Showing posts with label spirituality. Show all posts
Showing posts with label spirituality. Show all posts

Friday, May 15, 2015

Sahaj Marg Proselytism: Be Contagious

Translation of article by Elodie: "Prosélytisme: Soyez Contagieux", on her blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg. 

May 15, 2015 

Sahaj Marg Proselytism: "Be Contagious"

The number of our abhyasis is growing, a very special egregore is also developing dramatically; it has just begun and we are happy. (Whisper 04/03/2015)

In February 2015, Kamlesh bhai announced that the hierarchy of Sahaj Marg Masters had allowed preceptors from around the world to have new responsibilities to facilitate the growth of the Mission. (...). This is another way of working, made ​​necessary by the growing expansion of the mission in the world. (Bulletin 16.3.2015)

Kamlesh bhai ended the talk with a call to one and all, "Just one abhyasi Bringing in one new abhyasi every year. So please try it. I will not say anything further.  Be contagious. Thank you." (Delhi Speech 04/05/2015)

Sthapati said: “In Sahaj Marg, as with many Hindu traditions, proselytizing is forbidden.” (11/05/2015)

 Be Contagious!


All the signs are there. From "Whispers" to Patel, all the signs point in the same direction. SRCM is relaunching its proselytizing crusade.

Kamlesh Patel has taken over the pilgrim's staff that Chari had to abandon because of his health problems.  Globetrotter guru, he's traveling the world to re-mobilize the followers of Sahaj Marg in a new quest for growth.

On one hand, Whispers and Patel announced that the Mission is growing, it becomes necessary to give more responsibility to preceptors to deal with this influx.   On the other hand, Patel creates an internet tool (Heartfulness) to attract the typical person and he encourages his troops to proselytize.

"In Sahaj Marg, as with many Hindu traditions, proselytizing is forbidden"? 

One wonders where Sthapati went to get the idea that proselytism is forbidden in Sahaj Marg, when that always is its reason for being, at least in the minds of these successive gurus.

Upon his arrival, Chari tried to convince Babuji to conquer the West. He then used the preceptors as a small army of soldiers who bring ever more new followers.

More than the spiritual growth of individuals, Babuji wanted the Mission to reach a sufficient critical mass to "tip over" the world.

That Patel allegedly violates the rule against proselytizing does not seem to unduly inconvenience Sthapati. The latter then makes herself the champion of Heartfulness.org without the least restrictions. The Sahaj Marg gurus have always had an amazing ability to convince their followers of one thing and its opposite.

 
Élodie

Some links:
 

 
Extracts From Whispers
 
We do not work in vain, Sahaj Marg is growing and it touches the people with its simplicity of approach, but above all with the results that follow over time. (25/02)
 
The number of our abhyasis is growing, a very special egregore is also developing dramatically; it has just begun and we are happy. (4/03)
 
Much remains to be done; the number of abhyasis is growing, which points to the power of this mission in the future, as it is provided for the benefit of our members and, by extension, of their surroundings. (6/03)
 
Over the years the Mission has advanced and it extends into the world, it has structured itself and will increasingly do so more and more, according to its growing implantation. (16/04)

 
Preceptors From Around The World - New Responsibilities
Bulletin No. 2015.22 • Monday, March 16, 2015
 
In February 2015, Kamlesh bhai announced that the hierarchy of Sahaj Marg Masters had allowed the preceptors from around the world to have new responsibilities to facilitate growth of the Mission. These new authorizations do not replace the existing face-to-face practice for individual sittings, and group or introductory sittings. This is another way of working, made ​​necessary by the growing expansion of the mission in the world. This results in the following changes:
 
1. New seekers are welcome to join a group meditation without previously taking separate introductory sittings.
 
2. Seekers may be introduced to the practice of Sahaj Marg in groups on consecutive days if individual introductions are not possible.
 
3. The preceptors can give individual sittings to groups of abhyasis simultaneously (at the same time).
 
4. The preceptors can provide remote individual sittings when necessary. These remote sittings can only be given if the preceptor has just received confirmation just before starting that the abhhyasi is available and if both sit for the sitting at the same time.
 
5. The preceptors can conduct remote group sittings in cases where there are no available local preceptors, or where the conditions are actually too difficult to participate, for example in case of bad weather. They may also include abhyasis who have good reasons not to participate in person at the satsang.
 
