Marriage Arranged by Chari Allegedly Ends in Tragedy!

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Why is Chari and SRCM (California-1997) arranging and performing marriages? And, whereas Babuji warned that Sahaj Marg was for adults of 18 yrs and older, the age when one could chose a spiritual path, Chari wants the children to be abhyasis from birth, or before a choice is possible. It's all about "growing the business". This is from one of Chari's speeches:

http://www.srcm.org/literature/recent.speeches/070202_Tiruppur.jsp

Lalaji Maharaj, whose birth anniversary we are celebrating today has ordained–it was not merely an expression of his wishes–has ordained that abhyasis should marry amongst each other, so that in two or three generations we have an exploding Sahaj Marg population.

Note: Lalaji died in 1931, 13 years before Sahaj Marg and the Shri Ram Chandra Mission were invented by Babuji and registered in India, (1945) .

Anonymous said:

I went to Chennai ashram,
for doing some voluntary work in June 2006.
Shri Chary(Guru) was also conducting marriages during that time.

Just one day before marriage, an abhyasi by name Dhamodhar(Damu) commited suicide, which I know him very well, his marriage was fixed by Shri Chary with another abhyasi.

Dhamodhar was working for only mission mostly in
Satkol and nothing else for several years by then.

I dont know what went wrong there.
On the day of the marriage, I could see Shri Chari was performing as usual.

I think Damu brother commited suicide as marriage was against his wishes.

There are other episodes as well, where arrogant guru speaking some negative things and all those coming true.

Can any one from SRCM deny this charges.

March 29, 2009 10:59:00 PDT AM (Bombay, India)

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Anonymous said...

I would like to bring forth a tragic incident, about an ardous abhyasi, named Dhamodar. I think who sacrifised every thing for the Mission. But sadly he commited suicide by hanging himself.

The marriage was set by PR. What might have gone through old parents and all. We can see PR next day as usual and whistling and listening to music. No change, poor parents, they might have such expectations from the young child.

May 15, 2008 11:04:00 PDT PM

From Shri Ram Chandra Mission (SRCM-California-1997) Site (Recent Speeches):
Speech given by Rev. Master on 12th October 2008 at Hyderabad, India

http://www.srcm.org/literature/recent.speeches/081012_Hyderabad.jsp


(...) increasingly marriages are getting troublesome. People get married here by the grace of my Guru, my Master, and they run into trouble. Some of them, fortunately only a few, the marriage is finished on the day of the marriage itself. So far we have had three cases. But it is a tragedy for me because, as Babuji said, even one drop of poison in a big vessel of milk means a big vessel full of poison. Here we don’t judge spiritual progress by success, we judge it by failure. And in that sense our marriages have failed too often for my comfort. Though my boys tell me, “Only three, saab [sir].” Should not have been even one.

In which other group does the leader call his henchmen (foot soldiers) "my boys"? Organized Crime!!

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Satya Srikanth Said :

Hi Shashwat,

Damu was supposed to marry a girl selected by chari. Girl was also abhyasi. she was daugther of a kitchen volunteer. Everybody in srcm knows about this incident. I guess chari forced the boy to marry aganist his wishes and because of that only he committed suicide.

and later Satya Srikanth said ...

Hi Shashwat,

You are doing exceptional job aganist sadist guru. There are other instances as well. Ex-Center incharge of some southern state (****Name Zapped on request****), she was very close associate of Babuji, please dont mention her name any where. she made her son to marry abhyasi. Chari some how said that the marriage will break. As he said, couple got divorce with in a year of marriage. Later on he throwed out of srcm as with many other senior abhyasis.

The Purpose of LIFE! Develop more RELIGIONS! Chari

Comments to a speech by Chari at Raipur, India, Mar 18, 2009

Comments by 4d-Don in "red italics"

The Purpose of Life

Talk given by Master on 18th of March, 2009 at Raipur, India

(...)

So I pray for all of you. I pray for myself too, that having got this golden opportunity of life on earth as a human being, the great gift of being born in the time of Babuji Maharaj, Lalaji Maharaj as the case may have been, and the ultimate gift of having been accepted by them as abhyasis, we don't falter, we don't look here or there. (Both Baubji and Lalaji said to take what you can from the Master and if you need more, look elsewhere) You know every ghoda gaadi [horse-drawn carriage] in Uttar Pradesh, or Madhya Pradesh, they have these blinkers so that the horse cannot look this side or that side. Unfortunately God did not put blinkers on our eyes! He made us free - we can turn our heads, we can look here and there, look up, and look down. In giving us this freedom, we have destroyed our purpose in life. (not true ... To be FREE means that anyone can decide for one's self and leave a "bad guru" and find another Guru, or we can even realize the ONE by ourselves. The Pine tree does not have to become the FIR tree to be at ONE with the DIVINE.)

We have these five senses called panchendriyas. They are meant merely to guide us: go left, go right, avoid danger, go back. Touch - this is hot, reject. Taste - it's poison, throw it out. But we have converted our senses into pleasure seeking instruments, and therein lies the fall of mankind. (We have not "converted our senses", our senses are "gifts" to use wisely and not to curse as this guru wants you to do. Be grateful for your "senses". There is no "sense" in the "non-sense" of this GURU. Mankind is not "fallen"... and does not need a "Saviour" or Messiah. That is a "Christian" (religious) concept, a myth, and it is not "Raja Yoga) The fall of Adam and Eve was not pleasure. (That story is a religious MYTH ... there were no "Adam and Eve". We all experience pleasure and that is "GOOD". Please don't use the myths of religions that you call "corrupt" to make "spiritual" points of "become aware of REALITY") It was knowledge! (wrong... that myth is about "EGO" (I was a Christian) ... Some religious fanatics (not the mythic Adam and Eve... the story is more recent than that and the story was not written by them) started thinking (as they do now) that they could decide (with ego, power, not knowledge) for the tribe, what was right or wrong. The "powers", gained by "disobedience" to those claiming to represent God, or allegeldy of knowing better or more" than the ONE (ego) what was right or wrong, was, according to the mythic "talking snake" (Satan?) was to become "godly" or equal to GOD, (ego) and then have power over one another, and over their future families, friends, and enemies. Plus "the talking snake" promised that eating the fruit of the tree would "not lead to death", and/or they would be immortal (as God...ego). That is the ego that the mythic (storybook) Adam and Eve and hence mankind fell into ... (See "Adam and Eve" and other myths here or here)

In the same Christian Bible, Joshua stopped the sun so the battle (war) could go on... is that TRUE? Get REAL!! Does anyone know of any records of the "sun stopping". Is it not the earth's spin that gives us a 24 hour day? OOPS!!

If it was knowledge that Mankind desired historically, we would have evolved in KNOWLEDGE ... we seem to have evolved in EGO (seeking POWER), and we still shun true knowledge. Those who use their heads are still not paid as those who appeal to the ego or the emotional "heart" (entertainment, fantasy, fictions, movies, sports, nationalism, imperialism, religion, etc...)

Now we will have to face it. The TIME is at hand. The same kind of religious fanatics, and pseudo-Gurus still think they can "pray us into peace", "spin the world", "give the Universe", and "destroy part of the Cosmos" (Chari) ... but they can't... it is just EGO and megalomania. They think they can divide and conquer and then sell UNITY. They think they can insult other religions and "attack" with violence the "ashrams of others" and then sell PEACE (see the 9 o'clock prayer). They think they can make "megalomaniacal claims" and then sell HUMILITY. Well, we now have the INTERNET... THANK the ONE GOD!!

If one wants peace, then they should live in PEACE... If one wants UNITY, then they should not join a group that DIVIDES (as most groups do). If one wants "EGO-lessness" and a humble society, then they should live in humility and without EGO... not like the Masters of SAHAJ MARG paving our "natural paradise" to build another "parking lot" (as in the Canadian Joni Michelle song), where in their lack of knowledge, and full of "ego" and divided one against the other, they can go and find their "male" GOD (...or the gods of division, violence and war.) If you read carefully, you will know why they were evicted from the Garden of Eden. Because they ate of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. The moment we started distinguishing good and evil in God's creation, we have betrayed God in the sense that God created no evil - we have created evil. Therefore we are punished; therefore we are condemned until we can again come to a state, spiritual state, a state of existence where there is no more either good or bad. Sukhaduhkha same krutvaa - make both pleasure and pain the same. (Wow! Does this "Master"?? ever make things up! WE are SPIRIT, MIND, ENERGY and MATTER and many live with "both wings" (or all wings) as per the advice of most Masters.

