paranoia on his part could just as easily be an informed intuition. About the (paranoid?) episode of his youth, it could be a stage of spiritual development. Our psyche is full of anguish, and to turn one's attention inward forces us necessarily to confront it.
3) the spiritual phenomenon is a reality. Its explanation is another thing. Denying the problem or to reduce it to a mental illness, is one position. Facing the phenomenon, we therefore have on one hand those which intimate experience has convinced, and on the other hand, those who have no personal experience, and who are convinced otherwise. To the first, the society offers various institutions to indulge their pleasure. To the latter, society offers the right to consolidate. Life is not an hallucination, and when the stream is free of biopsychic structures which put it into shape, the inner experience changes with possible upheavals, and is always inadequate to the socially shared standard. In addition, our dead continue to live in us. Some, like Babuji, seem to have extended their presence in an area much larger than their direct offsprings. It is possible to commune with them and benefit from their help and guidance - do not ask me how it works but there is always more than what we know. Life is a mystery and a source of wonder.
4) messages (Whispers?) from across the Atlantic are a political manipulation of the masses and SRCMtm. Are they from Babuji? I have my doubts. If you can subscribe to certain themes, their use is suspect: to frighten and conquer? The aliens may be playing humanity into an unenviable role, and the biological resources of our planet may be an important wealth in a sidereal desert. Would a superior intelligence not act in accordance with our imaginative abilities to achieve its purpose?
Let us wait and see: if the aliens did not exist, they would probably be invented - and who would take charge of that?
Cri-cri
Friday, September 23, 2011
Alexis Said:
@ Christian,
Welcome Back,
I understand (accept) not being "spiritual" (I've never hidden and instead often reminded everyone, so as to not fool anyone), but since you seem unable to explain what it is, it limits the exchanges and discussions on the subject.
We basically said: spirituality is experienced, it can not be explained.
OK, then act! But I experienced there thirty years ago, without results. I even met Chari with a group of friends at that time. They were (allegedly) illuminated, not me.
So!? Have I not the same right as the others? I was too materialistic to let myself be subjugated? I had too much stigma?
There is probably a little of all this, I think.
But the illumination of friends sometimes persisted, sometimes it disappeared.
Personally, I put this illumination to the account of the charisma or Chari or Babuji. Charisma is nothing else than the result of a huge public expectations, vis-à-vis a personality which is a little unconventional.
Too bad no one is able to be more precise with relative objectivity about what they could have felt in contact with these two people ...
Tuesday, September 27, 2011
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Friday, September 23, 2011
Tuesday, September 20, 2011
Sahaj Marg(tm)? "What An Ass"!!
Is this SPIRITUALITY "Sahaj Marg(tm)" Style?? Or is this another example of SPIRITUALISM or SPIRITISM? Is this what will make the world more SPIRITUAL and less "materialist" or "sensualist"??
I guess, like some "businessmen" and/or "agents", some must think that if a pseudo-spiritual agent pushes (like a street drug dealer?) a commercial product while standing on his/her 'tippy toes" (ballet?), it shows that he/she has "class"!! It does not, of course. And, if a sales agent promotes or pushes a crass or "corrupt?" material commercial product while entering in a daily navel-gazing bliss, then it must mean that it is "SPIRIT-uality". Again, it does not!!
NOT ... NOT ... NOT ...
From the Newspaper Times of India article by Rajiv Singh, Sept. 20, 2011: Flying Machine's new advertisement draws controversy
"....One of India's early home-grown jeans brands, Flying Machine (see below), over the weekend, released a print advertisement that shows the picture of a female model wearing tight fit jeans around her buttocks, with the catchline in big, bold font screaming: 'What an Ass!' It was probably meant to highlight the oomph and cool quotient in an old brand, perhaps even mimic the edginess of the 'All asses were not created equal' tagline in an advertisement last year by larger rival Levi Strauss & Co. While the jury is out on whether Flying Machine's latest campaign has found resonance with the cool set, the advertisement is generating heat in some quarters. "
The new advertising campaign for Arvind Mills' blue denim jeans is drawing controversy in India. According to an article in the Times of India ( Rajiv Singh, Sept. 20, 2011) Flying Machine's New Advertisement Draws Controversy, Arvind Mills is promoting their new brand: "Flying Machine" blue jeans, by depicting the ass of a woman. This is allegedly not as acceptable as the company thought, and some women's rights activists are crying "foul".
What does this have to to with Sahaj Marg(tm)??
Here is the profile of the Lalbhai Group, and for Arvind Mills and their "board of directors"
The Chairman and Managing director of Arvind Mills, Sanjay Lalbhai, is (or was) also a trustee of the Sahaj Marg Spirituality Foundation (SMSF). The "chairman" stated in an interview that the immediate goal of his company was 10% of the US "blue jean" market. (see here from the patent office of the USA). Accpording to Chari (in one of his speeches), Sanjay also made donations to the SRCM. Later, Chari was seen (and photographed) wearing a new pair of "western blue jeans", which were rumoured to have cost (accompanied by a donation of?) "a million bucks".
Corporate structure for Sahaj Marg Spirituality Foundation (SMSF), Roswell Georgia (of UFO fame ... Flying Machine?? ) ...
Women's rights groups are incensed, and rightly so. Betrayed again, and by the women of Sahaj Marg(tm) who say NOTHING!! Would you, the "judas goats" inside Sahaj Marg(tm), also sell your girls to this type of advertisement campaign, (simply because a businessman, a profiteer donated to your so-called "corrupt" new religion??
Apparently some "GURUS", who preach and point at others, also have flexible ethics and morals and would trade their endorsement for a price or a donation. (the end justifies the means ... Machiavelli). All are FREE to build their commercial and nationalist empires, but stop preaching at the rest of the world, like pseudo-spiritualist hypocrites. BE HONEST !!
Ah! Ah! Ah! What a mess! What a mess!! What a SPIRITUALIST mess!!
First, with Sahaj Marg(tm), the company-line was "think with your heart (the PUMP for blood) not with your brain". And then, from one of its pseudo-spiritual trustees, it now is: "What an ASS"!! Is Sahaj Marg(tm) drifting toward: "Think with your ass"?? I thought it was western men who were said (by some women) to "think with their penis"??
Come on Women!! Are some of you still led by the nose by some pseudo-spiritual old farts who want to see your young girls in "what an ass", sexy, pair of western blue jeans! Do you still believe in their MALE GOD?? Their BRIGHTER WORLD?? Are you still kneeling before those who discriminate on the basis of gender (sexism), or "skin complexion" (racism), or sexual preference (Homosexuality) ?? According to Chari, all religions promote violence and war (see your VBSE curriculum, lesson X). Is that "tolerance" for other religions??
How "FUNDAMENTALIST" !!
Call your anonymous French Lady MEDIUM and ask the "spirit" of deceased Babuji (SPIRITUALISM) !! ... and Chari or his so-called "medium" will answer!! (Is that "spiritualist" CONTROL??) You will of course believe that it is Babuji who spoke the message. How silly!! How SPIRITUALIST!!
Women have struggled long in opposition to being branded and/or marketed as: chicks, foxy, rabbits (breeders of loose morals), broads, etc...
An "ass", beside being a "behind", and hence, not a leading part of the human anatomy, is also the name of an alleged dense, and "dumb" animal !!
But: "What an ass"!! eh?? Ka-ching, Ka-ching!! It's all about MONEY!! And POWER!! Taking over commercial markets!! That is the SPIRITUALITY of India, being exported to our shores!!
Sahaj Marg(tm) and SRCM(California-1997) is once again shown to be simply a gang of nationalist, imperialist, SPIRITUALIST businessmen, who are not very SPIRITUAL ... Sahaj Marg(tm) claims to be a Raja Yoga, starting at step #7. Now we know why. One can do anything as long as one "meditates" or "prays", ignoring steps 1 to 6 of Patanjali's Raja Yoga. Does that now sound like every other RELIGION??