This new freedom requires caution and wisdom. For example, Kamlesh bhai said recently: "We should not reach that scenario where  someone would ask for a remote individual sitting while he is less than a kilometer away. No. This is what I will call an abuse of the system. You must be careful. The more freedom that was given to us, the greater also are the major responsibilities that rest on our shoulders."
 
The preceptors also received permission to give sittings remotely when there is a real demand and not in situations that defy the spiritual culture, for example, when an abhyasi wants to avoid taking a sitting with a local preceptor that he does not like, because it would lead to disharmony. Unity and brotherhood are the culture of Sahaj Marg.

 
Sthapati said:  
 
“(...) 
One very different change that is new to the Marg is our opening up (for lack of better words). Prior to now, we’ve been accessible and free to anyone who sought us – but generally only those who did the seeking on their own. In Sahaj Marg, as with many Hindu traditions, proselytizing is forbidden. And in Sahaj Marg, there have been times when remaining obscure even seemed to be encouraged so that purely and surely only those who really are seekers found our method of Raja Yoga. 
(...) 
But for Sahaj Marg that might be changing in some way currently. There’s a new “initiative” called Heartfulness that has me very excited about what the future of Sahaj Marg might look like.
(...) 
we discussed how challenging it can be for Westerners to take to foreign concepts – in this case, Indian / Hindu concepts and vocabulary 
(...) 
and that most people in the West have no idea really what words like dharma, karma, meditation, and yoga ( to name only a few ) actually mean.
(...)
So now we have this “Heartfulness” stuff. And, for lack of knowing the best way to say it, Heartfulness is Sahaj Marg without all the foreign words. It’s the very basis and basics of our practice, spelled out in Western language. When the emails and newsletters were released to abhyasis telling us about this, I read over the new resources in detail. There’s practically no mention of our lineage or the heart chakra or raja yoga – in fact, I think in all that I read, there was only a single mention of our method of yogic transmission.
(...)
I’ll admit that my initial response was one of disappointment. How can you share Sahaj Marg without sharing Sahaj Marg?!?! And then, with the help of a fantastic preceptor, it hit me: We’re not sharing Sahaj Marg. Not really. We’re essentially performing one of Sahaj Marg’s highest values which is to find the end of religion and thereby experience the beginning of spirituality. 
(...) 
Surely, our entire community will be collectively motivated and encouraged in this way by recent developments.
(...) 
The general / main link for the new initiative can be found by clicking here: Heartfulness. 
(...) 
A preceptor nearest to you will reach out to you.”


Sunday, May 03, 2015

Sahaj Marg's "Mecca"??

Translation of an article by Elodie:  "La Mecque du Sahaj Marg", on her blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg.


May 3, 2015.

 
Sahaj Marg's Mecca?

Will Kamlesh Patel change Sahaj Marg? Is he very different from Chari? His recent speeches and recent events show us that unfortunately this is not the case.



Friday, Avril 17th, 2015, Fatehgarh, Kamlesh bhai said, “The Hierarchy wants to convey that the time has come for the Mission to grow rapidly.”

 
Saturday, Avril 18th, 2015, Lucknow, he recalled Master Chariji’s advice for growing the Mission “Every abhyasi brings one new abhyasi every year.”



In his first public speaking, Kamlesh Patel called for unity. He then strongly emphasized discipline. Today, he re-launches the proselyte project of the Mission.

If one believes the Whispers (From the Brighter World), these psychic messages from the "hierarchy" of the (alleged) previous masters of Sahaj Marg, SRCM is growing and needs to accelerate the movement. Hence the increase in the powers of the preceptors by Patel, hence the creation of this new heartfulness.org website to lure people on a spiritual search, and hence the relaunching of proselytizing.

Kanha project - in pursuit of extravagant projects

In 1999, Chari inaugurated the Babuji Memorial Ashram at Manapakkam, the first "jewel" of Sahaj Marg, the first major sumptuous project of the Mission.

April 26, 2015, on the eve of the celebration of Babuji's anniversary in Lucknow, Patel attended the erection of a statue of Babuji at the building under construction at Kanha Shanti Vanam. A statue of 13 tons and almost 10 meters high, a hundred sheets of metal cast in a mold from a gold alloy of five metals.

The statue of Babuji will from now on sit above a bright star-shaped building, which will itself be the focus of a future building in the shape of a heart, to portray the aerial view of the esoteric symbol published in  whispers (From the Brighter World) .

