Sahaj Marg(tm) and Whispers: What Will Tomorrow Bring?

Taken and Translated from a comment by Alexis on Elodie's blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg.

Inserts and additions by 4d-don are in "red italics"


The aliens are back!! The aliens are back!!

Same old FEAR and TEMPTATION mechanism used by religions since the beginning of recorded historical or mythic time, and by its "priests", their prophets and Mediums: the story-tellers, the word-charmers, the inventors and merchants of the opiates of fantasies.

Since man witnessed forces in Nature, (s)he mystified and pesonified them, naming them gods, demons, spirits, egregores, etc... and then finally, a monotheistic "GOD" and ITS negative counter-part, the "DEVIL", the personification of "evil" ... Most religions are not "mono" at all, but are in reality, dualities ... not UNITY or ONE !!

Sahaj Marg(tm) is not very unique at all ... just another dual religion with aliens, spirits, heaven (brighter world), and a hell of "re-incarnations" ...

...surrounded by "THEM", the eternally divisive and warring religious flakes and fluff!! "By their fruit, one will know them!"




What Will Tomorrow Bring?

Whispers: decryption (4)

Mankind races to its ruin, divine punishment comes, it will be the Apocalypse. But a new breed supported by the SRCM emerges and will save the world ...

About, "... of what will tomorrow be made?" The Sahaj Marg (tm) answer is:
(Quotes from Whispers From the Brighter World, as channeled by an anonymous French Lady Medium)

"A new cycle begins with this century, which will mark humanity. After much turmoil, the darkness will give way to light for many. We are all working here to set up structures to suit the distant future, but that is already being written in letters of gold. " (21.12.2000) -

" The history of the earth is very old and very rich. It (she?) has known advanced civilizations. Aliens (extraterrestrials), as you call them, came to implement exploration sites and build interplanetary relays. Some still exist, although they don't have their origianl usefulness any more. The pyramids are among them. (...) A very important invasion will occur (...). These beings will bring tremendous expertise that will leave stupefied the poor earthlings, with their great ideas on everything, which are, in large part, false or null. These beings come to protect the universal balance from the actions of men and from the huge risks they take with their so-called progress, alarming for several reasons. " (4/3/01) -

" A new world and one completely different from what you currently live, will exist in future centuries. (...) A new world is being prepared. You cannot imagine. It is out of the range of your understanding. (...) If there are some vestiges left of your civilization, perhaps it will be studied with curiosity. This is so since the beginning of time. Everything evolves and renews itself. " (11/03/01) -

" It's a vicious cycle that will never end and will, sooner or later be stopped by a power foreign to this planet which will have no other means to stop this dangerous escalation, harmful to the universal equilibrium. The lower instincts of human nature are difficult to counter. The strong method (heavy-handed method?) will have to be imposed one day (...). " (13/09/01) -

" Upheavals without name must occur so as to clean up this world, a long enough time, leaving finally emerge the chosen race, capable of establishing a new world corresponding to the expected standards. " (10/11/03) -

" Let us work for this evolution, time is running out, humanity is in danger in many ways. What emerges from this cesspool will be strengthened and enlightened. " (07/01/04)


Let us Summarize!

We must clean up this world, what emerges from the sesspool will be strengthened and enlightened. The darkness will give way to light. After a long enough time will finally emerge the chosen race: a very large invasion will occur, a power foreign to this world, what you call aliens (extraterrestrials?) , will bring tremendous expertise to protect the universal balance and will make a new world, completely different and out of reach for your understanding.

The aliens are back!

W e had forgotten them a little, lost sight of them. But the Babuji from Whispers says much about an invasion of aliens, a power foreign to this world is going to happen.

But then, what about the chosen generation, our "indigo children"? Are these the aliens about which he speaks? Are we already invaded by little green men? Could these invaders be our own children indigo? Or are they collaborators of our invaders? Is this the beginning of the war of the worlds?

It swims rapidly into science fiction ...

For the record (anecdote?), we note in passing that the pyramids have become relics of (some) interplanetary relay. The pharaohs were then aliens? The Egyptians who built their tombs, were they equally little green men?

Beyond the immense qualities already mentioned by the medium of Whispers, let us add that she is totally ignorant (according to her own "messages") ...

The New World

The New World which promises Whispers will be completely different. It will be cleaned, strengthened and enlightened. It will match the standards set, and will be a new structure that is emerging in letters of gold, out of the reach of our understanding. It will protect the universal balance, with a prodigious knowledge.

It's a little light (fluffy? flakey?) ! The imagination of our dear medium leaves a lot to be desired. She is never as good as when it comes to criticizing our world of today. But when it comes to speaking of the future world, it is the minimum service: it will be different, incomprehensible ... but it will correspond to "set standards". Phew, we are assured! But what are these standards? Mystery ...

Our uncultivated medium definitely does not have much imagination ...


Alexis

Saturday, December 3, 2011

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See also:

Sahaj Marg(tm) and Whispers: A new RACE!!
Sahaj Marg(tm) and Whispers: Decryption
Whispers, the New Ideology of Sahaj Marg(tm)
At Sahaj Marg, You Children Belong to the Mission
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This Year at Sahaj Marg (tm) - and SRCM (California-1997) - 2010

Heres is an INDEX (with links to articles) of Major Topics on this Blog in 2010:




Racism by Founder (Babuji) and his Secretary(Chari), current self-appointed Guru of Sahaj Marg(tm) and the Shri Ram Chandra Mission (SRCM-California-1997):

Frank, ex zonal-in-charge for the SRCM (California-1997) Netherlands, exposes some letters between the Founder (Babuji) and his Secretary (Chari), published by SRCM, discussing the "skin complexion", "cut", "height" of female candidates, as they try and find a wife for Babuji's son, Umesh (now deceased ... allegedly by poison?). Chari is the current President of SRCM (California-1997) which he registered in San Luis Obispo, California, USA after he was denied the Presidency of SRCM (Shahjahanpur-1945) by its Board of Directors)


Articles:
Babuji, Sahaj Marg and "skin complexion"! Colour Discrimination?
Racism at Sahaj Marg(tm)! The Two Faces of Religion!
Blatant Colour (racism?) and Sexual Orientation Discrimination at Sahaj Marg(tm), and SRCM (California-1997), a Member of UN DPI



Homophobia by Chari, Self-titled Master of Sahaj Marg(tm) and SRCM (California-1997)
Chari in many speeches and in contravention of the request of Navanethem Pillay, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, as stated in an article in the Wahsington Post Oct. 23, 2010, shows his intolerance and "non-acceptance" as he attacks the homosexual (gays, lesbians and trans-gender) community, comparing it to "bestiality" (zoophilia).

From the Washington Post article by Ms. Pillay: ... Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu lent his support and spoke with passion about the lessons of apartheid and the challenge of securing equal rights for all. "Whenever one group of human beings is treated as inferior to another, hatred and intolerance will triumph," he said. It should not take hundreds more deaths and beatings to convince us of this truth. It is up to all of us to demand equality for all our fellow human beings, regardless of their sexual orientation or gender identity.

See the Washington Post article by Navanethem Pillay, UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, Oct. 23, 2010.

How We can Fight Back Against Homophobia


Articles on this Blog:
Sahaj Marg(tm) and Homosexuality
Mr. Chari of Sahaj Marg(tm)! Recall Your HOMOPHOBIC Speech!!
Chari-ty Creates a gay-bashing Egregore!


and:
From Sahaj Marg to Tantric "In-Home" Massages
Sahaj Marg(tm) Proselytism! Snake oil Salesladies in Massage Parlours




Chari accuses Bill Gates and the Catholic Pope of "moral degradation"!
In one of his speeches, Chari accuses Bill Gates of "moral degradation" because he donated some money to help those suffering from AIDS. He also accused the Pope of "moral degradation" because the Pope offered a "special prayer" for those suffering from AIDS. (Sahaj Marg(tm) has special prayers for Peace, poverty, etc...)

Articles:
Sahaj Marg(tm), Moral Degradation and the UN DPI
Sahaj Marg(tm)'s Ultimate Character!!




Sahaj Marg(tm) and the UN DPI
We have been accusing SRCM (California-1997) of opportunism in their relationship with UNDPI. This year, we saw that accusation confirmed in their Echoes Newsletter (North America... June, 2010) by an abhyasi: Shelly Gould Burgess.

