Taken and translated from an article: Marriage, Sex, Amour... Les Perles de Chari, by Alexis on Elodie's blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg
Comments by 4d-Don are in "red italics"
January 7, 2011
Marriage, sex and love ... Chari's Pearls of Wisdom?
Love! French Style
Ah! ... love, love ... (l'amour!!)
No! Chari is not obsessed with sex and love, he just gives that impression ...
Judge for yourself. Read these exerpts selected from his speeches from October 12th, to December 18th, 2010:
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So you see, it is from below to the top or the other way down, when churches condone same-sex marriages, perform same-sex marriages. Soon a day will come when perhaps, in Athens or Barcelona or somewhere, you will find a man marrying a cow. (...) – Speech of 12/10/2010
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The heart no longer features in our human equations — not even in the much vaunted field of love (l’amour). The heart has lost its place; therefore all the misery in the world, the divorces, repeated divorces, multiplicity of liaisons.
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Today’s world is full of children who hate their parents. “I hate my Mummy. I hate my Daddy.” Why? Because Mummy and Daddy are not Mummy and Daddy; they are just sex partners who have produced me and have left, so that we have these beautiful institutions called single-parent family. How can a child have a single parent? So when you break what should be whole, you have destroyed. So you see, everything follows from love which has become degraded, de-humanized, and become merely an animal thing; of couplings producing unwanted babies, who at best are left on the church step for adoption, and at worst become children of parents who are not their parents. (…) – Speech of 14/10/2010
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So, you cannot expect love without loving. Now in the modern world, it is very commonly used, “Darling, love me.” What does it mean? It generally refers to sex. It is only said in bed. But sex is not love. Love may be sex, but sex by itself is not love. You find it in the bazaars of any city or town or village. It goes by the name of love. And without love, if it is done, they still call it love-making. How can you make love? You can love but you cannot make love. So don’t be shy that I am speaking in front of ladies because you are all grown up, you all know what I am speaking about. It is possible to have ultimate sex through all your lives without ever having loved even your husband. Ditto for the males, who can do it probably much more, without ever loving their wives. And when this sacred bond between a husband and wife is misused like this, what to speak of the public? What to speak of morality?
Without love, true morality is impossible. Because then, like many people of the West, you just say, “Honey, it is just another hunger.” You are thirsty. You are hungry for food. You are hungry for sex. When skin touches skin there is no sin, and when two are agreed on it, it is allowed. Consensual sex, it is called you know, and everybody finds out; that is why sex is growing in such an enormous proportion. Everybody finds out that sex without love produces no result. Therefore you go on looking for it again and again in repetitive, sinful acts, it takes you nowhere. It is mere indulgence without any satisfaction, any emotional value. And as Chakrapani said in his morning’s speech, you become more and more hateful to yourself, and because you cannot hate yourself and harm yourself, you lash out at society. You become a criminal, you become a terrorist. “If I cannot kill myself, let me kill a hundred of them.” (…) – Speech of 30/11/2010
Now that is SIMPLISTIC!
This is the so-called Master who arranges marriages for his followers. Where is LOVE in his equation? Or where is the love in the "sheep" who leave and disrespect and divide their own families to follow this un-loving materialist "false guru" and his un-loving followers?
Why is "terrorism" not prevalent among the "French", and/or other "liberal" (non-religious) societies? China? Is "terrorism" a RELIGIOUS phenomenon? The other face of: "Thou shall not KILL"?
Are the RELIGIOUS really and truly "peaceful"?? Is Islam? Judaism? Christianity? Do they not divide by definition, claiming to be "CHOSEN", or "special", the "preferred of God" (Cain & Abel), and hence create an enemy who is then vilified and "demonized", and eventually to be "destroyed".
Chari calls us, the bloggers who disagree with HIM, the "enemies of Spirituality"... coming from a "materialist" and his gang of DEVELOPERS who spend their lives in, and at the trough of the MATERIAL, I take that as a "compliment" ... Let's get that straight. I am the exposer of SPIRITUALISM, I call it a "scam"... I am not its "enemy" as I let it exist. ... But, I am not spiritualist, materialist, nationalist, imperialist, or a magalomaniac like THEM (Chari and Sahaj Marg(tm) !!
How many houses and hotels and Ashrams (Churches) is enough for the addict to the material? No amount is ever enough to satiate the desires of the religious evangelists and/or the nationalist imperialist developers addicted to numbers and the material!
It is up to the people to limit their growth ... don't join them, and don't feed their materialist desires: numbers! to INFINITY. Infinity which has a beginning but no end (i.e. x=x+1 and/or x=x-1) ... replace it by BEING in MOTION in space for (not "to") ETERNITY, which has no beginning and no end. (see how ouroboros creates an n ... dimensional "torus" shape: ouroboros)
... in other words, Liberate them from their infinite materialism and their SPIRITUALIST scam, by replacing it with an eternal SPIRITUALITY, a REALITY with no beginning and no end, no goal, no gang, and no "ultimate" ANYTHING! ... Just BE!! The Journey is the THING!! ;-))
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People are not scared of sex, of SIDA (AIDS); they are scared of marriage. Why are you scared of marriage? A shrug is the answer. And there are so many couples where I have met the husband and the wife, and they say, "My suitcase is packed." "But," I say, "you have been married eighteen years, twenty years, fifteen years." "Yes, but you know how it is, Chari." That is the answer. Does this point to a happy, adjusted, real life, or does it point to some sort of artificial life when we all think we are happy, when we all think we are modern, living in a family as a group? And, like the world, we are expecting separation and unhappiness all the time.(…) – Discours du 18/12/2010
About sex and marriage, Chari would do well to read one of our French philosophers, Luc Ferry and his book "The Revolution of Love. " It describes the transition from the traditional marriage, a patrimonial institution which united two families, their property and their names in a marriage of love, a social manifestation of the loving bond between two people.
But it is precisely because we began to marry for love that we began to divorce and re-marry. The legacy of this revolution is also the failure of "marriage for life", and thus the normalization of divorce and step-families (or "extended families").
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Saturday, January 08, 2011
Wednesday, November 24, 2010
Blatant Colour (Race?) and Sexual Orientation Discrimination by Babuji and Chari of Sahaj Marg (tm) and SRCM (California-1997), a Member of UNDPI
This is from Sahaj Marg, Raja Yoga Meditation
(Sahaj Marg (tm) is not Raja Yoga either, beginning at step #7 of Patanjali's eightfold system, they just claim to be) ...
This is how they support the ideals of UN Human Rights at SRCM (California-1997)... (see two previous articles on this blog):
Babuji, Sahaj Marg and "skin complexion"! Colour Discrimination?
Racism at Sahaj Marg(tm)! The Two Faces of Religion!
Then read Chari's stand on "homosexuality" (Chari's idea of Human Rights for our gay, lesbian, and trans-gender "brothers and sisters") ... that is what you, the abhyasis support and promote?? Human Rights ?? At Sahaj Marg, they promote equality for everyone except homosexuals, women, and specially "darker" women... and of course, they (their Master, Chari) attack all other cultures and religions as corrupt and racist (or worse), and, according to them, no other culture has SPIRITUALITY except them!!:
Mr. Chari of Sahaj Marg(tm)... Recall your HOMOPHOBIC SPEECH!
Now, ladies and gentlemen, an other of the many faces of Spiritualist Sahaj Marg (tm). The face they show the obedient (gullible) and co-dependent abhyasis and the world (lies, un-truths and damn lies) :
United Nations Events:
That is our SECULAR gift! A gift from the logical BRAIN. As we now know from recent research at the University of Syracuse, USA, "love" is not solely from (nor of) the heart, but mostly of the brain. It is a gift from the loving BRAIN!!