This project Patel called the "Mecca of Sahaj Marg" (April 10, 2015) was born "with a handful of extremely dedicated abhyasis, thirty kilometers south of the new international airport in Hyderabad," because the "Mission's growth has also signified that we were financially able to tackle larger (more important?) projects. "



Nothing is Too Beautiful to Celebrate the Greatness of This Spiritual Path 

"The Masters of the past united cast their gaze on this grand work which is being built at Hyderabad.  There will be the "high place" of Sahaj Marg, where great things will be accomplished under the impulse of the current Master, Kamlesh Patel." 

"(...) Nothing is to beautiful to celebrate the greatness of this spiritual path as it will be perceived in the future. Precedents have thus marked this world; why could Sahaj Marg not accomplish this also, in the framework that is its own! (...) Large buildings around the world tell of this humanity, and this in its various forms (...). Yes, this site will be visited and appreciated, it will be highly charged, and that by God's grace (...)." (Whisper of  March 31, 2015)

Thus, "our masters have created a future for us; a future where we will be safe, free to practice and grow in these beautiful places, spiritually charged." Says Patel. As if the followers of Sahaj Marg were neither safe nor free to practice today. 

Codenamed "Kanha Shanti Vanam"

Remember what we learned from Alexis last November, that this project matured by Chari since 2008 from a living place with an ashram and living space for the abhyasis, a colony based on 4 charities created in 2010 with the acquisition of 200 to 300 ha (hectares) by this handful of a dozen (or so?) extremely dedicated abhyasis, most of which are large investors and entrepreneurs.

Let us not forget that the mission's foreign capital comes by over 50% from three people: two computer designer and pharmaceutical Indian American start-up, and (a Russian?) oligarch from Transnistria. 
Settlement (colonial?)  Projects Sahaj Marg 

By pursuing Chari's draft, Patel subscribes definitely to the continuity of his predecessor.  His program can be summarized as: Unity, Discipline and proselytism, more than ever inspired by the mediums.

Elodie


Bulletin No: 2015.42 – Tuesday April 28, 2015 :  

(…) Our beloved Chariji Maharaj had a special project close to his heart. Not many people knew about it, except towards the end. Actually, at its inception, probably only he and Mr Varma, the engineer, knew. The initial idea was to create a special grand memorial to his dear Master, Babuji Maharaj. He had already created a gem, the Babuji Memorial Ashram in Manapakkam, and at the time he was like a child, confiding he was not able to believe that this had been possible. Then time flew and new developments emerged. The idea of a beautiful samadhi for Babuji in Shahjahanpur developed along its own lines. The limiting factor there was space. The Mission grew in leaps and bounds and there was a greater need to have larger spaces for abhyasis to gather and also to live. 

The growth of the Mission also meant that we were financially able to tackle larger projects. Then came the acquisition and development of a huge area by a small band of extremely dedicated abhyasis, thirty kilometres to the south of the new international airport in Hyderabad. Chariji Maharaj chose this place for an unparalleled memorial.

His path had some years back crossed that of a very talented sculptor, Mr Prajapati, who resided in Jaipur, and he started commissioning statues from him to embellish the ashram in Manapakkam. Then came the plan for a huge statue at Kanha, to sit on top of the building dedicated to the new culture created by Babuji. This building is in the form of the heart-shaped esoteric symbol and it can be seen from aircraft flying in and out of Hyderabad. The total height is limited by the Airport Authority regulations at fifty-two feet. Over time it has become clearer that people from all over will flock to this memorial and it will become a well-known centre of light; it is so spectacular. 
On Sunday the 26th of April the statue of Babuji Maharaj was finally installed, under the supervision of beloved Kamlesh bhai. On its own, it stands at thirty feet, and it is a true work of art.

The face is so expressive and serene, and the fine hand-beaten work is lifelike in its detail. It is made of an alloy of five metals, and approximately one hundred sheets of metal cast from moulds made from the clay original were welded seamlessly together. The statue weighs thirteen tons. 

As we waited the night before, the extremely fine atmosphere of this place nurtured us. It is amazingly light. We were all left speechless at the grandeur of the design of the whole thing, and the dedication of the band of workers who are making the dream of the Masters come true. It feels as if Chariji Maharaj is overjoyed to see this.

