Taken and translated from an article by Alexis: "Encore et Toujours Dissidents", on Elodie's blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg.
Insertions for clarity by 4d-Don are in "red italics"
September 27, 2013
Again and Still Dissidents
Diaspora: The Gulbarga Branch is not Dead (in French on Alexis' blog)
Karnataka Dissidents Play at Prolongation
After
Ragavendra Rao, Vital Rao and Narayan Rao, Dr. Shyam Rao assures the relay of a teaching of Sahaj Marg which is faithful to the memory of Babuji, in direct
opposition to that of Chari.
Here's
what I wrote two years ago about these disciples of Babuji:
" Karnataka
is rich in old preceptors: [Beside the full preceptor, Ragavendra Rao from Raichur]
at Gulbarga, full preceptor Narayan Rao, born circa 1922 still continues to teach, while Dr. Rao Shiam steps back over time. In
Bangalore, the former judge of the High Court of Justice, the full preceptor Vital Rao, affectionately known as the Judge, also continues teaching despite his age (he was born around 1924)."
According to the latest news, Dr. Rao Shiam (or Shyam Rao Sham Rao or Shamarao ) is not as inactive as it seems. He is the new guru (Baba) of SRCM Karnataka, Gulbarga branch, dissenting from the SRCM of Chari. For legal reasons and to avoid legal troubles, he renamed it: the "Turning Point ." Here is what he said on June 18, 2013:
“Welcome to the Turning Point
What is the meaning & significance of Mission Branch Gulbarga?
It simply means the SRCM in miniature. Under the prevailing situation, the Centre mere intense (merely intends to?) expand its area of influence all over the jurisdiction of Karnataka, Maharashtra & Andhra. In other words it is how we maintain the link with the Organisation. It stands for spreading the ideology of our Mission without any deviation. Many abhyasis under this Centre or at present residing at different places. They shall begin to take up the work among the relatives, friends, near ones at their respective places. Therefore, it becomes imperative to get ourselves fully prepared within the duration at our disposal.(…)”
The main people responsible for this branch exchange information on the web at:
https://groups.google.com/forum/ #! forum / turningpoint - bangalore
In a more general way, Chari has never managed to extinguish the dissident factions of Sahaj Marg. His nightmare of an exploded SRCM is fully realized. The only thing he was able to impose on his rivals, is to no longer use the terms of "his" Sahaj Marg(tm) and the Shri Ram Chandra Mission (California-1997) ...
Alexis
For more information see: The Disciples of Babuji and other links below
Translation of Excerpts of this article (French) by Alexis on his Blog:
(see French article: "The Disciples of Babujj" for the names of a more complete list of famous ex-disciples of Babuji)
(....)
The
Indian Diaspora of Full Preceptors and Senior Preceptors
Professor of philosophy
and now retired, S.P. Srivastava, taught yogic sciences at the University of
Lakhimpur ( Uttar Pradesh, India). His meeting with Babuji dates from 1948 to 1949. After the death of Babuji, he chaired the Interim Working Committee of the SRCM Shahjahanpur from 1984 to 1994. Since
then, wanting to abolish the boundary between the so-called hard
sciences, yoga and spirituality, he created an association, the Belgian
branch of which was named: Shri Ram Chandra Memorial International Society
Promoting Spirituality As A Science ( INSPSAAS ). Kasturi accuses him of making himself the president.
Opposed
to Chari, the full preceptors, Ragavendra Rao and Ramachandra Reddy
accompanied the son of Babuji, Umesh Chandra Saxena, on his tour of the
United States in 1981. Later, Ragavendra Rao abandoned the place he occupied since 1984 on the Working Committee of the SRCM since the departure of S.P. Srivastava. Until
the end of his life in the spring of 2006, he stayed in his ashram
at Raichur in Karnataka, where he taught Sahaj Marg to all those who visited him.
Chari's armed henchmen immediately seized his ashram with the complicity of the police. Shortly after, Suresh Kumar Makam created a blog in his memory : http://makamsureshkumar.blogspot.com
Karnataka is rich in old faithful Babuji preceptors. In
2010, full preceptors still pursued their teaching, very independently of Chari: in Gulbarga, Narayan Rao ( born circa 1922 ), and in Bangalore Vital
Rao ( born circa 1924), affectionately known as "the Judge" because he was a former
judge of the High Court justice.