I join John Lennon of the Beatles:
"Imagine there's no country and no religion too..."
Where in Raja Yoga is the ethics and morality of: "What an ass" ??
No sex please ... we are SPIRITUAL!! ;-))
I have only one (facetious) complaint or suggestion:
Could "Flying Machine" use the "ass" of a more "mature" woman !! ;-) Say, a 70 year old woman?? lol lol
Maybe all the "mature" women in Sahaj Marg(tm) are chasing the young men!! So they live with shame and can't "speak out"!! Ah! How Power corrupts!!
Power tends to confuse itself with virtue and a great nation is particularly susceptible to the idea that its power is a sign of God's favor, conferring upon it a special responsibility for other nations– to make them richer and happier and wiser, to remake them, that is, in its own shining image. Power confuses itself with virtue and tends also to take itself for omnipotence. Once imbued with the idea of a mission, a great nation easily assumes that it has the means as well as the duty to do God's work.
J. William Fulbright
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See also:
Chari' s Million Dollar "Western Blue Jeans"
Sahaj Marg Spirituality Foundation (SMSF) acts like a Privately-owned Fund
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I guess, like some "businessmen" and/or "agents", some must think that if a pseudo-spiritual agent pushes (like a street drug dealer?) a commercial product while standing on his/her 'tippy toes" (ballet?), it shows that he/she has "class"!! It does not, of course. And, if a sales agent promotes or pushes a crass or "corrupt?" material commercial product while entering in a daily navel-gazing bliss, then it must mean that it is "SPIRIT-uality". Again, it does not!!
NOT ... NOT ... NOT ...
From the Newspaper Times of India article by Rajiv Singh, Sept. 20, 2011: Flying Machine's new advertisement draws controversy
"....One of India's early home-grown jeans brands, Flying Machine (see below), over the weekend, released a print advertisement that shows the picture of a female model wearing tight fit jeans around her buttocks, with the catchline in big, bold font screaming: 'What an Ass!' It was probably meant to highlight the oomph and cool quotient in an old brand, perhaps even mimic the edginess of the 'All asses were not created equal' tagline in an advertisement last year by larger rival Levi Strauss & Co. While the jury is out on whether Flying Machine's latest campaign has found resonance with the cool set, the advertisement is generating heat in some quarters. "
The new advertising campaign for Arvind Mills' blue denim jeans is drawing controversy in India. According to an article in the Times of India ( Rajiv Singh, Sept. 20, 2011) Flying Machine's New Advertisement Draws Controversy, Arvind Mills is promoting their new brand: "Flying Machine" blue jeans, by depicting the ass of a woman. This is allegedly not as acceptable as the company thought, and some women's rights activists are crying "foul".
What does this have to to with Sahaj Marg(tm)??
Here is the profile of the Lalbhai Group, and for Arvind Mills and their "board of directors"
The Chairman and Managing director of Arvind Mills, Sanjay Lalbhai, is (or was) also a trustee of the Sahaj Marg Spirituality Foundation (SMSF). The "chairman" stated in an interview that the immediate goal of his company was 10% of the US "blue jean" market. (see here from the patent office of the USA). Accpording to Chari (in one of his speeches), Sanjay also made donations to the SRCM. Later, Chari was seen (and photographed) wearing a new pair of "western blue jeans", which were rumoured to have cost (accompanied by a donation of?) "a million bucks".
Corporate structure for Sahaj Marg Spirituality Foundation (SMSF), Roswell Georgia (of UFO fame ... Flying Machine?? ) ...
Women's rights groups are incensed, and rightly so. Betrayed again, and by the women of Sahaj Marg(tm) who say NOTHING!! Would you, the "judas goats" inside Sahaj Marg(tm), also sell your girls to this type of advertisement campaign, (simply because a businessman, a profiteer donated to your so-called "corrupt" new religion??
Apparently some "GURUS", who preach and point at others, also have flexible ethics and morals and would trade their endorsement for a price or a donation. (the end justifies the means ... Machiavelli). All are FREE to build their commercial and nationalist empires, but stop preaching at the rest of the world, like pseudo-spiritualist hypocrites. BE HONEST !!
Ah! Ah! Ah! What a mess! What a mess!! What a SPIRITUALIST mess!!
First, with Sahaj Marg(tm), the company-line was "think with your heart (the PUMP for blood) not with your brain". And then, from one of its pseudo-spiritual trustees, it now is: "What an ASS"!! Is Sahaj Marg(tm) drifting toward: "Think with your ass"?? I thought it was western men who were said (by some women) to "think with their penis"??
Come on Women!! Are some of you still led by the nose by some pseudo-spiritual old farts who want to see your young girls in "what an ass", sexy, pair of western blue jeans! Do you still believe in their MALE GOD?? Their BRIGHTER WORLD?? Are you still kneeling before those who discriminate on the basis of gender (sexism), or "skin complexion" (racism), or sexual preference (Homosexuality) ?? According to Chari, all religions promote violence and war (see your VBSE curriculum, lesson X). Is that "tolerance" for other religions??
How "FUNDAMENTALIST" !!
Call your anonymous French Lady MEDIUM and ask the "spirit" of deceased Babuji (SPIRITUALISM) !! ... and Chari or his so-called "medium" will answer!! (Is that "spiritualist" CONTROL??) You will of course believe that it is Babuji who spoke the message. How silly!! How SPIRITUALIST!!
Women have struggled long in opposition to being branded and/or marketed as: chicks, foxy, rabbits (breeders of loose morals), broads, etc...
An "ass", beside being a "behind", and hence, not a leading part of the human anatomy, is also the name of an alleged dense, and "dumb" animal !!
But: "What an ass"!! eh?? Ka-ching, Ka-ching!! It's all about MONEY!! And POWER!! Taking over commercial markets!! That is the SPIRITUALITY of India, being exported to our shores!!
Sahaj Marg(tm) and SRCM(California-1997) is once again shown to be simply a gang of nationalist, imperialist, SPIRITUALIST businessmen, who are not very SPIRITUAL ... Sahaj Marg(tm) claims to be a Raja Yoga, starting at step #7. Now we know why. One can do anything as long as one "meditates" or "prays", ignoring steps 1 to 6 of Patanjali's Raja Yoga. Does that now sound like every other RELIGION??
I join John Lennon of the Beatles:
"Imagine there's no country and no religion too..."
Where in Raja Yoga is the ethics and morality of: "What an ass" ??
No sex please ... we are SPIRITUAL!! ;-))
I have only one (facetious) complaint or suggestion:
Could "Flying Machine" use the "ass" of a more "mature" woman !! ;-) Say, a 70 year old woman?? lol lol
Maybe all the "mature" women in Sahaj Marg(tm) are chasing the young men!! So they live with shame and can't "speak out"!! Ah! How Power corrupts!!
Power tends to confuse itself with virtue and a great nation is particularly susceptible to the idea that its power is a sign of God's favor, conferring upon it a special responsibility for other nations– to make them richer and happier and wiser, to remake them, that is, in its own shining image. Power confuses itself with virtue and tends also to take itself for omnipotence. Once imbued with the idea of a mission, a great nation easily assumes that it has the means as well as the duty to do God's work.
J. William Fulbright
.
.
.
See also:
Chari' s Million Dollar "Western Blue Jeans"
Sahaj Marg Spirituality Foundation (SMSF) acts like a Privately-owned Fund
.
.
.
Thursday, September 08, 2011
More "destruction" being worked for at Sahaj Marg(tm)!