We can only be grateful at the manner in which our Masters have created a future for us; a future where we can be safe, free to practice and to grow in such beautiful, spiritually-charged places.  
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Wednesday, April 29, 2015

Compulsive Seduction at Sahaj Marg

Translation of an article by Alexis: "Seduction Compulsive au Sahaj Marg",  on Elodie's blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg.

April 29, 2015  

Compulsive Seduction at  Sahaj Marg
 
 
After the Natural Path Meditation on MeetUp.com after the makeover of the home page of Sahajmarg.org, here Heartfulness.org is a step closer to a sanitized presentation of Sahaj Marg and the Shri Ram Chandra Mssion (SRCM) .
 
As Michael (ex-preceptor - See: Inner Circle of SRCM) said about the Natural Path Meditation, the SRCM understands that people are attracted to spirituality, but that they find gurus scary. 

Here, one finds no mention of a Master or a Guru, no mention of Sahaj Marg or of the Shri Ram Chandra Mission  (SRCM) (except in the trailer, where we find that: Sahaj Marg Spirituality Foundation Inc. is at the origin of this new website).
 

Here is a Small Exerpt:
 

Heartfulness, a spiritual adventure 
Learn to Meditate with the help of yogic transmission  
Experience the beauty of the heart 
 Experience Heartfulness  
The Way of Experience
 

Here, everything is based on aesthetics: beautiful pictures and some good evocative words with neat calligraphy. Sleek site for the pleasure of the eye and/or the senses! Everything must attract, nothing should "put one off" ... 

There are links to all the social networks! And of course, a whole stack of appointments (rendez-vous?)  whereby one can discover this "new" (and "unique"??) spiritual adventure.


Kamlesh Patel has enhanced the preceptors' field of expertise, in order for them to be able to welcome all newcomers. SRCM has spread its nets and dropped its hooks in the hope that the fishing will be good ...

Alexis
 

Sunday, March 08, 2015

Sahaj Marg: Perfection Against Chaos?

Translation of an article by Élodie: "Sahaj Marg: Perfection Contre le Chaos", on her blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg.


March 8, 2015

Sahaj Marg: Perfection Against Chaos 

The abhyasis are apparently the wise on their way to perfection. They criticize anyone or anything. These are the (self?) Righteous, representatives of Good against Evil.

Every day a message from "out there" reminds them of  "the inherent ugliness of the human race," that the world is on the edge (of the abyss? ... of the chasm?), and the abhyasis (disciples) of Sahaj Marg will be saved by making them "save their precious time".



The result: Patel's (and the Mission's)  adepts (fanatics?) are convinced of their superiority.

Everything is bad, nothing finds grace (is good?) in their eyes. Sahaj Marg is no longer defined except by its opposition to the (material?) world that surrounds it.  Having become a spirituality (or a "spiritualism"?) empty of content, it cannot be defined other than by criticizing the world from which it vainly tries to cut itself off.

The abhyasis do not criticize anyone or anything, they reject it ALL in block.


To oppose the spiritual to the material, the heart to the mind, the abhyasi (believer?)  to the miscreant (unbeliever?), the SRCM to the world, or the Good to the Evil, is to sacrifice to simplicism, (it is) to abandon pluralism and tolerance.


They are the Gentility, we are the wicked miscreants (the unbelievers?).  


The values ​​of Sahaj Marg are pride, narcissism and Manichaeism.


Elodie

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Sunday, September 28, 2014

Sahaj Marg(tm): A Very "Real Estate" Spirituality

Translation of article by Alexis: "Sahaj Marg, une spiritualité très immobilière", published on Elodie's blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg.

 
September 28, 2014   

Sahaj Marg: A Very "Real Estate" Spirituality

A new message from Alexis:  
SRCM between the subtle levels and new construction
 

In the balance of Sahaj Marg(tm) between the spiritual and the material, apparently the assets, the built and the unbuilt Mission, is growing faster than the spirituality of the most subtle levels. But all this does not matter since the Master said that the SRCM is part of a great movement of spiritual paths, which eventually will merge to influence the evolution of humanity.

Fortunately, the abhyasis of Sahaj Marg are the pioneers ...  


A quick little review of  recent press releases:  

The program of the "colonies" continues to grow (Echoes of India, September 2014) and SRCM grows in North America, at the subtle (material?) level of  construction.  (Echoes of America, June 2014).