Articles:
SRCM(California-1997) and the UN DPI Scam!
SRCM (California-1997) and the UNDPI- A Confession
Sahaj Marg(tm), Moral Degradation and the UN DPI



Sahaj Marg(tm), SRCM (California-1997) and SPIRITUALISM
This year, there has been an explosion of "spiritualism" at SRCM (California-1997) and it's method: Sahaj Marg(tm) (trade marked for trade and commerce). There was the Rose Saga, and the revelation that SRCM (California-1997) has "standards of spiritualism" in its own Constitution and Bye-Laws!! (not a typo: "Bye" as in "good-bye", as opposed to "hello" ... Is this what students of psycho-analysis call a "Freudian slip"? )

Articles:
Who is Sahaj Marg(tm)'s Medium #3? One little, Two little, Three little Mediums!!
At Sahaj Marg(tm), It's Now: Babuji vs Babuji!
Is Sahaj Marg(tm)'s Medium named Catherine, Cheryl (Chérie) Or ??
From the Constitution of SRCM (California-1997)
Spiritual(ist) Techniques (Magic?) used on Babuji??
Charge of Witchcraft in Canada! Spiritualist Sahaj Marg(tm) Next?
Has Sahaj Marg Become "Spiritual or Social Engineering"?
The Mediums of Sahaj Marg(tm) and the Apocalypse! (Between Dream, nightmare, and Reality)
A Whisper from the Spirit of Babuji of Sahaj Marg(tm)
A Prickly Story of Sahaj Marg (tm), by a Rose
Testimonial from Ex-fiancée of Abhyasi (Big Changes coming at SRCM(California-1997)
Rose's Testimonial Part 2! Sahaj Marg(tm) At Its Best!
Would the Real Sahaj Marg(tm) Medium Please Stand Up!!
SRCM (California-1997) Anonymous French Lady Medium Has a Name!
Who are the Sahaj Marg Trustees and Promoters of their "Spiritualism" in the UK?
Chari, Sahaj Marg(tm), Spiritualism and the New World Order!!
From Spiritualist Sahaj Mart(tm) to Bio-psycho Genealogy!
Sahaj Marg(tm)... Messages From the Dead! A Spiritualist Religion!
Elodie (Europe) Replies to Sahaj Marg(tm) and to Chari's Speech of April 30, 2010
Is Sahaj Marg(tm) Serving the "Beings of Light"? Lucifer?
Babuji's Teachings as per Kasturi Preceptor (Memory loss)



Ajay Kumar Bhatter Resigns as President-in-waiting of SRCM (California-1997)
Chari's hand-picked successor has resigned. Why? Was he Pushed or was he "revoked"??

Articles:
Ajay Kumar Bhatter Resigns as President-in-waiting of SRCM (California-1997)
Sahaj Marg (tm) God-man resigns! Look for World Peace Next!
Chari's SRCM (California-1997) and the Clash of the Sahaj Marg (tm) Titans!
Ajay Kumar Bhatter of Sahaj Marg(tm) has thrown in the towel!
Did Ajay Resign, Request A Revocation, Or Was He "Revoked"?



Sahaj Marg (tm) and Science Fiction

Chari, uses "Charity" dollars and stocks Sahaj Marg (tm) retreat libraries with Science Fiction novels, (Da Vinci Code (Dan Brown), Foundation Series (Asimov), etc... and promotes the movie, Inception (starring: Leonardo di Caprio)

Articles:
Sahaj Marg (tm) According to Hollywood and Master Leonardo!!
From Science Fiction to Sahaj Marg(tm)
Fantasies, "Religious Conspiracies" and Sahaj Marg(tm)



Sahaj Marg (tm) and Alternate Reality??
Micheal, ex-preceptor (USA), of Chari, explains the Alternate Reality created by "cults of Personalities", such as Sahaj Marg!

Article:
Description of Sahaj Marg (tm)'s Alternate Reality, by Ex-preceptor!!
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Who is Sahaj Marg's Medium #3? One Little, Two Little, Three Little Mediums!!

Is Sahaj Marg Spirituality or Spiritualism?

According to the SRCM (California-1997) Bye-Laws and Constitution (Section 11)
(not a typo: "Bye" as opposed to "Hello")


Improper and Evil Practices- Stoppage of

11. The mission will discourage and stop by legal and constitutional means (through persuations, writings, lectures, etc.) improper and evil practices or mistaken and wrongful ideas in the name of spirituality or in any way thwarting, degrading, suppressing, minimizing, or affecting the cause or standards of spiritualism of the Mission.

How many MEDIUMS does it take to adhere to Chari's "standards of spiritualism"?


Let's see ... Let's Recapitulate ...

There is Chari's "anonymous French Lady" Medium #1, who channels Lalaji, Babuji, Chari's Wife, Chari's Mother, the "beings of light", and "other elevated souls" in a fund-raising series of books which will be published for 12 years, called: Whispers from the Brighter World. Rumours abound about her name , "Cheryl" or "Chérie"? Chari claims that she is "not a professional". (see her "Whispers a Day" at: Sahaj Marg System of Raja Yoga Meditation. See also Chari's "An Invitation".

Then there is Rose's Medium #2, the not-so-anonymous Catherine Lauret, the Medium who is hanging around the SRCM (California-1997) Ashrams, and who convinced Rose's fiancée to break-off their engagement, and predicted some "apocalyptic" events for Rose and Europe (nuclear anhilation of England in a confict with China in 2010...SOON?). According to Rose, she apparently is living in India, in the same house with two "young men", who she has now made her preceptors. She apparently claims that she will be Chari's successor. She did accurately predict that A. K. Bhatter would not be Chari's successor.

And now, there is (anonymous) Erin's anonymous Medium #3, a alleged professional psychic Medium from England. This lady apparently has a "brilliant reputation" and allegedly has never had anything to do with Sahaj Marg or with Sahaj Marg(tm) of Chari. (see her "readings" at: Conversations With Ram Chandra (Babuji) of Sahaj Marg)

P.S. That site is now GONE !! (Nov. 11, 2010)


And amid all this, Babuji is supposed to be (they claim) in the "un-reachable" Central Region, and yet, he seems to be available to all these lowly MEDIUMS who keep contacting him daily?? All the while, the many MASTERS, Gurus, Avatars, Saviours, Messiahs, God-Men, etc... of all other faith-based systems (including Chari, the current Master of Sahaj Marg(tm)) can't seem to reach him and confess and admit that he is their: Special Personality, (a term and a position Ram Chandra (Babuji) made up) and then give up or foresake their current religions and become abhyasis of Chari or his son P.R. Krishna ??

What a dramatically busy and tedious fate the afterlife must be for some, to be so-called "LIBERATED", but tied to responding to every Medium, and respond to every prayer coming from the co-dependent entities of the Physical world!! The Brighter World of Sahaj Marg (tm), or the "Central Region" of that Brighter World is appapently not a very peaceful and LIBERATING place!!


To quote P.T. Barnum, (of circus fame):

"There is a new sucker born every minute!"

But:

You can fool some of the people some of the time
You can fool most of the people most of the time
But you can't fool all the people all of the time.


Where is Medium #4? Stay Tuned!!

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At Sahaj Marg(tm), It's Now: Babuji Vs Babuji

Taken and translated from an article: Babuji versus Babuji on Elodie's Blog: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg



November 9, 2010

Babuji Versus Babuji


Whispers And Babuji's New Avatars

Babuji died April 13, 1983. That being said, Chari and his or her medium(s) have resurrected his avatar to deliver the good word of Sahaj Marg.

Everything has been said about "Whispers", the murmurs of Babuji from beyond the grave as the business of the Brighter World which they generate. "THE new Bible or Veda of Sahaj Marg(tm)", Chari said. As if that was not enough.

Erin has taken up the challenge, she promises us another word, the last avatar of Babuji, before another one, soon? After all, why not, we are ever close to another hoax.


First Hoax: Sahaj Marg(tm) versus Sahaj Marg the historic channel


When the Avatar of Whispers contradicts Kasturi, Narayana or Varadachari

Example Whispers in the April 19, 2001 at 14:00 (Echoes of Africa published in October 2010, in article: Fears and Money), Babuji (allegedly) said:

"You can rest assured on this point also: all is clear and correct concerning the finances of the Mission. The Master does not use the contributions and the many gifts. They are invested in acquisitions ment to satisfy the abhyasis and in the maintenance of this property. (...) "

Sister Kasturi says otherwise. She reminds us that Babuji was opposed to donations and wanted to get rid of them in the Mission, but however, that is what happened. Cowardice and bad behavior come with money. She is opposed to the output of "Whispers" which she considers harmful, because they peddle an "incorrect" message.

