Taken from an article by cricri: "Reflexion autour d'un suicide", a research psychologist and psycho linguist, and an ex-abhyasi (of 18 years) of Chari. Taken from Elodie's blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg.
Cricri has a blog (French): Analyse de la SRCM
August 16, 2011
Reflections on a suicide
I received more details on the context of the suicide of Eugenyi from a mutual friend who met him a few days before the tragedy.
Some points are factual. Others are hypothetical.
Summary of the facts as they have been reported to me:
1) Eugenyi indulged excessively and passionately in the practice of meditation - several hours a day. So he was a good abhyasi, according to Chari's standards, as reflected in his speeches, since Eugenyi took into account the pressure and the urgency to evolve spiritually and the pressure to perform diligently and seriously as distilled by the agent, Chari, in his manipulative speeches.
2) About 4 years before his suicide, Eugenyi had begun to lose touch with reality. The phenomenon was amplified to be manifested by hallucinations will say some, and by the ability to exist consciously in the astral world and have all sorts of experiences at will, will be reported by Eugenyi. Eugenyi who had always had the ability of self-analysis, self-criticism and self-mockery, was unable to step back from his mental experiences, even with the influence of external sources (friends and family ).
3) Eugenyi has been rejected by the community of abhyasis of SRCMtm (Minsk, Belarus) when his psychiatric condition was found out. It seems that this rejection was due to directives from the upper levels of the pyramid of control.
4) It is this rejection by the community he had known for 15 years (slightly less than half of his life), which had become everything to him, which was associated with the meaning of his life as a means to achieve it, which plunged him into a deep depression leading to this act of destruction. We must remember how (i) the practice of SRCMtm weakens the individual by making it hyper-sensitive, (ii) the explicit and implicit mental indoctrination incurred as SRCMtm abolished the discriminative intelligence of the individual, and ( iii) the absolutism (ie excess) which transpires from each component of the megalomaniac SRCMtm under the influence of its chairman.
5) The method used by Eugenyi to kill himself left him no chance of escape. Hence, it was not a cry for help (failed suicide attempt, that is to say, leading to a effective suicide despite a desire not to actually kill oneself), but the manifestation of his absolute despair (jump from his apartment on the 10th floor).
Speculation explored during the discussions:
1) Some have argued that Eugenyi was initially psychologically fragile and that the practice of meditation on predisposed psychological grounds had triggered the crisis, in the same way that cannabis is known to trigger schizophrenia in susceptible adolescents. If this hypothesis were true, it would not have been 10 years (approximately) before the spiritual experiences of Eugenyi turned into hallucinations and the related phenomena. Such effects would have occurred more quickly, after only a few months of practice, as the psychotic decompensation occurs soon after taking cannabis in an adolescent predisposed to schizophrenia, not 10 years later. With such a latency, the practice followed / suffered by Eugenyi could only have been a trigger. It was probably more of a cause.
2) An alternative hypothesis is that the practice of meditation without proper spiritual guidance (that is to say, under the guidance of an incapable spiritual guide such as Chari or his incapble, mindless minions) has caused mental chaos in the abhyasi , which was amplified without the possibility of correction (no guide) as a result of the intensity of the practice. There is no doubt that with an appropriate spiritual leader, or at least dealing properly and responsibly with its abhyasis, an individual developing this type of error would have been extended in the direction of the Self. The failure of the SRCMtm on this individual was evidently a bad publicity for a predatory, expansionist, and cancerous organization, but also a potential source of doubt in the ranks of its followers, thus weakening the house (Mission). For these two strategic reasons, the leaders of the sect had to remove the source of wake-up calls as they have always done with any source of thought, dissent, or simply the truth. The rejection of Eugenyi by the cult is directly responsible for the crisis that followed.
3) The overreaction of the abhyasi reveals the power of the mental influence of the cult of the individual: the cult is everything, the indoctrinated individual who is rejected by the cult is nothing. The resulting despair leads him to prefer self-destruction instead of trying to rebuild his life and to continue his quest. Even that possibility no longer exists. The mental indoctrination imprinted on the individual by the Sri Rahhh javapala Chari-Mi-Sion tm, (Chari's SRCMtm?) is incredibly effective, and now we can say, life-threatening.
Useful or not to Eugenyi?
Useful or not for those who subscribe (adepts)?
Join the futile with the agreeable: Take Eugenyi with you in your prayers.
Cricri
See also;
Sahaj Marg(tm), Meditation, Depression, Hallucination, Suicide
A Tribute to a Deceased (suicide) Abhyasi of Sahaj Marg(tm)
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Tuesday, August 16, 2011
Friday, August 12, 2011
Sahaj Marg(tm), Meditation, Depression, Hallucination, Suicide,
Taken from an article by Elodie, "Méditation, dépression, hallucination et suicide", on her blog: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg
Comments by 4d-Don:
If one reads Babuji's journals, one will see that Babuji, who studied mesmerism (hypnotism) went through a long period of depression and even contemplated suicide because of a workplace incident, according to an article on the Institute of Shri Ram Chandra Consciousness (ISRC) site. One of Babuji's sons also committed suicide.
August 12, 2011
Meditation, depression, hallucinations and suicide
Following the publication of Cricri's tribute to Eugenyi, an ex-abhyasi from Minsk who committed suicide, the reactions were quick.
The same day, an anonymous person left the following comment on the Cricri's blog ... Analyse de la SRCM
"Sir, It was not due to meditation the abyasi got into hallucination or so. It is the mental depression or dis-order can only lead to such horrible experiences. In SRCM the meditation is very simple and not complicated. So many people are getting Hallucination and committing suicides with out practicing meditation. Hallucination or insanity develops in a person due to his own psychological problems and not due to spirituality.”
Eugenyi is not the only abhyasi to have gone through a depression. Ajay Kumar Bhatter, the former heir apparent to Chari, himself admitted that there were a lot of preceptors who were depressive. Moreover, a preceptor psychiatrist deals with depression as an opportunity to go towards Sahaj Marg.
Eugenyi is not the only abhyasi to experience hallucinations. Remember the testimony of Sameer Sachdeva.
And unfortunately, Eugenyi is not the first abhyasi to have committed suicide.
Is there always a cause and effect? Obviously not, but is there ever a cause and effect? This seems hard to believe, although we may never have certainty. A suicide is always a multi-factorial act.
In any case, caution should be excercised and it is certainly worth questioning. Especially when the preceptors are actively searching for depressive people, to get them into Sahaj Marg.
The abandonment or blacklisting of an abhyasi by his peers can turn out to be dramatic and be seen to be non-assistance by a persons in danger. The duty of support should be the very minimum for the community members of SRCM and their preceptors.
Sahaj Marg meditation according to Chari does not bring only positive effects, one must know and be conscious of this. Often this causes, maintains or exacerbates depressive effects. Sometimes unfortunately it also brings much more serious problems like hallucinations or madness.
Elodie
Don't follow amateur (part-time?) gurus who are really "materialist" businessmen!! Maybe Chari's successor (Kamlesh D. Patel) will have a "pill" to fix the depression, rather than suggesting that abhyasis get some oxygen!! It could wake them up!!
There was a recent report stating that depression was tied to a shortage of oxygen in the brain. Check out how many abhyasis are actually asleep during their meditation.
Then, Read Chari's statements in the article below and then see these sites (Also, Google: "Depression, lack of oxygen in brain")
http://www.normalbreathing.com/d/depression.php
http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Depression/relation-between-lack-of-oxygen-and-depression/show/964647
See also (Read Chari's statement in this article):
Lack of Oxygen, the Cause of the Spiritual Experience at SRCM (California-1997) or Sahaj Marg(tm)
Comments by 4d-Don:
If one reads Babuji's journals, one will see that Babuji, who studied mesmerism (hypnotism) went through a long period of depression and even contemplated suicide because of a workplace incident, according to an article on the Institute of Shri Ram Chandra Consciousness (ISRC) site. One of Babuji's sons also committed suicide.