Comments to speech by Chari, "Scatter the Seeds of Spirituality" at the 9 March 2011, Ashram Inauguration, Raipur, India
Comments by 4d-don are in "red italics"
Now the Predictions of "Destruction" by an "apocalyptic" sectarian "cult of a (special) person":
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"Babuji Maharaj was once working on the plane when I was sitting near him, sitting next to him, coming back from, I think Europe. He was deeply engrossed – khoye-khoye baithe the. After thirty, forty minutes I asked him, “Babuji, you were lost. What were you doing?” He said, “Tum batao. [You tell me.]” So I said, “You are probably doing some work in the future.” He said, “How much in the future?” I said, “I don’t know mathematics, so I cannot tell you, but quite far in the future.” He patted me on the back and said, “Shabaash! [Well done!]” I said, “But, for such a small reply you are saying Shabaash!” He said, “You don’t know; one person in a million cannot give this answer. To know that it was in the future was itself a great answer to an important question. To know that it was quite far into the future was even better.” I said, “Now tell me what you were actually doing?” He said, “I was preparing the foundation for the special personality that will come to destroy this universe when Kali Yuga ends.” Thousands and thousands of years in the future, you see."
Now the Universe will allegedly be destroyed by a "special person-ality", (and Babuji is not that "person", as some like to claim) ... And if all the world changes? Then like all religions, they infer that no destruction will take place ... and the UNIVERSE will exist "as is" ETERNALLY, with the religions and their materialists (them also??) not existing, but all the citizens of the world serving the all-new and natural MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE, the Lord of Sahaj MART(tm) ...
Research the history of Sahaj Marg on this site, and see if you think that the UNIVERSE (nature) will favour such "divisive" and materialist (matter) endeavours which are in reality: RELIGION or spiritualism, not spirituality!! I mean "favour" by destroying everything!!
And now (see below), they even have "soldiers" and "their officers"!! Much like the other "RELIGIONS" ... another pyramid inside a pyramid ... all very religious, militarist, "materialist" (matter) and "business" structures of the OLD PARADIGM ... not SPIRIT!! And not very SPIRITUAL!! Sort of like Christianity, Islam, Judaism, et al ...
How about a song to march to? (in 4/4 time):
(The officer says: " ... by the "right" quick march ..." and everybody sings: )
"Onward Sahaj Marg(tm) Soldiers, marching as to war"
The OLD PARADIGM in a "pseudo-spiritual" veneer, which is in REALITY: SPIRITUALISM, with an anonymous French Lady Medium, messages from the "spirits", and egregores, indigo children, and now an "army"!! Ho-hum !! What a mess!!
(...)
"I am happy to see our jawans [soldiers] and their officers here; I welcome them. I am happy that our efforts have reached them too, and I hope I will see battalions of them in the future. May they progress well. May they all grow. God bless all of you."
the word: "battalions", comes from the word: "battle"... Battalions do battle!! Against whom? The forces of SATAN ?? Other religions??
A point of theology:
If there is an "end of the world" (a "mahapralaya"), then there can be no "karma" or "samskaras". The "END" cancels all the accumulated KARMA or samskaras !! Whether one has accumulated Karma (moral or ethical debts) or not, the "END of the WORLD" cancels ALL.
Then, if there is an "End of the World", there must be a "Brighter World" (or a "heaven", or a "central region"??) for those without "karma"?? Or is Sahaj Marg's "theology on the run", really a flawed theology?? Do they just make it up as they go? If there's a "heaven" which Babuji seems to say is "UP", then is there also a "hell", which would be "DOWN"?? Babuji infers that !!
Then, is there a "caretaker" in hell ?? If there is "bliss" in heaven, then is there "fire" or suffering in hell (as with the religious hell) , after the "destruction" ?? Is there still "samskaras" after the "END" ??
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Comments by 4d-don are in "red italics"
Now the Predictions of "Destruction" by an "apocalyptic" sectarian "cult of a (special) person":
(...)
"Babuji Maharaj was once working on the plane when I was sitting near him, sitting next to him, coming back from, I think Europe. He was deeply engrossed – khoye-khoye baithe the. After thirty, forty minutes I asked him, “Babuji, you were lost. What were you doing?” He said, “Tum batao. [You tell me.]” So I said, “You are probably doing some work in the future.” He said, “How much in the future?” I said, “I don’t know mathematics, so I cannot tell you, but quite far in the future.” He patted me on the back and said, “Shabaash! [Well done!]” I said, “But, for such a small reply you are saying Shabaash!” He said, “You don’t know; one person in a million cannot give this answer. To know that it was in the future was itself a great answer to an important question. To know that it was quite far into the future was even better.” I said, “Now tell me what you were actually doing?” He said, “I was preparing the foundation for the special personality that will come to destroy this universe when Kali Yuga ends.” Thousands and thousands of years in the future, you see."
Now the Universe will allegedly be destroyed by a "special person-ality", (and Babuji is not that "person", as some like to claim) ... And if all the world changes? Then like all religions, they infer that no destruction will take place ... and the UNIVERSE will exist "as is" ETERNALLY, with the religions and their materialists (them also??) not existing, but all the citizens of the world serving the all-new and natural MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE, the Lord of Sahaj MART(tm) ...
Research the history of Sahaj Marg on this site, and see if you think that the UNIVERSE (nature) will favour such "divisive" and materialist (matter) endeavours which are in reality: RELIGION or spiritualism, not spirituality!! I mean "favour" by destroying everything!!
And now (see below), they even have "soldiers" and "their officers"!! Much like the other "RELIGIONS" ... another pyramid inside a pyramid ... all very religious, militarist, "materialist" (matter) and "business" structures of the OLD PARADIGM ... not SPIRIT!! And not very SPIRITUAL!! Sort of like Christianity, Islam, Judaism, et al ...
How about a song to march to? (in 4/4 time):
(The officer says: " ... by the "right" quick march ..." and everybody sings: )
"Onward Sahaj Marg(tm) Soldiers, marching as to war"
The OLD PARADIGM in a "pseudo-spiritual" veneer, which is in REALITY: SPIRITUALISM, with an anonymous French Lady Medium, messages from the "spirits", and egregores, indigo children, and now an "army"!! Ho-hum !! What a mess!!
(...)
"I am happy to see our jawans [soldiers] and their officers here; I welcome them. I am happy that our efforts have reached them too, and I hope I will see battalions of them in the future. May they progress well. May they all grow. God bless all of you."
the word: "battalions", comes from the word: "battle"... Battalions do battle!! Against whom? The forces of SATAN ?? Other religions??
A point of theology:
If there is an "end of the world" (a "mahapralaya"), then there can be no "karma" or "samskaras". The "END" cancels all the accumulated KARMA or samskaras !! Whether one has accumulated Karma (moral or ethical debts) or not, the "END of the WORLD" cancels ALL.
Then, if there is an "End of the World", there must be a "Brighter World" (or a "heaven", or a "central region"??) for those without "karma"?? Or is Sahaj Marg's "theology on the run", really a flawed theology?? Do they just make it up as they go? If there's a "heaven" which Babuji seems to say is "UP", then is there also a "hell", which would be "DOWN"?? Babuji infers that !!
Then, is there a "caretaker" in hell ?? If there is "bliss" in heaven, then is there "fire" or suffering in hell (as with the religious hell) , after the "destruction" ?? Is there still "samskaras" after the "END" ??
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Saturday, August 27, 2011
The Lies of Fear and Temptation by Chari of Sahaj Marg(tm)!
Comments to Chari's Speech "We Have a Duty to Our World", 24 July 2011, D.J Park, Tiruppur, India, during Chari's Birthday Bash!!
Comments by 4d-Don are in "red italics"
The lie here is that according to Chari, if one changes, then there will apparently be no "destruction". And then, he states the "contradiction". How "RELIGIOUS"... and how not REALITY and/or not SPIRITUAL.
In Sahaj Marg(tm), contradictions abound, as in most religions. And they think they (and the "indigo" children) will lead mankind in the future?? These spiritual charlatans will only attract the "un-thinking" star-struck fans of fantasies, fairy tales, sci-fi, and pure silliness who will do all the work and attract the un-suspecting (women) ... and/or the "power-addicted" who will profiteer from such masses of "co-dependence" (lustful and power-addicted men who are drawn to the MATERIAL and to the pyramids of subservient "serfs").
