Taken from Sportlight at Society for Babuji's Mission, part 37 and exerpt of part 38.
4d-Don's Comment: If Babuji is not sending the messages (Whispers) to the Anonymous French Lady Medium, who is then compiling Whispers From The Brighter World, then who (or what spirit) are the spiritualist channeled messages (Whispers) coming from? Is the Medium making it all up? What are the abhyasis paying for? An "opulent" book (to quote Chari)?
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Haqeeqat Benakaab (Reality without covering)
High Level Talks during Rev. Babuji’s times and after His Mahasamadhi
Part – 37
Shubh Chintak Kishore and Sharad Chandra
There were quite a few people highly rumoured to be in Central Region even in Rev. Babuji’s times. Talks of this nature multiplied after His mahasamadhi. So many people started talking of having met Him, saw Him in dreams, having messages from Him, getting long inspirations from Him covering pages, continous flow of inspirations from Him in praise of worthless self style living master (as if He has no other work except praising the worthless self style living master), etc.
True meaning of Living Master is who is ever living and presence can be felt by sincere devotees. But his members (slaves) would not understand this meaning, they will only understand the meaning given to them for Living Master.
Parthasarthi, who admittedly has no power of inter-commune with his Master – Rev. Babuji, still gave messages to his innocent members (slaves- whose quality is that they do not apply their mind but think that what their master says and does is the best) like living master saying ‘discussed with Master’, ‘got Master’s consent’, ‘Master appreciated my view’, etc. etc.
Finding that such things were on increase, I, Sharad asked Rev. Babuji Maharaj’s clarification in this matter on 10th March 2013 at 3.40 a.m. (IST).
Sharad : “Many people claim that Rev. Babuji come in their dream”
Rev. Babuji : Mukt atmaiyen kabhi khwabon mein nahi aatin. Jab Kabhi aisi hastiyan kuch chuninda logon ko rahnumai karna chahti hain to dil mein prerana deiti hain aur us ko anjam deney key liye halat paida karti hain
(Liberated souls never appear in dreams. Whenever such personalities wish to guide selected people, they provide inspirations in their heart and create circumstances for implementation).
II.
Sharad : “ Means, persons appearing in dreams are not liberated”
Rev. Babuji : Jara see deir key baad boley “han”
(After a little pause, said “Yes”)
In our opinion, people should bring this important and little known clarification to the knowledge of others to save them from unfounded gossips.
Delhi/Shahjahanpur
11th March 2013 Amen
www.societyforbabujismission.org.in
Exerpt from Part 38:
"Those claiming as having seen Rev. Babuji Maharaj in dreams and telling others, are actually misleading them and are propagating to prove how close they were with Him and still continue to be so."
Shahjahanpur/Delhi
Date: 14th March 2013
sckishore@gmail.com
www.societyforbabujismission.org.in.
Tuesday, March 19, 2013
Monday, March 18, 2013
At Sahaj Marg(tm) of Chari, Donations Buy Privilege!!
Translation of a comment by researcher, Alexis, on Élodie's blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg
See here:
http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=20689467&postID=7563240357640853934
Alexis said ...
After donating more than 10 million U.S. dollars to the SRCM and SMSF between 1999 and 2010 via his Lachimi Foundation, Madhava Reddy made a new donation of $ 1.85 million in 2011. (See FCRA (Foreign Contributions Regulatory Act) of Indian Government with link to donors and donations.)
The main overseas donor, Reddy, an Indo-American, president and founder of the start-up HTC Global Services, (which is SRCM's Management Group) is not ready to be dethroned and deserves his second home inside the Babuji Memorial Ashram as granted by Chari.
The abolition of privileges is not for tomorrow in the real world as in the spiritual way of the SRCM (California-1997) of Chari! Especially when privileges are bought at such an expensive price ...
Bill Gates (see below for exerpt of Chari's "moral degradation" speech) knows what he has to do if he wants to put an end to the criticism of Chari; he (Bill Gates) may even win the right to open a house for AIDS patients at the BMA (Babuji Memorial Ashram) sponsored by Chari!
