Taken and translated from Elodie's blog: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg. This is an article by Alexis called: Coup de Maitre.
A Master Stroke
Chari has talent.
Let us recognize it, once does not make a habit, but Chari has achieved a Master Stroke!
The annual Essay Competition of the "Annual All India Essay Writing Event" offered to youth in all schools in India to mark the International Day of Youth, August 12, 2009 is a great advertisement for the Shri Ram Chandra Mission (SRCM California-1997) .
The SRCM is not at its first attempt since, according to SRCM, this action has been undertaken since 1989 and that it has mobilized nearly 75, 000 children and youth participants from 10 to 24 years of age, in 2008.
But this year's novelty is that it is organized by the SRCM (California-1997) in collaboration with the Information Center of the UN for India and Bhutan (UNIC).
Master stroke or communication genius, here is the accreditation of the SRCM with the Department of Public Information of the United Nations obtained in late1985 and finely exploited, speaking media-wise.
It is a huge success as now, to the eyes of teachers, pupils and parents, the SRCM, the SMSF and SMRTI, are all closely related to the UNIC and to the UN, in the minds of people, not to mention the re-broadcasting of the information by the media.
The communication of the SRCM (California-1997) has not always been remarkable, far from it. But this time, the "seduction operation" has been successful beyond all expectations.
Certainly, the SRCM is only linked to the UN solely because of its accreditation to its Department of Public Information (UNDPI), as over 1,500 other NGOs along with it. And the association of NGOs with DPI gives it nothing more than access to local and UN information and in no case any consultative status.
But in Indian public opinion, the name of the SRCM is now associated with the most prestigious United Nations.
So that is Chari's dream come true. His perseverance has paid off, he is poised to win his bet: to exploit for for his own personal ends, the small accreditation of his movement with the UNDPI to promote Sahaj Marg ® and gain recognition and respectability in Indian public opinion .
Hats off, sir.
You really pulled a fast one on us!
The UN has declared that 2009 will be the International Year of Reconciliation. This, that the SRCM describes in 3 competition categories by age of participants, from the youngest to the oldest: "Give Love Get Love", "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you", "Love has hope , Hatred is hopeless. "
The thoughts suggested by the SRCM to the competitors are: "How does peace and friendship in society benefit the individual? Can there be Irreconcilable differences if everyone accepted this? R. Ingersoll has said," Give to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself. "What do you think? Can Love be a potent instrument of reconciliation?"
Hats off, sir. We've been had! But we are not fooled. While the SRCM says one thing, it does another.
Between words and deeds (there is a difference) ...
Thus the SRCM has partnered with the International Year of Reconciliation and the International Days of Peace, Human Rights, Children, Youth and Families.
Reconciliation, Peace and Human Rights: When one thinks of the court cases of the Babuji family opposed to Chari's SRCM (California) for years, to the re-taking of ashrams by force, to the eventual (alleged) attempts of poisonings ...
Children, Youth and Family: when one thinks that Babuji forbade children from meditating (Sahaj Marg) before 18 years of age, while Chari's SRCM is assiduously courting them with the SRCM and its VBSE, and the LMOIS (Boarding) school, or this contest, as countless families are broken up by the introduction of Chari into the heart of the couple's relationship, and the separation of men and women for meditation and/or retreats ...
What about the rights of women, homosexuals, and so on?
See also the Seduction Operation of the UN by the SRCM (California-1997):
http://proselytismesrcmsm.blogspot.com/2008/02/9.html
Alexis
For more on SRCM (California-1997) and the UN (with letter template) :
Shri Ram Chandra Mission and the UN
Jehova's Witnesses and the United Nations
SRCM Dictatorship at United Nations DPI
Lesons for SRCM(California-1997) From Babuji's lettter to UN
Suggestions for SRCM (California-1997) and United Nations DPI
United Nations and the SRCM (California-1997) Delinquency
Comments by 4d-Don:
The official UN/DPI Web page explains about associated organizations: “Please note that association of NGOs with DPI does not constitute their incorporation into the United Nations system, nor does it entitle associated organizations or their staff to any kind of privileges, immunities or special status
Yes... Chari (or his team of serfs ... specially Mr. Puul, who works at the UN and is SRCM (California-1997) liaison with the UNDPI) has talent, character, but can he (or they) teach ethics, morality, theology and/or spirituality?? Religion and SPIRITUALISM they can, but so can "anyone" teach or use that historically overused SCAM that only fools the really "gullible", naive or desperate. Some people are ready to believe anything and we have to let them...
This "EXPOSE" is for those who don't want to be "taken in" by yet another sexist, racist, intolerant, spiritualist "snake-oil" salesman ... dressed in the clothing of a "Yoga Meditating" nationalist businessman Guru!!
Comment (translation) by 4d-don on Elodie's blog in Europe:
Pour Que Vive le Sahaj Marg
Hi Alexis and all ...
We have often heard it said (by the representatives of developed countries (capitalist and democratic)) that the UN was "corrupt" ... The DPI appears to be as corrupt as the "mother" society. The UN has no credibility among my circle of friends.
We know that the Jehovah's Witnesses, were part of UNDPI and volontarily resigned. The UNDPI did not "show them the door".
Even knowing the views and teachings of the Jehovah's Witnesses in regards the UN ... and they were accepted (1992-2001) as "members of UNDPI"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah% 27s_Witnesses_and_the_United_Nations
It seems that the global government of the "New World Order" (Kissinger, O'Bama, et al) will have to emerge from groups like the EU. (from Europe (including Russia), and "United States" (US) of the Americas (North and South), and the "United States" (U.S.) of Asia (the TRINITY or "Trilateral-ism"), not from the UN which shows itself again to be too "corrupted" ... If they can not even manage effectively the small "DPI" department, how will they manage the global world.
I tried several times to send them letters to make them aware of the "SRCM" REALITY, but I never got an answer. I think someone at the UN has intercepted my letters ...
See the website: "Shri Ram Chandra Mission (SRCM) and the UN" to see my letters to the UN ... letters I sent several times ... You can make copies and send them to the UNDPI:
http://srcmun.blogspot.com/
The representative of the SRCM (a gentleman named: Puul) who works at the United Nations has done his work and has infiltrated the UNDPI for the SRCM which is not democratic and does not promote the ideals of the UN . It seems that the UN does not even support its own criteria.
The rot is everywhere! All systems are under pressure, and become corrupt and break down because of entropy (the measure of disorder in a system)! ;-))
4d-don
Mon, August 31, 2009 06:28:00 PM
Monday, August 31, 2009
Saturday, August 29, 2009
Chari's Birthday Bash Speeches (July 24, 25, 2009)
Taken from: Sahaj Marg.org site
Comments by 4d-Don in red italics
This first message is allegedly (according to Chari) from Babuji, who has been dead since 1983. Now Babuji is apparently conveniently sending messages to Chari "directly" after sending his messages for years to an anonymous French lady Medium (a non-professional). Sahaj Marg is now SPIRITUALISM ... as opposed to "SPIRITUALITY" a system such as "Raja Yoga" where even the belief in the ONE (what some call "GOD" or the CREATOR) is not necessary! Some adepts even believe in "NOTHING" or "ZERO" ...
signed Babuji Maharaj.