And still in Gulbarga, Dr. Rao Shiam (or Shyam Rao Sham Rao or Shamarao), takes over from the old preceptors in 2013. Unable
to keep the term "branch of SRCM in Karnataka", and to avoid a legal
battle with the SRCM of Chari, he renamed it: "Turning Point Bangalore".
Ramachandra Reddy meanwhile, also abandoned his place on the working committee and returned to Cuddapah in Andhra Pradesh. This
full preceptor creates Chandraji Maharaj Shri Ram Seva Trust, a separate
structure to distinct from the Mission (of Chari) to avoid any legal dispute, and teaches
Sahaj Marg until his death in 2008. This structure is currently headed by lawyer, T.V. Srinivasa Rao. Jogarao, a very old preceptor, born about 1913, died the previous year (2007) in Hyderabad.
In
this vast diaspora of the disciples of Babuji, there is also Chillapa
Satyanarayana, known as Swamiji, who manages from Hyderabad in Andhra
Pradesh, an institute called IUSCM (Institute of Universal Self
Conciousness Movement www.iuscm.com ). The
retired university professor in agriculture has "seeded" (the teachings) around himself in
his profession, and in the Pacific Ocean region, mainly in Australia where
there are several ashrams. His
spiritual path is Sahaja Yoga Raja Marga Gruhastha Dhyana Ashram (
SMRYDGA ), which follows the precept of " Marjalla Niti " . It is essentially based on the concept of universal consciousness, which he tries to theorize into a nice mathematical formula.
(...)
.
Saturday, September 28, 2013
Thursday, September 26, 2013
Founder of Sahaj Marg Dismantles his Creation!!
Taken for education and discussion from Society for Babuji's Mission web site, managed by Sharad Chandra Saxena, grandson of Babuji and K.C. Kishore.
4d-Don's comments are in "red italics"
Please note that Babuji passed away in 1983 and these are communications with the "spirit" of Babuji who allegedly is in the "Brighter World"...
Both Sharad (Babuji's grandson) and the "anonymous French lady Medium" of Chari's clan, claim to receive messages from the alleged "spirit" of Babuji from the "central region' of his Brighter World, although the messages at times appear contradictory. Also, the other factions created from the many schisms which have divided the Shri Ram Chandra Mission, have made no claims (to my knowledge) of "communication" with the spirits of the dead . (i.e. "spiritualism")
Addendum: It has come to my attention that Prof. Satyanarayana Chillapa, president of IUSCM, headquartered in Hyderabad, India also receives what he calls: Astral Transmissions from Babuji. These are presented as "Messages from the Master" in the IUSCM's monthly newsletters. (Theres is also some communication in this newsletter with Sharad's "Society for Babuji's Mission")
See many more such posts on Society for Babuji's Mission (Spotlight).
Posted On 18/6/2013 at 8:28
Sharad Chandra
1. When house is big, we need many servants for cleaning.
When I realised that they were acting as masters or authority, I decided to discontinue appointing them and also removed the system of introducing Sahaj Marg to deserving persons.
4. My object of birth has been to provide benefit to human beings through Power, so at last I decided to transmit all my Power to places like Temples, Mosques and Churches worldwide so that those visiting there could be benefitted.
Q. Sharad : Can Preceptors transmit without your support?
1. I said to Rev. Babuji Maharaj that preceptors will not like the word ‘servant’ for them. He immediately said designation is fixed as per the allotted duty not as per the liking. Be sure they can never be master ].
Rev. Babuji : “I too said about myself as one of the best
Thanks.
4d-Don's comments are in "red italics"
Please note that Babuji passed away in 1983 and these are communications with the "spirit" of Babuji who allegedly is in the "Brighter World"...