August 12, 2011
Meditation, depression, hallucinations and suicide
Following the publication of Cricri's tribute to Eugenyi, an ex-abhyasi from Minsk who committed suicide, the reactions were quick.
The same day, an anonymous person left the following comment on the Cricri's blog ... Analyse de la SRCM
"Sir, It was not due to meditation the abyasi got into hallucination or so. It is the mental depression or dis-order can only lead to such horrible experiences. In SRCM the meditation is very simple and not complicated. So many people are getting Hallucination and committing suicides with out practicing meditation. Hallucination or insanity develops in a person due to his own psychological problems and not due to spirituality.”
Eugenyi is not the only abhyasi to have gone through a depression. Ajay Kumar Bhatter, the former heir apparent to Chari, himself admitted that there were a lot of preceptors who were depressive. Moreover, a preceptor psychiatrist deals with depression as an opportunity to go towards Sahaj Marg.
Eugenyi is not the only abhyasi to experience hallucinations. Remember the testimony of Sameer Sachdeva.
And unfortunately, Eugenyi is not the first abhyasi to have committed suicide.
Is there always a cause and effect? Obviously not, but is there ever a cause and effect? This seems hard to believe, although we may never have certainty. A suicide is always a multi-factorial act.
In any case, caution should be excercised and it is certainly worth questioning. Especially when the preceptors are actively searching for depressive people, to get them into Sahaj Marg.
The abandonment or blacklisting of an abhyasi by his peers can turn out to be dramatic and be seen to be non-assistance by a persons in danger. The duty of support should be the very minimum for the community members of SRCM and their preceptors.
Sahaj Marg meditation according to Chari does not bring only positive effects, one must know and be conscious of this. Often this causes, maintains or exacerbates depressive effects. Sometimes unfortunately it also brings much more serious problems like hallucinations or madness.
Elodie
Don't follow amateur (part-time?) gurus who are really "materialist" businessmen!! Maybe Chari's successor (Kamlesh D. Patel) will have a "pill" to fix the depression, rather than suggesting that abhyasis get some oxygen!! It could wake them up!!
There was a recent report stating that depression was tied to a shortage of oxygen in the brain. Check out how many abhyasis are actually asleep during their meditation.
Then, Read Chari's statements in the article below and then see these sites (Also, Google: "Depression, lack of oxygen in brain")
http://www.normalbreathing.com/d/depression.php
http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Depression/relation-between-lack-of-oxygen-and-depression/show/964647
See also (Read Chari's statement in this article):
Lack of Oxygen, the Cause of the Spiritual Experience at SRCM (California-1997) or Sahaj Marg(tm)
Saturday, August 06, 2011
A Tribute To A Deceased (suicide) Abhyasi of Sahaj Marg(tm)
Taken and translated from an article, "Hommage" - (A Tribute)", by Cricri, an ex-abhyasis of 18 years with Chari, and a research psychologist and psycho-linguist in Europe. Cricri has a French blog (testimonial): Analyse de la SRCMtm. This article was posted on Elodie's blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg
Insertions by 4d-Don for the sake of clarity are in "red italics".
August 6, 2011
Elodie Said:
Cricri, a former abhyasi and "critic", who participated in our discussions and analysis of the SRCM in 2006, has just sent me this sad news (his blog: http://srcmtm-fr.blogspot.com/).
A Tribute (To Eugenyi) !
My friend was called Eugenyi
After the "fall" of the Soviet Empire (metamorphosis and expansion westward?) SRCMtm the greedy, ambitious predator, was prospecting for new prey in the vast eastern territories.
Some Minsk (USSR) recruits were invited to the Augerans (France) ashram in early 1990, going there by bus on a never-ending journey. There they were greeted very brotherly. I was tying up a strong friendship with two Belarusians of my age, and we kept in close touch for some years.
One of them was called Eugenyi . He was full of life and spontaneity, with a remarkable freshness of sentiments, that we, arrogant, cynical and saturated young people from the west, had never really had because of the destruction of our souls by the hydra of imperialism with its thousand faces.
Our lives followed their (individual) paths. I saw Eugenyi a few years later, at a SRCM(tm) seminar.
He had changed dramatically. Fully indoctrinated, distant, fanatic, if not obsessed. I tried not to have any judgement on his frightful condition so as to respect his process and his path. It was not the same person and our friendship had disappeared. He condemned my already critical attitude vis-à-vis the general subversion in which the SRCMtm got stuck under the evil guidance of the agent, Chari. He was flanked by another older character, possibly a preceptor. He seemed involved in an advanced program of brainwashing as a preceptorship preparation or some other executive position in the pyramid of power.
The other Belarusian friend had disappeared in the traffic. I had nothing to do with Eugenyi, an abyss seperated us.
The years passed; 20 years.
Through the systems of social networks on the internet I have just been contacted by a mutual friend who found my trail. The joy of reunion has quickly given way to a deep sadness and shock, learning of Eugenyi's suicide a few years ago.
Eugenyi, under the indoctrination pressure of spiritual progress constantly advocated by Chari, had engaged in an excessive practice of meditation that led him to the frontiers of mental health.
Our friend wrote me:
"Eugenyi overdid with daily meditations and came to the state with hallucinations etc - to the state that modern psychiatry treats as it is own ground - when his inbalances became evident he was also became rejected by the local SM community in Minsk (they did want to see him at the meditations as a grave reminder of "screwed by practice" examples). This is a very sad story.
Eugeniy very often referred to some old letters and talks with you. I really wanted that time to talk to you. There are in fact not many people that time left who knew SM and Eugeniy. Well this happened about 4 or 5 years ago."
In another email, he said:
"What really put him to desperation is that he was rejected by all fellow abhiasies who were instructed if I remember correctly not to have contacts with E and to forbid him to visit the meditations and cleanings."
This message is a tribute to the memory of Eugenyi. They looted his soul, then they destroyed it (him?), pushing him to despair by turning their backs when he most needed humanity.
The Responsibles? The criminal indoctrinating psychological pressure that is the "teaching" of Chari. The complete subversion of the spiritual teachings of Babuji. The "master" Chari who pollutes the souls with his own folly. The other "brothers" and "sisters", blind, submissive, selfish and inhumane.
Cricri
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Insertions by 4d-Don for the sake of clarity are in "red italics".
August 6, 2011
Elodie Said:
Cricri, a former abhyasi and "critic", who participated in our discussions and analysis of the SRCM in 2006, has just sent me this sad news (his blog: http://srcmtm-fr.blogspot.com/).
A Tribute (To Eugenyi) !
My friend was called Eugenyi
After the "fall" of the Soviet Empire (metamorphosis and expansion westward?) SRCMtm the greedy, ambitious predator, was prospecting for new prey in the vast eastern territories.
Some Minsk (USSR) recruits were invited to the Augerans (France) ashram in early 1990, going there by bus on a never-ending journey. There they were greeted very brotherly. I was tying up a strong friendship with two Belarusians of my age, and we kept in close touch for some years.
One of them was called Eugenyi . He was full of life and spontaneity, with a remarkable freshness of sentiments, that we, arrogant, cynical and saturated young people from the west, had never really had because of the destruction of our souls by the hydra of imperialism with its thousand faces.
Our lives followed their (individual) paths. I saw Eugenyi a few years later, at a SRCM(tm) seminar.
He had changed dramatically. Fully indoctrinated, distant, fanatic, if not obsessed. I tried not to have any judgement on his frightful condition so as to respect his process and his path. It was not the same person and our friendship had disappeared. He condemned my already critical attitude vis-à-vis the general subversion in which the SRCMtm got stuck under the evil guidance of the agent, Chari. He was flanked by another older character, possibly a preceptor. He seemed involved in an advanced program of brainwashing as a preceptorship preparation or some other executive position in the pyramid of power.