That's what she said in her telephone interview with Shashwat of February 20, 2009 (transcript on 4d-don's Blog). For his part, KC Narayana recalls the words of his father, the famous Dr. KC Varadachari, which pointed to Babuji in the early seventies, the risk of physical and financial excesses of the Mission.


Another Hoax? Erin vs Catherine?


For whom does Erin roll-over? PR Krishna and Chari versus all the others?

So a new website: Conversations with Ram Chandra (Babuji) of Sahaj Marg http://conversationswithbabuji.blogspot.com/, which in turn promises extraordinary revelations. Babuji speaks to many medium(s) from the the "GREAT BEYOND". (or from the Central Region??)

Erin is (allegedly) an English lawyer, the Medium is a known professional and reputable.

She (Erin) is also the mother of Peter, boyfriend of a nice little abhyasi named Lucy. Curious, but without any bias for or against Sahaj Marg and the Shri Ram Chandra Mission (she says), she consulted the websites for and against the SRCM. Intrigued, she wanted to set her heart at ease. She then went for the first time in her life to consult a recognized psychic (who knew nothing about Sahaj Marg).

And Babuji spoke!

"Chari has done a lot of work, good work, and it is not about to stop. Kasturi is a saint, she is on track and did an excellent job, but it is not her job to lead the Mission. Disputes must stop. Many have gone astray. We must find unity. Ajay Kumar Bhatter abandoned his post for political reasons, intimidation and changing of path. Lauret Catherine is a good woman but she is driven by money and power, she made bad decisions. It is a man who will lead tomorrow and it will be PR Krishna. He is on the right track, on the right path. (This is a very personal summary of the remarks on her English blog)" (See Conversations With Ram Chandra (Babuji) of Sahaj Marg)

The hoax is not insulting to anyone, it is intelligent and it even hints at the truth. So for whom does Erin Roll-over?

The rest will come soon. The story is fun. But should it be taken seriously?

Elodie


See also:

A Whisper from the Spirit of Babuji of Sahaj Marg(tm)


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Babuji's Teachings as per Kasturi Preceptor!

This blog called Kasturiben has appeared on the Internet.

This site brings out a few, and as yet unknown "qualities" or side-effects of Sahaj Marg. You judge if these qualities should be classified as "gifts" or as liabilities (side effects). There is no indication whether this article called: Submission and Surrender is from Sister Kasturi (called by Babuji in one of his books: ... "the only saint of Sahaj Marg") or by someone else (the anonymous author of the blog?).

It is another indication that the "teachings" of Babuji are becoming really difficult to isolate and discuss. What does not come from Chari's anonymous French Medium and her channeled "Whispers From The Brighter World", who also channels the "beings of light", Chari's mother, Chari's wife, and other "elevated souls", now seems to come from many disenfranchised preceptors or leaders of the many schisms of the original Shri Ram Chandra Mission, registered by Babuji, the founder, in 1945. This "Whispers From the Brighter World", beside being a major fund-raiser for Chari's SRCM (California-1997) selling yearly (for the next 12 years??) for $150.00 U.S, is also called the "New Sahaj Marg Bible" or their "Vedas".


In his/her one article: Submission and Surrender on this blog called Kasturiben, this "Preceptor and Saint of Sri Ramchandraji Maharaj, Shahjahanpur" states:

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"The other unique aspect of sub(m)ission is that this physical body loses it's significance of name & form and subsequently the object with which our physique is connected also gets lost. For instance, when i wrote to Sri Babuji that 'there is no relevance of subtle or casual body for me', he then wrote to me that the body has it's form & name, but when the object of it has gone out of the mind, then how could i be conscious of my subtle & causal bodies.

He furthur told me about another unique divine condition-'forgetfullness' ,which is bestowed by him to the abyasi again as a reward for his 'submission' to him. In this conditon as he wrote to me, as i also experienced the same, ' you will not be able to recollect any living being or have memories of anyone, how so ever close he/she may be to you unless you are especially reminded about it' . I also felt the same ,when i wrote to him that 'i'am completely drowned in his divine showers and not consious of my own being,then how could i be consious of or see the physique of anyone else."

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Would you want your airplane pilot, your policeman, your fireman, your soldier, or your doctor, your judge, your brain surgeon, etc... to have this "unique feature" of Sahaj Marg? Is it a blessing? Is it really a gift or is it really a flaw, a side effect, possibly from a lack of oxygen (according to Chari)? Should Spirit and Spirituality not help in controlling the emotions, honing the mind, and making the memories more clear? Is this loss of memory or this not being "... able to recollect any living being..." simply the side-effects of a "drug" secreted by one of the glands, and which compromises short-term memory? Is Sahaj Marg really just another narcissistic religious "Opiate of the Masses"?

I did not say it or make it up! They seem to indicate a loss of memory or a "not being able to.... have memories of anyone..."... unless you are especially reminded about it", as another "unique feature" of their path.

And that is what they sell? And some are desiring that and buying that and proselyting that to others as a BLESSING of the path of Sahaj Marg?

There should be a caution with the practice of Sahaj Marg...

Nota Bene: * Don't meditate before exams, or before any important duties such as one's job, or at any important times of crisis in any of your family's or friends' lives!!
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Is Sahaj Marg(tm)'s Medium Named: Catherine, Cheryl (Chérie), Or ...?

Hi all...

I just received an e-mail which claims that Sahaj Marg(tm)'s Medium is not named: Catherine but is actually called: Cheryl ... or in French: Chérie.

I would like some comments and some feedback on this ... Do any of you know "for sure" what the real name of the "anonymous French Lady Medium" is?


We know it is a "she", and that "she" is "not a professional", because Chari says so on his "An Invitation" :

A medium, who is not a professional, has passed on these messages to me after my Master gave orders that they be made available to me. She is a sister-abhyasi of the Sahaj Marg system of spiritual practice. I have recorded messages from four sources, all of them beloved to me, and all beyond question.

See also: The Sahaj Marg Bible? ... , According to Whom??

Do you know the full name of the Sahaj Marg(tm) Medium ??


An altered copy of the Request:

From: Priya (not real name)
Date: October 21, 2010 4:36:47 AM
To: 4d-don

Hi Don

I have had some information that the medium who received
messages for "whispers" is a French women called Cheryl
(cherie in French).  I remember when a story about
Catherine was on your blog someone commented that they
knew the medium who received the messages and it wasn't
"Catherine". I don't know how credible my source is but
one way of finding out is putting a short statement on
your blog asking if anyone knows this is true?

If it is true then I know my source is credible and
will have more information for you. If not I can
disregard all the information.

But I wouldn't want my name of (name blanked out) to
be associated with the story could it be anonymous?


Priya (not real name)

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Charge of WITCHCRAFT in Canada! Spiritualist Sahaj Marg(tm) Next?

Taken from various Media in Canada (Sept. 15, 2010). This is the first "witchcraft" charge in Canada in 100 years. Welcome to GLOBALISM. Another Spiritualist "gift" from the Mystical East?? I would not doubt his lawyer will equate his "craft" with spirituality...

Why not? Sahaj Marg(tm) does!! The SRCM(California-1997) mentions in their Constitution their "standards of SPIRITUALISM" (see page 14, section 11). And their lineage is also so much fantasy, made up or invented !!

Doctor S.P. Srivastava, ex-president of SRCM (Shahjahanpur-1945), in his Autobiography of Ram Chandra, the founder of SRCM and Sahaj Marg, stated that (see here for context) :

Some persons (??), physically and socially close to Revered Lalaji, had claimed to be His representative and successor, and they were trying somewhat deliberately to harm and even do away with the physical existence of Grand Master's real (appointed by whom) representative in every possible way, including the use of certain spiritual techniques.


Does this "spiritual techniques" not sound like "magic", a "spell" or "conjuring", "enchantement", etc... ?? Do your research!!