Both Sharad (Babuji's grandson) and the "anonymous French lady Medium" of Chari's clan, claim to receive messages from the alleged "spirit" of Babuji from the "central region' of his Brighter World, although the messages at times appear contradictory. Also, the other factions created from the many schisms which have divided the Shri Ram Chandra Mission, have made no claims (to my knowledge) of "communication" with the spirits of the dead . (i.e. "spiritualism")
Addendum: It has come to my attention that Prof. Satyanarayana Chillapa, president of IUSCM, headquartered in Hyderabad, India also receives what he calls: Astral Transmissions from Babuji. These are presented as "Messages from the Master" in the IUSCM's monthly newsletters. (Theres is also some communication in this newsletter with Sharad's "Society for Babuji's Mission")
See many more such posts on Society for Babuji's Mission (Spotlight).
Posted On 18/6/2013 at 8:28
Observing the pain of Rev. Babuji Maharaj caused by His appointed preceptors, I enquired of Him as to why He appointed them?
Sharad Chandra
30th May 2013
Reply of Rev. Babuji Maharaj;
1. When house is big, we need many servants for cleaning.
2. Appointer is always the owner and appointee is a servant. (He is appointer and preceptor is appointee)
3. Practically, it was not possible for me alone to move around the world physically and introduce the Sahaj Marg System. So I appointed them.
When I realised that they were acting as masters or authority, I decided to discontinue appointing them and also removed the system of introducing Sahaj Marg to deserving persons.
4. My object of birth has been to provide benefit to human beings through Power, so at last I decided to transmit all my Power to places like Temples, Mosques and Churches worldwide so that those visiting there could be benefitted.
Q. Sharad : Can Preceptors transmit without your support?
A. Rev. Babuji. Impossible - (Servants can only discharge the duty as
allotted to them, but cannot transfer power which can only be by the
owner.)
[ Note:
1. I said to Rev. Babuji Maharaj that preceptors will not like the word ‘servant’ for them. He immediately said designation is fixed as per the allotted duty not as per the liking. Be sure they can never be master ].
Rev. Babuji : “I too said about myself as one of the best
servant of God because He Allotted me the duty for Special
work. The same applies to the preceptors as well. When they
are allotted the duty to clean, they are servants. Those who
do not like this word, are free to stop discharging duties, and
be free from it.
“Preceptors should keep in mind that they will be 100%
punished by The Nature for mistake”.
Thanks.
Website : www.societyforbabujismission.org,in
.
See Also:
According to Babuji's Grandson, Whispers are "misleading"!
Sahaj Marg and Reality Without Covering (part 50)
.
.
According to Babuji's Grandson, Whispers are "misleading"!
Sahaj Marg and Reality Without Covering (part 50)
.
.
Wednesday, September 18, 2013
Sahaj Marg's Children of Omega
Taken and translated form an article by Elodie: "Les Enfants Omega", on her blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg.
Comments and insertions by 4d-Don are in "red italics":
OMEGA refers to the Sahaj Marg(tm) School in Chennai, India, the Lalaji Memorial Omega International School (LMOIS). Lalaji was actually a Sufi Master of the Naqshbandiya Sufi Brotherhood and was allegedly the first Indian (Hindu?) Sufi Master. His Master was a Muslim, Hujur Maharaj, and Lalaji's Sufi lineage is called: NaqshMuMRa Sufi Stream. (see here: NaqshMuMRa Nexus or here: NaqshMuMRa Sufi Stream )
Lalaji has his own organization and his own preceptors ... Babuji was not one of them, although he met Lalaji a few times; nor is Chari.
And Lalaji's family has strong connections to Persia (Iran?) and the Muslim Emperor, Akbar the Great since the 15th century. Emperor Akbar had gifted Babu Vrindavan, one of the renowned ancestors of this family, with the title ‘Chowdhary’ (chieftain?) and 555 villages amongst many other things. Lalaji's family collected taxes and supplied horses and soldiers for the Persians (see under "Mahatma Ram Chandraji"... aka: Lalaji).
But see this letter on Lalaji's family's site: Letter is from Babuji and is claiming to replace Lalaji's Sufism with his own "Sahaj Marga".
September 18, 2013
The Omega Children
4d-Don received this anonymous comment this past Sept.4, (2013):
“ (…) But don't you dare write about the school. I saw this post a few years back, and I didn't bother to comment.