But we all know, that Chari does not like money nor is he above what it brings and gives ...
Sunday, March 17, 2013
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See also:
Sahaj Marg(tm), Moral Degradation, and the UNDPI
Let's Talk Money
Spiritualist Chari, (bad-mouther of Religion) and The enemy of Spirituality
See here:
http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=20689467&postID=7563240357640853934
Alexis said ...
After donating more than 10 million U.S. dollars to the SRCM and SMSF between 1999 and 2010 via his Lachimi Foundation, Madhava Reddy made a new donation of $ 1.85 million in 2011. (See FCRA (Foreign Contributions Regulatory Act) of Indian Government with link to donors and donations.)
The main overseas donor, Reddy, an Indo-American, president and founder of the start-up HTC Global Services, (which is SRCM's Management Group) is not ready to be dethroned and deserves his second home inside the Babuji Memorial Ashram as granted by Chari.
The abolition of privileges is not for tomorrow in the real world as in the spiritual way of the SRCM (California-1997) of Chari! Especially when privileges are bought at such an expensive price ...
Bill Gates (see below for exerpt of Chari's "moral degradation" speech) knows what he has to do if he wants to put an end to the criticism of Chari; he (Bill Gates) may even win the right to open a house for AIDS patients at the BMA (Babuji Memorial Ashram) sponsored by Chari!
But we all know, that Chari does not like money nor is he above what it brings and gives ...
Sunday, March 17, 2013
.
.
See also:
Sahaj Marg(tm), Moral Degradation, and the UNDPI
Let's Talk Money
Spiritualist Chari, (bad-mouther of Religion) and The enemy of Spirituality
Monday, March 11, 2013
Sahaj Marg, India and the Indians
Translation of an article by Alexis: "Sahaj Marg, Inde et Indiens" on Élodie's blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg.
March 11, 2013
Sahaj Marg, India and the Indians
Alexis text:
Diaspora: Overseas Indians
Historically, in the late 60s and early 70s, when the Shri Ram Chandra Mission overflowed its borders and spread beyond India, it has flourished mainly in the Malay Peninsula and the Horn of South Africa, the regions of ancient Indian settlement with the first wave of emigration of the 19th century: the recruitment of cheap labor following the abolition of slavery in the British Empire 1833-1834.
Alexis
Diaspora: Overseas Indians
What is the seductive power of the SRCM outside the public of Indian origin?
India has 93% of the supporters of Sahaj Marg, 82% of its contributors, 68% of the regular churchgoers and 55% of the preceptors.
On the financial side, India has 67% of the turnover of the SRCM of Chari, 62% of
the assets, excluding real estate, but it has also the majority of the real estate.
India has about a thousand centers versus 102 meditation centers overseas, it also has 140-200 ashrams versus 17 overseas missions, and it still has
two training centers (CREST), two retreat centers, a school (LMOIS) and
the global headquarters of the Mission (BMA).
What then remains of the Mission abroad? Not much!
Europe and North America especially in the U.S., a little in the Middle East
and the Malay Peninsula, the horn of South African with Madagascar and
Mauritius, and three times nothing in Oceania
Six countries of the Indian diaspora had more than one million citizens
of Indian origin in 2002: Burma, the USA, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, the
United Kingdom and South Africa.
Two thirds of the global Indian diaspora is concentrated in the
following areas: 5,000,000 in Peninsular Malaysia, 3 to 4 million in the
Middle East, 2 million in the horn of South African, almost as many in the
U.S., and more than one million in the United Kingdom.
Strange parallelism between numbers of overseas Indian diaspora and the SRCM ...
Let's dig a little more, shall we?:
Historically, in the late 60s and early 70s, when the Shri Ram Chandra Mission overflowed its borders and spread beyond India, it has flourished mainly in the Malay Peninsula and the Horn of South Africa, the regions of ancient Indian settlement with the first wave of emigration of the 19th century: the recruitment of cheap labor following the abolition of slavery in the British Empire 1833-1834.