Rural Nellore 

Abhyasis of Nellore centre have purchased 33 acres of land near Mannavarappadu village (Nellore Rural). Out of this, 5.85 acres was allocated for the construction of a meditation hall along with other facilities and the rest was divided into 300 plots. 

(…)The estimated cost for the construction is Rs. 20 lakhs; a sum of Rs. 4 lakhs has also been allocated for the construction of a toilet block.

(…) the CIC urged abhyasis to come forward for voluntary work and help to the maximum extent in the construction process to enable completion of the project in the shortest possible time. 

Hubli, Karnataka 

Keeping the future in view, fourteen acres of land have been purchased with five acres of land for the ashram and nine acres for the abhyasi’s colony. The Joint Secretary of the Mission, A.P. Durai, 

(…) asked abhyasis to build houses as early as possible in the plots they have bought because, without the colony, the whole concept of having an ashram in such a far place is futile. 

(…) it was decided to take decisive steps to develop the infrastructure and create an abhyasi community next to the ashram very soon. 

Growth of the Mission in North America 

Master has said that our Mission is part of a grand movement of spiritual paths, which will eventually merge to affect the evolution of humanity. 

The last four months have seen unprecedented growth of the Mission in North America. The abhyasi population has increased through open houses, word of mouth, Heartspeak activities and most importantly, His grace. To accommodate this growth, the number of prefects across Canada and the U.S. has increased. 

We are hearing more about the future of the Mission from Master and from Whispers, saying that the time for growth has come. Master has said that our Mission is part of a grand movement of spiritual paths, which will eventually merge to affect the evolution of humanity. To reflect this more expansive view of the future of the Mission, we are moving away from focusing only on project-specific giving and taking a longer few of seeking a more sustainable way to support our infrastructure and growth.

We are pioneers of this movement, responsible for everything from the subtle level to building facilities, trusting that Master attends to all of our needs, from the most subtle onwards. 

In 2014, North American growth is focused on having more Mission-owned centers to serve areas of large abhyasi populations, including the 

* New center in Richmond, Virginia [$815, 000 USD] 
* Expansion of the ashram in Monroe, New Jersey 
* Development of the ashram in Toronto, Canada [an egregore and a fraternity ill at ease] 
* New Meditation Hall at the Beavercreek Ashram


Alexis 
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Tuesday, June 10, 2014

Ex-Sahaj Marg(tm) Preceptor, Françoise, Says...

Translation of a comment left by Françoise: "Francoise a dit",  on Alexis's blog and posted on Élodie's blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg


Françoise said ...


Comment posted on the blog of Alexis:
 
Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Sahaj Marg and its essential components":

(I choose the name: "Anonymous" because I do not use social networks, but my name is Françoise)

I have personally been involved in the SRCM for a decade, until 2003. I practiced, I went 3 times to the main ashram in India, I met the "master", and  I was a preceptor for about 4 years. I finally gave up my practice and my preceptorship because the daily discipline of practice did not suit me anymore.  I needed to be more lazy and more informal in my meditation rhythm. That being said, I can not thank Sahaj Marg enough for having crossed my path. This is an approach that has taught me to face myself with confidence and rather than attract me to a utopia, it taught me more than ever to include a certain spiritual aspiration with real life.

So yes, there are in some (not required) devotion and surrender to the physical master but this is especially cultural. In India, even a student of a tabla (drum)  teacher calls his teacher a guru and he is infinitely dedicated. It is true that some Westerners take the path of this devotion, but Christ was a human being (magnificent -it seems, but a human being nonetheless) in which Christians see God. If this is not a spiritual guru, then what! And then, in Catholicism, even the priests are said to be invested with some divine powers, right? Especially when they perform the sacraments. And the sermon is the word of the priest that all the faithful are supposed to swallow ... In Sahaj Marg, I have  learned more to listen to myself, than I had in my Christian education.  The master to whom I have learned to listen to more, in Sahaj Marg, is the interior master in all of us ...

So yes, I happened to come across abyasis (meditators) who were (pseudo?, sarcasm?) "illuminated", others placing in all their sentences: "The master said that ...", but I saw the same thing in the Christian camps when I was young. I particularly remember a totally crazy nun.

In short, the SRCM never extorted money nor sought to get me away from my community or my work (to the contrary... ), nor sought to put me under the mental influence of someone or sought to prevent me from renouncing Sajaj Marg when I left, I do not quite understand why some people absolutely want to see sectarian aberrations.
 