Is spiritualism (see also spirituality) also a form of witchcraft? See the definitions of the words, and ... You decide!! The more accurate word would be "occult craft" or other similar terms ... A "witch" being a Wiccan priest or priestess. The term has been demonized over the years by so-called "organized religions", who also seem to be practicing an occult "craft" and spiritualism or SPIRITISM (not all religions ... but most) ...

Are most religions really "spiritualist" and are they promoting magic and/or "witchcraft" as some claim? What is the number of the Biblical "BEAST" of John's Revelation? "666"? Is that not arrived at by using an "occult craft"? Numerology? Who is "666", the Beast?? Ask Jack Van Impe? ;-))

("666" has been used to represent someone "evil" in every TIME in Christian history ... that is the insidiousness of "apocalyptic" writing ... It is always meant for today!! Today, it could represent our human-ness made from carbon (12) (as opposed to our SPIRIT or essence): carbon has 6 protons, 6 neutrons, and 6 electrons ... and/or the atomic structure of the polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, such as benzene, and other oil products is arranged hexagonally (6 sides) and is depicted as a hexagon with a circle inside. etc ... etc... etc...)

If spiritualism becomes a "cure for all that ails you", and if the proponents (preceptors, priests, mediums, etc...) profiteer (get paid with money, services, etc...) from the magic or "witchcraft", then it would appear to be covered by the law in Canada and be un-lawful in one part of the world ... for now!

Modern day magicians, necromancers and/or "mediums" call on the spirits of the dead for prophesy, divination, advice, etc... and these Mediums and their spirits often become "guides" in the physical world, as well as (allegedly) in their "afterlife"...

The witchcraft described in the Christian Bible also consisted of calling up the spirits of the dead. Many Christian church pastors claim that Spiritualism and Witchcraft are the same thing with "different names".

Chanelling of messages said to be from the spirits of the dead is also claimed by modern-day mediums, including Babuji, and Chari's anonymous French lady Medium who claims she is channeling the messages (Whispers from the Brighter World) from Babuji, Lalaji, Chari's mother, Chari's wife, the "beings of light"??, and other "anonymous" elevated souls.


From CBC News, Toronto

Police in Brampton, Ont., say they have charged a man with fraud for pretending to practise witchcraft.
Investigators allege the suspect was taking money for witchcraft-related services at his home.
Yogendra Pathak, 44, of Brampton has been charged with fraud under $5,000 and pretending to practise witchcraft.
Section 365 of Canada's Criminal Code outlaws "pretending to practise witchcraft, etc.," as one of the offences that deal with false pretences.
Pathak is due in court Oct 7.

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2010/09/15/brampton-witchcraft.html#ixzz0zjMRsf00

The law against 'pretending to practise witchcraft'
Everyone who fraudulently:
(a) pretends to exercise or to use any kind of witchcraft, sorcery, enchantment or conjuration,
(b) undertakes, for a consideration, to tell fortunes, or
(c) pretends from his skill in or knowledge of an occult or crafty science to discover where or in what manner anything that is supposed to have been stolen or lost may be found,
is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.
(Source: Section 365 of Canada's Criminal Code )

See also More article in Media:
CTV.ca (photo)
Digital Journal
The Star.com


See also (on this blog) :

Freedom from Sahaj Marg on Guru's Feet (see poster RAJAvsraj for his posts on Magic)

Worshipping False Gods (a Testimonial)

Exchange with Yogesh Patak on Wikipedia (Discussion page for Sahaj Marg)

It's my Birthday! It's a party for ME! (Chari of Sahaj Marg(tm))

Comments on Chari's speech: Towards Infinity, July 24, 2010

Comments by 4d-Don are in "red italics"

I will attempt to be as respectful as Chari is towards other "religions", or other spiritualist or spiritual groups, or isms, even some who are still disciples of Babuji and Lalaji! It is the divisive REALITY created by Sahaj Marg (tm) so as to grow their business... the old "Divide and Conquer"!

Dear Brothers and Sisters,

When I walked into a small house, unpretentious house, (Chari claims simplicity for himself and Sahaj Marg(tm), because Babuji was simple. (So was Lalaji simple later in life, after his family lost their status and wealth, as the independence movement took over.)

Sahaj Marg (tm) is now opulent and MATERIALIST ... and is not SIMPLE!! A cottage in every country, and places to "retreat" and get away from "making money" for a few days or weeks, is not "the simple life" or the "spiritual life", by my standards. Charity begins at home, but it should not remain at home!! Some in our world have no home, let alone a cottage! Our kids go to public school, not to a Private school. And Sahaj Marg(tm) wants to be called a "Charity"??) in a very narrow gali [lane] one afternoon in 1964 in Shahjahanpur, and when I met the Great Personality living there half an hour later or so, I thought I had not only begun Sahaj Marg but ended Sahaj Marg, because I had journeyed all the way from Madras via Delhi, a long road journey in those days, to Shahjahanpur, and arrived. And I took it to literally mean that I had arrived, meaning, or deluding myself, that my journey was over, the spiritual journey was over. That was in ’64. (The abhyasis are still being deluded that Sahaj Marg(tm) is the end of their journey... you, if you were truly a good Master, are supposed to pass them on to other Masters when you can't teach them anything else ... Sahaj Marg(tm) is not SIMPLE and it can't teach SIMPLICITY, it can only teach what it is: nationalism and materialism, sexism, elitism, and the false teaching that chasing God (ONE) or the Guru who claims to represent IT (not Him) all over the world is Spirituality. To be Spiritual, one has to relate to SPIRIT, not to spirits, that is called "spiritualism". And it certainly is not relating to hotels, airports, planes, buses, crowds, noise, money, worldly power, parties, food orgies, speeches, etc... The road to perdition is wide and many go with you... The Spiritual path is narrow and one goes alone ... Judging by the "love" that comes from the abhyasis and preceptors, you are not doing a great job of teaching "love" and respect either ... It seems you all "lack glitter"!! Where there once was love, the heart of the abhyasis are now filled with disrespect and rancour ... I wonder where they got that?? In the transmission from preceptors who "destroy love"??)

Forty-six years have passed since I had the first darshan of my Master, Babuji Maharaj, and every day I feel that we are still beginning Sahaj Marg, and that I am beginning Sahaj Marg. Because this is like a huge onion. You go on peeling it and it is endless — more and more appears and looks as if it will never end, (onions are not INFINITE ... They end. They are finite.) because one lifetime, according to our ancient lore (legend, myth) in India, can be enough for this spiritual journey but is rarely enough because we don’t utilise it properly. (Life is a timeless and endless journey ... For those who believe we are SPIRIT, it does not end ... For those who believe we are carbon or matter, they also have goals to achieve and things to do, and for them, life ends ... so they have to hurry and earn their salvation or their liberation NOW, before they die!! Spirit does not grow, and does not die. Spirit IS... ) The first mistake we make, and which can be a tragic mistake, is to think that the day we join Sahaj Marg everything is over — guru’s grace is there, now he will do everything for us. (We can say that it is the fault of those who claim to be representatives of ONE (What they call "a male God" and/or "He" or "HIM"). Then they claim that there is a 'goal' and that with Sahaj Marg (tm), one can reach that fictitious goal in one lifetime which they themselves will not reach either ... That is a LIE ... your "Indian" lore, and the lore of every other culture, is more accurate than that ... Of course, RELIGIONS and those who claim to represent ONE (God), all make grandiose claims to lure the unsuspecting, the narcissists, and the treasure seekers, the gamblers, the gullible, and the lazy lovers, etc ... who usually want something, (usually pleasure, excitement, or "bliss", etc...) for nothing!!