The stomach can have "butterflies" when one is in love, but one does not claim that one loves with the stomach ... although, I think that some (religious fanatics?) get "orgasmic pleasure" from food, as they seem to revel in "feasts"!! Food, for some, is a replacement for "love" ... hence the many overweight religious adepts ... ;-)) "No sex please, we're spiritual! "
Use your heart to think, and like them, become irrational, illogical and "racist, sexist, nepotist, etc...". Or use the brain and become logical and hopefully, more "loving"!! No guarantees!! But we see in Religion, the product of using the heart to think !! We see the blatant moral and ethical bankruptcy of those who search for ONE or One-ness (what some call "god") in the heart, the PUMP!!
And it's not HOLY!! And according to some "darkies" (slava), it's not very SPIRITUAL !!
It is SPIRITUALISM though!! It is also a SHAM*... And maybe even a SCAM*!! A con??
* SHAM: (from Merriam Webster Dictionnary ... definition #2):
2. : cheap falseness : hypocrisy (... saw through the hollowness, the sham, the silliness of the empty pageant ... (Oscar Wilde)
(Sahaj Marg (tm) is not Raja Yoga either, beginning at step #7 of Patanjali's eightfold system, they just claim to be) ...
This is how they support the ideals of UN Human Rights at SRCM (California-1997)... (see two previous articles on this blog):
Babuji, Sahaj Marg and "skin complexion"! Colour Discrimination?
Racism at Sahaj Marg(tm)! The Two Faces of Religion!
Then read Chari's stand on "homosexuality" (Chari's idea of Human Rights for our gay, lesbian, and trans-gender "brothers and sisters") ... that is what you, the abhyasis support and promote?? Human Rights ?? At Sahaj Marg, they promote equality for everyone except homosexuals, women, and specially "darker" women... and of course, they (their Master, Chari) attack all other cultures and religions as corrupt and racist (or worse), and, according to them, no other culture has SPIRITUALITY except them!!:
Mr. Chari of Sahaj Marg(tm)... Recall your HOMOPHOBIC SPEECH!
Now, ladies and gentlemen, an other of the many faces of Spiritualist Sahaj Marg (tm). The face they show the obedient (gullible) and co-dependent abhyasis and the world (lies, un-truths and damn lies) :
United Nations Events:
March 21, 2010 - United Nations International Day for the Elimination of Racial Discrimination
In 1966 the United Nations General Assembly proclaimed March 21st the International Day for the Elimination of Racial Discrimination, and in doing so called on the international community to redouble its efforts to eliminate all forms of racial discrimination. On March 21st people across the globe will engage in activities promoting equality and tolerance in accordance with the ideals and objectives of the UN Charter.
Shri Ram Chandra Mission centres and their members (abhyasis) in United States will organize and participate in informational and prayer events commemorating the International Day for the Elimination of Racial Discrimination. At these events, abhyasis and their friends, families, neighbors and associates will come together in a silent, non-denominational prayer-meditation for the integration of humanity and the well-being of the people of the world.
From the Sahaj Marg(tm) Web Site: (Lies? Where is the UNDPI?)
As an international non-governmental organization that works in support of the public good and fulfills the principles outlined in the UN Charter, the Shri Ram Chandra Mission joins more than 1,500 other non-governmental organizations worldwide currently associated with the UN DPI.
4d-Don said:
If you, at Sahaj Marg(tm), want LESS DISCRIMINATION (including colour and racial and/or gender and sexual orientation discrimination) and if you want to promote the protection of universal HUMAN RIGHTS in our world, then, begin in your own back-yard and educate your racist Masters !! Refuse to follow and promote RACISTS and their racism!!
Racism is not from ONE (What some call God). The fair-skinned (humans who are not "slava" or dark) are not more spiritual or more "chosen" !! ... Many of the human-rights violation are perpetrated by "RELIGION", religious/spiritualist (not the truly "spiritual", but the pseudo-spiritual), and nationalist groups, the leaders of which sometimes opportunistically preach against "racism" and give the illusion of being in favour of the protection of "human rights", but for their flocks, as they blatantly discriminate against some women (not men) for being "slava" (dark), and not of the right "cut" (shape??) or "height" !
And then, READ the homophobic statements by Chari, their self-appointed President and pseudo-Master!
But why the hypocrisy? Why the "Two Faces"? To belong to the UNDPI? How Opportunistic! How un-spiritual! How deceitful! How dishonest!!
Why do they want to belong to UNDPI? Opportunism is what we claimed for years ... Obviously not because they live the UN ideal on human rights. Now in their Newsletter, Echoes of North America, June, 2010 issue, an abhyasi confirms our allegations. Read this:
SRCM (California-1997) and the UNDPI... A confession!
It is a great example of what Sahaj Marg is, always was, and/or has become ... and which is now EXPOSED!!
If we, the fair-skinned, become like them, we will also discriminate against those who are darker than we are!! THEM!! We may also, like them believe that we must then have been "CHOSEN" by ONE to "liberate" them (the "less than") from their petty tribalism, their "racism, sexism, nepotism, nationalism, imperialism, and thus SAVE them ...
We, the "fair-skinned", according to their reasoning (of lack of), must be "more than", hence we must be chosen by ONE to be their Masters, their Messiahs!! Their Saviours!! Their GODS!!
;-)) lol lol lol ... NOT this ... NOT that!!
That is our SECULAR gift! A gift from the logical BRAIN. As we now know from recent research at the University of Syracuse, USA, "love" is not solely from (nor of) the heart, but mostly of the brain. It is a gift from the loving BRAIN!!
The stomach can have "butterflies" when one is in love, but one does not claim that one loves with the stomach ... although, I think that some (religious fanatics?) get "orgasmic pleasure" from food, as they seem to revel in "feasts"!! Food, for some, is a replacement for "love" ... hence the many overweight religious adepts ... ;-)) "No sex please, we're spiritual! "
Use your heart to think, and like them, become irrational, illogical and "racist, sexist, nepotist, etc...". Or use the brain and become logical and hopefully, more "loving"!! No guarantees!! But we see in Religion, the product of using the heart to think !! We see the blatant moral and ethical bankruptcy of those who search for ONE or One-ness (what some call "god") in the heart, the PUMP!!
And it's not HOLY!! And according to some "darkies" (slava), it's not very SPIRITUAL !!
It is SPIRITUALISM though!! It is also a SHAM*... And maybe even a SCAM*!! A con??
* SHAM: (from Merriam Webster Dictionnary ... definition #2):
2. : cheap falseness : hypocrisy (... saw through the hollowness, the sham, the silliness of the empty pageant ... (Oscar Wilde)
* SCAM (From Merriam Webster Dictionnary ... the only definition)
1. : a fraudulent or deceptive act or operation (an insurance scam)
Synonyms: flimflam, hustle, shell game, con (con-fidence game?... "trust me"? ), swindle, etc...
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Saturday, November 06, 2010
Sahaj Marg(tm), Moral Degradation And The UNDPI
Taken and translated from an article called: "Dégradation Morale", on Elodie's blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg. The article is from a comment by Frank Waalkijk, ex Zonal-in-Charge of Chari's Shri Ram Chandra Mission (California-1997), for the Netherlands.
SRCM (California-1997) Chari's Group is a member of the UN DPI (Department of Public Information) and as such SRCM (California-1997) is duty-bound to promote the ideals and goals of the UN organization ... They are "delinquent" on HUMAN RIGHTS ...