 Aberrations are due to some people, I do not know of any,  but there must be some, it is still (after all)  a movement of some international scale, so it is inevitable and it is necessary that the affected families be very careful, but such abuses are unfortunately the lot of all spiritual movements, right? Catholics, Muslims and Jews have their excesses also some very serious (pedophilia, terrorism ...) This does not mean that they are treated as sects. (cults?)  Bizzarely, and  moreover, the excesses of the great religions, they are called by various ways, but rarely "sectarian" (cultish?) ...

Françoise

Initial reactions:

4d-Don said....

Hi Francoise...

What about  SPIRITUALISM you sold as "spirituality" at Sahaj Marg(tm)?  

What about the yearly spiritualist books of "500-600 messages (Whispers?) from the dead Babuji" as channeled by the "Anonymous French Lady Medium", sold as "The Bible of Sahaj Marg"??   Now, using the "new and natural" Easy Path,  is The Brighter World (or the Central Region) still as "un-attainable" as Babuji used to preach when he was living, or is it now: EASY to reach??

Did you, as a preceptor,  not buy the "Whispers" at the exhorbitant (extortion?)  price they asked?  Or did you simply try and sell it to those they call the: "serfs" (what you call the "abhyasis")?   

Did you not buy the food at their "restaurants" (and did you refuse to participate in the "scam",  that the cost of your meals were called: "donations", allegedly written on the back of your food receipts ... so that SRCM would  avoid the various local sale taxes??) ... Did you use the  mission's "travel agents", rentals, etc...?  

And, as a preceptor, did you not try and sell the "iconography", the books, the photos, etc ...  and the products, which your "religion" was pushing on the "marks", with the preceptors (priests?)  as the salesmen and the promoters (proselytizers)?  Did you collect any of the membership dues?

Did you not proselytize and try to promote their "easy path" (what you now find "not so easy") meditation to your friends and family??  Were you made the "con" (from "confidence")  who was trying to "convert" his/her acquaintances?

Religions are one example of "extortion", but of the "volunteers" and the "pseudo-illuminated"  who really, really want to be "extorted" ...  To be TAKEN and then to be "saved" of course!!

Who is "responsible" at Sahaj Marg?  At SRCM(California-1997)?  The Master or the disciples??   

 

Alexis said ...

@ Francoise,

Sectarianism is not only the prerogative of Sahaj Marg and the spiritual movements, as you say. Religions also have their own excesses. Yes of course, of course! I would even add that they are not alone: some political parties and other movements show a certain sectarian bent ...
 
If you are waiting for a confirmation from me, you have it ... and very much so! But these abuses are pointed to by many others in various media. I will not go into details,  here is not the place ...
 
All the great spiritual movements have sectarian aberrations. SRCM and Sahaj Marg are no longer on safe ground. Growing (in size and age), Sahaj Marg borrows all the codes (rites, rituals)  of religion, all these codes which are loudly denounced, including their aberrations.
 
But why then is Chari so critical vis-à-vis religions and why does he never criticise himself or his movement?
 
To denounce others and to not challenge one's self is a little too easy ...

Alexis 

 
Elodie said ...

Hello Francoise,

Babuji and the  SRCM & Sahaj Marg claim to be the only spiritual path that achieves the goal without giving up one's social and family life (grihastha), as opposed to sannyasins who withdraw from the world.
 
Start by recognizing that you could not keep pace with the practices imposed by Chari, this is further evidence that there is misrepresentation of the product, not to call them: lies.
 
You also confirm that there are among the Abhyasis of "illumitated", people who swear only by the master ("Chariji said ...") in some, it is "devotion and surrender to the physical master."
 
Explaining these behaviors only by cultural differences West / East seems to be an easy shortcut. SRCM constantly uses this argument without trying to solve the underlying problem. It's too easy, especially as Chari is fluent with Western culture.  At the time of Babuji, Chari was considered a Westerner among the  senior preceptors,  among his countrymen.
 
"The sermon is the word of the priest that all the faithful are supposed to swallow," you say; but the speech of Chari and the Whispers of  Babuji are still better gobbled / ingested / absorbed by all Abhyasis.   Overall, Christians seem to show more clairvoyance when meeting with their priests or  the Pope, than the Abhyasis when they meet their Gurus.
 
Affectionately,

Elodie

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