We Have a Duty to Our World
(We have a duty to tell the TRUTH and save (conserve) some of the resources of the planet for the next generation, not simply "develop" and profiteer from everything for the benefit of the nationalist, imperialist, sexist, racist, homophobe "businessmen of Sahaj Marg(tm)" or their new RELIGION.)
24 July 2011, D.J Park, Tiruppur, India
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When you watch the old Mahabharata and things like that, I was shocked when rishi Jamadagni, a great saint, was killed by the swords of the four sons of the reigning king. (Huh? How wise can one be if one is shocked that even "spiritual" people (those who have "changed", or have no more need for change) die? Then, we have the following HOLY "revelation" by Chari: ) Spirituality does not guarantee freedom from pain, freedom from death, freedom from opposition, freedom from oppression from the government. It guarantees nothing of these. What does spirituality guarantee? (nothing??) Babuji Maharaj told me some twenty years ago, he said, “Dekho [Look], there is going to be destruction.” (Now that is simply silly and not a REVELATION at all!!) Even now, our Whispers messages that we are getting, there is always talk of destruction. I am waiting one day for at least some hopeful message – not as long as we don’t change. (Destruction and creation will happen whether one "little homo sapiens" changes or not ... GET REAL... stop telling LIES!!)
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Comments by 4d-Don are in "red italics"
The lie here is that according to Chari, if one changes, then there will apparently be no "destruction". And then, he states the "contradiction". How "RELIGIOUS"... and how not REALITY and/or not SPIRITUAL.
In Sahaj Marg(tm), contradictions abound, as in most religions. And they think they (and the "indigo" children) will lead mankind in the future?? These spiritual charlatans will only attract the "un-thinking" star-struck fans of fantasies, fairy tales, sci-fi, and pure silliness who will do all the work and attract the un-suspecting (women) ... and/or the "power-addicted" who will profiteer from such masses of "co-dependence" (lustful and power-addicted men who are drawn to the MATERIAL and to the pyramids of subservient "serfs").
We Have a Duty to Our World
(We have a duty to tell the TRUTH and save (conserve) some of the resources of the planet for the next generation, not simply "develop" and profiteer from everything for the benefit of the nationalist, imperialist, sexist, racist, homophobe "businessmen of Sahaj Marg(tm)" or their new RELIGION.)
24 July 2011, D.J Park, Tiruppur, India
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When you watch the old Mahabharata and things like that, I was shocked when rishi Jamadagni, a great saint, was killed by the swords of the four sons of the reigning king. (Huh? How wise can one be if one is shocked that even "spiritual" people (those who have "changed", or have no more need for change) die? Then, we have the following HOLY "revelation" by Chari: ) Spirituality does not guarantee freedom from pain, freedom from death, freedom from opposition, freedom from oppression from the government. It guarantees nothing of these. What does spirituality guarantee? (nothing??) Babuji Maharaj told me some twenty years ago, he said, “Dekho [Look], there is going to be destruction.” (Now that is simply silly and not a REVELATION at all!!) Even now, our Whispers messages that we are getting, there is always talk of destruction. I am waiting one day for at least some hopeful message – not as long as we don’t change. (Destruction and creation will happen whether one "little homo sapiens" changes or not ... GET REAL... stop telling LIES!!)
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So you may determine, you see, and know for certain that there will be destruction; nothing on earth can stop it. (you got that right!) All the technological genius of the West and of Japan could not stop that tsunami. Don’t be fooled by what you read in the newspapers of an early warning system for tsunamis. (That "early warning system" is not to predict the earthquake which causes the tsunami, but for the tsunami itself which travels relatively slowly. This system could save some lives and is a "technological" reality NOW) It doesn’t exist. (not true... that is simply a "lie") When the powers of nature are awakened, birds and bees and ants, they know – but we don’t know. (how silly... commune with NATURE then or ask the "pump"!! ... Nature may "tell" you!! ) We rely on seismographs, we rely on hot news on the television, most of them lies. (lies is what comes from "RELIGION" and the so-called "gurus". ) Here, what is it here [the heart] that you are not looking to? Does this give you any disaster warning? (NO ... use your HEAD, and the technololgy, not the PUMP FOR BLOOD with it's "invented" power of "fore-knowledge")
Always look here [the heart] whenever you are afraid, whenever you are going off track. (lol lol ... get "truthful"!! Ask the PUMP for BLOOD (the heart) if one wants to THINK?? NO!! ) Babuji Maharaj always said, “Don’t trust this [head]. (But he trusted it!! And so do you!! ) It is only a thinking thing. It will give you information. (the heart is not a "thinking thing", and will only give information about the Blood and it's vascular system) It cannot tell you what is right or wrong. When you are in doubt, refer to the heart.” (The heart does not tell one what is "right or wrong" either ... Look at Sahaj Marg(tm) and their religious divisive, materialist, nationalist, imperialist, racist, homophobic, sexist, power addicted, and egotistical gurus and their divisive, stressed, depressed, etc... followers! )
I pray for His blessings on all of you today. Thank you. (I suppose that since you capitalize "His", you are meaning the MALE God of Sahaj Marg(tm), and if you mean Babuji, there is no capital needed ... and he is "deceased" ... He ain't blessing anyone and he is not "whispering" any predictions for the future ... Fantasies and religious fairy tales.... not Raja Yoga or SPIRITUALITY but very much: SPIRITUALISM !!
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Tuesday, August 16, 2011
Sahaj Marg(tm) Reflections On The Suicide Of An Abhyasi!
Taken from an article by cricri: "Reflexion autour d'un suicide", a research psychologist and psycho linguist, and an ex-abhyasi (of 18 years) of Chari. Taken from Elodie's blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg.
Cricri has a blog (French): Analyse de la SRCM
August 16, 2011
Reflections on a suicide
I received more details on the context of the suicide of Eugenyi from a mutual friend who met him a few days before the tragedy.
Some points are factual. Others are hypothetical.
Summary of the facts as they have been reported to me:
1) Eugenyi indulged excessively and passionately in the practice of meditation - several hours a day. So he was a good abhyasi, according to Chari's standards, as reflected in his speeches, since Eugenyi took into account the pressure and the urgency to evolve spiritually and the pressure to perform diligently and seriously as distilled by the agent, Chari, in his manipulative speeches.
2) About 4 years before his suicide, Eugenyi had begun to lose touch with reality. The phenomenon was amplified to be manifested by hallucinations will say some, and by the ability to exist consciously in the astral world and have all sorts of experiences at will, will be reported by Eugenyi. Eugenyi who had always had the ability of self-analysis, self-criticism and self-mockery, was unable to step back from his mental experiences, even with the influence of external sources (friends and family ).
3) Eugenyi has been rejected by the community of abhyasis of SRCMtm (Minsk, Belarus) when his psychiatric condition was found out. It seems that this rejection was due to directives from the upper levels of the pyramid of control.
4) It is this rejection by the community he had known for 15 years (slightly less than half of his life), which had become everything to him, which was associated with the meaning of his life as a means to achieve it, which plunged him into a deep depression leading to this act of destruction. We must remember how (i) the practice of SRCMtm weakens the individual by making it hyper-sensitive, (ii) the explicit and implicit mental indoctrination incurred as SRCMtm abolished the discriminative intelligence of the individual, and ( iii) the absolutism (ie excess) which transpires from each component of the megalomaniac SRCMtm under the influence of its chairman.
5) The method used by Eugenyi to kill himself left him no chance of escape. Hence, it was not a cry for help (failed suicide attempt, that is to say, leading to a effective suicide despite a desire not to actually kill oneself), but the manifestation of his absolute despair (jump from his apartment on the 10th floor).
Speculation explored during the discussions:
1) Some have argued that Eugenyi was initially psychologically fragile and that the practice of meditation on predisposed psychological grounds had triggered the crisis, in the same way that cannabis is known to trigger schizophrenia in susceptible adolescents. If this hypothesis were true, it would not have been 10 years (approximately) before the spiritual experiences of Eugenyi turned into hallucinations and the related phenomena. Such effects would have occurred more quickly, after only a few months of practice, as the psychotic decompensation occurs soon after taking cannabis in an adolescent predisposed to schizophrenia, not 10 years later. With such a latency, the practice followed / suffered by Eugenyi could only have been a trigger. It was probably more of a cause.