If this was "channeled", it would not be "signed" ... it was not given on a "paper" was it? ... Let us ( or a handwriting expert...) check that "signature" please as we hear that at Sahaj Marg, some "un-ethical and immoral characters" allegedly sometimes "forge" other people's signature and claim fictitious statements to be from Babuji and Lalaji, for their own personal gain.
Apparently, they even forge, manipulate or "invent" their own history, claiming that Lalaji is their "first Master"... Lalaji who's method was "shabda Yoga" among many techniques, and who has his own legitimate following and organizations. Babuji was not a preceptor of Lalaji and only met him a few times when he was 18 years old, according to his own journal... See exerpts from: Autobiography of Ram Chandra) ... the real one, that contains 80% of Babuji's journals, and published by the Family of Babuji. Unlike Chari's version which represents only 20% of Babuji's journals. (See comment about Chari's group and their "dirty spirit" tactics in the introduction to volume 1, second part, by the author, S.P. Srivastava)
(You're most welcome!! Now go and "lie" no more!! And tear down this wall, this TRAP, this "Spider's web", Mr. Chari, and let my people go ... let them be FREE... not slaves to their "desires" anymore, as you have them negatively affirm every day in your PRAYER!!)
Comments by 4d-Don in red italics
This first message is allegedly (according to Chari) from Babuji, who has been dead since 1983. Now Babuji is apparently conveniently sending messages to Chari "directly" after sending his messages for years to an anonymous French lady Medium (a non-professional). Sahaj Marg is now SPIRITUALISM ... as opposed to "SPIRITUALITY" a system such as "Raja Yoga" where even the belief in the ONE (what some call "GOD" or the CREATOR) is not necessary! Some adepts even believe in "NOTHING" or "ZERO" ...
Message given on 24th July 2009
A message conveyed by Rev. Master at Tiruppur, India on 24th July, 2009
Dear Brothers and Sisters,
I have received a message from my revered Master, Babuji Maharaj, and I have to share it with all of you because it is important for every abhyasi to listen carefully to what he has conveyed to us, and to follow the advice that is given here. This is what Babuji Maharaj has said. (Lie number ONE... To channel messages from the dead is not SPIRITUALITY but SPIRITUALISM... Please change your PR material so as to tell the TRUTH!!! This is also not "Raja Yoga"!! Tell the TRUTH!! Which part of the "eightfold path" speaks to "channeling messages from the spirits of the dead"? Babuji left enough "writings" in his lifetime to show that these channeled "Whispers" are not true, not necessary, and are just "money-making schemes". I guess no one believes Chari anymore, and now he has to use Babuji and his "alleged channeled words" in a "spiritualist" ritual, so as to gain credibility.
Sahaj Marg is not a "meditation system" anymore but a "seance-driven", channeled messages from the dead, (Who can question their "words"? Anything can be said in their name!!! ) ... words that according to Chari, are to become the "Bible" of Sahaj Marg... Has anyone read these "Whispers"? Shame!! What a Sham!! What a Scam!! from something that was suppose to be "sacred"!! We'll have to call on the spirit of "Harry Houdini", to debunk yet another "spiritualist" scam!! Houdini spent much of the latter part of his life exposing and debunking such "shams"!! )
“Lord Krishna (Is Krishna not from what Chari calls "corrupt Hinduism" and "religion" ??) blesses our way for what it is, and for what it will become, within the framework of an expansion of consciousness, the principles for which is set in motion. Our Mission is making progress to that effect. Our Beloved son, your Master, is acting fully towards this prospect. (Chari is praising himself, claiming the praise comes from Babuji.) Time is pressing; (Chari is religiously creating a sense of fear and urgency) don’t look back anymore, except for memories of admiration and gratitude towards a perfect Being equipped with all that which constitutes the divine greatness manifested here below, and who had illuminated the world at a time of obscurantism — as far as this great figure of our history is concerned.” (Of course, he is referring to himself and to Lalaji Maharaj).
Babuji, being the "humble" person he was, would not refer to "himself" as: "...this great figure of our history..." Also, the pronoun "this" means "one person. To refer to two "great figures" (Babuji and Lalaji) , the correct pronoun would be "these". Babuji, allegedly being"divine", would know this. Grammar is not "beyond the divine"... even English grammar.)
“Your objective must be: advance, serve, and contribute to the greatness of our Mission in all its forms here and now, and open doors, those of the Spirit, in all its manifestation. That is the objective of the present. Man looks back; that is in his nature, but he must forge ahead, especially in this pivotal period when everything can change course from one moment to the next. (Chari creating fear and urgency again.) Time is pressing. ‘The inconceivable’ is in the offing; you should focus your efforts accordingly.
Be creative and vigilant. Draw your inspiration from the past to better build a future, more in adequacy with the objectives of the higher powers. All the great Beings turn their attention to man’s elevation — a very vast subject — for an objective excluding any error, which would be fatal for him. (creating fear again... What "great Beings"? "Aliens from "other dimensions"?? Cryptic! )
Explore what we offer to you with more attention. Your minds caught up in the upheaval of ‘modernism’, don’t see the main thing anymore. Deepen our teachings, (Yes... Please "deepen" your teachings!! Make them "logical" and at least TRUE!!) including this celestial manna represented by these messages. (Give me a break... "these "messages" or "whispers" some allegedly from Chari's Mother, his wife and other "elevated souls", are "mental pap", not the Judeo-Christian's biblical "manna".) You don’t realize how important they are. (Important as a "fund-raiser" not as a "theology" .) They have nothing sensational, on the face of it, but they radiate energy and a truth, which few hearts really grasp. (Oh yes! lol lol ... If the words don't say anything, claim that the "meaning" is in the "vibrations" of the words ... shame on you! The serfs must really be "brainwashed" if they believe that "crap" to be anything but "a scam"!! It is just a way of selling the "suckers" one more books that regurgitate "pap" and useless words!! But if they read it "repeatedly" (seven or eight times, according to Chari), it "may" erase their samskaras... WOW!! And Chari pooh poohs the Roman Catholic "confession" stating that it isnot "possible" ...) You should interiorize yourselves and advance on the way of love; there lies the main thing and the strength of the future world, cleaned up and restructured for its safeguarding.
signed Babuji Maharaj.
If this was "channeled", it would not be "signed" ... it was not given on a "paper" was it? ... Let us ( or a handwriting expert...) check that "signature" please as we hear that at Sahaj Marg, some "un-ethical and immoral characters" allegedly sometimes "forge" other people's signature and claim fictitious statements to be from Babuji and Lalaji, for their own personal gain.