Babuji Maharaj often emphasized, very often, that his cooperation is hundred percent provided our cooperation in the sadhana, you know with the niyamas [observances], and the discipline, following the Ten Maxims, is hundred percent. His cooperation can be thousand percent, million percent, if ours is a hundred percent. As he put it so simply, “If you take one step towards God, He also takes one step towards you, but yours is twenty-five inches, His is one step from There to here, wherever There may be.” (God is not a HE, and IT does not take "steps"... ONE IS Everything, Everywhere, Every when (the E-Trinity) ... IT is not influenced by little homo sapiens and their silly rituals, prayers and imagined light in the heart ... you teach a myth!! An "imagined light" does not shine, and it does not make one bright! And it seems to lead to Spiritualism and mediums, and channeled messages, not to a system of MEDITATION, such as Raja Yoga but to a butchered system, where the main spiritual and loving steps have been removed, and where the butchered system begins at step #7 of Patanjali's eightfold (octave) path, or... meditate, and then die! )

Another metaphor you can say to define Sahaj Marg is an iceberg floating in an ocean. All school children know that what we see of the iceberg is hardly one-eighth of the whole thing. The rest is all below, in the sea. In Sahaj Marg it is not one-eighth; it’s I think one-millionth or one-billionth. The visible part of Sahaj Marg, the sadhana paddhati or the sadhana procedure, the meditation, the constant remembrance, the night prayer - the practice as we call it - is but a drop in the ocean of spirituality. (and Sahaj Marg(tm) is not more efficacious than other religions and/or "isms" ... believe what you will but don't lie about what others from other religions believe, preach, teach and do inside their systems. We are all inside ONE where we live ... IF you are conscious of Spirit at all not just spirits, you can respect that, and ALL. If you want respect you have to give it so as to CREATE IT!! )

I may be permitted to say I was rather surprised when Babuji Maharaj said, “All this earns you nothing.” (Babuji got that right!! ;-)) ) He said “nothing”! And when I said, “Babuji, nothing?” he said, “Yes, nothing, because this you are doing in obedience to the instructions of your Master. Everybody will do it. This is only the beginning.” (in other words, Babuji meant, where is the "glitter in your heart"? Where is your love and compasstion for the families of the poor gullible abhyasis who's lives you destroy, divide and seperate, you and your preceptors who "destroy love" as you stated in 2001 at a preceptor's seminar??) So I said, “Then what is and where is the rest of it?” He said, “As you meditate, as you do your cleaning, as you pray, are you able to transfer your dependence from depending on yourself to depending on Him? (on ONE (God), not on Chari!!) Will you be able to transfer your love which is now narcissistic?” (Babuji speaks of narcissistic Chari, who wants to sit on a throne and be adored and adulated by his fans... much like a materialist Bollywood star!) You know, I think, nargis, nargis apni benoori pe roti hai [the narcissus weeps over its sightlessness]. ( Where is the "glittering in your heart" Chari, as Babuji asked? And as we repeat, we who have witnessed the destruction and division you have created in a world which needed love, compassion and UNITY?)

So we are also blind because in our love we think we love everything, but we love only ourselves in a narcissistic fashion. (Gee! that's two "right's" in a row!! Babuji is on a roll! Now if Chari could hear that this is meant for HIMSELF, not for others!!) That is why so much looking at the mirror, so much self-adornment, self-satisfaction. So the second question was (Babuji’s), “Will you ever be able to transfer this self-love of yours to loving Him (IT) who must be the only thing that you shall love as a human being?” Babuji Maharaj said again and again, “Love (prem) is only for God. It is impossible between human beings.” (What he meant was, love the "One-ness" (God) in those around you ... not love only a guru in India and not your family and friends ... or spend thousands of dollars celebrating your guru's birthday and don't even celebrate the birthday of those around you (friends, family) ... or give them a worthless "trinket" for their birthday. That is why the Sahaj Marg (tm) abhyasis become self-serving narcissists, and separate from their families and friends, and dis-respect, and destroy the love in their surroundings, and try and love ONE (God) in the GURU only... That is false ...AND IT IS IMPOSSIBLE... And it is a false teaching which is now in Sahaj Marg(tm) .... It does not originate with Babuji, but with Chari. Love ONE in All ... Chari changed it to: "Love all whom he loves"!! What a butchery of something wise and "good"... He is not a philosopher or wise. He is an engineer and a materialist CEO (in plastics or oil products) !!

That was also a shock for me to hear that human beings cannot love each other. All this much flaunted love, you know, romance; it may be romance but there’s no love behind it. (you miss the point because of the lack of "glitter in your heart"... You have the heart of a materialist and a nationalist CEO . You don't know that "there is no love behind it" for everyone!! You may know that for yourself and in your own way ... so preach it at yourself, in a mirror, as Babuji said... see above..in your own words!) When I sought clarification from Babuji, “What is this that we are experiencing: filial love so-called between parents and children, brotherly and sisterly love, and the love between spouses? What is this?” He said, “This is only friendship and affection.” (see below for the other parts of the "contradiction"! Beside, if the abyasis I know had friendship or affection, I would not complain... but what I see from those I know is disrespect, rancour, emotionalism, and hatred ... and certainly not tolerance, compassion, or acceptance ... You were right at the preceptor's seminar in 2001: "they (you) destroy" love!! )

So you see, these two things: Will you be able to transfer your dependence from on yourself to Him, totally, which is what surrender means? (love the ONE in ALL) Will you be able, ever, to change this self-love of yours, narcissistic love, (Babuji is speaking to Chari... Chari does not change, but preaches it down to you, and wants you to adulate him!!) to the love of Him and Him alone? (IT and IT alone) And then he smilingly pointed out, with some compassion, he said, “Don’t be afraid, it is possible. All those who have gone before us on the saintly ladders have done it. Otherwise they would not be there, they would not be remembered.” ( On the "saintly ladders" lol lol... Now there's a "ladder" to get to the Brighter World .... Oh!... We all agree... even Jesus Christ said: LOVE ONE ANOTHER! or Love the God (ONE) in one another!! Why does the Sahaj Marg (tm) of Chari divide so much? Is Love the same to him as division, and destruction of families??)

“Whom do we remember in this world?” he asked us. History may teach you to remember Napoleon, Genghis Khan, Hitler. (is that all you remember of history?? There are other good men and not simply "conquerors of the World" or IMPERIALISTS. Name some good men in history!!) Geography may teach you to remember England, United States, Japan, latitudes and longitudes. History, geography — what else is there left? Mathematics may teach you to remember your multiplication tables and some equations. But what do you really remember, even without going to school, without education, without history, geography, mathematics are the great names which have passed through the history of this world: Lord Krishna, Buddha, Mohammed the Prophet, Jesus Christ. (Could you mention the one who is claimed to be the "son of God" before those who claim to be "special", prophets or philosophers!! lol,lol. Krishna has only influenced your culture ... Jesus Christ is GLOBAL and is remembered globally! And no one would remember them also if it was not for religious "education" set up by those in the pyramid that is the RELIGIOUS structure.) We remember them. We may not know we love them but we remember them as the great progenitors of humanity. (They are simply political leaders, military leaders and religious leaders who have been given historical importance by others (manipulators) in other generations so as to give themselves credibility ... we have seen Sahaj Marg do it with Lalaji and now Chari does it with Babuji, so his successor can do it with Chari.

We also remember others because of their accomplishments... and not only material or religious accomplishments of building "temples", but some of us also remember spiritual, intellectual and abstract accomplishments. We remember them, but we don't say we "love them"! That would be a corruption of the word LOVE!! )

And Babuji said, “This is remembrance. And remembrance,” he said, “is one of the fundamental legs of the tripod (first the 3M's, then the Tripod, what's next: the TRINITY?? They are into everything Spiritualist: astrology, numerology, Mediums, egregores, etc... this is not a system of meditation but a Spiritualist Sect) of Sahaj Marg.” He said, “Normally what you think you love, you remember. You remember your child, you remember your wife, you remember your friends because you love them. (Huh? Which one is it?? Earlier, you called it "romance", and then "friendship and affection", now you call it "love" as it is also accompanied by "remembering"!! We can say the same for the GURU. The abhyasis just "think you love" the guru.

Your serfs can't question you Chari, but I, who was a disciple of Babuji, can! You and Sahaj Marg (tm), like most corrupt religions, speak contradictions and control by confusion!! Sahaj Marg(tm) robs the love from a family unit and divides it and separates it by placing all the LOVE that should go to the family and friends, on an outsider, a man, and a foreign nationalist man who claims to be a GODMAN! A love-greedy Guru is a False Guru ... Then their "love" is re-hashed and the abhyasis may get back the love of the Group (egregore), not more love than anyone else and not more love from ONE (God..Him). And if the egregore becomes dominated by greedy users (nationalists, materialists, etc..) then the abhyasis gets that corruption and becomes even less loving and more disrespectful of their family and friends ... as we have witnessed and experienced. The religious adepts in Sahaj Marg, imitating Chari, think that others are lost or evil and not deserving of respect ... unless they become a "disciple"... That is not Spirituality!!