2) An alternative hypothesis is that the practice of meditation without proper spiritual guidance (that is to say, under the guidance of an incapable spiritual guide such as Chari or his incapble, mindless minions) has caused mental chaos in the abhyasi , which was amplified without the possibility of correction (no guide) as a result of the intensity of the practice. There is no doubt that with an appropriate spiritual leader, or at least dealing properly and responsibly with its abhyasis, an individual developing this type of error would have been extended in the direction of the Self. The failure of the SRCMtm on this individual was evidently a bad publicity for a predatory, expansionist, and cancerous organization, but also a potential source of doubt in the ranks of its followers, thus weakening the house (Mission). For these two strategic reasons, the leaders of the sect had to remove the source of wake-up calls as they have always done with any source of thought, dissent, or simply the truth. The rejection of Eugenyi by the cult is directly responsible for the crisis that followed.
3) The overreaction of the abhyasi reveals the power of the mental influence of the cult of the individual: the cult is everything, the indoctrinated individual who is rejected by the cult is nothing. The resulting despair leads him to prefer self-destruction instead of trying to rebuild his life and to continue his quest. Even that possibility no longer exists. The mental indoctrination imprinted on the individual by the Sri Rahhh javapala Chari-Mi-Sion tm, (Chari's SRCMtm?) is incredibly effective, and now we can say, life-threatening.
Useful or not to Eugenyi?
Useful or not for those who subscribe (adepts)?
Join the futile with the agreeable: Take Eugenyi with you in your prayers.
Cricri
See also;
Sahaj Marg(tm), Meditation, Depression, Hallucination, Suicide
A Tribute to a Deceased (suicide) Abhyasi of Sahaj Marg(tm)
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Cricri has a blog (French): Analyse de la SRCM
August 16, 2011
Reflections on a suicide
I received more details on the context of the suicide of Eugenyi from a mutual friend who met him a few days before the tragedy.
Some points are factual. Others are hypothetical.
Summary of the facts as they have been reported to me:
1) Eugenyi indulged excessively and passionately in the practice of meditation - several hours a day. So he was a good abhyasi, according to Chari's standards, as reflected in his speeches, since Eugenyi took into account the pressure and the urgency to evolve spiritually and the pressure to perform diligently and seriously as distilled by the agent, Chari, in his manipulative speeches.
2) About 4 years before his suicide, Eugenyi had begun to lose touch with reality. The phenomenon was amplified to be manifested by hallucinations will say some, and by the ability to exist consciously in the astral world and have all sorts of experiences at will, will be reported by Eugenyi. Eugenyi who had always had the ability of self-analysis, self-criticism and self-mockery, was unable to step back from his mental experiences, even with the influence of external sources (friends and family ).
3) Eugenyi has been rejected by the community of abhyasis of SRCMtm (Minsk, Belarus) when his psychiatric condition was found out. It seems that this rejection was due to directives from the upper levels of the pyramid of control.
4) It is this rejection by the community he had known for 15 years (slightly less than half of his life), which had become everything to him, which was associated with the meaning of his life as a means to achieve it, which plunged him into a deep depression leading to this act of destruction. We must remember how (i) the practice of SRCMtm weakens the individual by making it hyper-sensitive, (ii) the explicit and implicit mental indoctrination incurred as SRCMtm abolished the discriminative intelligence of the individual, and ( iii) the absolutism (ie excess) which transpires from each component of the megalomaniac SRCMtm under the influence of its chairman.
5) The method used by Eugenyi to kill himself left him no chance of escape. Hence, it was not a cry for help (failed suicide attempt, that is to say, leading to a effective suicide despite a desire not to actually kill oneself), but the manifestation of his absolute despair (jump from his apartment on the 10th floor).
Speculation explored during the discussions:
1) Some have argued that Eugenyi was initially psychologically fragile and that the practice of meditation on predisposed psychological grounds had triggered the crisis, in the same way that cannabis is known to trigger schizophrenia in susceptible adolescents. If this hypothesis were true, it would not have been 10 years (approximately) before the spiritual experiences of Eugenyi turned into hallucinations and the related phenomena. Such effects would have occurred more quickly, after only a few months of practice, as the psychotic decompensation occurs soon after taking cannabis in an adolescent predisposed to schizophrenia, not 10 years later. With such a latency, the practice followed / suffered by Eugenyi could only have been a trigger. It was probably more of a cause.
2) An alternative hypothesis is that the practice of meditation without proper spiritual guidance (that is to say, under the guidance of an incapable spiritual guide such as Chari or his incapble, mindless minions) has caused mental chaos in the abhyasi , which was amplified without the possibility of correction (no guide) as a result of the intensity of the practice. There is no doubt that with an appropriate spiritual leader, or at least dealing properly and responsibly with its abhyasis, an individual developing this type of error would have been extended in the direction of the Self. The failure of the SRCMtm on this individual was evidently a bad publicity for a predatory, expansionist, and cancerous organization, but also a potential source of doubt in the ranks of its followers, thus weakening the house (Mission). For these two strategic reasons, the leaders of the sect had to remove the source of wake-up calls as they have always done with any source of thought, dissent, or simply the truth. The rejection of Eugenyi by the cult is directly responsible for the crisis that followed.
3) The overreaction of the abhyasi reveals the power of the mental influence of the cult of the individual: the cult is everything, the indoctrinated individual who is rejected by the cult is nothing. The resulting despair leads him to prefer self-destruction instead of trying to rebuild his life and to continue his quest. Even that possibility no longer exists. The mental indoctrination imprinted on the individual by the Sri Rahhh javapala Chari-Mi-Sion tm, (Chari's SRCMtm?) is incredibly effective, and now we can say, life-threatening.
Useful or not to Eugenyi?
Useful or not for those who subscribe (adepts)?
Join the futile with the agreeable: Take Eugenyi with you in your prayers.
Cricri
See also;
Sahaj Marg(tm), Meditation, Depression, Hallucination, Suicide
A Tribute to a Deceased (suicide) Abhyasi of Sahaj Marg(tm)
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Friday, August 12, 2011
Sahaj Marg(tm), Meditation, Depression, Hallucination, Suicide,
Taken from an article by Elodie, "Méditation, dépression, hallucination et suicide", on her blog: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg
Comments by 4d-Don:
If one reads Babuji's journals, one will see that Babuji, who studied mesmerism (hypnotism) went through a long period of depression and even contemplated suicide because of a workplace incident, according to an article on the Institute of Shri Ram Chandra Consciousness (ISRC) site. One of Babuji's sons also committed suicide.
August 12, 2011
Meditation, depression, hallucinations and suicide
Following the publication of Cricri's tribute to Eugenyi, an ex-abhyasi from Minsk who committed suicide, the reactions were quick.
The same day, an anonymous person left the following comment on the Cricri's blog ... Analyse de la SRCM
"Sir, It was not due to meditation the abyasi got into hallucination or so. It is the mental depression or dis-order can only lead to such horrible experiences. In SRCM the meditation is very simple and not complicated. So many people are getting Hallucination and committing suicides with out practicing meditation. Hallucination or insanity develops in a person due to his own psychological problems and not due to spirituality.”
Eugenyi is not the only abhyasi to have gone through a depression. Ajay Kumar Bhatter, the former heir apparent to Chari, himself admitted that there were a lot of preceptors who were depressive. Moreover, a preceptor psychiatrist deals with depression as an opportunity to go towards Sahaj Marg.
Eugenyi is not the only abhyasi to experience hallucinations. Remember the testimony of Sameer Sachdeva.
And unfortunately, Eugenyi is not the first abhyasi to have committed suicide.
Is there always a cause and effect? Obviously not, but is there ever a cause and effect? This seems hard to believe, although we may never have certainty. A suicide is always a multi-factorial act.