Apparently, they even forge, manipulate or "invent" their own history, claiming that Lalaji is their "first Master"... Lalaji who's method was "shabda Yoga" among many techniques, and who has his own legitimate following and organizations. Babuji was not a preceptor of Lalaji and only met him a few times when he was 18 years old, according to his own journal... See exerpts from: Autobiography of Ram Chandra) ... the real one, that contains 80% of Babuji's journals, and published by the Family of Babuji. Unlike Chari's version which represents only 20% of Babuji's journals. (See comment about Chari's group and their "dirty spirit" tactics in the introduction to volume 1, second part, by the author, S.P. Srivastava)
Awaken to the Truth
A Message given by Rev. Master at Tiruppur, India on 25th July, 2009
I was lost in the bhajan [devotional song] and the mood that it evoked inside; and suddenly I have been asked to say a few words! All that I can say is that daily you see on your computer screen one message from my Master. (channeled by an anonymous and "un-professional" French Lady Medium) The frequency of his communication must impress upon our hearts the need for deeper and deeper understanding, more and more dedication in our practice, in our faith, and better and better utilization of the time available to us. When I asked Babuji Maharaj, “What is wisdom?” he said, “Live as if you are going to die the next moment.” Live as if you are going to die the next moment. (Gee, that is "original"... There must be hundreds of other persons who said the same thing. So much for "originality" and uniqueness of Sahaj Marg.) If that is the sentiment which we adopt in the conduct of our life, we won’t fool around looking for pleasures, diversions, amusements, gratification. We will put our soul into every moment of our existence, and that is the only way to build the future. (And what is a "birthday bash" if not "pleasure, diversions, amusement, gratification ??). I guess all the music of Sahaj Marg is "divine".... NOT any more than "other music"...)
So what can I say which my Master is not telling us every morning? We have had two volumes of Whispers from the Brighter World. I am in the process of preparing the third volume. And as they say in Islam, Insha-Allah [God willing] there will be a fourth volume. I look upon these four volumes, when they are eventually produced, as the four Vedas of our Sanatana Dharma, because these are indeed not smriti but shruti (received knowledge, not ‘mentated’, not thought, not intellected). (you got that right... not thought out at all, and not "spirituality" but "spritualism" with messages from the dead, seances, channeling, etc...) And that is the highest knowledge that we as human beings can receive when we are privileged to have a guru of that stature who can communicate with us from what he calls the Brighter World. (Where is that "Brighter World" again? Around "Venus" where Chari claims he will go after his death? (According to Chari, himself!! ) And some of these messages, you know, they show us what an unhappy, miserable existence is ours on this earth which we think is the best, of which we think so much, to which we are so much attached, and from which we do not want to depart, all because of the body consciousness that we have, which makes it possible to fool ourselves through the pleasures of the five senses. (As all can see, there is NO gratefulness in Sahaj Marg for the gift of this LIFE!! Ungrateful "living dead"!! Maybe if they "lived" alive, they would be more "grateful" for the gift from the ONE "divine". I guess they won't "miss" it then, when they are "dead dead", really "DEAD"... Hopefully, "Insha-Allah", they won't come back to this world, so to create their "opiatic fear and temptation" on the psyche of the Masses again. We will finally be FREE from this "religious" fantasy called "Sahaj Marg" and other such "religions" with their "fear" and "un-gratefulness" tactics".)
You see what an illusory world we live in, what in Sanskrit we call maya (illusion). And to get out of this illusion we must be like a spider. (Oh! Now become like a "spider"! First it was a LION, now a spider. All the predators, I see) I was thinking early this morning of a spider which weaves a web, beautiful web. If you see a spider’s web on a winter morning with the sun rising behind it, you see its beauty. They are wonderful strands which are traps for everything in life, but from which the spider can escape. It is not caught in its own web. But we are caught in our own web. (You are, as you have spun a web of materialism, spiritualism and deceit, not US who have not spun a web.) We weave webs of fancies, webs of desires, webs of ambition, and in these small steps of what we call advancement in this world, whether it be for money or power or position, we are satisfied, we think we are masters of this earth. And because of our attachment, we are doomed to come again and again until this is broken. ("It" is broken for us... We do not have material "power", "ambition", "advancement". Those are your "traps" and your fancies, and your desires, not ours...Preach at yourself!! )
These bhandaras [spiritual gatherings] (birthday bashes are not "spiritual" they are "psysical" material and religious pomp and ceremony and spiritualist "tourism" for the benefit of the "inner circle" of Sahaj Marg and their very material "businesses".) should most of all awaken us to the reality of the situation that we are living in an illusory, unreal world, full of false promises, temptations, traps. And to escape out of this, some sort of teaching is offered, some sort of instruction is given. And in these sessions of meditation that we participate in, we lose ourselves (I once was lost but now I'm Found... your are still lost and losing yourselves more and more everyday) ; and suddenly you wake up, when we say, “That’s all,” and often, if you have gone deep enough, you are bewildered as to where you are. You don’t know for some moments where you are, what you are, and why you are here. (sounds like sahaj Marg does not bring: consciousness but really confuses the "adherents", (from "Adhesive" meaning: glued or stuck) I hope you all experience such states of being, which show us that the ultimate condition is one of nowhere, not now, not here. Then where? It is in such a condition that we are in a world where there is no time, (there is no TIME, just MOTION measure as TIME) there is no place, there is no knowledge. (There is "SOMETHING", not "nothing"... just open the eyes and come out of the "illusion") In fact that is the divine realm of which Babuji Maharaj calls the Brighter World. (Made up by whom, this 'Brighter World"? Sounds like the fantasy of the "heaven" of other religions.)
I am happy to see so many of you here. (Most from the three provinces in India, where Sahaj Marg has spread, since Chari "commercialized the MISSION of Babuji, which was not to be "commercialized". 35,000 in a Indian population of one Billion is not a great "spread" .) I hope to see more and more in future years because that is the way things must grow. This must spread. I was talking to some young persons this morning of the trap into which religion puts us — every religion, all religions, everywhere in the world. False promises, useless practices; if I may be permitted to say so, unholy loyalties. If a god has to tempt me and promise me things which even God cannot deliver, then what is that religion worth? Why are we addicted to it? Why are we grovelling before false gods? There are false gods, but only one true God. Ekam sat [The Truth is one]. (I hear from some who leave Sahaj Marg, that Sahaj Marg worships "false gods". They create false "gods" of men (not women). Chari's "brotherhood" is not very deep and respectful of other "religions". What Chari accuses other "religions" of doing and being, is what he and SRCM(California-1997) does. Methinks they doth protest too much (Shakespeare).. Chari's blessings on "marriages" does not protect them from "seperation" and even an alleged "suicide". Chari who promises to "erase samskaras" is doing the same "temptation" he accuses other religions (not Sahaj Marg) of doing.