The Garden of Eden is a Judeo-Christian religious myth, a fantasy and not a REAL place. There is no "tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil". Find such a tree and show it to us. If there is evil, it exists in the MIND of MAN. We (through the religious elite) have created Evil in our MIND. We are FREE... and we can, in our mind, call disease or the exploding volcano or the raging flood "EVIL", but that does not make it so. WE, Mankind, are not PUNISHED or "condemned" by the ONE or the Creator ... Things just happen, and then the religious profiteers make their "prophetic claims" in their self-serving bids to be "financed" or "supported" by the broader community. That Fear and Temptation mechanism is "corrupt" religion, and it seems to be what Sahaj Marg has become. That religious manipulation is what we must grow out of, so as to finally become adults and finally begin to UNITE in Peace, using our HEAD (brain), with its powers of REASON, and LOGIC to think ... not the emotional heart (another myth) , or the reality that is the heart as a Pump for Blood. (the slavish pump does not think, but is controlled by the "nerve centre", the brain.)

For you there is nothing good, nothing bad. (For all of us...but only relatively! ) There is only the straight path on which you go, following the footsteps of your guru who is going ahead of you, and reaching the goal not by your effort, but by merely following. (Another fantasy... One's re-action is from one's own actions, not from someone else's actions. Karma is not to be TOYED with by the arrogant pseudo-gurus and corrupt religious "priests", and their claims of "erasing samskaras" or "forgiving sins" or "liberating" and "saving" others) This should not be difficult. If you are asked to find out the way, to avoid the thorns, all that sort of nonsense, you are put to test. "Which is my way? There are so many ways. Raah dikhao prabhu, nainheen ko raah dikhao prabhu. [O Lord, show this blind man the way.]" A song I heard in Soordas long ago, when I was a schoolboy in Jabalpur. Ham na nainheen hain - we are not blind. Nor are we mleccha [outcast] - we have a (self appointed... divisive, violent) guru. Keval hamen aankhen isliye dee gayi hain [We have been given eyes solely for this purpose] - I see the guru, my ears are given to me to listen to the guru, and my feet are given to me to walk behind him. I pray for you all and for myself that, may this be our last life on earth, however long it may last. Because I find that as I grow [older] day by day, I wish I had not lived so long, and that I did not have to live longer. (Dream on... Eternal means that there is no Beginning and no END. We, as LIFE, will go ROUND and ROUND... no GOAL... NO END...no religious heaven, no Spirilual myth of one "Brighter World", but many more "brilliant" levels of existence to experience. We, our consciousness, is not only carbon or Matter, but we are also LIGHT and MIND, and SPIRIT... Some REALIZE all of them! The Whole REALITY. The Whole SHE-Bang! )

I told Babuji one day in Shahjahanpur, I think it was in 1968 or '69. He congratulated me and said, "Now you are liberated." (Another fantasy... Don't believe it... if you believe that, then so am I "LIBERATED" and so are we all ... Words are cheap! Read Babuji's last letters regarding Chari! ) I said, "Babuji, why don't you take me up immediately, simultaneously?" (That is smart!! NOT... Let all your disciples be ready to leave their "life" as in that "made up" story. Chari is alive. Babuji did not and could not take anyone with him. Don't become like that! That is a fantasy and not REALITY! ) He said, "Why do you ask for that?" I said, "The longer I live, the more I am subject to temptation, and the possibility of fall." (Becaue you gave in to the MATERIAL... we did not...) You see, life is a danger. (Wrong... life is a pleasure also, an exciting and a calm place, a place to do good also, a place to learn, grow, share, be grateful, etc... etc.. Give us a break... use your head for the Love of Babuji!! ) Every day you live longer, there is the renewed danger of a fall: some temptation here, some stupidity there, some lack of faith. Somebody has something at home; "Oh, how can your Master allow this to happen? Why is your Master so cruel?" (Would you teach the "children" to desire to "not live" because it is too "dangerous"? What a "cruel joke". You are preaching to "old men and old women". Let the children live in hope, charity, gratefulness... in other words, leave them alone with your "negative" myths and legends. Life will go on with or without you!! )

We do not know that the play of life and death is in Divine hands. (WE DO... DO YOU?) Yeh drama hai [This is a drama]. But we go and we have [conditional] faith; we say, "Only as long as things are good for us..." Child married-God is great. Son promoted-God is great. Bahurani aa gayi bade khaandaan se [A daughter-in-law has come from a wealthy family]-God is even greater. Baccha paida hua aur voh bhi baalak? Arre vaah! Kaise khuda hamare. Nahin? [A child has been born, and that too, a boy? Wonderful! What a great God we have. Isn't it?] And suddenly some bad news: that compound wall toot gaya makaan ka. Arre bhai, yeh kaise ho sakta hai? Kaise mumkin hai ki jub ham shishya kain unke, ham itni bhakti rakhte hain unke prati, shraddha rakhte hain. Yeh kaisa mumkin hai? Guru mein kucch na kucch truti hai. Chhod do, chalo aur anya sanstha mein chalte hain. [The compound wall of our house has broken. Oh, how could this have happened? How is it possible when I am his disciple, and I have so much faith and devotion for him? (In Sahaj Marg, one is the disciple of a man ( "his") not of the ONE (ITS). If in Sahaj Marg, the adepts think that nothing will happen to them that is relatively "bad" then they live in a "fool's paradise". They, and even their Master will die one day. ) There is some shortcoming in the guru. Leave him. Let us join a different system.] I have heard this a thousand times. (Good IDEA! Some people want to THINK for themselves ... and hence to leave a bad GURU... "Midstream, change horse!", is the new philosophy!) [It's] something bad in their opinion. (that is not bad in their opinion ... it is bad in the guru's opinion. What is bad, is continuing to have faith and devotion in a bad guru) You see, suppose you eat useless stuff at night, next morning you are going to have stomach trouble. "Nahin, nahin [No, no], if God is great, why should I have trouble? He only created it." "Arre, daaru peeke aaye… [But you drank alcohol…]" (You, the bad GURU, fed them POISON ... Division, violence, no love, no forgiveness. Their mind has been poisoned. They are not allowed to THINK with their HEAD!!) "But God only created all these beautiful things for our enjoyment." All right, try it. God can wait. (You can't speak for or make idle "veiled" threats to others for the ONE, what you call your "male" Gothic "GOD"... Soon no one will care!! and pity the "Phoney Guru".)

So don't test God or the guru. (Babuji and most true "GURUS", say to test the GURU... and not just "once" but all the TIME. I will question the ONE all the TIME ... It is not a "test" but a "relationship" between CREATOR and a participant in the CREATION) Don't evaluate your faith. (wrong!! How silly!! ) Don't pretend to know what their love is by what happens to you. (The GURU is just a MAN... a guide... When a guide leads one astray, one can leave that guide and find another or walk the Path by one's self) But always know (show it and all will know...you can't show it, because you ain't got it!! ) that their love for you, your faith in them, is for a particular purpose and that only - to reach them. (to realize the ONE is not to reach the materialist, egotist, imperialist, nationalist, and bad Guru ... but to get away from him.) And if that is going on step by step, you must never falter in your faith, never doubt their love, or be unsure of their grace. This is the only way of testing your relationship with your guru. Am I one step ahead? "No, no, I want to be one mile…" Well, that depends on you, you see. "If I could be stronger…" We do not prepare people here for the marathon, and the decathlon, and for Everest. (Babuji said that it is better to have no GURU than a Bad GURU. If you are in "mid-stream" of LIFE, and your horse (guru) falls, you are allowed to "change horse" and to not adhere to the old saying: Never change horse in mid-stream!)

Babuji determines what should be our pace: "Yeh chaal kaafi hai tumhaare liye. Ham aage aage chal rahe hain, tum peeche peeche chalo. [This pace is enough for you. I will go ahead, and you follow.] Just follow me. That you want to go faster, does it mean I must run?" Babuji asks. "Nahin, nahin, Babuji. Please aap apne rate pe chaliye." "To phir tum pareshaan kyon hote ho? Kyon mujhe bhagaate ho, ki tum bhi saath saath bhaage? Main bhaag sakta hoon kya, yeh aisi baat nahin hai. Main ek chhalaang maarunga to Himalaya ke us taraf bhi pahunch sakta hoon. Tum pahunch sakte ho saath saath? To mera chaal usi gati par hai jisme aaplog santushti ke saath, bina pareshaani, bina koi khatra, aap hamare saath chal sakte hain. ["No, no, Babuji. Please go at your pace." "Then why are you worried? Why are you trying to hasten me? It is not a question of whether I can run; with one leap I can cross the Himalayas. Can you follow along? So, my pace is such that you can follow along satisfied, without worry, without danger."] The guru's pace is adjusted to our ability to keep pace with him, not the other way around. (BE FREE... Chose your own PACE. Become adults and BE spiritual and kind, compassionate and loving and helpful to one another. Don't gauge your pace, you thoughts, your life, you thoughts, by "OTHERS" not even a "self appointed" GURU)