In any case, caution should be excercised and it is certainly worth questioning. Especially when the preceptors are actively searching for depressive people, to get them into Sahaj Marg.
The abandonment or blacklisting of an abhyasi by his peers can turn out to be dramatic and be seen to be non-assistance by a persons in danger. The duty of support should be the very minimum for the community members of SRCM and their preceptors.
Sahaj Marg meditation according to Chari does not bring only positive effects, one must know and be conscious of this. Often this causes, maintains or exacerbates depressive effects. Sometimes unfortunately it also brings much more serious problems like hallucinations or madness.
Elodie
Don't follow amateur (part-time?) gurus who are really "materialist" businessmen!! Maybe Chari's successor (Kamlesh D. Patel) will have a "pill" to fix the depression, rather than suggesting that abhyasis get some oxygen!! It could wake them up!!
There was a recent report stating that depression was tied to a shortage of oxygen in the brain. Check out how many abhyasis are actually asleep during their meditation.
Then, Read Chari's statements in the article below and then see these sites (Also, Google: "Depression, lack of oxygen in brain")
http://www.normalbreathing.com/d/depression.php
http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Depression/relation-between-lack-of-oxygen-and-depression/show/964647
See also (Read Chari's statement in this article):
Lack of Oxygen, the Cause of the Spiritual Experience at SRCM (California-1997) or Sahaj Marg(tm)
Comments by 4d-Don:
If one reads Babuji's journals, one will see that Babuji, who studied mesmerism (hypnotism) went through a long period of depression and even contemplated suicide because of a workplace incident, according to an article on the Institute of Shri Ram Chandra Consciousness (ISRC) site. One of Babuji's sons also committed suicide.
August 12, 2011
Meditation, depression, hallucinations and suicide
Following the publication of Cricri's tribute to Eugenyi, an ex-abhyasi from Minsk who committed suicide, the reactions were quick.
The same day, an anonymous person left the following comment on the Cricri's blog ... Analyse de la SRCM
"Sir, It was not due to meditation the abyasi got into hallucination or so. It is the mental depression or dis-order can only lead to such horrible experiences. In SRCM the meditation is very simple and not complicated. So many people are getting Hallucination and committing suicides with out practicing meditation. Hallucination or insanity develops in a person due to his own psychological problems and not due to spirituality.”
Eugenyi is not the only abhyasi to have gone through a depression. Ajay Kumar Bhatter, the former heir apparent to Chari, himself admitted that there were a lot of preceptors who were depressive. Moreover, a preceptor psychiatrist deals with depression as an opportunity to go towards Sahaj Marg.
Eugenyi is not the only abhyasi to experience hallucinations. Remember the testimony of Sameer Sachdeva.
And unfortunately, Eugenyi is not the first abhyasi to have committed suicide.
Is there always a cause and effect? Obviously not, but is there ever a cause and effect? This seems hard to believe, although we may never have certainty. A suicide is always a multi-factorial act.
In any case, caution should be excercised and it is certainly worth questioning. Especially when the preceptors are actively searching for depressive people, to get them into Sahaj Marg.
The abandonment or blacklisting of an abhyasi by his peers can turn out to be dramatic and be seen to be non-assistance by a persons in danger. The duty of support should be the very minimum for the community members of SRCM and their preceptors.
Sahaj Marg meditation according to Chari does not bring only positive effects, one must know and be conscious of this. Often this causes, maintains or exacerbates depressive effects. Sometimes unfortunately it also brings much more serious problems like hallucinations or madness.
Elodie
Don't follow amateur (part-time?) gurus who are really "materialist" businessmen!! Maybe Chari's successor (Kamlesh D. Patel) will have a "pill" to fix the depression, rather than suggesting that abhyasis get some oxygen!! It could wake them up!!
There was a recent report stating that depression was tied to a shortage of oxygen in the brain. Check out how many abhyasis are actually asleep during their meditation.
Then, Read Chari's statements in the article below and then see these sites (Also, Google: "Depression, lack of oxygen in brain")
http://www.normalbreathing.com/d/depression.php
http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Depression/relation-between-lack-of-oxygen-and-depression/show/964647
See also (Read Chari's statement in this article):
Lack of Oxygen, the Cause of the Spiritual Experience at SRCM (California-1997) or Sahaj Marg(tm)
Saturday, August 06, 2011
A Tribute To A Deceased (suicide) Abhyasi of Sahaj Marg(tm)
Taken and translated from an article, "Hommage" - (A Tribute)", by Cricri, an ex-abhyasis of 18 years with Chari, and a research psychologist and psycho-linguist in Europe. Cricri has a French blog (testimonial): Analyse de la SRCMtm. This article was posted on Elodie's blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg
Insertions by 4d-Don for the sake of clarity are in "red italics".
August 6, 2011
Elodie Said:
Cricri, a former abhyasi and "critic", who participated in our discussions and analysis of the SRCM in 2006, has just sent me this sad news (his blog: http://srcmtm-fr.blogspot.com/).
A Tribute (To Eugenyi) !
My friend was called Eugenyi
After the "fall" of the Soviet Empire (metamorphosis and expansion westward?) SRCMtm the greedy, ambitious predator, was prospecting for new prey in the vast eastern territories.
Some Minsk (USSR) recruits were invited to the Augerans (France) ashram in early 1990, going there by bus on a never-ending journey. There they were greeted very brotherly. I was tying up a strong friendship with two Belarusians of my age, and we kept in close touch for some years.
One of them was called Eugenyi . He was full of life and spontaneity, with a remarkable freshness of sentiments, that we, arrogant, cynical and saturated young people from the west, had never really had because of the destruction of our souls by the hydra of imperialism with its thousand faces.
Our lives followed their (individual) paths. I saw Eugenyi a few years later, at a SRCM(tm) seminar.
He had changed dramatically. Fully indoctrinated, distant, fanatic, if not obsessed. I tried not to have any judgement on his frightful condition so as to respect his process and his path. It was not the same person and our friendship had disappeared. He condemned my already critical attitude vis-à-vis the general subversion in which the SRCMtm got stuck under the evil guidance of the agent, Chari. He was flanked by another older character, possibly a preceptor. He seemed involved in an advanced program of brainwashing as a preceptorship preparation or some other executive position in the pyramid of power.
The other Belarusian friend had disappeared in the traffic. I had nothing to do with Eugenyi, an abyss seperated us.
The years passed; 20 years.
Through the systems of social networks on the internet I have just been contacted by a mutual friend who found my trail. The joy of reunion has quickly given way to a deep sadness and shock, learning of Eugenyi's suicide a few years ago.
Eugenyi, under the indoctrination pressure of spiritual progress constantly advocated by Chari, had engaged in an excessive practice of meditation that led him to the frontiers of mental health.
Our friend wrote me:
"Eugenyi overdid with daily meditations and came to the state with hallucinations etc - to the state that modern psychiatry treats as it is own ground - when his inbalances became evident he was also became rejected by the local SM community in Minsk (they did want to see him at the meditations as a grave reminder of "screwed by practice" examples). This is a very sad story.
Eugeniy very often referred to some old letters and talks with you. I really wanted that time to talk to you. There are in fact not many people that time left who knew SM and Eugeniy. Well this happened about 4 or 5 years ago."
In another email, he said:
"What really put him to desperation is that he was rejected by all fellow abhiasies who were instructed if I remember correctly not to have contacts with E and to forbid him to visit the meditations and cleanings."
This message is a tribute to the memory of Eugenyi. They looted his soul, then they destroyed it (him?), pushing him to despair by turning their backs when he most needed humanity.
The Responsibles? The criminal indoctrinating psychological pressure that is the "teaching" of Chari. The complete subversion of the spiritual teachings of Babuji. The "master" Chari who pollutes the souls with his own folly. The other "brothers" and "sisters", blind, submissive, selfish and inhumane.
Cricri
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Insertions by 4d-Don for the sake of clarity are in "red italics".