But now that our children are out in the world, and already making huge impact every where they go, I just thought you should know about it. It is starting. You will read about Omega's children in the papers and magazines. There is no stopping them. How can I say that? Because I have seen the students of Omega, and then I see the students at the college I teach in. You can see the remarkable difference. You can see the respect for elders in their eyes when they talk. You can see the modesty in the way they talk about their achievements. They are excelling with their academics, they are already becoming successful entrepreneurs, they are winning people over with their personality, because they have spent the last few crucial years of their schooling in an environment that has filtered the world for them and given them the best.
Its 2013 right now. I can safely say that by 2015, there would be a lot of distinguished alumni from Omega, who would have formed a bright future for themselves, thanks to their school.
Bookmark this page so that when that day comes, remember this comment, realise how wrong you were about our school, about VBSE. Just be alone for a while, look yourself in the mirror and admit to yourself you were wrong. No one will know.”
Omega children or the children of Whispers? This anonymous person re-springs on us a digest of Babuji's posts from the great "beyond". A new race of human beings (allegedly?) brought here to lead the world of tomorrow and regenerate humanity.
A Small Reminder of Extracts from Whispers (... from the "central region" of Sahaj Marg(tm)'s "Brighter World", as allegedly channeled by an "anonymous French lady Medium", who claims to be a channel for Babuji, Lalaji, Chari's mother, his wife, other "elevated souls, and some "beings of light" without name! Hmmm!)
"Another race, stronger and with a highly developed sense of extrasensory perceptions, will establish a world that would surprise most people alive today." (25/02/01)-
"A new race of individuals , characterized by wider perceptions than this one, will open itself up to some much more advanced spaces of knowledge. They are already legions on earth, these gifted precursors of this race, which will help to burst the intellectual rigor, slowing the evolution of beings in this world."(31/10/03)-
"Some upheavals without name must occur to clean up this world, a long enough time, leaving finally emerge the chosen race, able to establish a new world corresponding to the predicted standards. (...) A new race is at work (...) ." (10/11/03)-
" (...) The souls who incarnate in this optic, seek an education that corresponds to them in all points. Those you call the indigo children will not accommodate themselves of outdated concepts . They will seek an appropriate vibration niche to the subtlety of their ethereal body. Many of those people already live in this world. They struggle to integrate into existing systems, devoid of interest for them most of the time. They arrive at a pivotal time in the history of the world and are different, hence, so often misunderstood as anything that can be distinguished from the multitude. These beings will gather and unite to recreate an environment giving them satisfaction. They will be pacifists, spiritually evolved, they will go to the essential without hesitation, of course, their wisdom, for the most part, being innate . A time will come when the number of these creatures will grow to form an elite regenerating humanity and guiding those less fortunate. Everything is written and thus wanted. May all be blessed!" (30/06/04)-
In the absence of tangible results from the abhyasis, the medium of Babuji announces a bright future and Chari is trying to make us believe that the "Omega" students embody this dream.
As for ourselves, irreducible critical minds, we are the less fortunate, we are wrong and they guide us.
Apparently, some believe and adhere to this nightmare.
Élodie
.
.
Comments and insertions by 4d-Don are in "red italics":
OMEGA refers to the Sahaj Marg(tm) School in Chennai, India, the Lalaji Memorial Omega International School (LMOIS). Lalaji was actually a Sufi Master of the Naqshbandiya Sufi Brotherhood and was allegedly the first Indian (Hindu?) Sufi Master. His Master was a Muslim, Hujur Maharaj, and Lalaji's Sufi lineage is called: NaqshMuMRa Sufi Stream. (see here: NaqshMuMRa Nexus or here: NaqshMuMRa Sufi Stream )
Lalaji has his own organization and his own preceptors ... Babuji was not one of them, although he met Lalaji a few times; nor is Chari.
And Lalaji's family has strong connections to Persia (Iran?) and the Muslim Emperor, Akbar the Great since the 15th century. Emperor Akbar had gifted Babu Vrindavan, one of the renowned ancestors of this family, with the title ‘Chowdhary’ (chieftain?) and 555 villages amongst many other things. Lalaji's family collected taxes and supplied horses and soldiers for the Persians (see under "Mahatma Ram Chandraji"... aka: Lalaji).
But see this letter on Lalaji's family's site: Letter is from Babuji and is claiming to replace Lalaji's Sufism with his own "Sahaj Marga".