So it is time to say goodbye to religion. (Good bye Sahaj Marg, the "neo-religion" according to Babuji and Vivekananda, in the Autobiography of Ram Chandra, published by SRCM (Shahjahanpur), registered in India, 1945.) As Babuji says, “Where spirituality begins, religion ends.” We don’t give up religion. We don’t preach that we destroy religion. We are not here to break temples or idols. We are here to find the truth, what we call akhlaaq. What is the truth? Where is He? Babuji Maharaj says if He is anywhere, He is in your heart. (You can't take the TRUTH!! REALITY is not what Sahaj Marg adherents realize, even about the "history" of their own origins, the "TRUE" history of Sahaj Marg and SRCM) And he says if He is not here [pointing to heart], for you He is nowhere. Please understand this carefully. If He is not here, He (meaning God) is nowhere for you. (the ONE is not a "HE"... That is not the TRUTH!!... God (and Lord) is a "Gothic (German) word" and is not the ONE...and the ONE is not MALE... Speak and write the TRUTH!!)
So our only temple, our only place of worship, our only place where we can meet God as a lover is the heart. (God as a "lover"... give me a "break"!! lol lol ... Wrong ... the ONE is everywhere ... not just in the "heart" ... If you ever meet "the ONE" tell IT (not HIM) Don said "hi"!! ) So Sahaj Marg only talks of the heart, transmission from the heart, love from the heart (not from the head). (that is the "Spider's web that keeps the "serfs" in a "trap" ... They can't "think" their way out of the TRAP (Spider's web) ... But they will eventually ... You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time.) Because we all think that we love — without loving. We think we love. But when the truth comes, love is never spoken about. There is no grandiose flourish; there are no embellishments; it’s only a look from the eye, you see. As Babuji said, a flower does not broadcast itself and say, “Look here, I am beautiful, I am perfumed.” It is. (Think of that as you egotistically sit on your "throne" at your next "birthday bash" and have the "peasants" adore you, make offerings to you, sing songs for you, etc... as a "Saviour") In a similar way, God is. Other than Him (IT is not only a "HIM) there is nothing. (you don't know that... there is "something" as ONE IS) And when we are there, we can say: we are — He (ONE is not only a "He") and I. This is what the krishna-leelas are all supposed to be about: the Divine dance of existence, of eternal existence, perpetually happy, perpetually moving, perpetually dissolving, perpetually reuniting. With a purpose? Of course. We don’t understand what it is, but He knows. (ONE is not only a "He")
As Babuji says again and again in many of his messages, they know. (The Mystical "institute of "THEY"..the "aliens" from other "dimensions"?? ) What they know, they tell us. What they want us to do, they instruct us. What we need by way of assistance, they give us. Above all, they love us. In the latest message which I read out yesterday, he says that they are working for the elevation of humankind — all of us, everywhere, no prejudice about colour, caste, race, religion, anything. For them we are human beings. But for us, even the unity that God is, we have split up into your god and my god and no god. My god is not your god, your god is not my god. We fight, we kill each other, we have wars. Today’s wars are all about religion. The biggest problem facing humanity today is RELIGION. Capital R, capital E, write it all in capitals. And if you have the ability to do so, like a computer, erase. I have to speak forcefully about this because on one side we see a handful of new abhyasis every year, and we see more and more converts to the other side — the dark side (Sahaj Marg, the destroyer of families) if I may say so of our approach to God — religion. (the problems facing us in our families is "Sahaj Marg", not RELIGION ... Sahaj Marg divides, Sahaj Marg is allegedly violent, Sahaj Marg allegedly attacks the family of the founder, and seizes their Ashram. Sahaj Marg is a RELIGION)
Please take this to heart. Think over it. (What? You want the people to "THINK"?? With what? the heart, the lowly pump... not the "brain" the nerve center???) Silly!!! Do you not use your head to THINK??) You must learn to think even about your [understanding of] God, about your faith, about your belief. Am I believing in the right thing? (NO YOU ARE NOT) Can this be God because everybody says this is God? God is everywhere. Not because He is everywhere, because everywhere is His. That is where He is. Like you cannot say of the breeze that it is here and not there. And I repeat, if He (The ONE is not only a MALE, It is not a HE) s everywhere, He (IT) is in my heart. For one in whose heart there is no God, he will die godless, (not so) a most tragic situation, because under such a condition if a man leaves this life, Babuji said even God cannot say what his future is going to be. (Fear and temptation of RELIGION)
I pray that all of you will awaken, (and see) you see, to this truth that I have been living a life of illusion, (face the TRUTH for a while) of belief in things of which I know nothing, of loyalties to things which don’t deserve my loyalty, of love for things for which there is no possible love. Because today we love ice cream, we love pizza, we love this, we love that. We love everything but God. (You don't even love the family of your FOUNDER!! Love is not part of Sahaj Marg. Sahaj Marg and its preceptors "destroy" love. (that is a quote from Chari at a "preceptor's seminar" in 2001)
So, sisters and brothers, (now you put "sisters" first because they are wanting "equality"... Women can't be Masters according to Chari, but they can be "slaves, serfs and "judas goats".) I would like to close this beautiful bhandara by requesting you all to wake up and remember the most important statement I have heard from my Master. Every statement is important, but that which shook me — because I, too, followed a religious way of life till my marriage (not worshiping idols and stones and all that, but believing in many things that were told to me). And this shook me, what Babuji said. He said, “Religion has no God, God has no religion.” (WRONG....Religion has a GOD... how silly, and it is not "Babuji"....and Religions even have many "gods", and also many "different "gods", but the ONE (a number) has no RELIGION ... that is the TRUTH)
(You're most welcome!! Now go and "lie" no more!! And tear down this wall, this TRAP, this "Spider's web", Mr. Chari, and let my people go ... let them be FREE... not slaves to their "desires" anymore, as you have them negatively affirm every day in your PRAYER!!)
Wednesday, August 26, 2009
My Partner is an Abhyasi! A testimonial!
Taken and Translated from a comment left on Elodie's Blog in France: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg
Article: Ma compagne Medite
My Partner is an Abhyasi (Meditates with SRCM (California-1997)
Here is a poignant new testimony posted yesterday, Tuesday, August 25, 2009, on the article: "Des horraires de Celibataire" (A timetable for Bachelors):
Anonymous said ...
Hello,
I can only salute your efforts. My relationship of 10 years is imploding because of Sahaj Marg.
At first, my companion was not meditating but her parents are preceptors. Five (5) years ago and she decided to start and I did not want in any way to take that freedom away. At the time we agreed that it would not interfere with our partnership. This movement being greedy, the conditions have changed, with the SRCM (California-1997) children's project at the center of the debate. While I respect everyone's spiritual quest, I want my children to be protected from strong influences, but my girlfriend wants to take them to rallies. Out of my reach.
Why bring the children to these group "rallies" then, if this is not a pre-conditioning? Not to talk about the OMEGA School where, according to them, all the children have chosen to go without any parental pressure.
I feel the wind changing and now there are 3 in our home with Chariji. Finally, this condition was put to me in a firm way. Very long depressed, I think I now see clearly.
Sahaj Marg is deeply against couples where one is not active or even sympathetic (with Sahaj Marg). Initially, you are accepted because you have a potential of becoming an abhyasis. Then the day you do not share anything with this movement, things get complicated.