The second wave of migration occurred much later, after the independence, in the second half of the 20th century.
It involved more qualified Indians heading for developed countries, it is
the generation of Chari, who was exiled for some time in the former Yugoslavia. The third wave began in the mid-70s, with the shock and the boom of the oil industry, to Gulf countries seeking unskilled temporary workers.
The fourth and final wave began in the 90s with globalization, the
opening up of the Indian economy and the potential of destination markets.
It is therefore no coincidence that Sahaj marg proliferates first in Malaysia, Mauritius or South Africa. The ashram of Lenasia is one of the oldest ashrams abroad, for example. Dubai, and in the other Gulf countries, (Sahaj Marg) proliferates much later ...
Babuji and Chari make their first trip to the United States in 1972. In the mid 80s, Chari complains that the number of abhyasis has not progressed. In 2003, he requests that the Indo-Americans make a little room for Native Americans in the Mission ...
Between the two, the Indo-American population consists of the fourth
wave of emigration: the USA has 800,000 citizens of Indian origins in
1990, 1,700,000 in 2000 and 2,300,000 in 2005! Meanwhile, SRCM is growing: in 1995, already 50% of the preceptors are of Indian origin. In 2007, two-thirds of new preceptors are also. And Chari is rightly concerned about the fate of the Native Americans ...
In the top 50 of the largest overseas donors to the Shri Ram Chandra Mission in
India, 34 are of Indian origin, specifically 31 are Indo-American. The first three of them contributed more than half of the donations.
Most are at the head of start-ups in the computer hardware or software, or in the production of generic drugs. The Patels of Gujarat hold nearly half of the American (hotels, motels, etc. ) hospitality industry.
We thus find all the new Indian middle class, on average more qualified,
more industrious and better paid than the Native Americans, but also a
generation of expatriates, uprooted and torn between their origins and
modernity.
The vast majority of the world abhyasis are Indian or of Indian origin.
It seems that it is not a coincidence that the SRCM grows mainly in
the areas of Indian immigration, it is all but impossible to really grow
elsewhere.
Chari was the first man of the diaspora of Sahaj marg! It is not a coincidence that his successor, Kamlesh Patel, is Indo-American ...
But I hear you grumble. And Europe then? He forgets Europe! He says anything ...
Yes, Europe is the exception.
Only England is a place of strong immigration from India, other
countries have a smaller Indian population, yet the Mission has developed
there.
Certainly, this is true for France and Denmark, just as in Switzerland and Germany, but that's about it. Elsewhere, the numbers are much reduced and/or progress very little or they even stagnate or regress ...
In brief, apart from a handful of "illuminated", Sahaj Marg never
conquered any population but the Indians ... and at the height of paradox, the French and Danes.
Their power of seduction - that of SRCM, Sahaj Marg and / or Chari - is confined to the Indians, it is also pretty pathetic. But Chari has managed to seduce the (some) Danes and the (some) French ...
Alexis
Saturday, March 02, 2013
Comments to Two of Chari's Speech! (Sahaj Marg(tm)
Taken from an article: "Extraits Commentés de Deux Discours de Chari", by Elodie's on her blog: "Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg" .
“We have been receiving many messages from my Master over the past five or six months. (...)
The messages of my Master are very curt and quite brief. Those of you who have been reading the four volumes that we have already published, containing Whispers, know that some of them are as brief as two or three lines, and one wonders in what language he spoke to the person who received the message. Because, if we have the ability to receive the messages direct, it is an astonishing fact that each one of you will receive the message in your own language (...).
When you speak in a language which is no-language, in a voice that is not heard but perceived in the heart – if you are able to receive this, you are quite on the way to spiritual life leading to spiritual transformation, to the highest extents that are open to human beings. In other words, a message is a transmission.
4d-don Comment: Oh! My GOD!! "a no-language", and messages which no one understands but is received in the emotional heart?? BEWARE of BRAINWASHING!! Sahaj Marg(tm) abhyasis are being made "dense", by imagining "light" in meditation, as if LIGHT was GOD, but which in REALITY is simply equivalent to matter, according to Einstein's E=mc2.