September 18, 2013
The Omega Children
4d-Don received this anonymous comment this past Sept.4, (2013):
“ (…) But don't you dare write about the school. I saw this post a few years back, and I didn't bother to comment.
But now that our children are out in the world, and already making huge impact every where they go, I just thought you should know about it. It is starting. You will read about Omega's children in the papers and magazines. There is no stopping them. How can I say that? Because I have seen the students of Omega, and then I see the students at the college I teach in. You can see the remarkable difference. You can see the respect for elders in their eyes when they talk. You can see the modesty in the way they talk about their achievements. They are excelling with their academics, they are already becoming successful entrepreneurs, they are winning people over with their personality, because they have spent the last few crucial years of their schooling in an environment that has filtered the world for them and given them the best.
Its 2013 right now. I can safely say that by 2015, there would be a lot of distinguished alumni from Omega, who would have formed a bright future for themselves, thanks to their school.
Bookmark this page so that when that day comes, remember this comment, realise how wrong you were about our school, about VBSE. Just be alone for a while, look yourself in the mirror and admit to yourself you were wrong. No one will know.”
Omega children or the children of Whispers? This anonymous person re-springs on us a digest of Babuji's posts from the great "beyond". A new race of human beings (allegedly?) brought here to lead the world of tomorrow and regenerate humanity.
A Small Reminder of Extracts from Whispers (... from the "central region" of Sahaj Marg(tm)'s "Brighter World", as allegedly channeled by an "anonymous French lady Medium", who claims to be a channel for Babuji, Lalaji, Chari's mother, his wife, other "elevated souls, and some "beings of light" without name! Hmmm!)
"Another race, stronger and with a highly developed sense of extrasensory perceptions, will establish a world that would surprise most people alive today." (25/02/01)-
"A new race of individuals , characterized by wider perceptions than this one, will open itself up to some much more advanced spaces of knowledge. They are already legions on earth, these gifted precursors of this race, which will help to burst the intellectual rigor, slowing the evolution of beings in this world."(31/10/03)-
"Some upheavals without name must occur to clean up this world, a long enough time, leaving finally emerge the chosen race, able to establish a new world corresponding to the predicted standards. (...) A new race is at work (...) ." (10/11/03)-
" (...) The souls who incarnate in this optic, seek an education that corresponds to them in all points. Those you call the indigo children will not accommodate themselves of outdated concepts . They will seek an appropriate vibration niche to the subtlety of their ethereal body. Many of those people already live in this world. They struggle to integrate into existing systems, devoid of interest for them most of the time. They arrive at a pivotal time in the history of the world and are different, hence, so often misunderstood as anything that can be distinguished from the multitude. These beings will gather and unite to recreate an environment giving them satisfaction. They will be pacifists, spiritually evolved, they will go to the essential without hesitation, of course, their wisdom, for the most part, being innate . A time will come when the number of these creatures will grow to form an elite regenerating humanity and guiding those less fortunate. Everything is written and thus wanted. May all be blessed!" (30/06/04)-
In the absence of tangible results from the abhyasis, the medium of Babuji announces a bright future and Chari is trying to make us believe that the "Omega" students embody this dream.
As for ourselves, irreducible critical minds, we are the less fortunate, we are wrong and they guide us.
Apparently, some believe and adhere to this nightmare.
Élodie
.
.
Monday, September 09, 2013
Sahaj Marg(tm) and Life Beyond the Earth
Taken from an article by Alexis: "La Vie au delà de la Terre", on Élodie's blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg.
Comment by 4d-Don: This is an example of the "contradictory" and cryptic messages which generally come from such Spiritualist Groups!! (not Spirituality as in Raja Yoga, but spiritualism, as in Messages from the "spirits", channeled by a Medium ... Don't blindly believe this SCAM ... Ask for "Proof" from the Anonymous French Lady Medium (AFLM)!! Is this "really" from Babuji?? At Sahaj Marg(tm), you follow a MEDIUM and Mediums claim to act as "channels" for many "SPIRITS" ( spirits or "beings of light", egregores, etc..., so as to make more money or gain more power over others) !!
September 9, 2013
Life beyond Earth
Chari had demanded the release of this message of 6 December 2012, from Babuji's Brighter World.