I no longer recognize the words of my companion. But now I must put a stop to this because I can't start a family knowing that one day my status as an outsider will not be tolerated.
But your site gave me some weapons to try to convince her, something which is very difficult. The time change (for meditation), the UN label, the commercial launch of Whisppers vol 2, the presence of a book sold for 800 euros on the website, are real and are impacting people. But they quickly turn to the well being and the deep change they have felt, even though personally I found nothing positive to date. The answer becomes: "yes maybe there are a few "driftings" but that's normal, it is part of being human! "
Best regards,
"Anonymous" because I still have a little hope. Forgive me
Reply by Shashwat
(Taken from Orkut's: Freedom From SRCM (Sahaj Marg) ) See Article called "Sahaj Marg the Family Destroyer"
Dear anonymous,
In sahaj marg and its victims there is no hope, i am sorry to say this, but this is true, once a person is contaminated, its done, now that person will not be able to come out of sahaj marg control 100%.
It is because sahaj marg hypnotizes its victims and effects of sahaj marg is physical in nature, its victim loose their power to think and distinguish between their family members and those who are not.
I understand its very hard to leave your partner and move on in life especially if you have crossed the marriageable age, but unfortunately there is no other way.
There is no point in clinging to your partner who is a brainwashed zombie, and does not have a mind of her/his own, s/he is now a source of pain for you, hence there is no point in allowing that person to cause you any further suffering, just leave her/him and save your children.
move on, there is no point in remaining attached to a person who is immune to your love.
Victims of sahaj marg cannot love, for them, their family, society and any other relation are nothing but distraction. they do not deserve our love, hence must not be given that.
they are fooled into believing that instead of living a normal life, living a complicated life which is full of lies and manipulation is spiritual. even if they leave sahaj marg, they will never be able to come out of its influence, in other word, they have become handicap and retarded, no medicine and no treatment can make them a normal human being...
the only way left is to leave them, exactly the manner they are ready to leave you because you are not in sahaj marg.
When normal humans are not welcomed in sahaj marg, zombies are also not welcomed in our society of humans.
Shashwat
Sam Said:
What a sad message, I hope that things will improve for you. Yes people entering the Sahaj Marg may tend to become fanatics and families where everyone does not meditate are often destroyed. I hope that it will not be the case for you, I wish you courage, you'll need it.
On another subject, the Omega School of separating the boys and girls, but the machismo of Sahaj Marg does not stop there. The master can not be a woman, women are present only at the lowest levels, abhyasis and preceptors, but absent at the decision-making process, and now I just learned that retreat centers will also be segregated, some month will be reserved for men, others for women. I suppose abhyasis will say that special work is taking place there requiring the separation, but we can nevertheless ask questions. The segregation of men and women are already taking place at the satsanghs, women are excluded from high-level decisions, and now this.
Is Sahaj Marg move towards a kind of fundamentalism? Time will tell. One more reason to be vigilant.
Sam
Wed., Aug 26, 2009 06:14:00 PM
Alexis Said:
Elodie Said:
4d-don Said:
Anonymous ...
I attended a Catholic "religious" school, which was also a 'Boarding School" such as OMEGA (Why Omega? Is it the END?)
You've probably heard about the abuses of Catholic priests (and "brothers and sisters") in North America (USA and Canada). It was not just the orphans and the aboriginal children who were "molested", but those who for one reason or another, were "different" (social class, introverted, artistic, loner, rebel, etc. ..).
The "religious" Boarding Schools, with their "Love" (from religion), and "obedience" (from discipline in school), place all the power in the establishment, the structure, and the "Brothers and Sisters" teachers. This imbalance of power attracts like a magnet, the pedophiles from around the world wanting first to be loved and respected by the "parents" of the children so as to have access to them. These priests (and brothers and sisters) who, because of their religious beliefs that "Sex is the tool of our animal (lower) nature (or the devil) do not exteriorize their so-called weaknesses in sex with adults, but with children, it is the" GAME "that allows them to exteriorize their "sexual power". The pyramidal structure of religion does not allow the serfs (the parents) to question the authority.
We know more now, because the victims and the "pedophile" religious teachers of the past, thanks to "technology", now have a place to be listened to, to be heard and believed. And thanks to the media (including the Internet), people now have a little more power.
Good Luck with your family ...
Babuji did not want children or dogs at the meditations. His instructions were that Sahaj Marg was for those 18 years of age or more. Why the drift from Babuji's wishes? Chari? ... who says:
Retaining the Spirit of Youth
A talk given by Shri Parthasarathi Rajagopalachari to the Youth on January 22nd, 2006 in Malaysia
"You know, I am still young at heart. That's why I wander around the world, I wink at girls, no? [Laughter] I believe they like it, too, at least the more mischievous, naughty ones! Do you ? [abhyasis: Yes.] Aha! "
(Which abhyasis says: "Yes"? A Male or a Female?? The Teacher (brother/sister) ?
Chari (seems to) encourages the children to be: Mischievous and naughty
Or WHY THIS SENTENCE?? For SPIRITUALITY?
Don
Wed, August 26, 2009 06:47:00 PM
Article: Ma compagne Medite
My Partner is an Abhyasi (Meditates with SRCM (California-1997)
Here is a poignant new testimony posted yesterday, Tuesday, August 25, 2009, on the article: "Des horraires de Celibataire" (A timetable for Bachelors):
Anonymous said ...
Hello,
I can only salute your efforts. My relationship of 10 years is imploding because of Sahaj Marg.
At first, my companion was not meditating but her parents are preceptors. Five (5) years ago and she decided to start and I did not want in any way to take that freedom away. At the time we agreed that it would not interfere with our partnership. This movement being greedy, the conditions have changed, with the SRCM (California-1997) children's project at the center of the debate. While I respect everyone's spiritual quest, I want my children to be protected from strong influences, but my girlfriend wants to take them to rallies. Out of my reach.
Why bring the children to these group "rallies" then, if this is not a pre-conditioning? Not to talk about the OMEGA School where, according to them, all the children have chosen to go without any parental pressure.
I feel the wind changing and now there are 3 in our home with Chariji. Finally, this condition was put to me in a firm way. Very long depressed, I think I now see clearly.
Sahaj Marg is deeply against couples where one is not active or even sympathetic (with Sahaj Marg). Initially, you are accepted because you have a potential of becoming an abhyasis. Then the day you do not share anything with this movement, things get complicated.
I no longer recognize the words of my companion. But now I must put a stop to this because I can't start a family knowing that one day my status as an outsider will not be tolerated.
But your site gave me some weapons to try to convince her, something which is very difficult. The time change (for meditation), the UN label, the commercial launch of Whisppers vol 2, the presence of a book sold for 800 euros on the website, are real and are impacting people. But they quickly turn to the well being and the deep change they have felt, even though personally I found nothing positive to date. The answer becomes: "yes maybe there are a few "driftings" but that's normal, it is part of being human! "
Best regards,
"Anonymous" because I still have a little hope. Forgive me
Reply by Shashwat
(Taken from Orkut's: Freedom From SRCM (Sahaj Marg) ) See Article called "Sahaj Marg the Family Destroyer"
Dear anonymous,
In sahaj marg and its victims there is no hope, i am sorry to say this, but this is true, once a person is contaminated, its done, now that person will not be able to come out of sahaj marg control 100%.