August 6, 2011
Elodie Said:
Cricri, a former abhyasi and "critic", who participated in our discussions and analysis of the SRCM in 2006, has just sent me this sad news (his blog: http://srcmtm-fr.blogspot.com/).
A Tribute (To Eugenyi) !
My friend was called Eugenyi
After the "fall" of the Soviet Empire (metamorphosis and expansion westward?) SRCMtm the greedy, ambitious predator, was prospecting for new prey in the vast eastern territories.
Some Minsk (USSR) recruits were invited to the Augerans (France) ashram in early 1990, going there by bus on a never-ending journey. There they were greeted very brotherly. I was tying up a strong friendship with two Belarusians of my age, and we kept in close touch for some years.
One of them was called Eugenyi . He was full of life and spontaneity, with a remarkable freshness of sentiments, that we, arrogant, cynical and saturated young people from the west, had never really had because of the destruction of our souls by the hydra of imperialism with its thousand faces.
Our lives followed their (individual) paths. I saw Eugenyi a few years later, at a SRCM(tm) seminar.
He had changed dramatically. Fully indoctrinated, distant, fanatic, if not obsessed. I tried not to have any judgement on his frightful condition so as to respect his process and his path. It was not the same person and our friendship had disappeared. He condemned my already critical attitude vis-à-vis the general subversion in which the SRCMtm got stuck under the evil guidance of the agent, Chari. He was flanked by another older character, possibly a preceptor. He seemed involved in an advanced program of brainwashing as a preceptorship preparation or some other executive position in the pyramid of power.
The other Belarusian friend had disappeared in the traffic. I had nothing to do with Eugenyi, an abyss seperated us.
The years passed; 20 years.
Through the systems of social networks on the internet I have just been contacted by a mutual friend who found my trail. The joy of reunion has quickly given way to a deep sadness and shock, learning of Eugenyi's suicide a few years ago.
Eugenyi, under the indoctrination pressure of spiritual progress constantly advocated by Chari, had engaged in an excessive practice of meditation that led him to the frontiers of mental health.
Our friend wrote me:
"Eugenyi overdid with daily meditations and came to the state with hallucinations etc - to the state that modern psychiatry treats as it is own ground - when his inbalances became evident he was also became rejected by the local SM community in Minsk (they did want to see him at the meditations as a grave reminder of "screwed by practice" examples). This is a very sad story.
Eugeniy very often referred to some old letters and talks with you. I really wanted that time to talk to you. There are in fact not many people that time left who knew SM and Eugeniy. Well this happened about 4 or 5 years ago."
In another email, he said:
"What really put him to desperation is that he was rejected by all fellow abhiasies who were instructed if I remember correctly not to have contacts with E and to forbid him to visit the meditations and cleanings."
This message is a tribute to the memory of Eugenyi. They looted his soul, then they destroyed it (him?), pushing him to despair by turning their backs when he most needed humanity.
The Responsibles? The criminal indoctrinating psychological pressure that is the "teaching" of Chari. The complete subversion of the spiritual teachings of Babuji. The "master" Chari who pollutes the souls with his own folly. The other "brothers" and "sisters", blind, submissive, selfish and inhumane.
Cricri
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Friday, August 05, 2011
Sahaj Marg(tm), Corrupt Enterprises, Corrupt "old people" And The Environment!
Comments to Chari's Birthday Bash speech, July 24, 2011 ... about the corruption of the "old people", about the environment, and about destruction!! (see previous article on this blog: Sahaj Marg(tm) and Corruption)
Comments by 4d-Don are in "red italics"
If we are to believe the Sahaj Mart (tm) "sales shpeel" and/or the "Whispers" of their Anonymous French Lady Medium, thanks to the "indigo children", and their usurped spiritualist "Method", which they falsely call a "Raja Yoga", which begins at step #7 of Patanjali's original "eightfold" path, they will save the world from the "corruption" of "old people". They will clean the environment and make the "hoary" corrupt world (India) more SPIRITUAL.
The REALITY created by the Sahaj Mart(tm) nationalist Businessmen is much different.
As they "develop" more real estate, and build more "Master's Cottages" and living accomodations, retreats (Spurs 28 acre ranch), etc., for the elite disciples (with Charity dollars?), they point at the corruption in others!!
Sound familiar?
July 24, 2011, D.J Park, Tiruppur, India
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But, especially in this great peninsula of India, hoary with tradition, ancient tradition of spirituality, it has become so corrupt. Today’s old people are the most corrupt; the youth have hope. The younger the child, the more hope it has. It faces its destiny with courage, with strength, with anticipation; but the older people – they don’t know what to do with their life, because by and large it is a wasted life. The longer you have lived, the more you have earned, the more you have been corrupted, the more you have spoilt your society, dirtied your environment, and in general messed up the world – contrary to what Babuji Maharaj said, “When you leave, you must leave the world at least as good as you found it when you entered it, but try to do better and leave a better world.” Are we conscious of the world at all?
So it seems that, according to Chari, "hoary" spiritualist India is as corrupt (which most already know) as most "religious" (not spiritual) societies. The secular or "western" world, does not comparatively appear as corrupt. Could it be because the power of RELIGION has been reined-in or lessened in the secular west?
According to Chari, the "old people" are the most corrupt?? How old is Chari? 84 years old? Is that "old"? This is Chari, the ex-CEO of the largest consortium (TTK Group) in India, and who in his "retirement", has named himself President of a re-registered SRCM (California-1997) after the Board of Directors of Babuji's SRCM (Shahjahanpur-1945) refused to accept his "fake" letter of Succession? Is this an example of a "corrupt" old man in a "corrupt" society, which Chari mentions above?
This section of his speech seems to be "old" Chari revealing himself ... Chari seems to be talking about his corrupt self!! Is this the "confession" of an old man? It is not all "old people" who are corrupt, is it? Just some "profiteers" and some "power addicted" with megalomaniacal aspirations !!
Apparently, there are some "old people" from India, who pollute the world builing material "ashrams" and other "enterprises", (retreats, Master's cottages, etc ...) claiming that it is a portal to the DIVINE. This is the same "DIVINE" which in REALITY is ONE and/or ALL ... Everything, Everywhere and Everywhen (the E-Trinity). That is really corrupt and Chari calls his theological "pollution": spirituality.
Chari and his nationalist Businessmen (inner circle) "pave paradise and put up a PARKING LOT" (from a song by Joni Mitchell) , all in the name of "serving their male GOD and getting to "the Brighter World"!! This is the same religious India which has become one of the top four (4) countries in the world where women are the most in danger of being assaulted and killed.
SPIRITUAL??
All this talk of environmental pollution, protection of forests, greening the cities – do they have any meaning? Do we attach any meaning? Do those who talk about them have any seriousness of purpose? Because the next morning you see another hundred acres being cleared for a new enterprise. And when you see in the newspapers that all the land taken over in Noida, which is near Delhi in Uttar Pradesh, has to be returned to the agriculturists (that is the order of the present chief minister), I was very happy that the chief minister is waking up to the fact of land grabbing, environmental pollution, dacoities, everything. But a friend from Delhi told me, “Saheb, this is all an election gimmick. Next year Uttar Pradesh has its legislature (MLAs) State Assembly elections, and this is to gain votes.”
So, you see, in this country everything is to gain votes.
Like most religious, they speak with "forked tongues" and sell fantasies. Chari's new and very material "enterprises" are ASHRAMS and his "Master's cottages" (for himself) for when he travels ... Chari won't go to a hotel so he builds "cottages" for himself (with Charity dollars) and his successor. Is this another example of corrupt "old people" in India, which Chari mentions above??
Is this what he, an ex-ceo for a large consortium(TTK Group) calls environmentally sound? Is that an ethical use of "charity dollars"? But it is probably very difficult to prove "illegality". And all this as the poor die of starvation in Africa!! SHAME!! And the so-called "spiritual" and pseudo-environmentalist disciples support that "old fart's corruption"?