Now we apparently all "transmit" to one another as we send a "message" ... So much for the "uniqueness" of Sahaj Marg(tm)'s TRANSMISSION !! Stay in your own family and your own culture and simply BE !! ONE is not only LIGHT. ONE is Everything, Everywhere, and Everywhen!!
Babuji's transmission of "whispers" messages to Chari, although being so short, and yet they can not work without the medium. Chari claims to transmit Babuji's divine energy to the abhyasis during meditation, but he is unable to receive these messages directly from Babuji, he does not perceive in his heart the spiritual voice of Babuji.
Would the language of the heart be incomprehensible to Chari, the man of business language and power? Has the medium gone further than Chari on the path toward spiritual life?
(...) For instance, there was this business of the Mayan Calendar: the world is going to end on a particular day just because a calendar stopped somewhere in an ancient culture thousands of years old. I have been receiving letters from abhyasis – good abhyasis – asking how much water they should store, how much food they should buy and store, how they should prepare themselves for the calamity. (...)
We have to protect our heart from both the ravages of the physical world and from the world of the senses, much more. And today we have to insulate ourselves from what we now know to be lies given to us by religion. It doesn't matter what religion – any religion. Because, though they may have appeared profound when they were created, and though the creator of the religion was a pure man with pure intentions, a pure teaching, it passed through the soiled hands of a priesthood, and the result is corruption at the deepest level – the spiritual level. Therefore, our Babuji Maharaj has always said, in spirituality we don't destroy religion, we transcend religion. We don't cease to have an affair with the heart, but it is now turned towards a true lover. Who is your lover? My lover is the Divine. (...)
There is only one relationship and that is with him [Master] and through him with the Divine.
Once more, Chari goes after religion. As pure as its creator and its teaching once were, they (religions) have been plagued by the corruption of their successors and the hierarchy they put in place. Obviously, spirituality transcends religion and avoids this pitfall, but succumbs when the guru gives his place to his successor.
Chari said he has only a relationship with the Master and with the Divine through him, his lover is the Divine.
Common sense knows well that a true lover's relationship has only two partners: it is better then to avoid loving the Divine through a Master, and to love IT directly. Samskara or simply common sense?
So it is a strange fact that these messages, the whispers from above, what I have called as whispers from the brighter world, can be understood by anybody who has the ability to receive it direct in his heart, because then no language is necessary. The person who receives the message cannot tell you how it was received. It was not audible. It was not sense-ible. Then what? Such a person can only say, "I perceived it and wrote it down in my own language because that is the only language I can receive it in." (...)
The Whispers from the Brighter World are allegedly not in any language because they are received in the heart. At least this is the case with the medium who expresses them in French to then translate them to English for a Chari who did not understand them previously. (in French)
Babuji Maharaj, in one of his recent messages, says that the development of the people in the Mission is important because not only will it affect the people of this world, but it will have its effect on other worlds, too. Imagine! Silly fools like us – irreverent, sinful; we come here, and what do we find? That the simple act of sitting in obedience to him, meditating, affects not only this world, the whole world, but other worlds, too. (...)
So this meditation has importance which you cannot imagine, because in one of his books Babuji says, "This world, among all the created worlds, is the most important because it has direct connection to the Centre" – nowhere else. In all the other worlds, whatever they may be, however intellectual, however powerful, however advanced (in the terms that we people understand advancement – may be more inventions, more manufacture, things like that) they are all not connected directly to the Centre but through something else. This world has the good fortune to be connected directly to the Centre. (...)”
The abhyasis of Sahaj Marg must play an important role in the future of humanity, but Chari teaches us that in addition to saving this world, our world, they save all of the other worlds. Imagine! Are they not wonderful?
This time it is our beloved planet Earth which is better connected to the Centre than all the other worlds combined. Shri Ram Chandra Mission still holds the best seats in the house (theatre?), is it not surprising?