It is because sahaj marg hypnotizes its victims and effects of sahaj marg is physical in nature, its victim loose their power to think and distinguish between their family members and those who are not.
I understand its very hard to leave your partner and move on in life especially if you have crossed the marriageable age, but unfortunately there is no other way.
There is no point in clinging to your partner who is a brainwashed zombie, and does not have a mind of her/his own, s/he is now a source of pain for you, hence there is no point in allowing that person to cause you any further suffering, just leave her/him and save your children.
move on, there is no point in remaining attached to a person who is immune to your love.
Victims of sahaj marg cannot love, for them, their family, society and any other relation are nothing but distraction. they do not deserve our love, hence must not be given that.
they are fooled into believing that instead of living a normal life, living a complicated life which is full of lies and manipulation is spiritual. even if they leave sahaj marg, they will never be able to come out of its influence, in other word, they have become handicap and retarded, no medicine and no treatment can make them a normal human being...
the only way left is to leave them, exactly the manner they are ready to leave you because you are not in sahaj marg.
When normal humans are not welcomed in sahaj marg, zombies are also not welcomed in our society of humans.
Shashwat
Sam Said:
What a sad message, I hope that things will improve for you. Yes people entering the Sahaj Marg may tend to become fanatics and families where everyone does not meditate are often destroyed. I hope that it will not be the case for you, I wish you courage, you'll need it.
On another subject, the Omega School of separating the boys and girls, but the machismo of Sahaj Marg does not stop there. The master can not be a woman, women are present only at the lowest levels, abhyasis and preceptors, but absent at the decision-making process, and now I just learned that retreat centers will also be segregated, some month will be reserved for men, others for women. I suppose abhyasis will say that special work is taking place there requiring the separation, but we can nevertheless ask questions. The segregation of men and women are already taking place at the satsanghs, women are excluded from high-level decisions, and now this.
Is Sahaj Marg move towards a kind of fundamentalism? Time will tell. One more reason to be vigilant.
Sam
Wed., Aug 26, 2009 06:14:00 PM
Alexis Said:
@ Anonymous
I'll be brutal, but since the time we have been receiving testimonies like yours, one has to find a reason ...
You wanted to form a couple with your girlfriend, she became interested in Sahaj Marg, you are more than two. You are henceforth a threesome in which Chari is the lover and you are the cuckold. Her sole purpose is summed up in the alternative to oust you or to convert you.
Your turn to choose, but if your partner is addicted, it no purpose anymore to fight. You will use use up your strength in a losing battle.
Save your strength for something else: this one is lost ...
"Religion divides, spirituality unites" they say! Yep, but the failure rate of inter-religious marriages is less than that between abhyasis and non-abhyasis which flirts around 100% ...
Alexis
Thurs, August 27, 2009 11:25:00 AM
Martin Said:
I'll be brutal, but since the time we have been receiving testimonies like yours, one has to find a reason ...
You wanted to form a couple with your girlfriend, she became interested in Sahaj Marg, you are more than two. You are henceforth a threesome in which Chari is the lover and you are the cuckold. Her sole purpose is summed up in the alternative to oust you or to convert you.
Your turn to choose, but if your partner is addicted, it no purpose anymore to fight. You will use use up your strength in a losing battle.
Save your strength for something else: this one is lost ...
"Religion divides, spirituality unites" they say! Yep, but the failure rate of inter-religious marriages is less than that between abhyasis and non-abhyasis which flirts around 100% ...
Alexis
Thurs, August 27, 2009 11:25:00 AM
Martin Said:
Welcome to the club!
It is now 10 years that I have been leading the same fight with my girlfriend for the results that are very disappointing. But whatever the outcome, rest assured that this fight is just.
When one has the conviction that a loved one is in danger one can not simply remain passive and simply look at it and see the damage.
The time factor is decisive; the practice (Sahaj Marg) over time encloses the abhyasi in a cage from which it is then difficult to free them. The "reasonable" arguments have little effect on conditioned and manipulated minds who have lost their free will and critical thinking.
Once the "dope" is ingested, the addictive process generates all these effects forever, and even more dope to move towards a zombie state (living dead) as asked by the guru.
This pathetic distancing from the reality makes communication impossible since it condemns the infected practitioner to choose between himself or his partner.
What would you do for him/her?
Escape yourself if you can ... if not, expect to suffer the pangs of degradation of your relationship.
If you really love, then struggle on with patience and determination, if all fails, you'll always be conscious of having done what you could.
Good luck!
Martin
Thurs, August 27, 2009 12:52:00 PM
It is now 10 years that I have been leading the same fight with my girlfriend for the results that are very disappointing. But whatever the outcome, rest assured that this fight is just.
When one has the conviction that a loved one is in danger one can not simply remain passive and simply look at it and see the damage.
The time factor is decisive; the practice (Sahaj Marg) over time encloses the abhyasi in a cage from which it is then difficult to free them. The "reasonable" arguments have little effect on conditioned and manipulated minds who have lost their free will and critical thinking.
Once the "dope" is ingested, the addictive process generates all these effects forever, and even more dope to move towards a zombie state (living dead) as asked by the guru.
This pathetic distancing from the reality makes communication impossible since it condemns the infected practitioner to choose between himself or his partner.
What would you do for him/her?
Escape yourself if you can ... if not, expect to suffer the pangs of degradation of your relationship.
If you really love, then struggle on with patience and determination, if all fails, you'll always be conscious of having done what you could.
Good luck!
Martin
Thurs, August 27, 2009 12:52:00 PM
Elodie Said:
Hello anonymous
Your testimony relaunches the discussions and the answers are already very different. Is there only one right answer? Certainly not, it is up to you to make your mind up and decide on a course of action. Where we are much in agreement, is in wishing you courage, and to insist on the fact that it will take a lot of it.
As Alexis pointed out the contradictions between the actions and the writings of the SRCMtm about spirituality that unites, I wanted to add that it (SRCM California-1997) joined the UN in India around the theme of "reconciliation" for the International Youth Day in mid-August.
Unity, Reconciliation, SRCM (California-1997) is not afraid of big words, but it really does just the opposite.
Affectionately,
Elodie
Thurs, August 27, 03:26:00 PM
Your testimony relaunches the discussions and the answers are already very different. Is there only one right answer? Certainly not, it is up to you to make your mind up and decide on a course of action. Where we are much in agreement, is in wishing you courage, and to insist on the fact that it will take a lot of it.
As Alexis pointed out the contradictions between the actions and the writings of the SRCMtm about spirituality that unites, I wanted to add that it (SRCM California-1997) joined the UN in India around the theme of "reconciliation" for the International Youth Day in mid-August.