« What are we – a breath, a nothing, and nothing more. This quote is very true; it summarizes the situation perfectly. Compared to eternity, man is a mere element of very low importance and yet he exists for reasons which cannot be explained herein. This whole whirlwind of life characterizes this world. Life on Earth is unique ; each planet has its own form of life, which be revealed in the future. Man is not currently ready to receive this teaching. Beings who are much more evolved live elsewhere and carefully observe this world, concerned by the turbulence induced by humans with regard to the general equilibrium.
It will take a long time for this truth to be accepted. Man is not unique and certainly not the most advanced. As the saying goes, some things are better left unsaid; we are venturing herein into an unusual area. The writing process we are using here with these messages is not accepted by all, and yet all the spiritual Masters of the past have used it, which is still little known today. Regardless, to not advance in the understanding of phenomena is harmful to humans. We have no magic wand ; time does its work, they say.
May all our abhyasis open up to a reality that some still reject. That does not matter; we are moving and acting for the good of all, for the awakening of understanding in our Mission. This Mission is the way of the future, wherein its expansion will be very important. We must move forward and not stagnate in erroneous beliefs that do not prepare human beings to face what lies ahead.”
("ERRONEOUS beliefs", like Spiritualism??)
This speaks for itself!
A bad book of science fiction, with no revelation ... Life could also exist elsewhere and could be more advanced. Yep! Is this possible? Nobody had ever thought, so go tell ...
Man threatens the overall balance. Same old refrain from the "Whispers"! Except that one wonders how, since man is far from being the most advanced form of life. It's one or the other, one must choose ...
This is serious, says Babuji, but "whatever" (it does not matter?) he says a little further ...
Alexis
.
.
Comment by 4d-Don: This is an example of the "contradictory" and cryptic messages which generally come from such Spiritualist Groups!! (not Spirituality as in Raja Yoga, but spiritualism, as in Messages from the "spirits", channeled by a Medium ... Don't blindly believe this SCAM ... Ask for "Proof" from the Anonymous French Lady Medium (AFLM)!! Is this "really" from Babuji?? At Sahaj Marg(tm), you follow a MEDIUM and Mediums claim to act as "channels" for many "SPIRITS" ( spirits or "beings of light", egregores, etc..., so as to make more money or gain more power over others) !!
September 9, 2013
Life beyond Earth
Chari had demanded the release of this message of 6 December 2012, from Babuji's Brighter World.
« What are we – a breath, a nothing, and nothing more. This quote is very true; it summarizes the situation perfectly. Compared to eternity, man is a mere element of very low importance and yet he exists for reasons which cannot be explained herein. This whole whirlwind of life characterizes this world. Life on Earth is unique ; each planet has its own form of life, which be revealed in the future. Man is not currently ready to receive this teaching. Beings who are much more evolved live elsewhere and carefully observe this world, concerned by the turbulence induced by humans with regard to the general equilibrium.
It will take a long time for this truth to be accepted. Man is not unique and certainly not the most advanced. As the saying goes, some things are better left unsaid; we are venturing herein into an unusual area. The writing process we are using here with these messages is not accepted by all, and yet all the spiritual Masters of the past have used it, which is still little known today. Regardless, to not advance in the understanding of phenomena is harmful to humans. We have no magic wand ; time does its work, they say.
May all our abhyasis open up to a reality that some still reject. That does not matter; we are moving and acting for the good of all, for the awakening of understanding in our Mission. This Mission is the way of the future, wherein its expansion will be very important. We must move forward and not stagnate in erroneous beliefs that do not prepare human beings to face what lies ahead.”
("ERRONEOUS beliefs", like Spiritualism??)
This speaks for itself!
A bad book of science fiction, with no revelation ... Life could also exist elsewhere and could be more advanced. Yep! Is this possible? Nobody had ever thought, so go tell ...
Man threatens the overall balance. Same old refrain from the "Whispers"! Except that one wonders how, since man is far from being the most advanced form of life. It's one or the other, one must choose ...
This is serious, says Babuji, but "whatever" (it does not matter?) he says a little further ...
Alexis
.
.