And inevitably, even when we are a big group, he has to look after the least capable. (in the case of Sahaj Marg, and "religions" they marginalize and beat up the least capable) Isn't it? Like you walk with the baccha [child]. Husband walks - "Chale chal chal!" "Bacche aap sambhaal rahe hain kya?" ["Walk quickly." "Are you taking care of the children?]" Yeh to hota hai hur parivaar mein. "Bacche bhi main le loon. Handbag bhi sambhaaloon, purse bhi main rakhoon, aur aap chalte jaayiye. Kaise mard hain aap?" yeh koi poochti nahin hai aurat. Mard ka farz hai ki voh soche ki meri biwi kahaan hai? Saath chal rahi hai ki nahin, saath chal sakti hai ki nahin, aur apni gati, apni chaal uske saath, uske anusaar adjust karte jaye. Nahin karte hamare mard log. "Chalegi voh!" Nahin, yeh mazaak ke taur se keh rahen hain kyonki kuch hansi bhi ho jaaye saath saath. Lekin hamara purpose bahut hi serious hai. Yeh purpose ham haath se nikaal dein, chhod dein, to hamari jaan kya, hamari zindagi kya, hamara bhavishya khatre mein hai. [This happens in every family. "I take care of the children. I hold the handbag and the purse, and you keep going forward. What kind of man are you?" - this no woman asks. (No women of the INDIAN culture maybe, but in most other cultures, the women can ask what they want, without asking permission. I gues that is why so many women like Sahaj Marg ... that FREEDOM is taken away from them! ) It is the man's duty to look out for his wife: Where is she? Is she coming along with me or not? Is she able to come with me or not? And accordingly, adjust his pace to hers. (In the case of "saintly" Sahaj Marg, and the SRCM, those who disagree, or question the MISSION are "kicked out") Our men don't do this. "She will come!" I am saying this in jest so that we have a few laughs alongside, but our purpose is a very serious one. If we lose sight of this purpose, not only our life but our future is in jeopardy.] (in jeapardy because of the danger caused by "arrogant" and corrupt religious leaders who take their followers to "violence" (attacks on ashrams and dividing families) , in their and other countries.)

Bus, itna hi hamein kehna tha. Aap log sune, iske liye ham bahut prasanna hein. Aashirvaad. [That is all I wished to say. I am happy that you all listened. My blessings.]

The 9 O'clock Prayer... Uniting all Humanity!

One thing very important concerning world peace, concerning harmony, concerning peaceful existence, harmonious existence, happy existence - Babuji Maharaj has emphasized that unless we do this 9 pm prayer, the hope of uniting all humanity will never happen. Thank you.

The violent praying for PEACE. Gee that's a NEW ONE ... I guess the reason we don't have peace is because no one has ever thought of PRAYING for PEACE. No Christian has ever prayed, no Muslim has ever prayed, no Hindu has ever prayed, no Buddhist has ever prayed...etc..etc.. for millenia ...

There is no hope of SPIRITUALITY uniting humanity as long as SPIRITUALITY becomes ritualistic as religion and thus MATERIALIST (concrete, steel, money, parking lots, airports, more travel, more gas, more pollution, etc)

A song for the Religious who pray for peace:

HEY YOU!!

Hey You! With a double face
Who pray for peace, then serve the gods of war
What's that you speak? Turn the other cheek?
You gotta think the world is deaf and blind!

CHORUS:

Get out of here, not in my space
Join the human race, and become civilized.
I was at ONE, my one in ONE
Then you came along, with your master song!

VERSE:

Hey You! Of the Master clan
With your Master Plan, and the words you bastardize,
You sow the war, then you reap the war.
You gotta think the world is deaf and blind!

CHORUS:

Get out of here, not in my space
Join the human race, and become civilized.
I was at ONE, my one in ONE
Then you came along, with your master song!

VERSE:

Hey You! Who theorize
Proselytize, and then you criticize
You victimize, then you terrorize.
You gotta think the world is deaf and blind!

CHORUS:

Get out of here, not in my space
Join the human race, and become civilized.
I was at ONE, my one in ONE
Then you came along, with your master song!

Keep Chari Happy! Give more Money!

Comments to a speech by Chari in Kolkata, India, Mar. 21, 2009

Comments by 4d-Don in "red italics"

From: "The Heart of the lion", by Chari : "The swing between the opposites is minimized until I don't know even the difference between pleasure and pain". Now he needs for the abhyasis to "keep the Master Happy". It seems that he has drifted from the Spiritual into the Material and now needs (desires) the abhyasis, rather than the other way around. The Master is "spiritually bankrupt" and needs to be "emotionally ("kept happy" is an emotional desire) bailed out". It seems that in these days of transformation, the "spiritual capitalists" who would sell salvation for the egoism that power and money bring, are grovelling, just like the material capitalists.



Keep the Master happy under all circumstances
A Talk by Master on 21st of March, 2009 at Kolkota, India

Dear Brothers and Sisters,

Today, according to the calendar, is the first day of spring (in some parts of the planet Earth, in the northern hemisphere) . It is a renewal of life after the cold, harsh winter, where everything is snowbound, trees lose their leaves, birds stop flying, and only predatory animals are there on the move: wolves, bears and such. (Wrong... Many animals which are not predators: rabbits, hares, mice, rats, etc. etc.. are out all winter (of course), why do SOME (some hibernate) predators come out if there is no "food"? ... The Master of the Natural Path, is not very well versed on "Nature". He is more knowledgeable in parking lots, real-estate developments, steel, concrete and plastics...and "capitalism")

So, to celebrate spring (in a sense, because we don't celebrate) (just the (3) birthdays bashes of the two (2) self-appointed Masters of their sect, and Lalaji, who had nothing to do with SRCM. The founder of SRCM just "used" Lalaji's name without his permission or the permission of his family or society, even though he had a legal lineage, successors, and societies. The so called "Method" of Sahaj Marg is different from the method taught by the other Lalaji groups.) I would like to tell you some things that Babuji Maharaj told me when he was very ill, towards the end of his life, and we were actually in Switzerland. (get the violins out... he is manipulating, using Babuji again) For three days the doctors said, "There is no hope." Addressing me they said, "There is no hope that you can take him back alive to India." But I never lost hope because I had seen Babuji Maharaj swing back from one extreme to another, almost in seconds. But on that occasion, he was so upset with himself. I said, "Babuji, why are you upset with yourself? There is nobody to match you in this world. (Chari using Babuji to "air" his ego... One can almost hear him say: "And I am the (self-appointed) successor of Babuji and hence: nobody can "match me"!) Your Master is very happy with you as you keep on saying. And why this sudden situation of despair, despondency?"(Babuji was in "despair", according to Chari?... Not very "Masterly"!! Is Chari in "despair", and is he projecting his despair on Babuji? ) - because he was quite determined to go. He said, "I want to go." I said, "We are going to India in a few days." He said, "No, I want to go There." I said, "But, Babuji, what will we do without you?" - taking a selfish standpoint, you know. He said, "People like you, maybe there are only a few, two or three, you will get on because you have me in your heart. (self praise...ego) But the rest of our abhyasi brotherhood don't consider me at all. They only come to me to take. Eternally they want to take. (That is the deal of the "master/disciple relationship. Babuji knew that. The Master opens an ashram and the disciples come and "take". Chari and other "pseudo-gurus" wants to change that to "the disciples give (money) and the Master takes" ) I am willing to give them the whole universe, (the "universe" is not anyone's to give, not even Babuji's ... Chari's ego talking) if they could but do the meditation properly, and in one sitting I can do it, (ego...not Babuji) but all that they bring me is their unhappiness, their sickness and their anger against me." (Anger against Babuji? This is made up, invented ... does not even sound true ... and/or is very weird. The "anger" Chari feels is against Chari, not against Babuji... he is projecting, not "channeling". Babuji use to say: We only see what we think ... that is why we should LOVE everyone.) He used these words - "They are angry with me because I don't solve their problems." He said, "I am telling you, Parthasarathi. I need Lalaji's permission for everything that I do. (Lalaji has nothing to do with Sahaj Marg, according to Kasturi's followers... Lalaji (if he could from the "other world") would give instructions to his own organization, and his legitimalely appointed successors) It is not a question of whether I can do it or not. If Lalaji permits, I can do anything, including spinning the world like a top. (Chari's ego ... projected on Babuji) But without his permission, I cannot even have a drink of water." (And Babuji, or any other "human" including "megalomaniacs", can't "spin the world like a top"... Pure fantasy.. invented. )

Please register these words carefully in your hearts, because his despair was not because Lalaji was angry with him, or he was not capable, but because abhyasis, barring a few, were only trying to put their egos in front of him, their demands for material welfare, for material growth, and so on and so forth. And when he could not do it because he was not permitted to do it by Lalaji Maharaj, they turned against him. (Who turned against him? Names??. Maybe Chari?? Another example of "division" in Sahaj Marg? These "meditators" don't seem to be very "loving", according to Chari, even to their own Masters !!) I said, "Babuji, but surely Lalaji understands all this." He said, "No, Parthasarathi. I feel miserable because I have come under the compulsion of abhyasis." (the POWERFUL Master who can "give the UNIVERSE" and "spinning the World like a top" in one sentence, in the other sentence feels "miserable" because he has come under the "compulsion" of the lowly "taking" abhyasis? Is Chari talking about himself here?) In Hindi, murabbat, as opposed to love - muhabbat. "Mein abhyasiyon ke murabbat mein phans gaya hoon - I have been caught up in their compulsions. (This is what Kasturi, the only saint in Sahaj Marg according to Babuji, the founder, said happened to Chari (see Kasturi's speech of 1995). ... I have said yes to every foolish request, every silly demand, so that I feel that today the Mission is in this condition because of me only. (because of Chari, if we believe the alleged letter from Babuji to Jahagirdar #13, 14- part 1... part 2 ) And if I go to the Brighter World, what face shall I show to my Guru?" (Is this Chari's "confession"? Who has "two faces"? Or more than "one face"?)