The other Belarusian friend had disappeared in the traffic. I had nothing to do with Eugenyi, an abyss seperated us.
The years passed; 20 years.
Through the systems of social networks on the internet I have just been contacted by a mutual friend who found my trail. The joy of reunion has quickly given way to a deep sadness and shock, learning of Eugenyi's suicide a few years ago.
Eugenyi, under the indoctrination pressure of spiritual progress constantly advocated by Chari, had engaged in an excessive practice of meditation that led him to the frontiers of mental health.
Our friend wrote me:
"Eugenyi overdid with daily meditations and came to the state with hallucinations etc - to the state that modern psychiatry treats as it is own ground - when his inbalances became evident he was also became rejected by the local SM community in Minsk (they did want to see him at the meditations as a grave reminder of "screwed by practice" examples). This is a very sad story.
Eugeniy very often referred to some old letters and talks with you. I really wanted that time to talk to you. There are in fact not many people that time left who knew SM and Eugeniy. Well this happened about 4 or 5 years ago."
In another email, he said:
"What really put him to desperation is that he was rejected by all fellow abhiasies who were instructed if I remember correctly not to have contacts with E and to forbid him to visit the meditations and cleanings."
This message is a tribute to the memory of Eugenyi. They looted his soul, then they destroyed it (him?), pushing him to despair by turning their backs when he most needed humanity.
The Responsibles? The criminal indoctrinating psychological pressure that is the "teaching" of Chari. The complete subversion of the spiritual teachings of Babuji. The "master" Chari who pollutes the souls with his own folly. The other "brothers" and "sisters", blind, submissive, selfish and inhumane.
Cricri
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Friday, August 05, 2011
Sahaj Marg(tm), Corrupt Enterprises, Corrupt "old people" And The Environment!
Comments to Chari's Birthday Bash speech, July 24, 2011 ... about the corruption of the "old people", about the environment, and about destruction!! (see previous article on this blog: Sahaj Marg(tm) and Corruption)
Comments by 4d-Don are in "red italics"
If we are to believe the Sahaj Mart (tm) "sales shpeel" and/or the "Whispers" of their Anonymous French Lady Medium, thanks to the "indigo children", and their usurped spiritualist "Method", which they falsely call a "Raja Yoga", which begins at step #7 of Patanjali's original "eightfold" path, they will save the world from the "corruption" of "old people". They will clean the environment and make the "hoary" corrupt world (India) more SPIRITUAL.
The REALITY created by the Sahaj Mart(tm) nationalist Businessmen is much different.
As they "develop" more real estate, and build more "Master's Cottages" and living accomodations, retreats (Spurs 28 acre ranch), etc., for the elite disciples (with Charity dollars?), they point at the corruption in others!!
Sound familiar?
July 24, 2011, D.J Park, Tiruppur, India
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But, especially in this great peninsula of India, hoary with tradition, ancient tradition of spirituality, it has become so corrupt. Today’s old people are the most corrupt; the youth have hope. The younger the child, the more hope it has. It faces its destiny with courage, with strength, with anticipation; but the older people – they don’t know what to do with their life, because by and large it is a wasted life. The longer you have lived, the more you have earned, the more you have been corrupted, the more you have spoilt your society, dirtied your environment, and in general messed up the world – contrary to what Babuji Maharaj said, “When you leave, you must leave the world at least as good as you found it when you entered it, but try to do better and leave a better world.” Are we conscious of the world at all?
So it seems that, according to Chari, "hoary" spiritualist India is as corrupt (which most already know) as most "religious" (not spiritual) societies. The secular or "western" world, does not comparatively appear as corrupt. Could it be because the power of RELIGION has been reined-in or lessened in the secular west?
According to Chari, the "old people" are the most corrupt?? How old is Chari? 84 years old? Is that "old"? This is Chari, the ex-CEO of the largest consortium (TTK Group) in India, and who in his "retirement", has named himself President of a re-registered SRCM (California-1997) after the Board of Directors of Babuji's SRCM (Shahjahanpur-1945) refused to accept his "fake" letter of Succession? Is this an example of a "corrupt" old man in a "corrupt" society, which Chari mentions above?
This section of his speech seems to be "old" Chari revealing himself ... Chari seems to be talking about his corrupt self!! Is this the "confession" of an old man? It is not all "old people" who are corrupt, is it? Just some "profiteers" and some "power addicted" with megalomaniacal aspirations !!
Apparently, there are some "old people" from India, who pollute the world builing material "ashrams" and other "enterprises", (retreats, Master's cottages, etc ...) claiming that it is a portal to the DIVINE. This is the same "DIVINE" which in REALITY is ONE and/or ALL ... Everything, Everywhere and Everywhen (the E-Trinity). That is really corrupt and Chari calls his theological "pollution": spirituality.
Chari and his nationalist Businessmen (inner circle) "pave paradise and put up a PARKING LOT" (from a song by Joni Mitchell) , all in the name of "serving their male GOD and getting to "the Brighter World"!! This is the same religious India which has become one of the top four (4) countries in the world where women are the most in danger of being assaulted and killed.
SPIRITUAL??
All this talk of environmental pollution, protection of forests, greening the cities – do they have any meaning? Do we attach any meaning? Do those who talk about them have any seriousness of purpose? Because the next morning you see another hundred acres being cleared for a new enterprise. And when you see in the newspapers that all the land taken over in Noida, which is near Delhi in Uttar Pradesh, has to be returned to the agriculturists (that is the order of the present chief minister), I was very happy that the chief minister is waking up to the fact of land grabbing, environmental pollution, dacoities, everything. But a friend from Delhi told me, “Saheb, this is all an election gimmick. Next year Uttar Pradesh has its legislature (MLAs) State Assembly elections, and this is to gain votes.”
So, you see, in this country everything is to gain votes.
Like most religious, they speak with "forked tongues" and sell fantasies. Chari's new and very material "enterprises" are ASHRAMS and his "Master's cottages" (for himself) for when he travels ... Chari won't go to a hotel so he builds "cottages" for himself (with Charity dollars) and his successor. Is this another example of corrupt "old people" in India, which Chari mentions above??
Is this what he, an ex-ceo for a large consortium(TTK Group) calls environmentally sound? Is that an ethical use of "charity dollars"? But it is probably very difficult to prove "illegality". And all this as the poor die of starvation in Africa!! SHAME!! And the so-called "spiritual" and pseudo-environmentalist disciples support that "old fart's corruption"?
As long as it's exotic, then it's OK? If it's from India, then it must be "spiritual" or is that in REALITY: SPIRITUALISM or SPIRITISM or some other form of "old people's" corruption of spirituality?
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More to come later...
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Friday, July 29, 2011
Sahaj Marg(tm) and DESTRUCTION!!
Taken from an article: "Destruction", by Elodie on her blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg
Comments and insertions by 4d-Don are in "red italics"
The saying, once used by Sahaj Marg(tm), does not seem to apply anymore:
"SPIRITUALITY unites and RELIGION/SPIRITALISM divides."
Sahaj Marg has not shown itself to unite even its own disciples and preceptors (and their families), and now, the abhyasis (practitioners) are being prepared for divisions in their own invented BRIGHTER WORLD, (with a "central region") where the saved will go "up" (heaven?) and the lost will go "down" (hell?)!! And they call their apocalyptic new religion "different" and "unique"?
Beware: Abhyasis are being prepared for a RELIGIOUS/SPIRITUALIST heaven and hell with some preferred position (space) in their "Brighter World" ("up") and some less preferred for the lost or the "left-behind" ("down").