Always Be Loving
“(...) Ego is the most troublesome and almost impossible barrier to overcome on our spiritual path.
The Whispers, which are coming now for the last four or five months every day, give us not only the wisdom of the great Masters above [clap of thunder], but also shows the sense of urgency that they feel for us. Again and again the message says: Human life is an uncertain thing. Don’t waste your time in flippant activities seeking pleasure, comfort. Spend every moment of it in the spiritual way – not by sitting in meditation for twenty-four hours, but in constant remembrance.
(...) Worse than this physical, shall I say, intoxication with the pleasures of life, is the ego, because the ego rules us. It is the ego which makes a man assert and be assertive.
(...) Please read Whispers carefully. Many people know, even Babuji Maharaj repeats, that good things must be repeated again and again, because we tend to forget. (...)”
The whispers are allegedly short and repetitive messages transmitted by Babuji to tell us how human life is an uncertain thing. Let us not waste our very precious time on our ego, it is urgent to focus on the spiritual life.
Better to give up on our individuality than to a spirituality of spiritualist origin, they say. To each his/her priorities.
Chari
Comments by Elodie
Comment by 4d-Don
March 2, 2013
Comments to Two of Chari's Speeches (Feb. 2, 2013)
Perceiving the Essence of the Whispers
Celebration of the 140th Birth Anniversary of Lalaji Maharaj (2/02/2013)
“We have been receiving many messages from my Master over the past five or six months. (...)
The messages of my Master are very curt and quite brief. Those of you who have been reading the four volumes that we have already published, containing Whispers, know that some of them are as brief as two or three lines, and one wonders in what language he spoke to the person who received the message. Because, if we have the ability to receive the messages direct, it is an astonishing fact that each one of you will receive the message in your own language (...).
When you speak in a language which is no-language, in a voice that is not heard but perceived in the heart – if you are able to receive this, you are quite on the way to spiritual life leading to spiritual transformation, to the highest extents that are open to human beings. In other words, a message is a transmission.
4d-don Comment: Oh! My GOD!! "a no-language", and messages which no one understands but is received in the emotional heart?? BEWARE of BRAINWASHING!! Sahaj Marg(tm) abhyasis are being made "dense", by imagining "light" in meditation, as if LIGHT was GOD, but which in REALITY is simply equivalent to matter, according to Einstein's E=mc2.
Now we apparently all "transmit" to one another as we send a "message" ... So much for the "uniqueness" of Sahaj Marg(tm)'s TRANSMISSION !! Stay in your own family and your own culture and simply BE !! ONE is not only LIGHT. ONE is Everything, Everywhere, and Everywhen!!
Babuji's transmission of "whispers" messages to Chari, although being so short, and yet they can not work without the medium. Chari claims to transmit Babuji's divine energy to the abhyasis during meditation, but he is unable to receive these messages directly from Babuji, he does not perceive in his heart the spiritual voice of Babuji.
Would the language of the heart be incomprehensible to Chari, the man of business language and power? Has the medium gone further than Chari on the path toward spiritual life?
(...) For instance, there was this business of the Mayan Calendar: the world is going to end on a particular day just because a calendar stopped somewhere in an ancient culture thousands of years old. I have been receiving letters from abhyasis – good abhyasis – asking how much water they should store, how much food they should buy and store, how they should prepare themselves for the calamity. (...)
Some good abhyasis have believed in the Mayan prophecy to the point of asking Chari what amounts of food and water they had to buy and store; how they should prepare for the impending disaster.
We can only conclude that the abhyasis are not any smarter than the rest, we can but wonder at the reasons that led them to call Chari about this: would whispers not have made them ultra-sensitive to disasters and to the end of the world?
We can only conclude that the abhyasis are not any smarter than the rest, we can but wonder at the reasons that led them to call Chari about this: would whispers not have made them ultra-sensitive to disasters and to the end of the world?
It would be most interesting to know Chari's answer: a very great silence, for example?