Wednesday, September 04, 2013
Testimonial of Ex-Sahaj Marg(tm) Disciple
Taken and translated from an article: "Témoignage: Patricia a dit:", on Elodie's blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg
Here is the testimonial left by Patricia on Alexis' blog this summer and comments by two as-indignant anonymous posters.
Hello.
It has been several years since I left Sahaj Marg after 5 years of practice, more and less devoted (travel to India, marriage ... by the Master).
Today I am happy and free, but I feel a duty to post this small testimonial. What saved me was my 'self control'. I had trouble abandoning myself as a general rule. I could not be 'absorbed' in
the sittings and I saw what was happening around.
I saw these people (most of the time women) who seemed to be completely lost, and that, after many years of practice! The motto of the meditation is still to open the conscience. I saw just the opposite! And it scared me, I did not want to later become like them! I saw around me some real zombies ...
Second thing that scared me: meditation on the heart. The heart is a fragile organ, and it is not good to 'work' directly on it. (In general, the pericardium is used to act on the heart). After a few months of diligent practice I started having chest pains. We were told: those are the samskaras (dirt) coming out, one must continue. But the pain persisted. Long after the final ending of the meditation on the heart, the pain remained as a bad memory.
For me, Sahaj Marg is dangerous for those who are frail, not very stable and alone! It creates a Utopia of a life in a large loving family with the benevolence of the guru, a safe and carefree life.
The Master demands sacrifice for 'the Mission' in counter-part but this is nothing compared to what he gives us ... I wonder how I could have been blind for a good 5 years. With some luck, I came out of it(!) Without much impact.
P.S. I just add that my marriage by the Master was a complete fiasco much as many couples, married in euphoric crowds in India but who have no future outside of this Utopia.
Anonymous said ...
my sister fell into this (and has been in it) for 10 years. She is withering, becoming extinct, has renounced all femininity and just left for the ashram in Denmark. She said, "I go to work for them." She is subject to them mentallly and physically. What to do?
Anonymous said ...
Hello Patricia,
Thank you for your comment.
Could you give me your email address because I want to get a friend out of this organization. She has become a real zombie as you say and many of us are very concerned about it.
I would like very much to be able to discuss with you.
Here is the testimonial left by Patricia on Alexis' blog this summer and comments by two as-indignant anonymous posters.
Hello.
It has been several years since I left Sahaj Marg after 5 years of practice, more and less devoted (travel to India, marriage ... by the Master).
Today I am happy and free, but I feel a duty to post this small testimonial. What saved me was my 'self control'. I had trouble abandoning myself as a general rule. I could not be 'absorbed' in
the sittings and I saw what was happening around.
I saw these people (most of the time women) who seemed to be completely lost, and that, after many years of practice! The motto of the meditation is still to open the conscience. I saw just the opposite! And it scared me, I did not want to later become like them! I saw around me some real zombies ...
Second thing that scared me: meditation on the heart. The heart is a fragile organ, and it is not good to 'work' directly on it. (In general, the pericardium is used to act on the heart). After a few months of diligent practice I started having chest pains. We were told: those are the samskaras (dirt) coming out, one must continue. But the pain persisted. Long after the final ending of the meditation on the heart, the pain remained as a bad memory.
For me, Sahaj Marg is dangerous for those who are frail, not very stable and alone! It creates a Utopia of a life in a large loving family with the benevolence of the guru, a safe and carefree life.
The Master demands sacrifice for 'the Mission' in counter-part but this is nothing compared to what he gives us ... I wonder how I could have been blind for a good 5 years. With some luck, I came out of it(!) Without much impact.
P.S. I just add that my marriage by the Master was a complete fiasco much as many couples, married in euphoric crowds in India but who have no future outside of this Utopia.
Anonymous said ...
my sister fell into this (and has been in it) for 10 years. She is withering, becoming extinct, has renounced all femininity and just left for the ashram in Denmark. She said, "I go to work for them." She is subject to them mentallly and physically. What to do?
Anonymous said ...
Hello Patricia,
Thank you for your comment.
Could you give me your email address because I want to get a friend out of this organization. She has become a real zombie as you say and many of us are very concerned about it.
I would like very much to be able to discuss with you.
Subscribe to:
Posts (Atom)