This is NOT SPIRITUALITY but religion and SPIRITUALISM (Mediums, spirits, apocalyptic destructions and a "heaven and hell"!!
Sahaj Marg(tm) even divides their own invented "other worlds"!! They (the leadership) seem controlled by their reductionist or divisive MIND ! Or a spiritualist "ritual" of creating a divisive EGREGORE has been instigated by Chari, claiming it to come from Babuji! Egregores (Groupthink), like water always go to the "lowest common denominator" !!
July 29, 2011
Destruction
Chari's last speech at his birthday party unfortunately confirms our analysis on the apocalyptic turn of the Shri Ram Chandra Mission. After a long verse on the gangrenous corruption that plagues the world of politics in India, Chari concludes his speech with destruction and punishment, and the elite representatives of Sahaj Marg. Sad and regrettable, these populist and apocalyptic developments.
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Babuji Maharaj told me some twenty years ago, he said, “Dekho [Look], there is going to be destruction.”
Even now, our Whispers messages that we are getting, there is always talk of destruction. I am waiting one day for at least some hopeful message – not as long as we don’t change.
So what did Babuji Maharaj say when I asked him, “What about destruction? You are always talking about destruction.”
He said, “Yes.” And he was happy, he was laughing. He said, “Voh to hona hi hai. (It has to happen.)”
I said, “Babuji, what about sincere abhyasis who are devoted to you?”
He said, “Everybody will suffer when there is destruction.”
I asked him, “What is the use then of being an abhyasi?”
He said, “Itna sa farak hai, jo abhyasi hain, jo sincere hain, voh oopar jayenge, aur log neeche jaayenge.”
He said, “Those who are sincere abhyasis, dedicated, devoted, truthful, they will have to go but they will go up. The rest will go down. This is the difference.”
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Chari confirms that the messages of Whispers distil gradually for the abhyasis, the idea of inevitable destruction.
Babuji would have (allegedly) spoken to him twenty years ago, that is to say in 1991, seven years after his death. We did not know that Chari conversed directly with Babuji from the Brighter World. We even understand that the Whispers reached us via a medium (the anonymous French Lady Medium-AFLM) because Babuji could not communicate directly with Chari.
That upsets a little some of our knowledge, unless that at 84 years old, Chari is starting to ramble and mixes up the years, or it is only a lie. Earlier in his speech he said that the most elderly are the mostly corrupt. Should we apply to him, his own statement?
Regardless, he reports that Babuji tells him that the destruction is inevitable. However, it is undated and not explicit, leaving the possibility of interpretation in the future. As did Nostradamus in his time, he is opening until today, the field of the date interpretations to infinity.
Chari's reaction is interesting because he is concerned about the fate of the abhyasis, implying that they (the elite, the rewarded) should fare better than others. And Babuji to reassure him, said that even if they also have to suffer, they will fare better than the others (the impious, the barbarians, etc.)..
Chari, thank you for this shocking confirmation, Sahaj Marg is definitely dead and buried.
Elodie
See also:
The Punishment of the World and the Elite of Sahaj Marg(tm)
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Comments and insertions by 4d-Don are in "red italics"
The saying, once used by Sahaj Marg(tm), does not seem to apply anymore:
"SPIRITUALITY unites and RELIGION/SPIRITALISM divides."
Sahaj Marg has not shown itself to unite even its own disciples and preceptors (and their families), and now, the abhyasis (practitioners) are being prepared for divisions in their own invented BRIGHTER WORLD, (with a "central region") where the saved will go "up" (heaven?) and the lost will go "down" (hell?)!! And they call their apocalyptic new religion "different" and "unique"?
Beware: Abhyasis are being prepared for a RELIGIOUS/SPIRITUALIST heaven and hell with some preferred position (space) in their "Brighter World" ("up") and some less preferred for the lost or the "left-behind" ("down").
This is NOT SPIRITUALITY but religion and SPIRITUALISM (Mediums, spirits, apocalyptic destructions and a "heaven and hell"!!
Sahaj Marg(tm) even divides their own invented "other worlds"!! They (the leadership) seem controlled by their reductionist or divisive MIND ! Or a spiritualist "ritual" of creating a divisive EGREGORE has been instigated by Chari, claiming it to come from Babuji! Egregores (Groupthink), like water always go to the "lowest common denominator" !!
July 29, 2011
Destruction
Chari's last speech at his birthday party unfortunately confirms our analysis on the apocalyptic turn of the Shri Ram Chandra Mission. After a long verse on the gangrenous corruption that plagues the world of politics in India, Chari concludes his speech with destruction and punishment, and the elite representatives of Sahaj Marg. Sad and regrettable, these populist and apocalyptic developments.
(...)
Babuji Maharaj told me some twenty years ago, he said, “Dekho [Look], there is going to be destruction.”
Even now, our Whispers messages that we are getting, there is always talk of destruction. I am waiting one day for at least some hopeful message – not as long as we don’t change.
So what did Babuji Maharaj say when I asked him, “What about destruction? You are always talking about destruction.”
He said, “Yes.” And he was happy, he was laughing. He said, “Voh to hona hi hai. (It has to happen.)”
I said, “Babuji, what about sincere abhyasis who are devoted to you?”
He said, “Everybody will suffer when there is destruction.”
I asked him, “What is the use then of being an abhyasi?”
He said, “Itna sa farak hai, jo abhyasi hain, jo sincere hain, voh oopar jayenge, aur log neeche jaayenge.”
He said, “Those who are sincere abhyasis, dedicated, devoted, truthful, they will have to go but they will go up. The rest will go down. This is the difference.”
(...)
Chari confirms that the messages of Whispers distil gradually for the abhyasis, the idea of inevitable destruction.
Babuji would have (allegedly) spoken to him twenty years ago, that is to say in 1991, seven years after his death. We did not know that Chari conversed directly with Babuji from the Brighter World. We even understand that the Whispers reached us via a medium (the anonymous French Lady Medium-AFLM) because Babuji could not communicate directly with Chari.
That upsets a little some of our knowledge, unless that at 84 years old, Chari is starting to ramble and mixes up the years, or it is only a lie. Earlier in his speech he said that the most elderly are the mostly corrupt. Should we apply to him, his own statement?
Regardless, he reports that Babuji tells him that the destruction is inevitable. However, it is undated and not explicit, leaving the possibility of interpretation in the future. As did Nostradamus in his time, he is opening until today, the field of the date interpretations to infinity.
Chari's reaction is interesting because he is concerned about the fate of the abhyasis, implying that they (the elite, the rewarded) should fare better than others. And Babuji to reassure him, said that even if they also have to suffer, they will fare better than the others (the impious, the barbarians, etc.)..
Chari, thank you for this shocking confirmation, Sahaj Marg is definitely dead and buried.
Elodie
See also:
The Punishment of the World and the Elite of Sahaj Marg(tm)
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Friday, July 01, 2011
The Punishment of the World And The Elite of Sahaj Marg(tm)
Taken and translated from an article: "Le chatiment du monde et les élus de la SRCM", by Élodie on her blog in Europe, Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg .
Insertion by 4d-Don for the sake of translation are in "red italics"
Happy Canada Day!
July 1, 2011
The punishment of the world and the elect (chosen, elite) of the SRCM
The French Interministerial Mission for Vigilance and Combatting against Sectarian Abuses (Miviludes) has released its latest report, with the main theme being: the resurgence of apocalyptic discourse.
In the appendices to the first part of this report, I invite you to read the analysis of Sonya Jougla, a clinical psychologist specializing in the care of victims of sectarian influence (read from pages 115-126 of the report at: http://www.miviludes.gouv.fr/IMG/pdf/ra2010_mise_en_ligne.pdf).