PS Comments and insertions (translations) by 4d-Don are in "red italics"
Moral degradation
Frank Waaldijk, a former Dutch Zonal-in-Charge, who resigned from Chari's group (SRCM California-1997), posted this comment, which follows the previous remarks by 4d-Don in October about Chari speech in which he speaks of homosexuality and AIDS. Here is his message, translated by myself. May he not find any insult on my part, I wish I could speak Dutch as fluently as he speaks French.
Frank Said:
Don has just written a comment on the previous article.
"Chari, in his October 2010 speech to preceptors, points (with three fingers pointing to itself) a finger at the Catholic Pope, who apparently has offered a special prayer for the poor who are suffering from AIDS ... Chari's called this "moral degradation" ... because the Pope did not offer prayers for those suffering from other diseases (especially at this time) ..."
"And Sahaj Marg (tm) them, they pray for peace so as to coat themselves with the UN flag and have a bit of credibility with people who do not know them ... while declaring war against their "old preceptors and prefects" who did not want to serve Chari ...
And their "special prayer" for peace, while forgetting floods, earthquakes, fires, etc.. ... etc.. ... For them it is a sign of "holiness" ... or SPIRITUALITY!"
I saw that the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, Navanethem Pillay has recently published a speech in the Washington Post on "Homophobia, Violence and Intolerance" (see here: http://www.un.org/ecosocdev/geninfo/afrec/newrels/homophobia.html )
There, she says that it is the clear responsibility of authority figures to fight against discrimination towards gay people:
"But as important as decriminalization is, it is only a first step. We know from experience in those countries that have already removed criminal sanctions that greater, concerted efforts are needed to counter discrimination and homophobia, including both legislative and educational initiatives. Here again, we all have a role to play, particularly those in positions of authority and influence — including politicians, community leaders, teachers and journalists.
Sadly, too often those who should be exercising restraint or using their influence to promote tolerance do just the opposite, reinforcing popular prejudice."
Me, I don't understand how in the Ashrams, at Vraads Sande for example (European headquarter for SRCM (California-1997), located in Denmark) , they want to celebrate "Human Rights Day" (of the UN), when their Master states in his speech of Oct.12, 2010 (as Don has indicated) :
"...People like Bill Gates, he is willing to give billions, for AIDS. Even the pope, when Babuji Maharaj and I were [unintelligible] (in the Vatican) some years ago, said a special prayer for AIDS sufferers. This shows our moral degradation, you see. They don't want the tuberculotic patients, paralytic patients, heart patients..., the idea being that these people are rich enough to afford their own cure.
THAT is moral degradation, when a pope says [Chari chuckles] a special prayer [chuckles again].
So you see, it is from below to the top or the other way down ... when churches condone same-sex marriages, perform same-sex marriages. Soon a day will come when perhaps in ... or ... [unintelligible place names] (in Athens or in Barcelona, or something like that...) you'll find a man marrying a cow."
If Chari's fictional "a man" is gay or homosexual, he may want to marry a "bull" ... but Chari's whole premise is "bull-crap" ... to be gay or homosexual does not mean to be into "bestiality" ...
One can hardly call that "consentual sex". But again, Chari's whole premise is "bull-crap" anyway ... to be gay or homosexual does not mean to be into "bestiality" or any other deviancy. Why stop at a "cow"... why not a "key hole" or a "picnic table"?? Or the planet, like so many profiteering "businessmen"??
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To all Abhyasis who still have a "conscience" or some moral fibre:
Send this to the UNDPI (which could be intercepted as Chari has a preceptor who works at the UN), and send a copy directly to Navanethem Pillay at her UN address ... request a revocation of the Membership of SRCM (California-1997) from the UN DPI (Department of Public Information)
If Chari's homophobic Speeches are not "RECALLED" immediately (people are dying and are being beaten and tortured) ... then do the moral thing, think with your brain, dis-obey, and RESIGN your membership to this Group of "hate-mongers". Homosexuality, sex between consenting adults of the same gender, is not called "Bestiality"!! ... The Pope or Bill Gates are not "morally degraded" because of their acts or words mentionned above. (See Also: Chari's other "pearls of wisdom" in other speeches below...)
ACT NOW!! Demand a RECALL of this and other SPEECHES... Muzzle your "bull in a china shop" before other "HUMANS" are injured or killed.
Or force (demand) SRCM (California-1997) to resign its membership to UNDPI... or WALK! PROTEST! AGITATE! RISE UP!!
Navanethem Pillay
OHCHR address:
Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR)
Palais Wilson
52 rue des Pâquis
CH-1201 Geneva, Switzerland
Send copies to:
Africa Renewal On-line
Editor-in-Chief: Masimba Tafirenyika
Managing Editor: Ernest Harsch
Africa Section, DPI
Room M-16031
United Nations
New York, NY 10017 USA
Send copies and these our links to the Washinton Post and other MEDIA!! Request an article on this group's HOMOPHOBIA!!
Blogger Elodie said ...
Hello everyone,
First a very big thank you to Frank for having transcribed this exerpt of Chari's speech of October 12, 2010, already mentioned by 4d-Don.
"A day will come when a man marries a cow."
What a fine example of tolerance Chari gives us. He advocates his so-called tolerance and love for others.
Here are some fine examples. As soon as he talks about religion or sexuality, no more rhetoric, his nature changes its spots. It is hatred that comes to live in his heart if indeed he has other things in his heart.
The true face of this man shows through so clearly.
I am shocked, outraged. Outraged to have one day dared follow that individual who can only speak with hatred about people which he simply does not understand.
Babuji, from the depths of his Brighter World, could perhaps explain what homosexuality is, and how to not be jealous of the Pope, or how to not have hatred for the forms of sexuality which make him so afraid.
To hear him, we could assume that the Pope is responsible for the day when a man marries a cow. This is a fine example of the amalgamation which he practices and which was denounced by Lea. (see earlier comments)
But this goes much further. By getting the abhyasis to laugh with him about these statements, Chari aligns himself and is now in the category of many other populist leaders, very fashionable in these times of general crisis.
Is spirituality homophobic and populist? Sahaj Marg (tm), and Chari certainly are.
Excuse my anger, but he has gone one step further into abjection.
Affectionately,
Elodie
Saturday, November 6, 2010
See Also More INTOLERANCE:
The Two Faces of Love at Sahaj Marg(tm)
Mr. Chari of Sahaj Marg(tm)! Recall your Homophobic Speech!!
SRCM(California-1997) and the UNDPI... A Confession!
Sahaj Marg(tm) and Homosexuality!
Chari-ty Creates A "Gay-bashing" Egregore!
Sahaj Marg's Ultimate Character!! (and the Homosexual issue)
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SRCM (California-1997) Chari's Group is a member of the UN DPI (Department of Public Information) and as such SRCM (California-1997) is duty-bound to promote the ideals and goals of the UN organization ... They are "delinquent" on HUMAN RIGHTS ...
PS Comments and insertions (translations) by 4d-Don are in "red italics"
Moral degradation
Frank Waaldijk, a former Dutch Zonal-in-Charge, who resigned from Chari's group (SRCM California-1997), posted this comment, which follows the previous remarks by 4d-Don in October about Chari speech in which he speaks of homosexuality and AIDS. Here is his message, translated by myself. May he not find any insult on my part, I wish I could speak Dutch as fluently as he speaks French.
Frank Said:
Don has just written a comment on the previous article.
"Chari, in his October 2010 speech to preceptors, points (with three fingers pointing to itself) a finger at the Catholic Pope, who apparently has offered a special prayer for the poor who are suffering from AIDS ... Chari's called this "moral degradation" ... because the Pope did not offer prayers for those suffering from other diseases (especially at this time) ..."