You see? It was a moment of extreme despair for him - how he would face his Master in the Brighter World. (this sounds like Chari's "nightmare"... see this site for another "perspective" - go to "Ramachandra of Ramachandra Mission) Because, instead of being disciplined, instead of refusing or denying so many requests that he should not have acceded to, of a non-spiritual nature, he said yes to everything. Then he said something very important. He said, "In this condition I can do so much. If only my abhyasis would keep me happy, then they will see what I really can do." (...in other words, buy the "whispers from the Brighter World" the Sequel, and keep Chari happy and see what he can do... ego ... this is the carrot... now watch for the STICK, the "threats" of eternal doom ... Spirituality or temptation and FEAR of RELIGION? Using "groupthink" or his new-found toy, "egregores"! )

See, this sentence is to be hammered into your hearts. (Sahaj Marg, the gentle, loving, harmonious and "Natural" path hammering away at your HEART !! No wonder so many young abhyasis are dying of "heart or stress related" diseases.) If you can't accept it, somebody should hammer it. (stress-ing the point) Keep your Master happy under all circumstances. Don't pit your desire against his plans. The Master has no desires. (wrong... his desires are expressed here: KEEP ME HAPPY! AGREE WITH MY PLANS) He has only plans: plans for the Mission, plans for the abhyasis - all for the welfare of the abhyasis, nothing for himself. (wrong... All for CHARI's EGO (legacy) ... there is no SPIRIT in CONCRETE or Cement!! ... Not for Ashrams built from the "materialist" centers of DUBAI)

I have spent so much time with my Babuji Maharaj. Sometimes he ate half a roti, and a small katori [cup] of daal. He was permanently ill. He was on a sort of a tightrope - morning, one, evening, another: constipation/diarrhoea, sickness/health, morose/smiling, cheerful. You have not seen him, most of you. He was on that delicate knife-edge, balanced between two opposites of life. And all that he wanted was our cooperation. (Which he (and others) apparently did not get from Chari) All that he wanted was for us to agree to what he said. He said, "Build the ashram here" - build it here. "Build it there" - build it there. But we are quarrelling now! "This ashram must not be here, it must be there. It must face this way, and not this way." (Chari's scam... get MONEY!!... Agree with Chari! Keep Chari "happy" ... Whatever happened to the warnings from Babuji and Dr. Varadachari about "commercializing" the Mission? Whatever happened to the nationalist/spiritualist "capitalists" who funded Chari's MISSION so far? Are they "BROKE"? And now SRCM (California-1997) needs "the POOR PEOPLE" to fund their Master's materialist and empirialist megalomania.

Maybe if the Master agrees to sell his soul (integrity) and to wear "blue jeans" again (as a "commercial") then the (advertising) money will come again ... Oh yes! The soul can only be sold "ONCE" ...

(Find photos (on the NET) of Chari on USA tour wearing "blue jeans" after donation from his "brother", the Indian "Blue Jean" baron)

I remember when we had the inauguration of the Shahjahanpur ashram. I had gone with him all round the previous day before the inauguration, and he was eminently happy with everything. It was the first ashram that he had built personally, and he was so joyful that he would gift it to Lalaji Maharaj as his guru dakshina (offering to the guru). (The ashram that was now taken over forcefully, with violence (see two Newspaper articles here) by "goons" from SRCM(California-1997). That issue has yet to come to court. ... and this is the same ashram that since "flooded" (Dec. 2008) . (see photos )

On the inauguration day after the satsangh, one young fellow came and said, "Babuji, it is not good to have thirteen windows." It so happened that there were four sides to that ashram. It is a sort of an octagonal structure; on four long sides there are windows, and there are thirteen windows on each side. Babuji Maharaj said, "I am sorry I did not consult you before I built it." Look at his humility! I told the young man, "Don't be stupid. (How arrogant...) Thirteen into four are fifty-two. (wrong math) That is the number of weeks in a year." And he went away very happy, you see. (How silly! Numerology and superstition? Is that how SRCM makes "decisions"... not with "divine" inspiration? )

All of us today are like that. We want our satisfaction, our opinion, our plan to be accepted. And there are some centres that have been eminently troublesome to Babuji in his lifetime, and subsequently. I caution all of you who wish to pit your intelligence and your will to do wrong against your Master's will. You may win battles here, but it will not take you one step further in spirituality. (threats?? ... using Babuji) Because from a wounded heart, from a sorrowful heart of a Master, what will you get except tears? He will still struggle to do what is good for you, but your attitude of mistrust, of self-importance, of arrogance, and the pride that you can stop his work, will definitely doom you to several lives on earth. (more threats... using Babuji) And remember what Babuji Maharaj said, "Such a time as this may not come for thousands of years again." These spiritual doors are not open like elephant doors. They open, and by divine command they stay open for as long as Divinity wishes. And when Divinity says, "Bus! [Enough!]" nothing in the universe can open that door except divine will again. (How silly... The Divine opens a DOOR?? GET REAL!! How "religious" Sahaj Marg has become. Is this "RAJA YOGA" also? Do you think you are speaking to "children"?... If they believe this and continue to give you money, then maybe you are! I think the game is OVER!! I pray for the sake of your followers and and the sake of their divided families and societies that they will finally see through your "silly" fantasies and become REAL and face REALITY again.)

I would like you all to listen to this, if it is recorded, again and again. Clear your minds. Tell yourself that your individual ego (Remember that... Chari, from Venus... ) is not worth a grain of sand. Tell yourself that you may oppose, but you cannot stop. (you are speaking to your "followers" aren't you? Or are you speaking AT your followers but really sending the MESSAGE to the BLOGGERS or the deserters from your DIVIDED Group? Why do you treat your followers as "enemies", and traitors, and deserters?) Tell yourself that however big, however important, however rich, however powerful, however intellectual you are, before Him you are as nothing. I pray for you all.

All this Temptation and FEAR, just like the "corrupt religions", so as to get the the followers to BUY the Sequel to "Whispers From the Brighter World", the all-new BIBLE of Sahaj Marg to be written by Messagees from the spirits of the dead, many "un-named", channeled by an anonymous French Lady Medium.

The Spiritual Capitalists want to be BAILED OUT again!!

The Disappointed of Chariji-ism!

Taken from Elodie's Blog in France: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg. In a comment by Alexis to an article entitled: Temoignage de Jean-Francois

Alexis has his own Blogs: SRCM=Danger, and Le Project Sahaj Marg (French & English)

The Disappointed of Chariji-ism...

In 2000-2005, no Western abhyasis knew Kasturi, Navneet Kumar Saxena (grand son of Babuji) and Dinesh Kumar Saxena (grand son of Lalaji), apart from a handful of people who were well informed (in the know) . In the best of cases, their names were not unknown, but it stops there. For Western abhyasis, SRCM and Sahaj Marg was Chari and his Mission.

Since then, things have changed. Kasturi, Navneet and Dinesh all have their own web sites, and we helped make them known to everyone.

But why are they suddenly out of the shadows?

The galaxy of Sahaj Marg is apparently some 500 000 sympathizers, with only 10% of these as regulars, and faithfull to an aging Chari, soon to be 82 years old, and his commercialized and drifting mission is now well established.

Those disappointed in Chariji-ism are legions. Chari himself is confessing his fear that his Mission will implode into a multitude of autonomous groups. And everyone is trying to recover his/her piece of the cake (birthday) . The land, the money, the adherents ...

For that nothing beats a good media exposure and they understand it:

* The descendants of Babuji have opposed the SRCM (California-1997) of Chari through the courts for a very long time. But Navneet Kumar Saxena has chosen since January 2007, to speak first on Tell me Truth India and then on its own website (Shri Ram Chandra Mission) . Why has he decided to take his fight to the media? What does he seek? And what does he gain? Justice should have sufficed ...

* Kasturi has hardened her tone towards Chari, first in 1995, and more so today. Her collaborators Akshat Gupta and Pandit Ji Somesh have created a blog (Kasturi Bhenji) in November 2006. Her "faithful" in America and Europe have emerge from the shadows since 2008 (Denise and Jean-François Mincet, in Canada, Cyrille Roux, in France, etc.).. Why now? After 25 years of silence ...