The Shri Ram Chandra Mission enters fully into the criteria that defines an apocalyptic cult. Indeed, it is not necessary to announce the end of THE world or the date of the Apocalypse to be classified as an apocalyptic cult, suffice it to announce the end of ONE world.
The meaning of Apocalypse (from page 117):
"A relentless logic which one finds in all apocalyptic groups:
- Society and the world are evil, locked in matter, in the material;
- We (the group), we are good, invested with a "divine mission" by "superior entities";
- Our mission is to save the world;
- Only the elect (chosen, elite) will be saved. The ungodly, the unbelievers will be annihilated;
- The groups await this end of the world to create with the elect (chosen, elite), this future utopian world, a kind of paradise on earth, and create the new human race. "
One would think that one was reading the Whispers of Babuji in the text.
Elodie
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Insertion by 4d-Don for the sake of translation are in "red italics"
Happy Canada Day!
July 1, 2011
The punishment of the world and the elect (chosen, elite) of the SRCM
The French Interministerial Mission for Vigilance and Combatting against Sectarian Abuses (Miviludes) has released its latest report, with the main theme being: the resurgence of apocalyptic discourse.
In the appendices to the first part of this report, I invite you to read the analysis of Sonya Jougla, a clinical psychologist specializing in the care of victims of sectarian influence (read from pages 115-126 of the report at: http://www.miviludes.gouv.fr/IMG/pdf/ra2010_mise_en_ligne.pdf).
The Shri Ram Chandra Mission enters fully into the criteria that defines an apocalyptic cult. Indeed, it is not necessary to announce the end of THE world or the date of the Apocalypse to be classified as an apocalyptic cult, suffice it to announce the end of ONE world.
The meaning of Apocalypse (from page 117):
"A relentless logic which one finds in all apocalyptic groups:
- Society and the world are evil, locked in matter, in the material;
- We (the group), we are good, invested with a "divine mission" by "superior entities";
- Our mission is to save the world;
- Only the elect (chosen, elite) will be saved. The ungodly, the unbelievers will be annihilated;
- The groups await this end of the world to create with the elect (chosen, elite), this future utopian world, a kind of paradise on earth, and create the new human race. "
One would think that one was reading the Whispers of Babuji in the text.
Elodie
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Tuesday, June 28, 2011
Let it Be? Comment on Adizes Blog re: Sahaj Marg(tm). (un-published)
This comment was posted on an essay by Dr. Ichak K. Adizes about Sahaj Marg(tm): The Wonderful Life of Not Expecting! on the Adizes blog site on June 28, 2001 at 1:38 PM.
Comment by 4d-Don:
Since the moderator of that blog did not publish my comment, then I will publish it here.
Dear Sir:
Let it be??
The current Master of Sahaj Marg did not "let it be" when he was removed as Secretary of SRCM (Lucknow-1945) by the founder. He did not "let it be" when the Board of Directors refused his succession letter and accepted the Founder's son, Umesh's letter of nomination. Instead, he founded a parallel society, using the same name but registered in San Luis Obispo, California, USA (SRCM California-1997).
The court cases between the two successors and societies demonstrates that: "words are cheap"... Like true materialist businessmen, they do not "let it be", but do everyting to control and posess.
There's a saying "down home": "Push, but push evenly". Or: "What's good for the goose, (the followers), should be good for the gander (the Master)"
Is that not why most see religion as "hypocritical"?
Don
See also original article on this blog:
For Sahaj Marg(tm)! Another Successor Soon?
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Comment by 4d-Don:
Since the moderator of that blog did not publish my comment, then I will publish it here.
Dear Sir:
Let it be??
The current Master of Sahaj Marg did not "let it be" when he was removed as Secretary of SRCM (Lucknow-1945) by the founder. He did not "let it be" when the Board of Directors refused his succession letter and accepted the Founder's son, Umesh's letter of nomination. Instead, he founded a parallel society, using the same name but registered in San Luis Obispo, California, USA (SRCM California-1997).
The court cases between the two successors and societies demonstrates that: "words are cheap"... Like true materialist businessmen, they do not "let it be", but do everyting to control and posess.
There's a saying "down home": "Push, but push evenly". Or: "What's good for the goose, (the followers), should be good for the gander (the Master)"
Is that not why most see religion as "hypocritical"?
Don
See also original article on this blog:
For Sahaj Marg(tm)! Another Successor Soon?
.
.
.
Tuesday, June 21, 2011
For Sahaj Marg(tm)! Another Successor Soon?
Taken and translated from an article by Alexis: "Bientôt, un Autre Successeur" on Elodie's blog: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg.
Comment by 4d-Don, author of this blog:
There are some admitted "embellishments" and POV (point of view) by Alexis in the section: "... the latter flatters his ego..." and in the section: "... the conquered ..."
This "pact" sounds like a created rumour mill by Sahaj Marg(tm) "management team", so as to attract the curious "party-goers" to Chari's birthday bash!! Sort of like playing on the lower emotions in people ... Not the heart (the pump for blood), but lower than that!! ;-))
And for that "holy grail", they will leave the NATURAL and God-created HEART of their family, friends, country, and increase their "carbon footprint" in the search for ONE GOD which is EVERYTHING, and WHICH (not WHO) is EVERYWHERE, and EVERYWHEN (The E-Trinity) ...
Future generations?? Who cares eh!! We're SPIRITUALISTS!! We're in the "heart" ... or lower!! It's good for tourism, the Oil companies, and for business ... God is a capitalist of course ... but all this spiritualist capitalism is not for the human PUMP ... the true heart.
Now, like all good religious hypocrites, the Sahaj Marg(tm) disciples can preach and claim their meditation method to be Raja Yoga (starting at step #7 of an eightfold path), but eat un-rajasic but sensuously SPICY food ... for the heart!!
June 20, 2011
Soon another successor?
SRCM is preparing the future
Chari charged Dr. Adizes to put forth proposals for the reorganization of the Mission to meet the increase in membership over the past 30 years, and for the future.
The result of this consultation and its practical implications will be unveiled during the ceremony of his (Chari's) birthday.
Born in Skopje in Macedonia in 1937, Ichak Kalderon Adizes is the head of the consulting firm of the same name and one of the world's leading experts in performance and organizational change.
Having been introduced over two years ago by his friend and colleague, Sunil Dovedy, to the method of meditation according to Sahaj Marg(tm), Ichak Kalderon Adizes (73 years) eventually agrees to spend a week at the Satkhol ashram in the foothills of the Himalayas in March, in Chari's company. During this period, the latter flatters his ego by giving him the "teacher" role, and by treating himself as a "student". After a 40-year career, a conquered Adizes suddenly discovers that his methodology is only made of logic and that it lacks the heart. History, he said, was marked by a few nations who have contributed strategically: the Jews brought monotheism, ancient Athens, democracy, and America, capitalism and "a well-functioning market system"(sic) it is time that India makes its contribution of spiritualism to our civilization.
Since his retreat in the Himalayan Adizes notes on March 25, that he is trying to lose his bad habit of always waiting, wanting and desiring things, all precursors to feelings of frustration. Like many Jews, he says he lives in his head, but he must learn to be content with what comes, "Let It Be" (re-sic). For this expert on Change, finished is the strength of the mind, the will and reason that has made what he has become. Repudiation of 40 years of experience? To a commentator (on his blog) who underlines nicely the contrast between his methodology, his teaching and the new laissez faire attitude, he offers no answer ...
In short, after much conditioning, Chari appoints him Prefect, and assigns him the task of bringing forward a group of 25 "representatives" of the future organization of the SRCM and its associated structures (SMSF, LMOIS, etc.). during 10 days, from May 5 to 14 in Bangalore.