"Love one another!" is much wiser, and is much more what is needed today by mankind!! The world does not need less love in the family, and more division as per: Sahaj Marg|(tm) and it's false Guru! ), With the guru, you have to create love through remembrance. There, love creates remembrance. In spirituality, remembrance will create love. (that is artificial...not natural. Love ALL...but don't follow a Master who wants all your love for only himself, leaving the family and friends with a loveless empty shell.) Therefore, constant remembrance of the Great is the essential leg of the tripod of Sahaj Marg. Dhyana [meditation], constant remembrance, and obedience, hundred percent, unquestioning. Because as long as you question, it means you consider that in some way you know better than him. It is immaterial whether it is worldly knowledge or higher knowledge - vidya or paravidya - and avidya, of course, darkness. The moment you question the Master… You can inquire. (How egotistical: You can't question the Master? That is one of the signs of a false guru ... according to other REAL gurus and Masters. Any self-titled Master will be questioned! ... by anyone who wants to. That game is over... A true Master of Spirituality (not of "humanity", as Chari likes to calls himself), would respond to inquiries "ad infinitum" and would enjoy it, as Time and infinity are but illusions anyway. What do you think the job of Spiritual Master is anyway? To be an egotistical tyrant and sit on a throne and be adulated by one's disciples (how "Moonie", Sahaj Marg(tm) has become).

Do your research ! When a guru can't or does not want to teach anymore, he is to send the seeker to another more enlightened guru, not ask the disciple to not ask questions anymore, or play the games of not giving any time for "discussion"!! Does Chari think there is no more "enlightened" than him?) As Babuji Maharaj said, doubt poisons the soul. (Wrong ... Doubt is the beginning of intelligence, integrity, and Wisdom ... Chari has (and Babuji also had...) "doubt" himself, and we all do. If one can't doubt anything, one is a gullible dunce who will follow everyone!! ) Whereas inquiry, that is: Is this It? What is It? No doubt these are real questions with possible answers which, according to Sahaj Marg tradition and in fact generally spiritual tradition, the guru awakens within us in our heart by following the practice that he has prescribed for us. And the answers come from within. That is why when we went to see the Great Master at Shahjahanpur we forgot all our questions, because they were no more necessary. (to forget your questions is not necessarily a sign of spirituality ... It can also be a sign of manipulation) And when we got onto the train to go back, everybody suddenly remembered, “Ayyo, I had to ask this question. I forgot.” Babuji used to smile, and mischievously he used to say, “This is the way of my protecting myself. Otherwise I would be pestered with questions!” But that was a joking answer. The real answer was that he removed the ignorance about that which we wanted to ask.

An answer is not an answer as it is understood in the modern ways of education. An answer in spiritual life is the removal of ignorance about what we wanted to know. “I did not know what it was; now I know what it is.” An answer is not two plus two makes four. Of course, that’s a fact. Similarly, questions we asked of Babuji Maharaj, “Will this happen?” Babuji said, “To say yes and no has no meaning. It must happen. A solution must come.” So in Sahaj Marg, questions have no answers; questions must have solutions which need our prayer, which need our sadhana, and which need faith in the Master. (I guess Chari thinks that is "smart", but it is not very "enlightened" and not spiritual ... think of your doctor doing that (getting you to not remember (or not have an occasion to ask) the question you wanted to ask him ... a word and mind game!!))

So you see, it is not a simple thing (now it's not SIMPLE... contradiction?) that you enter the guru’s home and you have your first sitting and you say, “My, my, you know, what a wonderful sitting,” and this is finished. In most sansthas, including some of the Vedic stories, Puranic stories, this is how they teach. (just the false Gurus or the Charlatans... not the REAL Gurus or the truly enlightened. I would not put my fate in someone who uses trickery and mischievousness to relate to me in important things such as my ETERNITY (space) ... not infinity which is of TIME...)

For instance, in one of the Upanishads a fellow goes to the guru and says, “What is brahmavidya [supreme knowledge] or Brahman [God]?” or whatever you see. And the guru says, “Know food to be Brahman — annam brahmeti vyajaanaat.” And he’s happy, he says, “Of course, everything eats, everybody eats, even fire consumes fuel — he has taught.” Then slowly he begins to meditate on this and says, “No, no, it cannot be. It may be part of the answer but it cannot be the full answer.” So he goes back to the guru, “Guruji, but…” He says, “Praanam brahmeti vyajaanaat — know the prana [life force].” He says, “Yes.” After some time of introspection, observation of the world, he finds dead people going, and as we say in Tamil, “Praanam gaya, praan nikal gaya. [His life has left him.]” He says, “Guruji, how can that be?” So the guru says, “Mano brahmeti vyajaanaat — know the mind to be Brahman.” He says, “Now at last I’ve got the truth.” But then he finds after some years his cousin is going mad, his wife is crazy. How can that be Brahman which can go crazy, which can have aberrations, which does not know the truth? He goes back to the guru. Like this, six times he goes. The final answer of the guru is, “Aanandam brahmeti vyajaanaat — know bliss to be Brahman,” you see, eternal bliss. (I would say: Don't waste my TIME (infinity)!! )

Babuji said, “Yes, of course, all these answers were correct at their respective times, given to the disciple according to the stage of the development that he has achieved. But the Vedas have stopped with aanandam. There is much beyond that.” Now that is the iceberg of Sahaj Marg, you see, much beyond that. Not just a little beyond that. Not a seventh answer and an eighth answer, but much. And when I asked Babuji, “How much?” he said, “Infinity.” (Infinity can be simply define in 1-d or linearly: x= x + 1 ... or in one dimension ... Eternity is n...d or multi-dimensional). That is why our path, Sahaj Marg, is known as ‘towards infinity.’ (Yes for the love of ONE, become familiar with one dimension and move on, so we may finally converse in n...dimensions and relate to ONE which is not only in one dimension) There is no end to it. (that means no goal...it is a journey! ) But he said, “Don’t be afraid, because infinity doesn’t really mean anything to one who does not know what is infinity, who has not gone through infinity to the other end, and who has not mastered that infinity. When you have mastered infinity,” he says, “it is in your mutthi — it is in your fist.” (what a crock!! We all know "INFINITY" and we are all aware of it and we all experience it even in listening to secular music or in our worldly affairs... Time distorts!! Come-on... Where are all the philosophers in Sahaj Marg (tm)?? Oh yes! They all left when Chari and the materialists and the nationalists took over... or they were pushed out... This is now Sahaj Mart (tm)... Trade marked for trade and commerce... that means MATERIAl or for a commercial product! And they are impressed by infinity and do not relate to ETERNITY... Maybe the SUFI disciples of Lalaji have not lost that "treasure"...)

So, brothers and sisters, you see, let us not be either put into a state of happiness and contentment by what we have first in Sahaj Marg, or be balked by this truth that knowing Sahaj Marg is impossible because one cannot know infinity; (lol...lol... You guys believe that? now no one can know or understand infinity?? Contradictions!) one can experience infinity. One cannot know God, one can experience God. Therefore God and infinity are the same. ( No! Try: One and ETERNITY are the same ... Infinity is what the children will learn at shool, if they are not in a Religious school ... That statement is of the past. Try the 18th century! ) And if you have the patience, the commitment to your own self-development, and the requisite faith in the guru, (self promotion... a commercial... what gall...use your head... the brain ONE gave you as a gift.) you will find that soon after you have met him you have a sitting in which there is no sense of time, ( even "rock'n roll" will give you that... it's part of relativity ...It's not God!! ) there is no sense of space; (even in ONE there is a sense of Space BUT ONE CREATES the SPACE at the moment (infinitely), but it is a Space that also encompasses the Zero (0) or the Nothing of Buddhism, and the Minus ONE (-1) of Potentiality or the virtual (what is not yet created and may not be created), and in ONE-ness, one can BE as co-creator with ONE!!

Buddhism claims to take one's consciousness to NOTHING or ZERO (o) and that is good!! We are now all conscious of the "SOMETHING" (+1) or of the EXPLICATE world of MIND ... but we are now, at this time in our evolution, also opening the minus ONE (-1), or we are journeying into the virtual and the POTENTlAL or the IMPLICATE world of MIND ... and that is also part of ONE ...)

Don't be fooled or dis-empowered by the salesmen of spiritualism and egregores, as if it was ONE (or God) ...and foolishly give your power to a religious "elite" who will then create a world with them as Masters and you and us as "serfs".