* There are also the efforts by the grandson of Lalaji, since late 2006. Less media-savvy, Dinesh Kumar Saxena stands out less clearly from Chari of whom he is a preceptor. This did not prevent him from reaffirming the Sufi origins of his lineage, and most recently (late 2008) to bring forth proof that Babuji had lost his way from Sufism, in his time.

* Let's not forget KC Narayana, son of Dr. Varadachari, who multiplies the number of his websites: the movement (Institute of Ramchandra Consciousness-ISRC), a research center, Imperience and a foundation, Sahaj Seva Samsthan, with its social achievements. A limited presence in numbers, but international and of quality.


And one can doubt the "entente cordiale" (Brotherhood?) at the top of the Chari Mission itself. Is everything going well between Ajay Kumar Bhatter the Chari-picked successor, PR Krishna the rich heir, Santosh Khanjee the "eminence grise" (Power behind the Throne) or even A.P. Durai and U.S. Bajpai, Chari's henchmen?

As long as Chari is there, no one says anything and everyone follows. But tomorrow?

Moreover, the rumor goes that that the "rag is already burning" (tension?) between Chari and his son Krishna ...

The explosion is expected! The vultures and the jackals are there, following the herd and recovering the laggards (strays?) . When the shepherd is gone, the hunt (kill, slaughter) will be on.

Friday March 20, 12:39:00 p.m. PM
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"Chari-ty" Creates a Gay Bashing Egregore!

GAY COMMUNITY RALLIES AGAINST PUB ATTACK
Father of two remains in grave condition after he was struck in the head after pool game.
From the Vancouver Sun, Mar 19, 2009



If there is "Gay Bashing" or violence against homosexuals in our world, the responsibility originates with religions, which benefit from "tax-exempt" status as "charities" in most countries.

These un-charitable homophobic messages from their egregore, voiced by their prophets, mediums or saints, and which are claimed in spoken and written words from the leadership to be "divinely inspired", then eventually filter down to the lower echelons of their dogmatic, religious PYRAMID. There, the mob or gang mentality kicks in. The "egregores", or "autonomous psychic entities" or "thought forms" are said by some sensitives to hang around, and/or be felt around emotional centers, such as pubs or other places of intoxication. The alcohol, the drugs, along with "lower-chakra (gut) stimulating" rhythmic SOUNDS, and reddish colored lights, instills a sociological personality change and an "ounce of courage" and gives some individuals the messianic feeling of actuating what everyone in the larger GROUP (society) wants, but are afraid to do, because of the legal repercussions. The "egregore actuator" even sometimes thinks that the GROUP (society) will praise and reward him/her. Some "religious" groups actually do reward this violent "GROUPTHINK" behaviour. Look at all the many saints who have in reality been "mass murderers" and "terrorists".

Then, in the right emotional environment, the GROUPTHINK process of the autonomous egregores take control of the messages of the GROUP, many of which originate with the group leaders, and the autonomous "group thought" that is erroneously claimed to be "divine", becomes "actualized" in the REAL WORLD. This process often happens without the immediate consciousness and/or awareness of the "actuator". This mob mentality can be seen in any group, mob, protests, gang, army, team, etc... and is now somewhat understood by sociologists. At one time in the not too distant past, thanks again to some religious fanatics, it was thought of as "posession" or "demonic" or "archangel" intervention.

I would like to hear the gay (and the broader) population's reaction to this statement that is transmitted via egregores (as many religions do) to the "abhyasis" (disciples), from the Master and President of the Shri Ram Chandra Mission (SRCM-California-1997) registered in North York, Ontario, headquartered in Chennai (Madras), India, and which operates as a charity in Canada and benefits from "tax-exempt" status ($60,000 on financial statement transfered to ?) . Is this "CHARITY"?? Do you want your "tax dollars" to fund the propagation of this and other such "pseudo-religious" un-charitable and violent messages?

Let your elected government representative and your "...revenue agency" know that you will not fund People VIOLENCE and the sources of its "origins" anymore!! Divine violence (volcanoes, hurricanes, supernovae, etc...) does not need our funding!


Balance-The Crux of Life
A talk given by Shri Parthasarathi Rajagopalachari (aka: Chari)
on 20th January, 2006 in Malaysia

So what wonders can it do if this is on a global scale? That is why Sahaj Marg is performing marriages—no questions asked, except whether you are old enough to get married, and whether you are a man and a woman. Unlike the churches in the world, we don’t perform same-sex marriages. That is unnatural. God did not intend it to be thus. Please excuse me, it is a personal comment, it is not Sahaj Marg. But there are things, as Babuji Maharaj said, “If God did not want two sexes, he could have as well created one and seen that the world propagated by itself.” There are unicellular organisms called amoeba which just split when they want. No problems of sex, no problems of love and hate, no problems of, shall we say, illegitimate babies, no need for Viagra. You know, when it is big enough it just splits and there are two. “Behold, there was one and now there are two,” says the Lord. So God could have done anything he wanted, you see. Why two sexes? Not so that one sex should marry among themselves, isn’t it? So, what the church may allow, I don’t have to condone or accept. To me, it is a very blatant misuse of so-called privileges of the human being, fundamental rights, et cetera. Of course, if you claim it is your fundamental right to go the dogs, so be it! Even God cannot stop it. That is not His weakness; that is His strength that he gives us the liberty to do what we will.

It like a boxing father, heavyweight champion, allowing his pugnacious teenagers to pummel away at him. He just laughs, “Yeah, go on, son. Come on, one more.” And the pugnacious son thinks he is going to knock his father out and suddenly, wham, you know. The son is at the corner of the room and the mother is wailing away: “How can you do it to my son?”


4d-Don said:

SHOW US! ... by yourself, how that deserves to be considered for "tax-exempt", and "Chari-table" status!


Other gay bashing incident in Vancouver, BC, Canada. from Pink News.co.uk


And while we are at it...

Christian Bible (King James Version) : Leviticus 20:13

Islam and Homosexuality

Message from Michael (ex--preceptor)

Message from Michael: Inner Circle of SRCM and "Skai Journey" Michael's personal blog.

Michael is an ex-preceptor of SRCM and ex-member of Chari's "inner circle". This is his reply to my e-mail to him, that he kindly allowed me to publish.

Michael said:

I spend my days in ceremony and meditation, creating a sustainable environment in which to exist as a sovereign spirit in the eyes of the creator.

The bankers, politicians, religious leaders and spiritualists have done what they can to create an environment that requires the citizen/disciple to become overwhelmed with indebtedness in exchange for gifts and trinkets. Debt is the enslavement of the new age. As our politic/religion/spirit leaders talk about environmentalism and sustainability, they continue to enslave us with unsustainable burdens of monetary and spiritual debt with the promise of a future paradise if only we totally surrender to them with total indebtedness and servitude.

Its now happening on all levels of existence, spirit/mind/body,
political/economic/environmental. This is the true state of the "end
days". But, please understand that "end days" is the creation of the
slave masters and is not part of some divine plan. In fact the journey
is infinite and there truly is no end. These grand structures being
created are not sustainable and ultimately do come to an end.

Again... I spend my days in ceremony and meditation, creating a
sustainable environment in which to exist as a sovereign spirit in the
eyes of the creator.

Unsustainable, debt based structures are collapsing under their own
weight. The "new world order" of spiritualist/politicians ask that we
give them one last chance to lead us to paradise in exchange for total
surrender and indebtedness that can never be paid. I choose to build
structures that will survive the devastation being brought upon us and
choose not to participate in this insane "slave against slave" war.

I am a warrior, not a soldier...

I am neither a disciple nor a master...

I choose to be free of indebtedness and live a sustainable existence...

I accept what the Creator provides me on my infinite journey...

I owe only my Creator for my life and the only payment required is to
love Creation...

You are right, NO ONE is needed... Because if no one shows up for the battle the Masters will have to fight amongst themselves.

As for Lalaji, he created no organizations, and asked for nothing in
return. He simply existed for the benefit of those who knew him. When
he departed, he left a void that few if any could fill. Some felt
obligated to create something in the void he left behind - SRCM,
Golden Sufi, Sant Mat, Ram Ashram etc... Some, in their delusions,
believed that they were channeling his essence, but, this channeling
is in fact their own creation in a vacuum. The simplicity of his
message became the fuel to power these new structures, created where there were none before.

We see the same in the aftermath of Jesus' life on earth. Churches and ideologies have been created in his name which have nothing to do with the man who spent 40 days in the desert on a vision quest. A man who returned from his vision quest to heal and liberate all human souls and transmit the Holy Spirit to all of humanity.

A simple message is a powerful thing. It fuels the soul and spirit and can easily be overshadowed by self serving ideologies created by those who choose to exploit its power to enslave the masses.

I have no desire to scream on the web like an angry adolescent. No single, decrepit organization deserves any more attention than another. They are all the same - they all are one. They all seek to enslave with the promise of some future freedom. It is time to build a better place to live free and proceed on the infinite journey laid before us by our Creator. Those who choose enslavement will either eventually choose freedom for themselves or die as slaves. The choice cannot be made for them when the truth stares them in the eye.