On his blog, on May 28th, Adizes gives an account of his journey, and he notes how much "meditation calms the mind," he adds that "in one afternoon, we were able to make decisions, which during my forty years of experience, would normally have taken at least ten months prior to becoming realized. " Two days later, he declared on twitter (May 30) "The faster the change, the faster the problems arise. "(Re-re sic).
Senility or mental influence?
SRCM has grown a lot bigger over the last 30 years and Chari is older. The aim of the new organization is twofold: to address enrollment growth, but also to unload Chari of the administrative tasks of the Mission.
In short, the first results announced is the establishment of a team of "global service" to help Chari and to assure the future of Sahaj Marg, and the creation of a pact of service signed by Chari and the 25 participants in a spirit of love and selfless service. The remaining measures will be announced in late July ...
But Chari has already named the 13 people who will man his inner circle team:
- PR Krishna, Spiritual Development Program
- Sanjay Bhatia, Lalaji Memorial Educational Society
- Santosh Sreenivasan, Spiritual Formation
- Rishabh Kothari, Member Services
- Chak Sriprasad, Continuous Improvement
- Rajendrasinh Rathod, India (spiritual support worldwide)
- Mr. Poul Juul, West (spiritual support worldwide)
- Nitin Govil, East (spiritual support worldwide)
- William Waycott, The Americas (spiritual support worldwide)
- Sharat Hegde, Building construction
- Sudhir Marwaha, Fixed Assets
- Santosh Khanjee, Operations
- Kamlesh Patel, Ombudsman
This team should help support an aging Chari. Note that the son of Chari is leading the list and is charged with spiritual development. Sanjay Bhatia, the one who climbs and climbs, comes in second. But there is still not a shadow of a woman, and only two people are not of Indian origin (one American and one Scandinavian). Will there be on July 24 one of those persons designated to succeed Chari, replacing outgoing Ajay Kumar Bhatter?
This reorganization is justified by changes in the last 30 years! Is it not wonderful? Insidiously, Chari omits the period of Babuji and refocuses the growth of the Mission on his 30-year presidency, thus giving himself the main benefit ...
The spiritual goal of the Mission is of course strongly reaffirmed. Hence the drafting of the service covenant that will be unveiled on July 24, but we already know that he is the guarantor of a "spirit of love and selfless service."
The notions of obedience and service continuously reaffirmed by Chari are always present, except that in the shading, he has now replaced obedience by love. But Chari keeps saying that obedience is the best means to love:
"(...) And a growing love should be reflected in a growing obedience. And when this is absolute, obedience must be absolute. (...) For me it is a direct relationship: obedience, love, obedience, more, more love, the highest obedience, the highest love. (...) Obedience is the first law of spirituality. I place it above love because true obedience comes only with love. (...) It is not easy to love, but it is easy to obey. And it is my experience that if you obey, and just go on and on, it's easier than trying to love someone. (...) "
(In Salient Features No. 4).
The event is carefully staged, it maintains the suspense!
Unlike the speech "Secure the Future" in 2005 which announced the appointment of Ajay (Kumar Bhatter) to the surprise of many, this time the reorganization was officially announced on May 21 in Sahaj Sandesh. And leaks are deliberate to keep the suspense and feed the rumors.
We already know that organizational changes and the precise nature of the pact will be announced July 24. But will he other revelations? Will Chari go as far as to officially designate the new successor?
The grapevine is buzzing! Will Chari create the event?
To be continued ...
Alexis
Sources :
http://www.adizes.com/blog/?p=799 – The Wonderful Life of Not Expecting, 25/3/2011
http://www.adizes.com/institute_news.php?ed=march – Read: Dr. Adizes in India et Dr. Adizes in the Himalayas
http://www.sahajmarg.org/newsletter/sahajsandesh/2011.15 – Sahaj Sandesh N°15, 21/05/2011.
http://www.adizes.com/blog/?p=866 – Travel Report (May) : Ten days in India, le 28/05/2011
http://twitter.com/#!/adizes – See May 30, 2011
See also... (comment by 4d-don on Adizes blog ... un-published ... See why!! )
Let It Be? Comment on Adizes Blog ... Unpublished!
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.
Comment by 4d-Don, author of this blog:
There are some admitted "embellishments" and POV (point of view) by Alexis in the section: "... the latter flatters his ego..." and in the section: "... the conquered ..."
This "pact" sounds like a created rumour mill by Sahaj Marg(tm) "management team", so as to attract the curious "party-goers" to Chari's birthday bash!! Sort of like playing on the lower emotions in people ... Not the heart (the pump for blood), but lower than that!! ;-))
And for that "holy grail", they will leave the NATURAL and God-created HEART of their family, friends, country, and increase their "carbon footprint" in the search for ONE GOD which is EVERYTHING, and WHICH (not WHO) is EVERYWHERE, and EVERYWHEN (The E-Trinity) ...
Future generations?? Who cares eh!! We're SPIRITUALISTS!! We're in the "heart" ... or lower!! It's good for tourism, the Oil companies, and for business ... God is a capitalist of course ... but all this spiritualist capitalism is not for the human PUMP ... the true heart.
Now, like all good religious hypocrites, the Sahaj Marg(tm) disciples can preach and claim their meditation method to be Raja Yoga (starting at step #7 of an eightfold path), but eat un-rajasic but sensuously SPICY food ... for the heart!!
June 20, 2011
Soon another successor?
SRCM is preparing the future
Chari charged Dr. Adizes to put forth proposals for the reorganization of the Mission to meet the increase in membership over the past 30 years, and for the future.
The result of this consultation and its practical implications will be unveiled during the ceremony of his (Chari's) birthday.
Born in Skopje in Macedonia in 1937, Ichak Kalderon Adizes is the head of the consulting firm of the same name and one of the world's leading experts in performance and organizational change.
Having been introduced over two years ago by his friend and colleague, Sunil Dovedy, to the method of meditation according to Sahaj Marg(tm), Ichak Kalderon Adizes (73 years) eventually agrees to spend a week at the Satkhol ashram in the foothills of the Himalayas in March, in Chari's company. During this period, the latter flatters his ego by giving him the "teacher" role, and by treating himself as a "student". After a 40-year career, a conquered Adizes suddenly discovers that his methodology is only made of logic and that it lacks the heart. History, he said, was marked by a few nations who have contributed strategically: the Jews brought monotheism, ancient Athens, democracy, and America, capitalism and "a well-functioning market system"(sic) it is time that India makes its contribution of spiritualism to our civilization.
Since his retreat in the Himalayan Adizes notes on March 25, that he is trying to lose his bad habit of always waiting, wanting and desiring things, all precursors to feelings of frustration. Like many Jews, he says he lives in his head, but he must learn to be content with what comes, "Let It Be" (re-sic). For this expert on Change, finished is the strength of the mind, the will and reason that has made what he has become. Repudiation of 40 years of experience? To a commentator (on his blog) who underlines nicely the contrast between his methodology, his teaching and the new laissez faire attitude, he offers no answer ...
In short, after much conditioning, Chari appoints him Prefect, and assigns him the task of bringing forward a group of 25 "representatives" of the future organization of the SRCM and its associated structures (SMSF, LMOIS, etc.). during 10 days, from May 5 to 14 in Bangalore.
On his blog, on May 28th, Adizes gives an account of his journey, and he notes how much "meditation calms the mind," he adds that "in one afternoon, we were able to make decisions, which during my forty years of experience, would normally have taken at least ten months prior to becoming realized. " Two days later, he declared on twitter (May 30) "The faster the change, the faster the problems arise. "(Re-re sic).
Senility or mental influence?
SRCM has grown a lot bigger over the last 30 years and Chari is older. The aim of the new organization is twofold: to address enrollment growth, but also to unload Chari of the administrative tasks of the Mission.
In short, the first results announced is the establishment of a team of "global service" to help Chari and to assure the future of Sahaj Marg, and the creation of a pact of service signed by Chari and the 25 participants in a spirit of love and selfless service. The remaining measures will be announced in late July ...