Sahaj Marg (tm), like most religions and power structures of the past are triangular (in 2-d) or Pyramidal (in 3-d). In a pyramidal organizational structure, God (usually male) is at the top of the pyramid and His (usually self-appointed) representative takes His place. The power of the pyramid is then dessiminated to the vertices (the priesthood), and then to the base where the masses have no power at all and are simply the receptors of the orders and the feeders (financial, political, etc...) of the structure (the sheep)!! They will compete for the positions at the vertices and some power-hungry men will compete for the position at the top vertex.

We (some of us) are taking our destiny in our own hands as part of the galactic POWER structure of the spiral ... You can too ... In the spiral, there is no begining and no end, the spiral is open and there is no eternal inside and/or eternal outside to the spiral, and anyone can enter and anyone can leave the spiral structure, there is no point on the spiral which is more important than the other.

These are the days of the end of the divisive male pyramidal and/or the female circular (arcs) RELIGIOUS structures, with their insiders and outsiders and preferred points or positions of power. These are the seasons of changes, this is the age of transformation ... You can be part of it or you can bow down to a religious elite once again hoping to be SAVED. But the change is inevitable ... It is Global... IT WILL BE SO!! Some will BE part of the change LATER!! Those who still think in terms of, and are still impressed by INFINITY when they think of ONE (God) or our ONE-ness could be lost for infinity (in TIME), but not everywhere in Space (of n...d). Infinity has a beginning and a trajectory (vector) and can have a goal (points in time), even an un-reachable goal. Until one gets off the infinite "tread-mill" (1-d) and saves oneself ETERNALLY!!

Some are now BEING conscious of, and some realize our SPIRIT-ness, our SPIRITUALITY or our ONE-ness with ALL, and some are not fooled by the divisive Religions of SPIRITUALISM (Mediums, egregores, channels (1-d), messages from the dead, Saints, Saviours, special persons, etc..) anymore! Soon... none will be fooled ...and mankind will witness another "enlightenment". And once again, the impetus for that change will have come from taking our fate in our hands and out of the hands of a religious elite. WE will pull ourselves up by our bootstraps. We will save ourselves...

and often when he says, “That’s all,” you don’t know where you are — the first real experience of no time, no where, eternally.

So you see, it requires practice, but the practice alone is not enough. It must be backed by faith, (and it must make sense ... to think that reading a channeled message from an alleged spirit of the dead seven or eight times, according to Chari, will erase smaskaras (impressions) , sins or anything is simply silly. It is even denied by Chari in the previous post: "No man on earth has power to absolve you of your sins except two people: one yourself, and one your God"....and even that is questionable! We don't "absolve ourselves of our sins", we "atone", or we become "at one" with our actions and our thoughts and we undo them, or live with our guilt until we are forced to ATONE by destiny.) to accept what the guru says and do it. (NOT) And then comes the final stage, it may be one day as Babuji said, “Just move your head from here to here, and it’s over,” or it may take, I don’t know, so many yugas and mahayugas [eons]. (silly..it fools the children!) Everything depends on us, provided our cooperation is total, because then we have Him with us, (HIM is not the dead guru, but ONE... All the time... no matter what we do) and his cooperation and his assistance are unfailing, (not the dead Guru but ONE) ever-present with us. I pray for his blessings on all of you today. (You try and confuse the Master and God ... It's just an old "Indian rope trick".... a scam... ONE is WHAT (not WHO) is SPIRIT, and SPIRIT is ONE ... The guru did not create the World, and he will not save anyone ... I can bless you also, but that does not mean that ONE is obliged to favour you because I blessed you!! The sun will not favour you, the wind will not favour you, and neither will ONE if ONE is "natural" ... Neither will the dead GURU,who is just a man, not a GOD !! )

Thank you. You' re welcome.... You preach at us to commercialize, grow your business, and lure our families and friends into your web ... we agree with Babuji, and we preach back at you!!

A Whisper From The Spirit of Babuji of Sahaj Marg(tm)!!

From: "A Whisper a Day" dated 06/06/2010 received Saturday, July 24, 1999-8:00 AM

This excerpt is from the New Sahaj Marg Bible, called Whispers from the Brighter World, which are allegedly from Babuji's spirit which now dwells in their Brighter World (heaven?). As must be noticed, Babuji is not in the un-reachable "central region", and still has an "identity" and a "personality" (Special??), and is allegedly still communicating with a lowly "Medium", and not with the President of SRCM (California-1997), or his Masterly "spiritual representative", unless the MEDIUM is considered so. Babuji is only one of the spirits that this anonymous French Medium is channeling.

The others include Lalaji, Chari's mother, Chari's wife, and other un-named "elevated souls", and some "beings of light". Add to that an entity called an "egregore" and you have the SPIRITUALISM that is now Sahaj Mart (tm) !! Oops ... that should be " Marg"! as in the "easy path"!! "Easy" and "Natural" apparently !!

As long as one does not have or does not want friends and a family to love! ... But don't worry, they will find you new friends, a new family, a wife/husband (no gays please), a pet, money, power, etc.. etc.. just like a snake-oil saleman of old, or a "Con-man" or an "opiate dealer" ...

And your "carbon footprint" and the planet? ... Businessmen and developers will care for the "environment"? Want to buy a Bridge?



Comments by 4d-don are in "red italics"



From the Channeled Message - allegedly from the SPIRIT of Babuji

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"The word sect stirs real mass hysteria, particularly in Europe, and in France mainly. (not so... The anonymous lady Medium is from France. Chari's European headquarters was (1999) at Augerans Castle (the old Peugeot (auto manufacturers) Castle), near the village of Dole, in eastern France) Instead, religions that in the past and even nowadays, did not do only good are accepted. (not true ... Christian religions are and have been losing ground in Europe for centuries. Hence the exodus by some "addicts" and "co-dependents", to try out "new religions" and "harmful sects" such as Sahaj Marg!) That is the way it goes, so many centuries of power over people can't just be swept away. (But it was and is still being "swept away" little by little by men of science using "logic and reason". And then came the "Reformation" and the "Enlightenment" or the Renaissance followed by the Industrial Revolution!! Sahaj Marg is not any better than the SPIRITUALIST religions of the past.) The teachings of the Masters of the past that have influenced humanity were distorted, utilized by powers of money and personal thirsts for power. (As the "Raja Yoga" of Patanjali was "distorted" as taught by SRCM, which begins at step # 7 of an eightfold path? As SRCM(California-1997) has now become SPIRITUALISM with a MEDIUM channeling the messages from the "spirit" of Babuji from beyond the grave? ... The messages are then sold as Whispers From The Brighter World, (first for $250.00USD, and now at a reduced rate of $150.00 USD!! Not cheap this alleged "spirituality"! But it is a "distorted (butchered) spirituality" or more accurate a Spiritualism sold by the Powers of MONEY (businessmen) and persons who thirst for power ... Who sits on a THRONE (a chair for CHARI) at every gathering?? (Does Chari-ty (so as to get "tax-exempt" status) really mean CHARI's tea?) Thus is the world; everything is dirtied. (TRUE... and then cleaned by "reason", not more faith in other Opiates, spiritualism and materialism created by the Business elite! ) These Masters gave a moral code, a code of life, clean and beautiful, entirely oriented towards the Creator and the creature." (only some ... not all... as now, some Masters of past Religions were materialists, nationalists, and spiritualists, and some were addicted to POWER, FAME, etc ... Religion does not necessarily serve the "CREATOR or its creature", it serves the "organization" and the "inner circle" (businessmen) ... Chari's Ashrams of Marble with "lions of gold" and the displays of "idolatry" are not "serving the "Creator or the creature" or the creation that is the PLANET!! ... The structures of concrete and marble serve Chari and the EGO of the "inner circle of SRCM (California-1997), the nationalists, and the businessmen who use RELIGION to invade foreign markets! And who would be served (or serviced?) by women (their scriptural "milk maidens"), which they "control"!! (In Sahaj Marg, 75% are women controlled by MEN only !! Women can't be Masters according to Chari!! Teach that to your daughters!! And tell them WHY!! Chari said so!! )
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Is Sahaj Marg (tm) Serving the "beings of light"? LUCIFER?