Why Does SRCM (California-1997) need "Material" MONEY?

Taken from Elodie's Blog in France: Pour Que Vive le Sahaj Marg in the comments to the article titled: Temoignage de Jean Francois

4d-Don said:

The preceptors have to LIE in their attempts to justify the constant demands for MONEY from the SRCM Management Team!


This is a comment by SAM:

Hello,

In response to my comments on the constant demands for money, my preceptor told me they had their "raison d'être": apparently, the SRCM now finances many hospitals, charities, schools, etc, and therefore needs money that is used for humanitarian purposes.

I went to search on the internet to see what these charities are that require such funding (through whispers, the hookha, the doubling of the subscription ...)

Here are the results of my research:

Omega school is a (private) school which is funded by students and therefore paying it's way easily with the price of membership. However, it is not a school that teaches in the urban slums and can respond to any humanitarian criterion but rather, it is a private school.

Scholarships to pay airfare to abhyasis who can not afford to travel to and from Manappakam coming from under developed countries. The idea is good but I have not found anywhere what budget is allocated, how many abhyasis have enjoyed funding since the creation of these scholarships, which countries they come from. No info is available, which makes me wonder. Indeed, when an action is really necessary, Chari inaugurates, makes speeches, there are statistics such as about the omega school (enrollment, class ...) but now I have found nothing. Who benefited from these scholarships, how many are there, one or one hundred? Mystery.

Free hospitals, although it is a wonderful idea but what is it? I found by searching on the internet the centers of light. It is in fact infirmaries at the ashrams, where abhyasis doctors come to volunteer one week a year or once a month and treat those who come, abhyasis or not abhyasis. The idea is commendable but does not require monumental funding, the care taking place in premises that are already existing and being manned by volunteers. I did not find any evidence of a hospital which was built by the srcm hiring staff or buying equipment. It's very different.

Then I found the one-time funding requests in the event of natural disasters, the tsunami in Southeast Asia or Hurricane Katrina. These one-time donations are collected and returned to the Red Cross, yet a laudable idea, but that has nothing to do with explaning the requests for money that were made.

Finally, finally, I discovered that srcm UK and Canada are registered as charities, the charities listed are the ashrams, seminars, and meditation halls. They were declared as organizations promoting public health through the practice of raja yoga (one is never better served than by oneself).

This is my small individual research helped me find what I quote above. Nothing explains the financing demands that are increasing.

Maybe I searched wrong? I would be delighted to be contradicted and learn that there really are charitable and humanitarian activities undertaken by the srcm and that explain the demands for money. I have not found any.

Sam

Tuesday March 17, 09:59:00 AM

What is an Egregore? Is it Part of Raja Yoga?

This is the Message from Chari, claiming he received it from Babuji (see it on Sahaj Sandesh, Mar. 9, 2009)

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"Tuesday, March 3, 2009 10:00 a.m.

The 9:00 p.m. prayer is neglected in our Mission by many abhyasis. It is important and should not be neglected like that. It is about a rallying point, and union between the hearts, on a vibratory level, where is created the favourable egregore, i.e. a subtle bond between practising abhyasis. This ritual is not to be neglected. Is this too much to ask for? It would be wise for all to become aware of it. A few moments of interiorization and convergence of thought can only serve our Mission, i.e. all our brothers and sisters who have decided to follow their divine Master. May the wise ones remember it, for the good of all.

- Babuji Maharaj."

Warning to PRECEPTORS of SRCM(California-1997)

Does that sound like Babuji? Meditate and ask Babuji ... Ask a Saint! How about the "only saint in Sahaj Marg" according to the FOUNDER, Babuji ... Sister Kasturi? You will know! It contradicts what he said about his Sahaj Marg: focussing on the ULTIMATE, not on the POWERS ...

Are you, the PRECEPTORS who are deputized and given a "title and a certificate" and a "mission", to attract others to this "cult of a Personality", ready to lure others, including children, into this "Magic and Mysticism" as used by the neophytes and amateur "imperialists, and materialists" inside the schism of SRCM (California-1997)?

Chari, the current (old) Master, may get away with it, as he is "defended" by his "POLICE" and by you, and he will not live forever! ... Who will defend you? And those you "LURE" into this "creating an...egregore" ritual by outright bold-faced lying or lying by "omission"? Some will get angry!! Are you protected from the egregores of "other sects", such as the RELIGIONS who also have "egregores" and/or "archangels" and already have a history of "violence" using such "egregores" as the egregores take on a life of their own, and change over time?

Babuji, and many other "wise men", warned about playing with, accessing and using the POWERS !! Will you heed the warning or be led by egotists and "profiteers"? This could be Babuji's (or the "autonomous egregore's") last warning. If you serve that autonomous BEAST, you will do so "WILLINGLY". The consequences are on your head as you have been made aware by Babuji while he was living, and in his books, and many others, and by this BLOG ...

This is just another ploy, a scheme, to get "MONEY" from you and to get you to buy the next issue of "WHISPERS" and to sell it to others, as the channeled Sahaj Marg Bible! Channeled by an "anonymous French Lady Medium" messages claimed to be received from some anonymous "other great souls", to be "obeyed", and repeated before even being read with the BRAIN. Don't OBEY! And dis-empower their "egregore". You can do it!

Remember, in the battles of the "egregores", the first victims are the "holy innocents", the "do-gooders", the "opponents of corruption", who are not protected by "gangs of goons" as the leaders and creators of "egregores" are. The "gangs" of corrupt "collectors of funds for birthday bashes" for the egotist LEADERS, display the behaviour described in sociology as "groupthink" and "mob mentality", and they don't act like rational or "civilized" people, but like idolatrous fans and even like murderous "brutes" as the egregores take on a life of their own.

Corrupt theology leads to corrupt spiritual practices, to corrupt philosophy, to corrupt psychology, to corrupt sociology, and the use of "egregores", "archtypes" or "archangels" to carry out cultural, racial, and nationalistic "wars".

No more egotistic "birthday parties" in the name of "SPIRITUALITY"...

Don't BECOME spiritual, as Babuji would say: Come, BE spiritual!! (inverted endo? ;-)) )

4d-Don....

To protect your family and friends, there is a "Cease and Desist Order" template here that can be changed and adapted to your situation. They (the egregore) will not let you go "FREELY".


What is an "egregore" or "egregor"

From: Embark to Mysticism:

Most of the material found here is taken from internet sources, mostly from Rosicrucian and general mystical sites. An accepted definition would be: It is the psychic and astral entity of a group. It is a kind of group mind which is created when people consciously come together for a common purpose. Each of us belong to several of these groups. The process is unconscious. There also are drawbacks, some disturbing psychic influences in many cases, and a restriction of freedom. It is impossible to free oneself from certain egregores, for example the egregores of the country you live in. However we should free ourselves from non-essential egregores.

If this process is continued for a long time, the egregore will take on a life of it's own, even if all the members should pass through transition, it would continue to exist on the inner dimensions and can be contacted even for centuries later by a group of people prepared to live the lives of the original founders, particularly if they are willing to provide the initial input of energy to get it going again. These thought-forms are created reality by an individual or a group. They exist in the exoteric and esoteric realms. They are created by groups such as societies or cultures, professions and trades, or any group. They can be accessed by all members of that group. They change as the group contacting them changes.

The egregore is prone to change, either to evolve or degenerate as members of that group change. The group then reflects the changing "egregore". This contact of group members to their "egregore" is automatic in most cases, when the member actually feels that he/she is a member of that group. Most members are unconscious of this process. There are also instances where some groups deliberately use the egregore for the spiritual development and well being of their members.

This is true of various mystical organizations. For some beginners, this is where the danger lies, because of the tendency of man to seek protection, the price of which is often a loss of freedom.

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I will add in closing: Choose your egregore carefully, it can be of utmost importance in bona fide Mystical Orders and very disastrous in the wrong hands.


From: Liora Sara Bernstein at: http://www.mystae.com/streams/scripts/egregor.html


Eliphas Levi, The Great Secret, Thorson Publishers Ltd., 1975. Chapter 10, "The Magnetism of Evil" (pp. 127-136) has a multitudinous array of egregors (spelt without an "e"):

Levi refers to the powers of nature and the cosmos as egregors. "These colossal forces have sometimes taken a shape and have appeared in the guise of giants: these are the egregors of the Book of Enoch." (p. 127).

Levi later claims, discussing the planets; "...governed by those genii which were termed the celestial watchers, or egregors, by the ancients." (p. 129)

Further on in his article he relates the egregor to the Kabbalistic Adam Kadmon ("that collective giant"), to the "Anakim in the Bible," and generally speaking to natural powers operating the world and to their analogies as they have been expressed in myths in various cultures. When he has done that, he says:

"This is why we reject the mythology of the egregors finally and absolutely." (p. 130).

The manuscript of this work had been finished in 1868 and was first printed in 1897. Levi, who had been trained as a Roman Catholic Priest, died in 1875. The founders of the Golden Dawn were acquainted with his writings. Levi himself was conversant with Rosicrucian ideas.