But Chari has already named the 13 people who will man his inner circle team:
- PR Krishna, Spiritual Development Program
- Sanjay Bhatia, Lalaji Memorial Educational Society
- Santosh Sreenivasan, Spiritual Formation
- Rishabh Kothari, Member Services
- Chak Sriprasad, Continuous Improvement
- Rajendrasinh Rathod, India (spiritual support worldwide)
- Mr. Poul Juul, West (spiritual support worldwide)
- Nitin Govil, East (spiritual support worldwide)
- William Waycott, The Americas (spiritual support worldwide)
- Sharat Hegde, Building construction
- Sudhir Marwaha, Fixed Assets
- Santosh Khanjee, Operations
- Kamlesh Patel, Ombudsman
This team should help support an aging Chari. Note that the son of Chari is leading the list and is charged with spiritual development. Sanjay Bhatia, the one who climbs and climbs, comes in second. But there is still not a shadow of a woman, and only two people are not of Indian origin (one American and one Scandinavian). Will there be on July 24 one of those persons designated to succeed Chari, replacing outgoing Ajay Kumar Bhatter?
This reorganization is justified by changes in the last 30 years! Is it not wonderful? Insidiously, Chari omits the period of Babuji and refocuses the growth of the Mission on his 30-year presidency, thus giving himself the main benefit ...
The spiritual goal of the Mission is of course strongly reaffirmed. Hence the drafting of the service covenant that will be unveiled on July 24, but we already know that he is the guarantor of a "spirit of love and selfless service."
The notions of obedience and service continuously reaffirmed by Chari are always present, except that in the shading, he has now replaced obedience by love. But Chari keeps saying that obedience is the best means to love:
"(...) And a growing love should be reflected in a growing obedience. And when this is absolute, obedience must be absolute. (...) For me it is a direct relationship: obedience, love, obedience, more, more love, the highest obedience, the highest love. (...) Obedience is the first law of spirituality. I place it above love because true obedience comes only with love. (...) It is not easy to love, but it is easy to obey. And it is my experience that if you obey, and just go on and on, it's easier than trying to love someone. (...) "
(In Salient Features No. 4).
The event is carefully staged, it maintains the suspense!
Unlike the speech "Secure the Future" in 2005 which announced the appointment of Ajay (Kumar Bhatter) to the surprise of many, this time the reorganization was officially announced on May 21 in Sahaj Sandesh. And leaks are deliberate to keep the suspense and feed the rumors.
We already know that organizational changes and the precise nature of the pact will be announced July 24. But will he other revelations? Will Chari go as far as to officially designate the new successor?
The grapevine is buzzing! Will Chari create the event?
To be continued ...
Alexis
Sources :
http://www.adizes.com/blog/?p=799 – The Wonderful Life of Not Expecting, 25/3/2011
http://www.adizes.com/institute_news.php?ed=march – Read: Dr. Adizes in India et Dr. Adizes in the Himalayas
http://www.sahajmarg.org/newsletter/sahajsandesh/2011.15 – Sahaj Sandesh N°15, 21/05/2011.
http://www.adizes.com/blog/?p=866 – Travel Report (May) : Ten days in India, le 28/05/2011
http://twitter.com/#!/adizes – See May 30, 2011
See also... (comment by 4d-don on Adizes blog ... un-published ... See why!! )
Let It Be? Comment on Adizes Blog ... Unpublished!
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.
Tuesday, June 14, 2011
The Mission (Sahaj Marg(tm), You Love It Or Leave It!
Taken from a comment by ex-Abhyasi, Krys: "La Mission: Tu L'aime Ou Tu La Quitte", on Élodie's Blog in Europe, Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg.
Insertions by 4d-don, for the sake of accuracy of translation are in "red italics".
Here we can witness the workings of an "egregore" as a pyramidal pseudo-religious society drifts to its"lowest common denominator"!! See here! (1) (2)(3)(4)(5)
Krys Said:
June 14, 2011
The Mission (Sahaj Marg(tm): You Love It Or Leave It
I just come to give my support to Élodie, I sent my comments on this blog in the spring of 2006, it's been 5 years, when some were questioning the excesses of the mission, angry at the attitude of my preceptor and other abhyasis. I ended up leaving the mission, largely pushed to the exit by these people.
Chariji had certainly made mistakes, but he remains undoubtedly a great spiritual personality. My criticism goes rather to the other abhyasis (disciples). There were several of us asking questions, but our teacher (preceptor) accused us of being bad abhyasis, most have returned to the ranks and everyone turned against me. I was the black sheep, which brought contradiction, doubt, rebellion. I have been accused of all evils: I did not do the work on my character correctly, and my slanders, and everything. I did not trust the Master, I was unworthy, I do not deserve what he gave me. They pushed me out. Nobody wanted to discuss with me, they just guilted me, that's all.
Chariji is not a saint, but his followers are even worse!
Now, today, when I meet them on the street, they ignore me, they don't know me anymore, the only one who came back towards me, is another who also abandoned the practice.
To survive in the mission, you can question yourself if you want to, but always in secret. Especially do not tell anyone! If you're sharing your questions with others, you will be put back in line, or excluded (shunned). There are no other alternatives. At the mission, there are no responses, because one does not ask questions. Doubt is forbidden, it is already a lack of spirituality, a breach of Sahaj Marg. The preceptor is the guardian of the dogma and the abhyasis are his toy soldiers, a sort of secret police of your thoughts.
Without that state of mind, Sahaj Marg is wonderful. If you doubt, your girlfriends will let you go. You come back into line or they demolish you, to the point of slamming the door in your face.
Thank you girlfriends, my best enemies.
Krys
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See Also:
"Whispers from Brighter World" Becomes the NEW BIBLE of Sahaj Marg(tm).
Translation and Transcript of Sister Kasturi's Interview (Feb.20, 2009)
The "enemies of Spirituality"!
Is Sahaj Marg(tm) an "Apocalyptic Sect"??
.
.
Insertions by 4d-don, for the sake of accuracy of translation are in "red italics".
Here we can witness the workings of an "egregore" as a pyramidal pseudo-religious society drifts to its"lowest common denominator"!! See here! (1) (2)(3)(4)(5)
Krys Said:
June 14, 2011
The Mission (Sahaj Marg(tm): You Love It Or Leave It
I just come to give my support to Élodie, I sent my comments on this blog in the spring of 2006, it's been 5 years, when some were questioning the excesses of the mission, angry at the attitude of my preceptor and other abhyasis. I ended up leaving the mission, largely pushed to the exit by these people.
Chariji had certainly made mistakes, but he remains undoubtedly a great spiritual personality. My criticism goes rather to the other abhyasis (disciples). There were several of us asking questions, but our teacher (preceptor) accused us of being bad abhyasis, most have returned to the ranks and everyone turned against me. I was the black sheep, which brought contradiction, doubt, rebellion. I have been accused of all evils: I did not do the work on my character correctly, and my slanders, and everything. I did not trust the Master, I was unworthy, I do not deserve what he gave me. They pushed me out. Nobody wanted to discuss with me, they just guilted me, that's all.
Chariji is not a saint, but his followers are even worse!
Now, today, when I meet them on the street, they ignore me, they don't know me anymore, the only one who came back towards me, is another who also abandoned the practice.
To survive in the mission, you can question yourself if you want to, but always in secret. Especially do not tell anyone! If you're sharing your questions with others, you will be put back in line, or excluded (shunned). There are no other alternatives. At the mission, there are no responses, because one does not ask questions. Doubt is forbidden, it is already a lack of spirituality, a breach of Sahaj Marg. The preceptor is the guardian of the dogma and the abhyasis are his toy soldiers, a sort of secret police of your thoughts.