We have to protect our heart from both the ravages of the physical world and from the world of the senses, much more. And today we have to insulate ourselves from what we now know to be lies given to us by religion. It doesn't matter what religion – any religion. Because, though they may have appeared profound when they were created, and though the creator of the religion was a pure man with pure intentions, a pure teaching, it passed through the soiled hands of a priesthood, and the result is corruption at the deepest level – the spiritual level. Therefore, our Babuji Maharaj has always said, in spirituality we don't destroy religion, we transcend religion. We don't cease to have an affair with the heart, but it is now turned towards a true lover. Who is your lover? My lover is the Divine. (...)
There is only one relationship and that is with him [Master] and through him with the Divine.
Once more, Chari goes after religion. As pure as its creator and its teaching once were, they (religions) have been plagued by the corruption of their successors and the hierarchy they put in place. Obviously, spirituality transcends religion and avoids this pitfall, but succumbs when the guru gives his place to his successor.
Chari said he has only a relationship with the Master and with the Divine through him, his lover is the Divine.
Common sense knows well that a true lover's relationship has only two partners: it is better then to avoid loving the Divine through a Master, and to love IT directly. Samskara or simply common sense?
So it is a strange fact that these messages, the whispers from above, what I have called as whispers from the brighter world, can be understood by anybody who has the ability to receive it direct in his heart, because then no language is necessary. The person who receives the message cannot tell you how it was received. It was not audible. It was not sense-ible. Then what? Such a person can only say, "I perceived it and wrote it down in my own language because that is the only language I can receive it in." (...)
The Whispers from the Brighter World are allegedly not in any language because they are received in the heart. At least this is the case with the medium who expresses them in French to then translate them to English for a Chari who did not understand them previously. (in French)
Babuji Maharaj, in one of his recent messages, says that the development of the people in the Mission is important because not only will it affect the people of this world, but it will have its effect on other worlds, too. Imagine! Silly fools like us – irreverent, sinful; we come here, and what do we find? That the simple act of sitting in obedience to him, meditating, affects not only this world, the whole world, but other worlds, too. (...)
So this meditation has importance which you cannot imagine, because in one of his books Babuji says, "This world, among all the created worlds, is the most important because it has direct connection to the Centre" – nowhere else. In all the other worlds, whatever they may be, however intellectual, however powerful, however advanced (in the terms that we people understand advancement – may be more inventions, more manufacture, things like that) they are all not connected directly to the Centre but through something else. This world has the good fortune to be connected directly to the Centre. (...)”
The abhyasis of Sahaj Marg must play an important role in the future of humanity, but Chari teaches us that in addition to saving this world, our world, they save all of the other worlds. Imagine! Are they not wonderful?
This time it is our beloved planet Earth which is better connected to the Centre than all the other worlds combined. Shri Ram Chandra Mission still holds the best seats in the house (theatre?), is it not surprising?
Always Be Loving
Address on Basant Panchami, 15 February 2013, Manapakkam, Chennai
“(...) Ego is the most troublesome and almost impossible barrier to overcome on our spiritual path.
The Whispers, which are coming now for the last four or five months every day, give us not only the wisdom of the great Masters above [clap of thunder], but also shows the sense of urgency that they feel for us. Again and again the message says: Human life is an uncertain thing. Don’t waste your time in flippant activities seeking pleasure, comfort. Spend every moment of it in the spiritual way – not by sitting in meditation for twenty-four hours, but in constant remembrance.
(...) Worse than this physical, shall I say, intoxication with the pleasures of life, is the ego, because the ego rules us. It is the ego which makes a man assert and be assertive.
(...) Please read Whispers carefully. Many people know, even Babuji Maharaj repeats, that good things must be repeated again and again, because we tend to forget. (...)”
The whispers are allegedly short and repetitive messages transmitted by Babuji to tell us how human life is an uncertain thing. Let us not waste our very precious time on our ego, it is urgent to focus on the spiritual life.
Better to give up on our individuality than to a spirituality of spiritualist origin, they say. To each his/her priorities.
Chari
Comment by 4d-Don
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