"And Sahaj Marg (tm) them, they pray for peace so as to coat themselves with the UN flag and have a bit of credibility with people who do not know them ... while declaring war against their "old preceptors and prefects" who did not want to serve Chari ...
And their "special prayer" for peace, while forgetting floods, earthquakes, fires, etc.. ... etc.. ... For them it is a sign of "holiness" ... or SPIRITUALITY!"
I saw that the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, Navanethem Pillay has recently published a speech in the Washington Post on "Homophobia, Violence and Intolerance" (see here: http://www.un.org/ecosocdev/geninfo/afrec/newrels/homophobia.html )
There, she says that it is the clear responsibility of authority figures to fight against discrimination towards gay people:
"But as important as decriminalization is, it is only a first step. We know from experience in those countries that have already removed criminal sanctions that greater, concerted efforts are needed to counter discrimination and homophobia, including both legislative and educational initiatives. Here again, we all have a role to play, particularly those in positions of authority and influence — including politicians, community leaders, teachers and journalists.
Sadly, too often those who should be exercising restraint or using their influence to promote tolerance do just the opposite, reinforcing popular prejudice."
Me, I don't understand how in the Ashrams, at Vraads Sande for example (European headquarter for SRCM (California-1997), located in Denmark) , they want to celebrate "Human Rights Day" (of the UN), when their Master states in his speech of Oct.12, 2010 (as Don has indicated) :
"...People like Bill Gates, he is willing to give billions, for AIDS. Even the pope, when Babuji Maharaj and I were [unintelligible] (in the Vatican) some years ago, said a special prayer for AIDS sufferers. This shows our moral degradation, you see. They don't want the tuberculotic patients, paralytic patients, heart patients..., the idea being that these people are rich enough to afford their own cure.
THAT is moral degradation, when a pope says [Chari chuckles] a special prayer [chuckles again].
So you see, it is from below to the top or the other way down ... when churches condone same-sex marriages, perform same-sex marriages. Soon a day will come when perhaps in ... or ... [unintelligible place names] (in Athens or in Barcelona, or something like that...) you'll find a man marrying a cow."
If Chari's fictional "a man" is gay or homosexual, he may want to marry a "bull" ... but Chari's whole premise is "bull-crap" ... to be gay or homosexual does not mean to be into "bestiality" ...
One can hardly call that "consentual sex". But again, Chari's whole premise is "bull-crap" anyway ... to be gay or homosexual does not mean to be into "bestiality" or any other deviancy. Why stop at a "cow"... why not a "key hole" or a "picnic table"?? Or the planet, like so many profiteering "businessmen"??
.
.
.
To all Abhyasis who still have a "conscience" or some moral fibre:
Send this to the UNDPI (which could be intercepted as Chari has a preceptor who works at the UN), and send a copy directly to Navanethem Pillay at her UN address ... request a revocation of the Membership of SRCM (California-1997) from the UN DPI (Department of Public Information)
If Chari's homophobic Speeches are not "RECALLED" immediately (people are dying and are being beaten and tortured) ... then do the moral thing, think with your brain, dis-obey, and RESIGN your membership to this Group of "hate-mongers". Homosexuality, sex between consenting adults of the same gender, is not called "Bestiality"!! ... The Pope or Bill Gates are not "morally degraded" because of their acts or words mentionned above. (See Also: Chari's other "pearls of wisdom" in other speeches below...)
ACT NOW!! Demand a RECALL of this and other SPEECHES... Muzzle your "bull in a china shop" before other "HUMANS" are injured or killed.
Or force (demand) SRCM (California-1997) to resign its membership to UNDPI... or WALK! PROTEST! AGITATE! RISE UP!!
Navanethem Pillay
OHCHR address:
Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR)
Palais Wilson
52 rue des Pâquis
CH-1201 Geneva, Switzerland
Send copies to:
Africa Renewal On-line
Editor-in-Chief: Masimba Tafirenyika
Managing Editor: Ernest Harsch
Africa Section, DPI
Room M-16031
United Nations
New York, NY 10017 USA
Send copies and these our links to the Washinton Post and other MEDIA!! Request an article on this group's HOMOPHOBIA!!
Blogger Elodie said ...
Hello everyone,
First a very big thank you to Frank for having transcribed this exerpt of Chari's speech of October 12, 2010, already mentioned by 4d-Don.
"A day will come when a man marries a cow."
What a fine example of tolerance Chari gives us. He advocates his so-called tolerance and love for others.
Here are some fine examples. As soon as he talks about religion or sexuality, no more rhetoric, his nature changes its spots. It is hatred that comes to live in his heart if indeed he has other things in his heart.
The true face of this man shows through so clearly.
I am shocked, outraged. Outraged to have one day dared follow that individual who can only speak with hatred about people which he simply does not understand.
Babuji, from the depths of his Brighter World, could perhaps explain what homosexuality is, and how to not be jealous of the Pope, or how to not have hatred for the forms of sexuality which make him so afraid.
To hear him, we could assume that the Pope is responsible for the day when a man marries a cow. This is a fine example of the amalgamation which he practices and which was denounced by Lea. (see earlier comments)
But this goes much further. By getting the abhyasis to laugh with him about these statements, Chari aligns himself and is now in the category of many other populist leaders, very fashionable in these times of general crisis.
Is spirituality homophobic and populist? Sahaj Marg (tm), and Chari certainly are.
Excuse my anger, but he has gone one step further into abjection.
Affectionately,
Elodie
Saturday, November 6, 2010
See Also More INTOLERANCE:
The Two Faces of Love at Sahaj Marg(tm)
Mr. Chari of Sahaj Marg(tm)! Recall your Homophobic Speech!!
SRCM(California-1997) and the UNDPI... A Confession!
Sahaj Marg(tm) and Homosexuality!
Chari-ty Creates A "Gay-bashing" Egregore!
Sahaj Marg's Ultimate Character!! (and the Homosexual issue)
.
Saturday, July 03, 2010
Mr. Chari Of Sahaj Marg(tm)! Recall your HOMOPHOBIC SPEECH!!
More arrested for "Gay-Bashing" in Vancouver!!
While Chari, President of the Shri Ram Chandra Mission (SRCM (California-1997), and Master of its spiritual Method called: Sahaj Marg (tm), still refuses to recall his homophobic speech, more Gays and/or Lesbians (our "brothers and sisters") are assaulted and beaten in Vancouver, B.C. (Canada).
The Gay, Lesbian and Trans-gender community has publicly stated that assaults from the Indo ethnic community, due to "sexual preference" (now a hate crime), is on the rise. They have asked for the support from the "ethnic community" leaders and members, to assist in addressing this increase in assaults ...
Members of the SRCM (California-1997) and disciples of this Master (Chari) and their METHOD, Sahaj Marg(tm), could show their compassion for their so-called Canadian "brothers and sisters", and also display their true spirituality, by writing and asking their Master to recall the anti-gay statements in his homophobic speech included here. (see below for excerpt)
If Chari, the Master, does not recall his speech, then the moral "seekers" could show some moral fiber and fortitude and resign from his spiritualist MISSION and seek true SPIRITUALITY elsewhere! Maybe in a more TRULY loving, and "brotherly and sisterly", and not so divisive environment, and/or in a not so "corrupt" RELIGION, as Chari likes to call all RELIGIONS, compassion could be found!! If the Guru-in-waiting of Sahaj Marg (tm), Ajay Kumar Bhatter, can resign as he has done recently, then the disciples could also show some personal integrity and some REAL Spirituality by making a statement and resigning !!