Without that state of mind, Sahaj Marg is wonderful. If you doubt, your girlfriends will let you go. You come back into line or they demolish you, to the point of slamming the door in your face.
Thank you girlfriends, my best enemies.
Krys
.
See Also:
"Whispers from Brighter World" Becomes the NEW BIBLE of Sahaj Marg(tm).
Translation and Transcript of Sister Kasturi's Interview (Feb.20, 2009)
The "enemies of Spirituality"!
Is Sahaj Marg(tm) an "Apocalyptic Sect"??
.
.
Monday, June 06, 2011
Who Am I? By Blogger Elodie, Ex-Abhyasis of Sahaj Marg!
Taken and translated from an article by Elodie on her blog: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg.
Insertions for the sake of clarity (translation) by 4d-Don are in "red italics".
June 6, 2011
Who am I?
My report on Sahaj Marg
The new readers do not generally read the blog from its beginning, and they sometimes wonder about my path. It is perhaps worthwhile to elucidate.
I was brought up and bottle-fed on Sahaj Marg from my early childhood. My parents met Babuji and became his most ardent disciples. Then they renewed their loyalty to Chari and to the Shri Ram Chandra Mission. My whole family is steeped in Sahaj Marg.
For me, the question did not arise. I followed this path which met my expectations and all my spiritual education. I met my boyfriend and we began to raise our children in the same way.
Everything changed in 2005. Chari turned into a juggler so as to sell us his book Whispers at 250 € (Euros), the satsang of the large gathering at Vrads (Denmark) was interrupted for an auction. Obviously this was just the straw (that broke the camel's back), I had long wondered about some things that I sometimes did not understand and which caused me some trouble. But when I turned to others for answers to my questions, they did not answer except to stigmatize me for my lack of confidence and to reproach me my doubts: I was a bad abhyasi, the discussion ended there.
That's what led me to create this blog. Since we could not openly question within SRCM, I brought the discussion out. Convinced at the time of the spiritual value of Sahaj Marg and the greatness of our Master Chariji, I feared the excesses of the organization. Hence the title of the blog: So That Sahaj Marg May Live (Long Life Sahaj Marg), free from the excesses of the Shri Ram Chandra Mission, by a desperate abhyasi. Because I hoped with all my heart to see Chari and the SRCM get back on track and correct these errors. I still believed that the movement could reform itself, and get back to basics.
The following years have unfortunately done nothing but reinforced my concerns about the proliferation of the driftings (going off-track). Chari's "gift" reserved for the handful of the wealthiest abhyasis in 2006, was it a miscommunication or a voluntary and assumed drift (slide, slip)?
Meanwhile, research undertaken by some on this blog have revealed some hidden truths. The Sufi past of Lalaji, the absence of a unique spiritual lineage to Chari, and instead, the bushy family-tree of successors to Lalaji as well as to Babuji. Today, the spiritual work of Narayana and sister Kasturi is closer to the spiritual heritage of Babuji, etc. Even to the current project of the medium and Chari, similar to a paperback series of science fiction novels, apocalyptic and populist in overtones. I have long kept my consideration for Chari, but it has faltered and eventually disappeared. The racket (scam, con-job) of the medium has definitely opened my eyes.
There were good things in the teaching of Sahaj Marg, I'm still confident, but there is more than bad in the business concept that eventually replaced it, and which Chari was the main architect, even if the abhyasis have really helped. The master/disciple relationship has changed considerably in the SRCM as elsewhere. Now, with the globalization of spiritual groups, followers idolize an icon and the media gurus all succumb to the lure of power and money. My spiritual aspirations have never decreased, they are for me an essential necessity, they are part of my education, but I do not believe for a moment in the ability of groups and their spiritual gurus to respond appropriately. I feed my spirituality by scrounging here and there what seems to me the best, without ever focussing on a teacher or a particular group.
I should have stopped this blog long ago, once really separated from Sahaj Marg, and my mourning ended, the better to look elsewhere and to turn the page. But my whole family, my old relationships, all are still involved in SRCM. I saw their spiritual quest become an unfailing faith and blind obedience to the most vile absurdities, leading them to worship today what they rejected yesterday.
In the name of those values which they have instilled in me, and which I have never renounced, render them to me as I have known them, and not as they have become.
Elodie
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Insertions for the sake of clarity (translation) by 4d-Don are in "red italics".
June 6, 2011
Who am I?
My report on Sahaj Marg
The new readers do not generally read the blog from its beginning, and they sometimes wonder about my path. It is perhaps worthwhile to elucidate.
I was brought up and bottle-fed on Sahaj Marg from my early childhood. My parents met Babuji and became his most ardent disciples. Then they renewed their loyalty to Chari and to the Shri Ram Chandra Mission. My whole family is steeped in Sahaj Marg.
For me, the question did not arise. I followed this path which met my expectations and all my spiritual education. I met my boyfriend and we began to raise our children in the same way.
Everything changed in 2005. Chari turned into a juggler so as to sell us his book Whispers at 250 € (Euros), the satsang of the large gathering at Vrads (Denmark) was interrupted for an auction. Obviously this was just the straw (that broke the camel's back), I had long wondered about some things that I sometimes did not understand and which caused me some trouble. But when I turned to others for answers to my questions, they did not answer except to stigmatize me for my lack of confidence and to reproach me my doubts: I was a bad abhyasi, the discussion ended there.
That's what led me to create this blog. Since we could not openly question within SRCM, I brought the discussion out. Convinced at the time of the spiritual value of Sahaj Marg and the greatness of our Master Chariji, I feared the excesses of the organization. Hence the title of the blog: So That Sahaj Marg May Live (Long Life Sahaj Marg), free from the excesses of the Shri Ram Chandra Mission, by a desperate abhyasi. Because I hoped with all my heart to see Chari and the SRCM get back on track and correct these errors. I still believed that the movement could reform itself, and get back to basics.
The following years have unfortunately done nothing but reinforced my concerns about the proliferation of the driftings (going off-track). Chari's "gift" reserved for the handful of the wealthiest abhyasis in 2006, was it a miscommunication or a voluntary and assumed drift (slide, slip)?
Meanwhile, research undertaken by some on this blog have revealed some hidden truths. The Sufi past of Lalaji, the absence of a unique spiritual lineage to Chari, and instead, the bushy family-tree of successors to Lalaji as well as to Babuji. Today, the spiritual work of Narayana and sister Kasturi is closer to the spiritual heritage of Babuji, etc. Even to the current project of the medium and Chari, similar to a paperback series of science fiction novels, apocalyptic and populist in overtones. I have long kept my consideration for Chari, but it has faltered and eventually disappeared. The racket (scam, con-job) of the medium has definitely opened my eyes.
There were good things in the teaching of Sahaj Marg, I'm still confident, but there is more than bad in the business concept that eventually replaced it, and which Chari was the main architect, even if the abhyasis have really helped. The master/disciple relationship has changed considerably in the SRCM as elsewhere. Now, with the globalization of spiritual groups, followers idolize an icon and the media gurus all succumb to the lure of power and money. My spiritual aspirations have never decreased, they are for me an essential necessity, they are part of my education, but I do not believe for a moment in the ability of groups and their spiritual gurus to respond appropriately. I feed my spirituality by scrounging here and there what seems to me the best, without ever focussing on a teacher or a particular group.
I should have stopped this blog long ago, once really separated from Sahaj Marg, and my mourning ended, the better to look elsewhere and to turn the page. But my whole family, my old relationships, all are still involved in SRCM. I saw their spiritual quest become an unfailing faith and blind obedience to the most vile absurdities, leading them to worship today what they rejected yesterday.
In the name of those values which they have instilled in me, and which I have never renounced, render them to me as I have known them, and not as they have become.
Elodie
.
.
.
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