Unity, Reconciliation, SRCM (California-1997) is not afraid of big words, but it really does just the opposite.
Affectionately,
Elodie
Thurs, August 27, 03:26:00 PM
4d-don Said:
Anonymous ...
I attended a Catholic "religious" school, which was also a 'Boarding School" such as OMEGA (Why Omega? Is it the END?)
You've probably heard about the abuses of Catholic priests (and "brothers and sisters") in North America (USA and Canada). It was not just the orphans and the aboriginal children who were "molested", but those who for one reason or another, were "different" (social class, introverted, artistic, loner, rebel, etc. ..).
The "religious" Boarding Schools, with their "Love" (from religion), and "obedience" (from discipline in school), place all the power in the establishment, the structure, and the "Brothers and Sisters" teachers. This imbalance of power attracts like a magnet, the pedophiles from around the world wanting first to be loved and respected by the "parents" of the children so as to have access to them. These priests (and brothers and sisters) who, because of their religious beliefs that "Sex is the tool of our animal (lower) nature (or the devil) do not exteriorize their so-called weaknesses in sex with adults, but with children, it is the" GAME "that allows them to exteriorize their "sexual power". The pyramidal structure of religion does not allow the serfs (the parents) to question the authority.
We know more now, because the victims and the "pedophile" religious teachers of the past, thanks to "technology", now have a place to be listened to, to be heard and believed. And thanks to the media (including the Internet), people now have a little more power.
Good Luck with your family ...
Babuji did not want children or dogs at the meditations. His instructions were that Sahaj Marg was for those 18 years of age or more. Why the drift from Babuji's wishes? Chari? ... who says:
Retaining the Spirit of Youth
A talk given by Shri Parthasarathi Rajagopalachari to the Youth on January 22nd, 2006 in Malaysia
"You know, I am still young at heart. That's why I wander around the world, I wink at girls, no? [Laughter] I believe they like it, too, at least the more mischievous, naughty ones! Do you ? [abhyasis: Yes.] Aha! "
(Which abhyasis says: "Yes"? A Male or a Female?? The Teacher (brother/sister) ?
Chari (seems to) encourages the children to be: Mischievous and naughty
Or WHY THIS SENTENCE?? For SPIRITUALITY?
Don
Wed, August 26, 2009 06:47:00 PM
Monday, August 24, 2009
Testimonials of Kasturi Preceptors (the Mincet family)
Taken from Alexis's Blog: Le Projet Sahaj Marg (Definition)
Testimonials Mincet Family
Jean-François Mincet said,
March 16, 2009 on Elodie's blog: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg
I knew Babuji well in India and France. I became a preceptor in 1976 by Babuji (I was 22 years). I also know Chari, having met him in France and also in India while I was following Babuji in his travels. With every visit of Babuji, he showed me his divinity repeatedly. This is not imagination but profound spiritual experiences. I saw his divine splendor hidden behind his disconcerting ease. I saw the beauty and purity which a sincere soul in search should aspire. His system is perfect and can help everyone in their search for the Absolute, the Ultimate. All driftings I experienced after his physical disappearance had nothing to do with what our Babuji taught us. There was not supposed to be money and contributions in his system. The Ultimate does not sell Its grace for money, and Babuji neither. Kasturi represents well the purity of Babuji and his system. Babuji had sent Kasturi to France in 1977 to work on abhaysis. He had given her the title of Saint in his lifetime. In his correspondence with her, Babuji wrote her that he had taken her past the "rings splendor" in 1975 and he had immersed her in the "Ultimate (Bhumi)", the ultimate divine condition (Anant Yatra - vol.5) - Anant Yatra means "Travel in the Infinite", it is the collection of his (Babuji) correspondence with Kasturi between 1948 and 1975, about 900 letters, Babuji had instructed Kasturi to keep these treasured letters to be published when the time comes for the benefit of mankind. The first 2 volumes have been translated by Denise, and she continues to translate; the translations are all discussed with Sister Kasturi before publication in French).
Babu Ji is a divine personality, which is quite different from a Master. Those who knew him, saw his extreme humility and simplicity, and his love. I found some similar qualities in Kasturi. She is now able to confer divine conditions and advance all sincere abhyasis. We go to see her regularly in Lucknow (India).
I must add that I left all ties with the mission of Chari as of July 1986. This mission, no longer matched what Babuji had brought. Babuji has never asked for obedience to the Mission. Instead, he spoke of love, when love is there, the confidence is there. Blind obedience destroys the sense of discernment which is essential in spirituality, discernment must accompany us at every moment along the path. Babuji has never requested a blind faith, he always said to experiment and see the changes in one's self.
It is understandable that many people are misunderstanding the nature of Sahaj Marg and unfortunately they end up turning away completely. True Sahaj Marg is a divine path of light that should get everyone to Peace and Beyond, despite all the difficulties of earthly life. But who gives peace? Search your heart and pray Babuji to bring you to Him. But let us take "Babuji" in his broad and unlimited sense, that is, in his divine state of Reality.
Denise and I left France, but there are in France abhyasis and preceptors trained by Kasturi who practice the system in simplicity, without any organization, but linked to Babuji and connected to Kasturi.
I wish with all my heart for you to receive the blessings of Babuji and his grace.
Jean-François Mincet, a servant.
If you have questions, contact us at dmincet@gmail.com
PS - I do not proselytize, I hate that. I just try to testify to what my teacher gave me and nobody in the world could give me. but today, though disembodied, he can give as much by transmission to those who have not physically met him. Denise can attest.
4d-Don's Comments: I question very seriously whether this statement (above) can be called "TRUE":
"True Sahaj Marg is a divine path of light that should get everyone to Peace and Beyond, despite all the difficulties of earthly life. But who gives peace? Search your heart and pray Babuji to bring you to Him. But let us take "Babuji" in his broad and unlimited sense, that is, in his divine state of Reality."
Babuji did not bring "peace" with Sahaj Marg and he did state (while living) that Sahaj Marg was not for those seeking "peace" but a state of "yearning". Sahaj Marg and Babuji did not create "Peace" even among the followers of "Sahaj Marg", now trade-marked and owned by Chari's inner group.
By speaking with the average abhyasi, one finds it difficult to see the "beyond" or the metaphoric "light" in their minds (intellect, logic, words, speech, etc... ), hearts or body. If real light was what "spirituality" meant, then going into the "sun" would make one more "enlightened" spiritually. (I think that) the meaning of "light" for the intellectual means an enlightened line of thought, wisdom, knowledge, not a REAL light, such as the sun would give "freely to all", even to the boetians! ... The light of Spirituality is the same. It is a "metaphor". There is no more "light" in Sahaj Marg than in Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, Sufism, Taoism, etc... According to my preceptor (now deceased), Babuji meant light to mean: "not heavy"... Hmmm!!