Michael (ex-preceptor of Sahaj Marg) has stated: "The effectiveness of a meditation practice is NOT what is experienced during meditation, but is in fact the behavior of practitioners when they are NOT meditating."
The Shri Ram Chandra Mission ( SRCM (California-1997), is registered as a CHARITY in Canada, and it should operate according to the laws of the land. Homosexuals (gays, lesbians and trans-genders) are now protected by law and have equal "human rights" in Canada ... which means that Charities registered in Canada should not engage in homophobia, if they want to legally collect their "charity" in Canada, to bring to their country and build and/or purchase their Ashrams, Private schools, retreat centers, and other various "real estate" ... We in Canada, don't want our charity dollars to promote such divisiveness and hatred towards our minorities here and/or around our global world.
Let your Members of Parliament, Legislative Assembly, and/or your Canada Revenue Agency (CRA) know of your concerns about this Charity and its "divisive" Master! (CRA-Charities list ... (Enter: Shri Ram Chandra Mission - North York, Ontario)
SHAME ... SHAME ... SHAME ... in the name of God again!!
The abhyasis must be really addicted (not loving as they claim) to remain in such a morally bankrupt and co-dependent gang!! "My country (gang) right or wrong", eh?
Have you all forgotten what is RIGHT?? How will the world change if you are also WRONG, and want to indoctrinate the children with your WRONG teachings, using our "charity" dollars to spread such "hatred" towards our citizens; hatred that could incite "hate crimes" by some? You are calling that: CHARITY??
First you show religious intolerance by insulting all religions, then you attack and divide from one another and separate the families of your members, and then you oppress the MINORITIES !!
" Get ye to a nunnery (un-) fair Ophelia!!" (Shakespeare in "Hamlet")
See the various articles as a sampling of some of the Vancouver area Media:
Xtra (Canada's Gay and Lesbian News) :
http://www.xtra.ca/public/Vancouver/Arrests_in_Keefer_St_gaybashing-8875.aspx
CTV.bc News (Brothers Arrested in Suspected Vancouver Gay Bashing)
http://www.xtra.ca/public/Vancouver/Arrests_in_Keefer_St_gaybashing-8875.aspx
Straight.com (Vancouver's Online Source) (Two Richmond Brothers Charged in Vancouver Gay Bashing)
http://www.straight.com/article-332053/vancouver/two-richmond-brothers-charged-gay-bashing-attack-peter-regier-and-david-holtzman
The Province (Four arrested in relation to two gay bashing incidents)
http://www.theprovince.com/news/Four+arrested+relation+bashing+attacks/3226472/story.html
Here is the shameful "gay-bashing" section (exerpt) of a speech by Chari (President of Shri Ram Chandra Mission - SRCM (California-1997) and Master of Sahaj Marg (tm) (notice the "egregoric" compassion in the last paragraph ... NOT !! ):
Balance-The Crux of Life
A talk given by Shri Parthasarathi Rajagopalachari (aka: Chari)
on 20th January, 2006 in Malaysia
(...)
So what wonders can it do if this is on a global scale? That is why Sahaj Marg is performing marriages—no questions asked, except whether you are old enough to get married, and whether you are a man and a woman. Unlike the churches in the world, we don’t perform same-sex marriages. That is unnatural. God did not intend it to be thus. Please excuse me, it is a personal comment, it is not Sahaj Marg. But there are things, as Babuji Maharaj said, “If God did not want two sexes, he could have as well created one and seen that the world propagated by itself.” There are unicellular organisms called amoeba which just split when they want. No problems of sex, no problems of love and hate, no problems of, shall we say, illegitimate babies, no need for Viagra. You know, when it is big enough it just splits and there are two. “Behold, there was one and now there are two,” says the Lord. So God could have done anything he wanted, you see. Why two sexes? Not so that one sex should marry among themselves, isn’t it? So, what the church may allow, I don’t have to condone or accept. To me, it is a very blatant misuse of so-called privileges of the human being, fundamental rights, et cetera. Of course, if you claim it is your fundamental right to go the dogs, so be it! Even God cannot stop it. That is not His weakness; that is His strength that he gives us the liberty to do what we will.
It like a boxing father, heavyweight champion, allowing his pugnacious teenagers to pummel away at him. He just laughs, “Yeah, go on, son. Come on, one more.” And the pugnacious son thinks he is going to knock his father out and suddenly, wham, you know. The son is at the corner of the room and the mother is wailing away: “How can you do it to my son?”
(...)
Mr. Chari! ... You do not speak for the REAL ONE, what you call GOD!!
Loving and "making love" to a consenting adult person of the same sex is not the same as making love to, or "having sex" with a "dog" (bestiality) !! You are creating a gay-bashing egregore in Sahaj Marg(tm) built on false assumptions and misunderstood statements and actions !!
Mr Chari, tear down this wall of hatred you create, if you want to claim to represent our "ONE-ness" or ONE, what you call a "male" GOD.
Also, if you want to operate legally in Canada as a CHARITY, you must respect our "human rights" laws!! ... Should the UN DPI not get involved here? Where are the honourable people in Sahaj Marg(tm)? In the UNDPI? Is it all "corrupt"?? Recall this divisive homophobic SPEECH for the sake of your "brothers and sisters" who are being assaulted and beaten-up !!
SPIRITUALITY UNITES!! Religion is "corrupt" and divides mankind, according to your words in many of your other speeches! It seems that corruption and lack of compassion is also inside Sahaj Marg (tm).
Secular society can seriously doubt whether the experiences of Religions and specially of Spiritualist groups such as Sahaj Marg(tm) are Natural (Spiritualist fantasies, spirits, egregores, demons, heaven, Brighter World, Saviours, Godmen, a male GOD, etc...). They are almost certainly not of the NATURAL reality that we readily witness or can measure, but they seem to be the Spiritualist inventions and fantasies from the MIND of (some) MEN. And they (or their mind) seem to make it up as they go along, without thinking much at all with their BRAIN (linear or tangential continuity?).
But we are now relatively certain that homosexuality is NATURAL. (over 450 species ... and counting, practice it for varied speculated reasons ... ) It is "Natural", as in: "CREATED by Nature". In other words, homosexuality is part of our ONE-ness in REALITY, but like the rest of our physical existence, it appears as "dual" as the perceptions of the senses!!
Some foods "gross me out", but that same "gross food" is desired and regarded as "tasty" by some, and is even culturally "SPECIAL". Think now of the egotist and self-titled Gurus and so-called "Godmen", who spoil the gay "brothers and sisters" fun (parties, birthdays, bandaras, get-together (s), etc...), and who demonize their LIVES (love, pleasure and pain), so that the atmosphere is created where others (abhyasis?) can feel justified in assaulting and battering them !!
What also seems to be a fantasy, is that LOVE, COMPASSION and UNITY necessarily reside in, or are necessarily the bailiwick of RELIGION and the SPIRITUAL-ist movements such as "Sahaj Marg (tm)" ... (registered "trade mark" (tm) means "for trade and commerce" !!). These "isms" seem to desire, create and revel in "division", so as to claim the "specialness" which their Method promises !!
Monday, July 5, 2010
Taken from Yatra, vol. 2, p.15, (Blossoms in the East, chapter "Madras") -Rev. Chariji
Then see Chari' s REAL display of what he calls: "LOVE" for our HOMOSEXUAL "brothers and sisters" as displayed in his speech ... above !! The excerpt of Chari's speech (above) does not show that he realizes what "Universal love" really is at all !! It displays instead, that like most religions and their leadership, he (and they) speaks from both sides of his mouth!!
He claims to love (universally) our homosexual "brothers and sisters", but does not want them to benefit from the protection of our "fundamental (human) rights" legislation??? Hypocrisy!!