Also from Ms. Bernstein...

Of John Dee it has been claimed that he was the "founder of the Rosicrucian Order, the protestant response to the Jesuits" (About Dr. John Dee).

An additional question left unanswered is whether Dr. Dee was aware of the word egregor in the sense of a watcher/angel from the Book of Enoch. I have not learned his system, but as far as I know it contains four Watch Towers with designated governors, or angels. Generally speaking, the word "governor" in Dee's context is translated into Hebrew as "Sar" (the letter "shin" vowelled as "sin" and the letter "reish"), when it is retranslated it would be "arch" like "archangels (Greek "archon" also translated as 'Prince'). This type of angel, the archangel, appears in the Book of Enoch, and the "Sarim" in there are called "Irim" as well.

What is even more amazing is that the Dead Sea Scrolls refer to "towers" protected by angels. During a discussion of angelic names, M. J. Davidson, in his Angels at Qumran (Sheffield Academic Press, 1992), explains that "The group of four archangels, Michael, Sariel, Raphael and Gabriel are called by Syncellus (1.En.9.1) 'megoloi archanggeloi'. (Syncellus in his time distinguished between 'mere' archangels and 'Mega' Archangels). The same list occurs in 1QM9.14-16, where the shields of the towers are to be inscribed with these four names." (p.326).

Davidson explains that in the Qumran Community, the war between The Sons of Light (the Qumranites) and The Sons of Darkness (all outside the sect) ... "is to be conducted with acute awareness of the place of the angelic world in it.... 1QM 9.10-16 provides details on battle formations which involve four 'towers' ('Migdalot') which are apparently units of soldiers with specifically long spears and shields.... On each of their shields is written the name of one of the four archangels." (p.228).

see also: How to incarnate an "egregore" ... http://user.cyberlink.ch/~koenig/fs3.htm

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Is Chariji Trying To Destroy the Mission?

Taken from Elodie's Blog in France: Pour Que Vive le Sahaj Marg in an article called:


Is Chariji trying to destroy the Mission?

Chariji is still trying to sell us the "Whispers (From the Brighter World)" despite recent statements by Sister Kasturiji. He delayed the satsang on Sunday March 1, 2009, to promote a book he compares to the Bible and the Vedas. A book that blurs the message of Sahaj Marg, peddling lies and shames the memory of Babuji, according to Sister Kasturiji. (The only saint in Sahaj Marg, according to Babuji)

Our many defections since 2005 and the shameless marketing of the first volume did not teach them a lesson?

If this constitutes the future Sahaj Marg Bible, why is it so expensive? Why does he prohibit a new edition before 2030 when it should be spread everywhere? If we can read at most one message per day, why will he be not publish it on the Internet as the first volume?

Unfortunately there is only one answer to that, he does it for money, only for the money. This is the only thing that interests him.

One has to believe that he definitely wants to destroy what remains of the famous Shri Ram Chandra Mission history and leaving a vast field of rubble behind him.

No, really, I can not find the slightest excuse for him. Finished!

Elodie

(Comments by 4d-don are in italics and red)


Whispers from the Brighter World - A Second Revelation - Talk given on Sunday, 1st March at Manapakkam, India

Dear Brothers and Sisters,

The importance of what I am going to say makes me defer the satsangh till I have said what I have to say. (Making money is more important than "the practice". Delay the Service to pass the "collection" or crass commercialism, PROMOTION, advertisement! ) You know we have already published one volume of Whispers from the Brighter World containing messages (from an anonymous French lady Medium, and claimed to be ) from my Master, Babuji Maharaj, and other great souls of the Brighter World. (So the Sahaj Marg BIBLE will be "channeled" by "other great souls"??? They are losing it!! No forethought... just making it up as he goes along... teach that to the "children") In a few weeks, actually on the 30th of April, 2009, to celebrate the birthday of my Master, we propose to release the second volume called Whispers from the Brighter World, A Second Revelation. It is true that books have to cost money. (yes a lot of money, unlike the BIBLE) This publication, as you would have seen already in Volume One, is as good from outside as it is spiritually valuable inside. (You have seen how playing with "spiritualism" and "egregores" has "divided" your family, friends, society, and has made many "emotional" to the point of seeking solutions and even "therapy" outside of Sahaj Marg. Solutions by the secular courts, and therapy by the "pseudo-spiritual preceptors" who sell their "alternative" therapies inside the "Churches" and/or Ashrams. ) I may also tell you, if you are willing to consider it as such, my happy (happy for you, and your "dream", not for the "divided world around you who also has "dreams"... ) information that there will be at least two more volumes after volume two: Volume Three, Volume Four, which we hope, with Babuji’s messages, to be released on 30th April 2010 and 2011. If He graces us with His wisdom, with His advice and with His blessings, there will be even a fifth volume in 2012. Thereafter, Insha Allah! (So he just keeps changing the "new issues" of his books that never end ... he's found a "gold mine" and he is "milking it", just like fiction writers, who addict (suggest as in: "post-hypnotic suggestion") their "clients" into purchasing their "next" book.)

These books will form the Bible of Sahaj Marg. (channeled by an anonymous French lady Medium and sent by "other great souls", and even by "autonomous psychic entities called "egregores". ) If you have read Volume One with the attention that they deserve to be read, these messages are from out of this world. (from the MIND and from an "egregore"... collective Groupthink ... or a delusion) Therefore they qualify to be called shruti. (very "shrewd-ie") Shruti means revealed (not channeled from "other" unknown spirits and/or egregores. ) knowledge — not heard knowledge, not thought-of knowledge, not intellectual, not owing any authorship to human beings. (But to an autonomous psychic entity, "egregore", according to CHARI, which is "of the MIND", GROUPTHINK ) Babuji was a human being, He is divine. (Now Babuji is going to be "divinized", just like the Christ of the Christians) From the source in the Brighter World, whatever comes is not only worth listening to, and to be read, but it is very important that you follow those precepts, those principles, the advices given in Volume One and which are going to be given in Volume Two, and I expect in three and four; and hopefully, prayerfully, in Volume Five. (Now the Channeled messages from the DEAD are "Precepts" and "Principles" to be OBEYED... Including the ONES not given yet ... That is great Philosophy (NOT) and worthy of the most corrupt RELIGION... He is Salting the "gold mine" then "milking the cash cow" before the product is "created" or ready for sale)

Don’t look at what you have to pay for it. (Don't use your Brain ... Brainwashing ... take the money from your family, children and give it to CHARI!! DON'T! Take care of your family, the POOR, the NEEDY and the SICK and be SPIRITUAL and insist that your Master BE SPIRITUAL, not just an addict to the material and the sensual rush of MEDITATION or rituals in a GROUP with an egregore and/or GROUPTHINK ...) Even today I am told that [with] gold costing fifteen hundred rupees a gram, people are buying gold. (Chari knows about Gold and the MATERIAL ... Maybe he can get more "funding" from the nationalist/capitalist who's been funding him in the past!! Wear some more Blue Jeans as a COMMERCIAL for the generous DONORS to your Commercial EMPIRE!! ) It is just a metal. If you don’t know where it is, it’s lost, the value is gone. If tomorrow gold falls to five hundred rupees a gram, you have lost money. Whereas what you are going to get is the Bible of Sahaj Marg, the Vedas of Sahaj Marg, the shruti. (What a JOKE... Sahaj Marg has sure sunken from claiming falsely to be a "modified Raja Yoga" to this "spiritualism" ... Sir Walter Scott said: "What a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive"... It sure applies in this "corrupt religion". The Bible of Sahaj Marg will only have "one issue" and other editions are "prohibited" until 2030 or "50 years", whichever comes first... ;-)) )

I would request you not to hesitate, (get out the wallet, and tell everyone that there are "no demands for Money in Sahaj marg"... all is FREE... It's called "selective pressures" or "peer pressures", and it will make some "gullible souls" obey. but it ain't SPIRITUALITY... just crass commercialism) but to acquire a copy before you leave this hall, before you leave this ashram. And pass this message on to all your brothers and sisters, because they will not be reprinted within the next fifty years ( From 2009 to 2030 is not equal to 50... He's just inventing stuff as he goes along. He's under the control of the autonomous psychic entitiy called the "egregore") — not any of them. Volume One will not be reprinted. Volume Two will not be reprinted — there will be only one edition. And if my successor feels that it is necessary, may be sometime in 2030, 2035, you may see a second edition. This is my decision, so don’t look for a second edition. It will not come. This is policy. This is an instruction to my successor, Ajay Bhatter, that there shall be no reprint of this book before the year 2030. (And Ajay Bhatter will OBEY? How will he raise his money? He will no doubt say in the future that the "deceased" Chari sent him a message from the Brighter World to "reprint" the Bible. And that is to be the Sahaj Marg Bible? What a con-man... in France, Chari is called: "le Grand Lascar" (con-man) and Babuji: "le Grand philosophe". It seems like the "great con-man", has won the day and is now milking the herd or flock of the "grand philosophe".)