As long as it's exotic, then it's OK? If it's from India, then it must be "spiritual" or is that in REALITY: SPIRITUALISM or SPIRITISM or some other form of "old people's" corruption of spirituality?
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More to come later...
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Friday, July 29, 2011
Sahaj Marg(tm) and DESTRUCTION!!
Taken from an article: "Destruction", by Elodie on her blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg
Comments and insertions by 4d-Don are in "red italics"
The saying, once used by Sahaj Marg(tm), does not seem to apply anymore:
"SPIRITUALITY unites and RELIGION/SPIRITALISM divides."
Sahaj Marg has not shown itself to unite even its own disciples and preceptors (and their families), and now, the abhyasis (practitioners) are being prepared for divisions in their own invented BRIGHTER WORLD, (with a "central region") where the saved will go "up" (heaven?) and the lost will go "down" (hell?)!! And they call their apocalyptic new religion "different" and "unique"?
Beware: Abhyasis are being prepared for a RELIGIOUS/SPIRITUALIST heaven and hell with some preferred position (space) in their "Brighter World" ("up") and some less preferred for the lost or the "left-behind" ("down").
This is NOT SPIRITUALITY but religion and SPIRITUALISM (Mediums, spirits, apocalyptic destructions and a "heaven and hell"!!
Sahaj Marg(tm) even divides their own invented "other worlds"!! They (the leadership) seem controlled by their reductionist or divisive MIND ! Or a spiritualist "ritual" of creating a divisive EGREGORE has been instigated by Chari, claiming it to come from Babuji! Egregores (Groupthink), like water always go to the "lowest common denominator" !!
July 29, 2011
Destruction
Chari's last speech at his birthday party unfortunately confirms our analysis on the apocalyptic turn of the Shri Ram Chandra Mission. After a long verse on the gangrenous corruption that plagues the world of politics in India, Chari concludes his speech with destruction and punishment, and the elite representatives of Sahaj Marg. Sad and regrettable, these populist and apocalyptic developments.
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Babuji Maharaj told me some twenty years ago, he said, “Dekho [Look], there is going to be destruction.”
Even now, our Whispers messages that we are getting, there is always talk of destruction. I am waiting one day for at least some hopeful message – not as long as we don’t change.
So what did Babuji Maharaj say when I asked him, “What about destruction? You are always talking about destruction.”
He said, “Yes.” And he was happy, he was laughing. He said, “Voh to hona hi hai. (It has to happen.)”
I said, “Babuji, what about sincere abhyasis who are devoted to you?”
He said, “Everybody will suffer when there is destruction.”
I asked him, “What is the use then of being an abhyasi?”
He said, “Itna sa farak hai, jo abhyasi hain, jo sincere hain, voh oopar jayenge, aur log neeche jaayenge.”
He said, “Those who are sincere abhyasis, dedicated, devoted, truthful, they will have to go but they will go up. The rest will go down. This is the difference.”
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Chari confirms that the messages of Whispers distil gradually for the abhyasis, the idea of inevitable destruction.
Babuji would have (allegedly) spoken to him twenty years ago, that is to say in 1991, seven years after his death. We did not know that Chari conversed directly with Babuji from the Brighter World. We even understand that the Whispers reached us via a medium (the anonymous French Lady Medium-AFLM) because Babuji could not communicate directly with Chari.
That upsets a little some of our knowledge, unless that at 84 years old, Chari is starting to ramble and mixes up the years, or it is only a lie. Earlier in his speech he said that the most elderly are the mostly corrupt. Should we apply to him, his own statement?
Regardless, he reports that Babuji tells him that the destruction is inevitable. However, it is undated and not explicit, leaving the possibility of interpretation in the future. As did Nostradamus in his time, he is opening until today, the field of the date interpretations to infinity.
Chari's reaction is interesting because he is concerned about the fate of the abhyasis, implying that they (the elite, the rewarded) should fare better than others. And Babuji to reassure him, said that even if they also have to suffer, they will fare better than the others (the impious, the barbarians, etc.)..
Chari, thank you for this shocking confirmation, Sahaj Marg is definitely dead and buried.
Elodie
See also:
The Punishment of the World and the Elite of Sahaj Marg(tm)
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Comments and insertions by 4d-Don are in "red italics"
The saying, once used by Sahaj Marg(tm), does not seem to apply anymore:
"SPIRITUALITY unites and RELIGION/SPIRITALISM divides."
Sahaj Marg has not shown itself to unite even its own disciples and preceptors (and their families), and now, the abhyasis (practitioners) are being prepared for divisions in their own invented BRIGHTER WORLD, (with a "central region") where the saved will go "up" (heaven?) and the lost will go "down" (hell?)!! And they call their apocalyptic new religion "different" and "unique"?
Beware: Abhyasis are being prepared for a RELIGIOUS/SPIRITUALIST heaven and hell with some preferred position (space) in their "Brighter World" ("up") and some less preferred for the lost or the "left-behind" ("down").
This is NOT SPIRITUALITY but religion and SPIRITUALISM (Mediums, spirits, apocalyptic destructions and a "heaven and hell"!!
Sahaj Marg(tm) even divides their own invented "other worlds"!! They (the leadership) seem controlled by their reductionist or divisive MIND ! Or a spiritualist "ritual" of creating a divisive EGREGORE has been instigated by Chari, claiming it to come from Babuji! Egregores (Groupthink), like water always go to the "lowest common denominator" !!
July 29, 2011
Destruction
Chari's last speech at his birthday party unfortunately confirms our analysis on the apocalyptic turn of the Shri Ram Chandra Mission. After a long verse on the gangrenous corruption that plagues the world of politics in India, Chari concludes his speech with destruction and punishment, and the elite representatives of Sahaj Marg. Sad and regrettable, these populist and apocalyptic developments.
(...)
Babuji Maharaj told me some twenty years ago, he said, “Dekho [Look], there is going to be destruction.”
Even now, our Whispers messages that we are getting, there is always talk of destruction. I am waiting one day for at least some hopeful message – not as long as we don’t change.
So what did Babuji Maharaj say when I asked him, “What about destruction? You are always talking about destruction.”
He said, “Yes.” And he was happy, he was laughing. He said, “Voh to hona hi hai. (It has to happen.)”
I said, “Babuji, what about sincere abhyasis who are devoted to you?”
He said, “Everybody will suffer when there is destruction.”
I asked him, “What is the use then of being an abhyasi?”
He said, “Itna sa farak hai, jo abhyasi hain, jo sincere hain, voh oopar jayenge, aur log neeche jaayenge.”
He said, “Those who are sincere abhyasis, dedicated, devoted, truthful, they will have to go but they will go up. The rest will go down. This is the difference.”
(...)
Chari confirms that the messages of Whispers distil gradually for the abhyasis, the idea of inevitable destruction.
Babuji would have (allegedly) spoken to him twenty years ago, that is to say in 1991, seven years after his death. We did not know that Chari conversed directly with Babuji from the Brighter World. We even understand that the Whispers reached us via a medium (the anonymous French Lady Medium-AFLM) because Babuji could not communicate directly with Chari.
That upsets a little some of our knowledge, unless that at 84 years old, Chari is starting to ramble and mixes up the years, or it is only a lie. Earlier in his speech he said that the most elderly are the mostly corrupt. Should we apply to him, his own statement?
Regardless, he reports that Babuji tells him that the destruction is inevitable. However, it is undated and not explicit, leaving the possibility of interpretation in the future. As did Nostradamus in his time, he is opening until today, the field of the date interpretations to infinity.
Chari's reaction is interesting because he is concerned about the fate of the abhyasis, implying that they (the elite, the rewarded) should fare better than others. And Babuji to reassure him, said that even if they also have to suffer, they will fare better than the others (the impious, the barbarians, etc.)..
Chari, thank you for this shocking confirmation, Sahaj Marg is definitely dead and buried.
Elodie
See also:
The Punishment of the World and the Elite of Sahaj Marg(tm)
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.
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