Then he equates their same-sex "love making" between consenting adults to bestiality?? Inciting to hatred!!
... And he calls us, the curse of "bloggers" who write about his lack of LOVE, wisdom and compassion, the "enemies of spirituality"! And you, his "serfs" you say NOTHING!! So much for "the lions" (predator, meat eater) which he trained you (like his pets) to be!! ... so you could go and get him some "lambs" from other religions??
See also:
Sahaj Marg and Homosexuality
"Chari-ty" Creates Gay-Bashing Egregore!!
From Sahaj Marg to Tantric "in home" Massages!
What is an "egregore"? Is it part of Raja Yoga?
.
.
.
While Chari, President of the Shri Ram Chandra Mission (SRCM (California-1997), and Master of its spiritual Method called: Sahaj Marg (tm), still refuses to recall his homophobic speech, more Gays and/or Lesbians (our "brothers and sisters") are assaulted and beaten in Vancouver, B.C. (Canada).
The Gay, Lesbian and Trans-gender community has publicly stated that assaults from the Indo ethnic community, due to "sexual preference" (now a hate crime), is on the rise. They have asked for the support from the "ethnic community" leaders and members, to assist in addressing this increase in assaults ...
Members of the SRCM (California-1997) and disciples of this Master (Chari) and their METHOD, Sahaj Marg(tm), could show their compassion for their so-called Canadian "brothers and sisters", and also display their true spirituality, by writing and asking their Master to recall the anti-gay statements in his homophobic speech included here. (see below for excerpt)
If Chari, the Master, does not recall his speech, then the moral "seekers" could show some moral fiber and fortitude and resign from his spiritualist MISSION and seek true SPIRITUALITY elsewhere! Maybe in a more TRULY loving, and "brotherly and sisterly", and not so divisive environment, and/or in a not so "corrupt" RELIGION, as Chari likes to call all RELIGIONS, compassion could be found!! If the Guru-in-waiting of Sahaj Marg (tm), Ajay Kumar Bhatter, can resign as he has done recently, then the disciples could also show some personal integrity and some REAL Spirituality by making a statement and resigning !!
Michael (ex-preceptor of Sahaj Marg) has stated: "The effectiveness of a meditation practice is NOT what is experienced during meditation, but is in fact the behavior of practitioners when they are NOT meditating."
The Shri Ram Chandra Mission ( SRCM (California-1997), is registered as a CHARITY in Canada, and it should operate according to the laws of the land. Homosexuals (gays, lesbians and trans-genders) are now protected by law and have equal "human rights" in Canada ... which means that Charities registered in Canada should not engage in homophobia, if they want to legally collect their "charity" in Canada, to bring to their country and build and/or purchase their Ashrams, Private schools, retreat centers, and other various "real estate" ... We in Canada, don't want our charity dollars to promote such divisiveness and hatred towards our minorities here and/or around our global world.
Let your Members of Parliament, Legislative Assembly, and/or your Canada Revenue Agency (CRA) know of your concerns about this Charity and its "divisive" Master! (CRA-Charities list ... (Enter: Shri Ram Chandra Mission - North York, Ontario)
SHAME ... SHAME ... SHAME ... in the name of God again!!
The abhyasis must be really addicted (not loving as they claim) to remain in such a morally bankrupt and co-dependent gang!! "My country (gang) right or wrong", eh?
Have you all forgotten what is RIGHT?? How will the world change if you are also WRONG, and want to indoctrinate the children with your WRONG teachings, using our "charity" dollars to spread such "hatred" towards our citizens; hatred that could incite "hate crimes" by some? You are calling that: CHARITY??
First you show religious intolerance by insulting all religions, then you attack and divide from one another and separate the families of your members, and then you oppress the MINORITIES !!
" Get ye to a nunnery (un-) fair Ophelia!!" (Shakespeare in "Hamlet")
See the various articles as a sampling of some of the Vancouver area Media:
Xtra (Canada's Gay and Lesbian News) :
http://www.xtra.ca/public/Vancouver/Arrests_in_Keefer_St_gaybashing-8875.aspx
CTV.bc News (Brothers Arrested in Suspected Vancouver Gay Bashing)
http://www.xtra.ca/public/Vancouver/Arrests_in_Keefer_St_gaybashing-8875.aspx
Straight.com (Vancouver's Online Source) (Two Richmond Brothers Charged in Vancouver Gay Bashing)
http://www.straight.com/article-332053/vancouver/two-richmond-brothers-charged-gay-bashing-attack-peter-regier-and-david-holtzman
The Province (Four arrested in relation to two gay bashing incidents)
http://www.theprovince.com/news/Four+arrested+relation+bashing+attacks/3226472/story.html
Here is the shameful "gay-bashing" section (exerpt) of a speech by Chari (President of Shri Ram Chandra Mission - SRCM (California-1997) and Master of Sahaj Marg (tm) (notice the "egregoric" compassion in the last paragraph ... NOT !! ):
Balance-The Crux of Life
A talk given by Shri Parthasarathi Rajagopalachari (aka: Chari)
on 20th January, 2006 in Malaysia
(...)
So what wonders can it do if this is on a global scale? That is why Sahaj Marg is performing marriages—no questions asked, except whether you are old enough to get married, and whether you are a man and a woman. Unlike the churches in the world, we don’t perform same-sex marriages. That is unnatural. God did not intend it to be thus. Please excuse me, it is a personal comment, it is not Sahaj Marg. But there are things, as Babuji Maharaj said, “If God did not want two sexes, he could have as well created one and seen that the world propagated by itself.” There are unicellular organisms called amoeba which just split when they want. No problems of sex, no problems of love and hate, no problems of, shall we say, illegitimate babies, no need for Viagra. You know, when it is big enough it just splits and there are two. “Behold, there was one and now there are two,” says the Lord. So God could have done anything he wanted, you see. Why two sexes? Not so that one sex should marry among themselves, isn’t it? So, what the church may allow, I don’t have to condone or accept. To me, it is a very blatant misuse of so-called privileges of the human being, fundamental rights, et cetera. Of course, if you claim it is your fundamental right to go the dogs, so be it! Even God cannot stop it. That is not His weakness; that is His strength that he gives us the liberty to do what we will.
It like a boxing father, heavyweight champion, allowing his pugnacious teenagers to pummel away at him. He just laughs, “Yeah, go on, son. Come on, one more.” And the pugnacious son thinks he is going to knock his father out and suddenly, wham, you know. The son is at the corner of the room and the mother is wailing away: “How can you do it to my son?”
(...)
Mr. Chari! ... You do not speak for the REAL ONE, what you call GOD!!
Loving and "making love" to a consenting adult person of the same sex is not the same as making love to, or "having sex" with a "dog" (bestiality) !! You are creating a gay-bashing egregore in Sahaj Marg(tm) built on false assumptions and misunderstood statements and actions !!
Mr Chari, tear down this wall of hatred you create, if you want to claim to represent our "ONE-ness" or ONE, what you call a "male" GOD.
Also, if you want to operate legally in Canada as a CHARITY, you must respect our "human rights" laws!! ... Should the UN DPI not get involved here? Where are the honourable people in Sahaj Marg(tm)? In the UNDPI? Is it all "corrupt"?? Recall this divisive homophobic SPEECH for the sake of your "brothers and sisters" who are being assaulted and beaten-up !!
SPIRITUALITY UNITES!! Religion is "corrupt" and divides mankind, according to your words in many of your other speeches! It seems that corruption and lack of compassion is also inside Sahaj Marg (tm).