From: Sahaj Marg (tm) and SRCM (California-1997) Whispers From the Brighter World (see here), Sunday, July 11, 1999, 8:00 AM.


Excerpt From: "Whispers from the Brighter World", Sunday, July 11, 1999, 8:00 AM:

Babuji (allegedly): "Yes my daughter, you will meet again, all these beings of light which had guided your life; you love them and you venerate them. You are faithful in love."

The Medium: "How wouldn't I be like that, Babuji? I have received so much from these wonderful beings until the moment when I met you again. They continue to manifest themselves in certain circumstances; I am grateful to them."

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Babuji (allegedly): "Benefit from this state, try to keep it in you today, without letting in any interference; our two hearts are only as one. Your friends, who are privileged to reread what you have written, to correct it if necessary, are lucky, they benefit from very precious spin-offs"

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Someone beside the medium (more anonymous "friends" ?) corrects the Whispers "if necessary" ?? Hmmm!! What are "very precious spin-offs"?? The Medium (and now Sahaj Marg(tm)) seems to have more "spirits" than "EVE" has personalities ... (Reference to a Book (1957): The Three Faces of Eve, by Hervey M. Cleckley)

Much as the Medium keeps in touch with her "old religion" (the "beings of light"), I would suggest that all the Sahaj Marg(tm) abhyasis should also keep a "life-line" to their old religion, traditions and families (or to their own inner selves and/or strength) when investigating or researching pseudo-religions that try to claim ownership of "salvation or liberation", and then sell or proselytize it ... the "snake-oil" merchants or the "charlatans". Some are not very "honest" about who they really are, and what they are into ... ("spiritualism" that is made up on the "run", versus "spirituality" as a method. (ie Raja Yoga).

Who are these "beings of LIGHT" that the "anonymous French Lady Medium" of SRCM (California-1997) and Sahaj Marg (tm) is still now channeling and that the abhyasis think and believe are going to erase their samskaras if they repeat the "whispers" or messages 7 or 8 times as per Chari's instructions? Babuji, from his alleged "central region" in the alleged Brighter World, does not seem to know these "beings of light" (by name) either ... he apparently just calls them: "beings of light" ... no names!! If the Medium does not know their names, does she know how many "beings of light" she is in contact with? Is it an "army of beings of light" or one or two "beings of light" ? Hmmmm!


Who are these "beings of light" ... ALIENS? New Age inventions to replace "fairies, elves, angels, daemons, etc..., different aspects of the MEDIUM's personality, or is it an "invasion" from the SPIRIT WORLD ?? ;-))
Are these "beings of light", simply dis-embodied carbon-based beings as we, who, having died and crossed over to the other side, and now wishing to return for one reason or another, are looking for living carbon-based entities who are tired of life and living, and who wish to surrender their bodies to these "other beings" ... to what Ruth Montgomery calls "walk-ins"?? Are these "beings of light" elevated? Are they in the alleged "central region" ... So many questions, so few answers when dealing with spiritualist "neophytes" who make up their stories "on the run" !! Does the anonymous French lady Medium of SRCM (California-1997) organize seances for a select few? For a "fee" or "donation" ??


The word "Lucifer", used in Judeo-Christian scriptures, means "bearer of light" (in latin lux, lucem=light, fere= bearer) !! The word "Lucifer", through common usage in many religions and "isms", has also become synonymous with "Satan, " the Devil", "the Beast", and also, "the deceiver", "the liar", "the trickster", "the evil", "the illusion", etc ... etc ... Is that who is dividing the world of Sahaj Marg (tm), and their families, and their societies through addiction to the MATERIAL (matter and light), parties (food, orgies of ego, etc ... ), etc... ? The "great deceiver", the "beings of light" ... LUCIFER ?? Could it be "LUCIFER"??

THE alleged "BEINGS OF LIGHT", loved, venerated and then channeled by the anonymous French Lady "MEDIUM" (or their messages), are then possibly transmitted into the "open and receptive" heart of the abhyasis (or their children) by the preceptors and their "METHOD"? Who knows? Does the "un-professional" and anonymous French Lady MEDIUM know for sure? If she is wrong, and if Chari is un-reachable (dead or lost on his throne, or in his "ego"), who does one go to? Are Sahaj Marg (tm) abhyasis really practicing voluntary "brain washing" or the voluntary and unwitting acceptance of the "beings of light" or their messages (whispers) ?? (see Revelation of John the disciple in the last book of the Christian Bible)

P.S. Notice that in the Revelation of John, the number for the BEAST of the Apocalypse is 666. Carbon (matter) has 6 protons, 6 neutrons, 6 electrons. Is the BEAST Matter (carbon) and all who, also being made of carbon (the carbon-based entities), serve Matter and the MATERIALISTS (businessmen) with their structures made of MATTER (or light)? Carbon, as oil products (the black gold of "business") , the gift of "pollution" from the realm of PLUTO, the blind god of the underworld, is carbon arranged in the "benzene ring", and is structured as a hexagon (6 sides) ...

Rather than serving MATTER, and the Materialists (businessmen), to be truly "Spiritual", should one not go into SPIRIT, a rarefied form of REAL energy, more rarefied than LIGHT (electromagnetism)? Light is matter (particles ... photons) in MOTION (waves). There is no light without "electrons", and having "mass" and a negative electrical charge, electrons are classified as "matter"! Go to SPIRIT!! Babuji used to say to imagine "light" as the opposite of "HEAVY"!! Sahaj Marg(tm) has now become "HEAVY" and SPIRITUALIST with "spirits" who still have "identities" and are "beings" or "entities" (with no names?), and hence can "communicate" with a MEDIUM made of carbon, a carbon-based entity with a personality. The Medium, the spirits, the "beings of light", are not "god realized" and/or "god- merged" ONE-ness !!


Since the meditation of Sahaj Marg has all the abhyasis placing an "imagined light" (not "real" and not "SPIRIT" but an "illusion") in their heart, is that not simply logic that what they will achieve or "reap" is imagined LIGHT, (or imagined "beings of light") not SPIRIT (rarified energy) and certainly not the DIVINE or ONE (ONE-ness ... UNITY)!! Sahaj Marg(tm) seems to divide the world in the name of SPIRITUALITY, which should UNITE according to Babuji!! (a deceit from the servants of the "deceivers"?)

It seems that Sahaj Marg(tm) is now into full-fledged SPIRITUALISM and it is not a "Method of Meditation" and/or a way of LIFE, such as the REAL "Raja Yoga", the "eightfold Path", of Patanjali. Sahaj Marg is now OBEDIENCE, "anonymous mediums, messages from the Spirits of the DEAD, and egregores, and now: un-named "BEINGS OF LIGHT".

Do all abhyasis know that "imagined LIGHT" is simply the same as "imagined MATTER" in motion, and hence it is simply a crude form of relatively static MIND, and it certainly is not SPIRIT, as in a "rarified form of real energy".


SAVE YOURSELF ...

Your idols are made of clay (carbon)!! Your theology is flawed and your claims of SPIRITUALITY are in REALITY, claims of SPIRITUALISM!! You pray to your "invented egregore"!! And you pray for "PEACE" contrary to the stated goal of your METHOD as stated by the founder: BABUJI !! And now your anonymous French Lady MEDIUM is serving and loving "beings of LIGHT" who's names are also unknown to her!!

Let us CREATE PEACE and ONE-ness or UNITY ... let us not simply pray for it, and then serve the "gods of division and war"! Respect your family and friends and neighbours, and their RELIGIONS (or lack of ... atheism, agnosticism, etc..) which are no more corrupt than what the business of Sahaj Mart (tm) has become !!

Who will write your NEW Sahaj Mart (tm) BIBLE? The un-named "beings of Light" channeled by the anonymous French lady Medium ??

"But the light is so beautiful and sensual", they cried!! And they voluntarily and willingly gave their spirit (energy, essence), and their children to the "beings of light"... and they were consumed !!


P.S. Have you all noticed how the NEW Sahaj Mart(tm) (trademarked for trade and commerce) is focussed (fixated?) on "young children" ... before the age of REASON??

Whatever happened to the wise warning of being 18 yrs or older, before becoming involved in the Sahaj Mart(tm) "indoctrination", as Babuji cautioned . (Could it be LUCIFER ?? ... or the new Religion (or New Age Religion) of the alleged "beings of light"?) Who are "THEY"?? Who do you serve in REALITY??
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