So please acquire it and don’t depend on the computer to read it everyday, because Volume Two will not be released on the internet till I say it should be done. (Oh! we expected that... ) There you see it like a cinema — freely, it doesn’t make any impression. These messages are intended to be — you are advised to read one each day, no more. ( another ritual or "order" made up as he goes along) It may be one line or it may be five lines. The famous Veda vaakya [sentence], satyam vada [speak the truth], is only two words. Dharmam chara [be righteous] — another two words. So Vedic knowledge does not come in big, you know, pages and pages. That is left to us human beings. I am speaking to you over a period of, may be ten or fifteen minutes, in which you could have said, “What are you gabbing about? Why all this blah-blah? Say, ‘It is important’ — three words. And we accept your advice.” (here is your "post hypnotic" command... Now DIS-OBEY and show your FREEDOM)

I hope you will all accept my advice because it has been my very great privilege, probably the fruit of my past tapasya [penance] in so many lives, that I am able to prepare Whispers for printing, and therefore I have read them again and again and again before they come to you. (now it seems to come from Chari, not Babuji ... oops a Freudian slip ... I guess the "egregore" is at work again ... He 's trying to make us believe that he knows his past lives ... WRONG!! EGO! DELUSIONS!! )

Please accept what I say. Money is earned, money is lost. Today we see billionaires falling (and pseudo-Spiritual capitalists also) — what of two hundred rupees or five thousand rupees. Billionaires! One billion [dollars] is worth five thousand crores. They are nowhere today. Yesterday’s king, as Babuji used to say, is today’s pauper; and today’s pauper is tomorrow’s king. But in spirituality we shall all rise to the divine kingdom which is called the Brighter World. (And like all BILLIONAIRES, he's at the trough, trying to suck some more money from the hard-working COMMONERS ... SHUT them DOWN. Get them off the backs of the PEOPLE, like "Vampires" ... Close the material structures (churches) and FEED THE POOR and the NEEDY. History will remember them as addicts and parasites, just like the rest of Religions, not our MASTERS nor our LEADERS, and not in a position to give advice anymore. LOSE THE MATERIAL MISSION and start being SPIRITUAL.)

Under the influence of modern education, we have turned the brain into our storage device whereas it is only a computing machine. It is as corruptible, if not more corruptible, than a hard disk, because a brain can be ruined in one second, either by physical damage, or electrical damage, or by just collapse of its functions, as has been known very well in medical history. The true storage device for the human being is the heart, (Wrong... the heart is a PUMP, not a storage device. And the heart is also "corruptible" and will "break down" in many unhealthy conditions, and/or at the end of the Life of the entity, just like the Brain.) and shrutis must go into the heart, smritis [scriptures written by great saints] to the head. What I am now speaking about is the shruti — the four or five volumes projected of Whispers from the Brighter World, which, I sincerely assure you, will be the body of Veda for Sahaj Marg for all time. (Shruti's or Shrewd-ies, by an anonymous French lady MEDIUM who is channeling messages from "other anonymous great saints" does not constitute Shruti's or "shrewdies" but maybe it will fool the "dummies".)

I pray that you will all be wise (gullible, dummies, living dead who use their heart to think, etc...) and acquire what is most valuable for you: wisdom, spiritual knowledge and Babuji’s blessings. (Wisdom, Spiritual Knowledge, and Babuji's blessings, like all other "gifts" from the DIVINE, don't have to be BOUGHT in a "pyramid sales scheme"... crass commercialism, sales, promotion, and more commercialism, advertising and "post-hypnotic" suggestions ...

They (SRCM (California-1997) are in financial crisis and are trying to get you to bail them out like all the CAPITALISTS. These are just other "SPIRITUAL CAPITALISTS" , televangelists, scam artists, who sell you the "illusion" of LIBERATION or Salvation in the "other World" ... DON"T BUY it again. It's like an OPIATE and as addictive ... It is a tactic of the 12th century with a 20th century "trade-marked" commercial PRODUCT ... WE are more evolved than that!! Aren't you??). Teach these CAPITALISTS a lesson this time so they can become SPIRITUAL and not be so greedy, power-addicted and materialistic, next time. Maybe they will see the POOR, the SICK, the NEEDY as more important than birthday parties, Ashrams, and sensuality under the guise of spiritual or "narcissistic "navel gazing" with a promise on the OTHER SIDE ... Just like RELIGION. They are trying for their last pool of money, their last scam, before they GO DOWN!! Just like Bernie Madoff, who "made off" with the LOOT in a Ponzie Scheme.


Thank you.

Waaldijk frank said ...

(Frank is SRCM's ex-Zonal-in-Charge for the Netherlands. He now has a Blog: The Pitfalls of Spirituality See his article: Obedience and Groupthink: the Sahaj Marg Example)

elodie,

I am in complete agreement. the more I see the path that chari takes, the more I realize that my past hope that Sahaj marg could bring some good to the world-was misplaced.

this new path ... "whispers" confirms once again that money plays a very important role in Sahaj Marg today.

I still wonder from time to time anyway, why devote my energy to comment on this?

Well, I think there are people who will benefit and will arrive earlier to the same conclusions as us. on the other hand, there are many other cases in the world worth a serious criticism. cases much worse in my eyes than Sahaj marg.

for me a reason to continue my comments (not often, however) is that with Sahaj Marg, I have 12 years experience (with many good things too). then one can not easily say that my criticism is unjustified or ill-informed.

but like you I have lost hope that Chari and Sahaj marg will resume the simple spiritual journey ... where money plays no role.

thank you for your messages,

cordially,

frank

Elodie said ...

Jean-François has added a new comment on your message "An Interview with Sister Kasturi:

(Jean-Francois and Denise Mincet are preceptors for Sister Kasturi (now living in Victoria, B.C.) They are not associated with SRCM (California - 1997) and Chari. Denise has done (and continues to do) some translation work for Sister Kasturi.)

I knew Babuji well in India and France. I was made a preceptor in 1976 by Babuji (I was 22 years). I also know Chari, having met him in France and also in India while I was following Babuji in his travels. At each visit of Babuji, he showed me his divinity on several occasions. This is not imagination but deep spiritual experiences. I saw his divine splendor hidden behind his disconcerting simplicity. I saw the beauty and purity to which a sincere and searching soul should aspire. His system is perfect and it can help each and everyone in his/her search towards the Absolute, the Ultimate. All the drifting that I witnessed after his physical disappearance had nothing to do with what our Babuji has taught us. There should not be any money and contributions in his system. The Ultimate does not sell its grace grace and Babuji neither.

Kasturi represents well the purity of Babuji and his system. Babuji had sent us Kasturi to France in 1977 to work on the abhaysis. He gave her the title of Saint in her lifetime. In his correspondence with her, Babuji wrote that he had taken her across the Rings of Splendour in 1975 and that he had immersed her in the Ultimate (Bhuma), the extreme Divine condition (Anant Yatra - vol.5 - Anant Yatra means Journey in the Infinite, which is a collection of the correspondence between Babuji and Kasturi between 1948 and 1975, approximately 900 letters; Babuji had instructed Kasturi to keep these letters carefully in order to publish them when the proper time came for the benefit of mankind. The first 2 volumes have been translated by Denise (Mincet), she continues to translate and her translations are all discussed with sister Kasturi before the publication in French).

Babu Ji is a divine personality, which is quite different from a Master. Those who knew him, saw his extreme humility and simplicity, and his love. I found similar qualities in Kasturi. She is now able to confer divine conditions and advancing all sincere abhyasis. We go to see her regularly in Lucknow.

I must add that I left everything connected with the mission of Chari in July 1986. For this mission no longer corresponds anymore with what Babuji had brought. Babuji has never asked for obedience in the Mission. Instead, he spoke of love, when love is there, the confidence is there. Blind obedience destroys the sense of discernment, which is essential in spirituality; discernment must accompany us at every moment along the way. Babuji has never asked for blind faith, and he always said to experiment and to see the changes in one's self.

It is understandable that many people find themselves despising the nature of Sahaj Marg (SRCM-California-1997) and unfortunately they end up rejecting it totally. The real Sahaj Marg is a path of divine light that should lead everyone towards Peace and beyond, despite all the difficulties of earthly life. But who gives peace? Search your heart and pray Babuji to bring you to him. But let's take "Babuji" in its broadest and unlimited sense ie in his Divine state of Reality.

Denise and I left France, but there are in France abhyasis and preceptors trained by Kasturi, practicing the system in simplicity, without any organization, but connected to Babuji and connected to Kasturi.
I hope with all my heart that you receive the blessings of Babuji and his grace.

Jean-François Mincet, a servant.

If you have any questions, please contact us at dmincet@gmail.com

PS I am not proselytizing, I hate that. I am simply trying to tetify to what my Master gave me, and which nobody in the world could have given me. But today, though disembodied, he may give just as much by transmission to those who have not met physically. Denise can attest to this.

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