Secular society can seriously doubt whether the experiences of Religions and specially of Spiritualist groups such as Sahaj Marg(tm) are Natural (Spiritualist fantasies, spirits, egregores, demons, heaven, Brighter World, Saviours, Godmen, a male GOD, etc...). They are almost certainly not of the NATURAL reality that we readily witness or can measure, but they seem to be the Spiritualist inventions and fantasies from the MIND of (some) MEN. And they (or their mind) seem to make it up as they go along, without thinking much at all with their BRAIN (linear or tangential continuity?).
But we are now relatively certain that homosexuality is NATURAL. (over 450 species ... and counting, practice it for varied speculated reasons ... ) It is "Natural", as in: "CREATED by Nature". In other words, homosexuality is part of our ONE-ness in REALITY, but like the rest of our physical existence, it appears as "dual" as the perceptions of the senses!!
Some foods "gross me out", but that same "gross food" is desired and regarded as "tasty" by some, and is even culturally "SPECIAL". Think now of the egotist and self-titled Gurus and so-called "Godmen", who spoil the gay "brothers and sisters" fun (parties, birthdays, bandaras, get-together (s), etc...), and who demonize their LIVES (love, pleasure and pain), so that the atmosphere is created where others (abhyasis?) can feel justified in assaulting and battering them !!
What also seems to be a fantasy, is that LOVE, COMPASSION and UNITY necessarily reside in, or are necessarily the bailiwick of RELIGION and the SPIRITUAL-ist movements such as "Sahaj Marg (tm)" ... (registered "trade mark" (tm) means "for trade and commerce" !!). These "isms" seem to desire, create and revel in "division", so as to claim the "specialness" which their Method promises !!
Monday, July 5, 2010
"The thought came into my mind... "True love must exist without the beloved having to possess any qualities whatsoever. Then alone is it true love." This thought further expanded into the next thought. "Our Master loves us in this very way. Nay! Even where there is justification for not loving, such as when a person has hateful or repulsive qualities, even then Master is able to love the person." I then realised what universal love really is. Such a love pervades everything in the universe because such a love needs no qualities to love, and therefore exists independent of any qualities in the beloved."
Taken from Yatra, vol. 2, p.15, (Blossoms in the East, chapter "Madras") -Rev. Chariji
Then see Chari' s REAL display of what he calls: "LOVE" for our HOMOSEXUAL "brothers and sisters" as displayed in his speech ... above !! The excerpt of Chari's speech (above) does not show that he realizes what "Universal love" really is at all !! It displays instead, that like most religions and their leadership, he (and they) speaks from both sides of his mouth!!
He claims to love (universally) our homosexual "brothers and sisters", but does not want them to benefit from the protection of our "fundamental (human) rights" legislation??? Hypocrisy!!
Then he equates their same-sex "love making" between consenting adults to bestiality?? Inciting to hatred!!
... And he calls us, the curse of "bloggers" who write about his lack of LOVE, wisdom and compassion, the "enemies of spirituality"! And you, his "serfs" you say NOTHING!! So much for "the lions" (predator, meat eater) which he trained you (like his pets) to be!! ... so you could go and get him some "lambs" from other religions??
See also:
Sahaj Marg and Homosexuality
"Chari-ty" Creates Gay-Bashing Egregore!!
From Sahaj Marg to Tantric "in home" Massages!
What is an "egregore"? Is it part of Raja Yoga?
.
.
.
Sunday, March 29, 2009
Marriage Arranged by Chari Allegedly Ends in Tragedy!
Taken from a Testimonial comment left on "Sahaj Marg! The SRCM(California-1997) Membership Statistics...":
If anyone has more information, please make it known here for the sake of the victims (current and future) . Please chose a "user ID" so we may refer to you as a "name" ...
Why is Chari and SRCM (California-1997) arranging and performing marriages? And, whereas Babuji warned that Sahaj Marg was for adults of 18 yrs and older, the age when one could chose a spiritual path, Chari wants the children to be abhyasis from birth, or before a choice is possible. It's all about "growing the business". This is from one of Chari's speeches:
http://www.srcm.org/literature/recent.speeches/070202_Tiruppur.jsp
Lalaji Maharaj, whose birth anniversary we are celebrating today has ordained–it was not merely an expression of his wishes–has ordained that abhyasis should marry amongst each other, so that in two or three generations we have an exploding Sahaj Marg population.
Note: Lalaji died in 1931, 13 years before Sahaj Marg and the Shri Ram Chandra Mission were invented by Babuji and registered in India, (1945) .
Anonymous said:
I went to Chennai ashram,
for doing some voluntary work in June 2006.
Shri Chary(Guru) was also conducting marriages during that time.
Just one day before marriage, an abhyasi by name Dhamodhar(Damu) commited suicide, which I know him very well, his marriage was fixed by Shri Chary with another abhyasi.
Dhamodhar was working for only mission mostly in
Satkol and nothing else for several years by then.
I dont know what went wrong there.
On the day of the marriage, I could see Shri Chari was performing as usual.
I think Damu brother commited suicide as marriage was against his wishes.
There are other episodes as well, where arrogant guru speaking some negative things and all those coming true.
Can any one from SRCM deny this charges.
From Shri Ram Chandra Mission (SRCM-California-1997) Site (Recent Speeches):
Speech given by Rev. Master on 12th October 2008 at Hyderabad, India
http://www.srcm.org/literature/recent.s
(...) increasingly marriages are getting troublesome. People get married here by the grace of my Guru, my Master, and they run into trouble. Some of them, fortunately only a few, the marriage is finished on the day of the marriage itself. So far we have had three cases. But it is a tragedy for me because, as Babuji said, even one drop of poison in a big vessel of milk means a big vessel full of poison. Here we don’t judge spiritual progress by success, we judge it by failure. And in that sense our marriages have failed too often for my comfort. Though my boys tell me, “Only three, saab [sir].” Should not have been even one.
Thursday, March 19, 2009
"Chari-ty" Creates a Gay Bashing Egregore!
GAY COMMUNITY RALLIES AGAINST PUB ATTACK
Father of two remains in grave condition after he was struck in the head after pool game.
From the Vancouver Sun, Mar 19, 2009
If there is "Gay Bashing" or violence against homosexuals in our world, the responsibility originates with religions, which benefit from "tax-exempt" status as "charities" in most countries.
These un-charitable homophobic messages from their egregore, voiced by their prophets, mediums or saints, and which are claimed in spoken and written words from the leadership to be "divinely inspired", then eventually filter down to the lower echelons of their dogmatic, religious PYRAMID. There, the mob or gang mentality kicks in. The "egregores", or "autonomous psychic entities" or "thought forms" are said by some sensitives to hang around, and/or be felt around emotional centers, such as pubs or other places of intoxication. The alcohol, the drugs, along with "lower-chakra (gut) stimulating" rhythmic SOUNDS, and reddish colored lights, instills a sociological personality change and an "ounce of courage" and gives some individuals the messianic feeling of actuating what everyone in the larger GROUP (society) wants, but are afraid to do, because of the legal repercussions. The "egregore actuator" even sometimes thinks that the GROUP (society) will praise and reward him/her. Some "religious" groups actually do reward this violent "GROUPTHINK" behaviour. Look at all the many saints who have in reality been "mass murderers" and "terrorists".
Then, in the right emotional environment, the GROUPTHINK process of the autonomous egregores take control of the messages of the GROUP, many of which originate with the group leaders, and the autonomous "group thought" that is erroneously claimed to be "divine", becomes "actualized" in the REAL WORLD. This process often happens without the immediate consciousness and/or awareness of the "actuator". This mob mentality can be seen in any group, mob, protests, gang, army, team, etc... and is now somewhat understood by sociologists. At one time in the not too distant past, thanks again to some religious fanatics, it was thought of as "posession" or "demonic" or "archangel" intervention.
I would like to hear the gay (and the broader) population's reaction to this statement that is transmitted via egregores (as many religions do) to the "abhyasis" (disciples), from the Master and President of the Shri Ram Chandra Mission (SRCM-California-1997) registered in North York, Ontario, headquartered in Chennai (Madras), India, and which operates as a charity in Canada and benefits from "tax-exempt" status ($60,000 on financial statement transfered to ?) . Is this "CHARITY"?? Do you want your "tax dollars" to fund the propagation of this and other such "pseudo-religious" un-charitable and violent messages?
Let your elected government representative and your "...revenue agency" know that you will not fund People VIOLENCE and the sources of its "origins" anymore!! Divine violence (volcanoes, hurricanes, supernovae, etc...) does not need our funding!
Balance-The Crux of Life
A talk given by Shri Parthasarathi Rajagopalachari (aka: Chari)
on 20th January, 2006 in Malaysia
So what wonders can it do if this is on a global scale? That is why Sahaj Marg is performing marriages—no questions asked, except whether you are old enough to get married, and whether you are a man and a woman. Unlike the churches in the world, we don’t perform same-sex marriages. That is unnatural. God did not intend it to be thus. Please excuse me, it is a personal comment, it is not Sahaj Marg. But there are things, as Babuji Maharaj said, “If God did not want two sexes, he could have as well created one and seen that the world propagated by itself.” There are unicellular organisms called amoeba which just split when they want. No problems of sex, no problems of love and hate, no problems of, shall we say, illegitimate babies, no need for Viagra. You know, when it is big enough it just splits and there are two. “Behold, there was one and now there are two,” says the Lord. So God could have done anything he wanted, you see. Why two sexes? Not so that one sex should marry among themselves, isn’t it? So, what the church may allow, I don’t have to condone or accept. To me, it is a very blatant misuse of so-called privileges of the human being, fundamental rights, et cetera. Of course, if you claim it is your fundamental right to go the dogs, so be it! Even God cannot stop it. That is not His weakness; that is His strength that he gives us the liberty to do what we will.
It like a boxing father, heavyweight champion, allowing his pugnacious teenagers to pummel away at him. He just laughs, “Yeah, go on, son. Come on, one more.” And the pugnacious son thinks he is going to knock his father out and suddenly, wham, you know. The son is at the corner of the room and the mother is wailing away: “How can you do it to my son?”
4d-Don said:
SHOW US! ... by yourself, how that deserves to be considered for "tax-exempt", and "Chari-table" status!
Other gay bashing incident in Vancouver, BC, Canada. from Pink News.co.uk
And while we are at it...
Christian Bible (King James Version) : Leviticus 20:13
Islam and Homosexuality
Father of two remains in grave condition after he was struck in the head after pool game.
From the Vancouver Sun, Mar 19, 2009
If there is "Gay Bashing" or violence against homosexuals in our world, the responsibility originates with religions, which benefit from "tax-exempt" status as "charities" in most countries.
These un-charitable homophobic messages from their egregore, voiced by their prophets, mediums or saints, and which are claimed in spoken and written words from the leadership to be "divinely inspired", then eventually filter down to the lower echelons of their dogmatic, religious PYRAMID. There, the mob or gang mentality kicks in. The "egregores", or "autonomous psychic entities" or "thought forms" are said by some sensitives to hang around, and/or be felt around emotional centers, such as pubs or other places of intoxication. The alcohol, the drugs, along with "lower-chakra (gut) stimulating" rhythmic SOUNDS, and reddish colored lights, instills a sociological personality change and an "ounce of courage" and gives some individuals the messianic feeling of actuating what everyone in the larger GROUP (society) wants, but are afraid to do, because of the legal repercussions. The "egregore actuator" even sometimes thinks that the GROUP (society) will praise and reward him/her. Some "religious" groups actually do reward this violent "GROUPTHINK" behaviour. Look at all the many saints who have in reality been "mass murderers" and "terrorists".
Then, in the right emotional environment, the GROUPTHINK process of the autonomous egregores take control of the messages of the GROUP, many of which originate with the group leaders, and the autonomous "group thought" that is erroneously claimed to be "divine", becomes "actualized" in the REAL WORLD. This process often happens without the immediate consciousness and/or awareness of the "actuator". This mob mentality can be seen in any group, mob, protests, gang, army, team, etc... and is now somewhat understood by sociologists. At one time in the not too distant past, thanks again to some religious fanatics, it was thought of as "posession" or "demonic" or "archangel" intervention.
I would like to hear the gay (and the broader) population's reaction to this statement that is transmitted via egregores (as many religions do) to the "abhyasis" (disciples), from the Master and President of the Shri Ram Chandra Mission (SRCM-California-1997) registered in North York, Ontario, headquartered in Chennai (Madras), India, and which operates as a charity in Canada and benefits from "tax-exempt" status ($60,000 on financial statement transfered to ?) . Is this "CHARITY"?? Do you want your "tax dollars" to fund the propagation of this and other such "pseudo-religious" un-charitable and violent messages?
Let your elected government representative and your "...revenue agency" know that you will not fund People VIOLENCE and the sources of its "origins" anymore!! Divine violence (volcanoes, hurricanes, supernovae, etc...) does not need our funding!
Balance-The Crux of Life
A talk given by Shri Parthasarathi Rajagopalachari (aka: Chari)
on 20th January, 2006 in Malaysia
So what wonders can it do if this is on a global scale? That is why Sahaj Marg is performing marriages—no questions asked, except whether you are old enough to get married, and whether you are a man and a woman. Unlike the churches in the world, we don’t perform same-sex marriages. That is unnatural. God did not intend it to be thus. Please excuse me, it is a personal comment, it is not Sahaj Marg. But there are things, as Babuji Maharaj said, “If God did not want two sexes, he could have as well created one and seen that the world propagated by itself.” There are unicellular organisms called amoeba which just split when they want. No problems of sex, no problems of love and hate, no problems of, shall we say, illegitimate babies, no need for Viagra. You know, when it is big enough it just splits and there are two. “Behold, there was one and now there are two,” says the Lord. So God could have done anything he wanted, you see. Why two sexes? Not so that one sex should marry among themselves, isn’t it? So, what the church may allow, I don’t have to condone or accept. To me, it is a very blatant misuse of so-called privileges of the human being, fundamental rights, et cetera. Of course, if you claim it is your fundamental right to go the dogs, so be it! Even God cannot stop it. That is not His weakness; that is His strength that he gives us the liberty to do what we will.
It like a boxing father, heavyweight champion, allowing his pugnacious teenagers to pummel away at him. He just laughs, “Yeah, go on, son. Come on, one more.” And the pugnacious son thinks he is going to knock his father out and suddenly, wham, you know. The son is at the corner of the room and the mother is wailing away: “How can you do it to my son?”
4d-Don said:
SHOW US! ... by yourself, how that deserves to be considered for "tax-exempt", and "Chari-table" status!
Other gay bashing incident in Vancouver, BC, Canada. from Pink News.co.uk
And while we are at it...
Christian Bible (King James Version) : Leviticus 20:13
Islam and Homosexuality
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I would like to bring forth a tragic incident, about an ardous abhyasi, named Dhamodar. I think who sacrifised every thing for the Mission. But sadly he commited suicide by hanging himself.
The marriage was set by PR. What might have gone through old parents and all. We can see PR next day as usual and whistling and listening to music. No change, poor parents, they might have such expectations from the young child.