Babuji is not (and was not) the SUN, (shining on ALL) but a man, made of flesh and blood, made from a handful of dust (carbon and a few other elements) and mostly water. To get a state similar to Babuji, one has to do what Babuji said to do (meditate, etc...) unlike the ONE, the Sun or the other forces of Nature which GIVE to ALL freely. Babuji is not the CREATOR, the ONE. Sahaj Marg is beginning to sound like "Christianity", where Jesus, their Christ (Saviour), was made the "son of God", by Constantine, a "Roman" emperor. Babuji was a MAN!! Now Babuji is a dead man. ONE is still LIVING!
To create through fantasy, another "idol" for mankind is not a "GIFT", but it is to create yet another "dependency" on a MAN, such as all religions have done for millenia, with the result not being PEACE, but discord, divisions, violence and war.
I would suggest that we should also take OURSELVES in our "broad and unlimited" sense ... That is in our true "STATE of REALITY", which some claim Sahaj Marg brings, but they only see Babuji in this "broad and unlimited" sense, and not their own brothers and sisters (family) and friends, and one another, who are also part of ONE ... in REALITY!! ... They can overlook the flaws in their "idol" but not in one another.
LOVE ONE ANOTHER!! (All "OTHERS")
Denise Mincet said,
December 21, 2008, on the blog of Kasturi (by membership only)
I just heard today about this blog on Behenji Kasturi and I have perused it with great delight! My husband (Jean-Francois) and I have been in Babuji's Mission for a very long time, first and foremost as abhyasis and also at His service as Preceptors. We go regularly to Lucknow to Sister Kasturi and tell everyone around us about Her, Babuji and his mission. It is a great relief to see that Behenji has authorized such a blog, thus giving the possibility to connect more seekers to Babuji through Her.
I would like to take the opportunity to inform French speaking abhyasis that I have translated to French the following books of Sister Kasturi: Anant Yatra Vol.I, Vol.II and Anant Yatra "Who was He?" I am currently working on the translation of Anant Yatra Vol. III. These books can be ordered directly from us by sending an email to: dmincet@gmail.com
Sister has helped with the translations by giving detailed answers to all the questions Which are raised as we progress in our work. Her clarifications have been embedded in the translations as footnotes. It has been such a blessing to receive these divine teachings directly from Her; we wish and pray that abhyasis all over the world may benefit from these sacred writings.
We have recently moved from France to Victoria, British Columbia, Canada.
May Babuji keep our revered Sister in good health among us for a long time, making his light shine all over and showing us the path up to Him, the Ultimate.
Testimonials Mincet Family
Jean-François Mincet said,
March 16, 2009 on Elodie's blog: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg
I knew Babuji well in India and France. I became a preceptor in 1976 by Babuji (I was 22 years). I also know Chari, having met him in France and also in India while I was following Babuji in his travels. With every visit of Babuji, he showed me his divinity repeatedly. This is not imagination but profound spiritual experiences. I saw his divine splendor hidden behind his disconcerting ease. I saw the beauty and purity which a sincere soul in search should aspire. His system is perfect and can help everyone in their search for the Absolute, the Ultimate. All driftings I experienced after his physical disappearance had nothing to do with what our Babuji taught us. There was not supposed to be money and contributions in his system. The Ultimate does not sell Its grace for money, and Babuji neither. Kasturi represents well the purity of Babuji and his system. Babuji had sent Kasturi to France in 1977 to work on abhaysis. He had given her the title of Saint in his lifetime. In his correspondence with her, Babuji wrote her that he had taken her past the "rings splendor" in 1975 and he had immersed her in the "Ultimate (Bhumi)", the ultimate divine condition (Anant Yatra - vol.5) - Anant Yatra means "Travel in the Infinite", it is the collection of his (Babuji) correspondence with Kasturi between 1948 and 1975, about 900 letters, Babuji had instructed Kasturi to keep these treasured letters to be published when the time comes for the benefit of mankind. The first 2 volumes have been translated by Denise, and she continues to translate; the translations are all discussed with Sister Kasturi before publication in French).
Babu Ji is a divine personality, which is quite different from a Master. Those who knew him, saw his extreme humility and simplicity, and his love. I found some similar qualities in Kasturi. She is now able to confer divine conditions and advance all sincere abhyasis. We go to see her regularly in Lucknow (India).
I must add that I left all ties with the mission of Chari as of July 1986. This mission, no longer matched what Babuji had brought. Babuji has never asked for obedience to the Mission. Instead, he spoke of love, when love is there, the confidence is there. Blind obedience destroys the sense of discernment which is essential in spirituality, discernment must accompany us at every moment along the path. Babuji has never requested a blind faith, he always said to experiment and see the changes in one's self.
It is understandable that many people are misunderstanding the nature of Sahaj Marg and unfortunately they end up turning away completely. True Sahaj Marg is a divine path of light that should get everyone to Peace and Beyond, despite all the difficulties of earthly life. But who gives peace? Search your heart and pray Babuji to bring you to Him. But let us take "Babuji" in his broad and unlimited sense, that is, in his divine state of Reality.
Denise and I left France, but there are in France abhyasis and preceptors trained by Kasturi who practice the system in simplicity, without any organization, but linked to Babuji and connected to Kasturi.
I wish with all my heart for you to receive the blessings of Babuji and his grace.
Jean-François Mincet, a servant.
If you have questions, contact us at dmincet@gmail.com
PS - I do not proselytize, I hate that. I just try to testify to what my teacher gave me and nobody in the world could give me. but today, though disembodied, he can give as much by transmission to those who have not physically met him. Denise can attest.
4d-Don's Comments: I question very seriously whether this statement (above) can be called "TRUE":
"True Sahaj Marg is a divine path of light that should get everyone to Peace and Beyond, despite all the difficulties of earthly life. But who gives peace? Search your heart and pray Babuji to bring you to Him. But let us take "Babuji" in his broad and unlimited sense, that is, in his divine state of Reality."
Babuji did not bring "peace" with Sahaj Marg and he did state (while living) that Sahaj Marg was not for those seeking "peace" but a state of "yearning". Sahaj Marg and Babuji did not create "Peace" even among the followers of "Sahaj Marg", now trade-marked and owned by Chari's inner group.
By speaking with the average abhyasi, one finds it difficult to see the "beyond" or the metaphoric "light" in their minds (intellect, logic, words, speech, etc... ), hearts or body. If real light was what "spirituality" meant, then going into the "sun" would make one more "enlightened" spiritually. (I think that) the meaning of "light" for the intellectual means an enlightened line of thought, wisdom, knowledge, not a REAL light, such as the sun would give "freely to all", even to the boetians! ... The light of Spirituality is the same. It is a "metaphor". There is no more "light" in Sahaj Marg than in Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, Sufism, Taoism, etc... According to my preceptor (now deceased), Babuji meant light to mean: "not heavy"... Hmmm!!
Babuji is not (and was not) the SUN, (shining on ALL) but a man, made of flesh and blood, made from a handful of dust (carbon and a few other elements) and mostly water. To get a state similar to Babuji, one has to do what Babuji said to do (meditate, etc...) unlike the ONE, the Sun or the other forces of Nature which GIVE to ALL freely. Babuji is not the CREATOR, the ONE. Sahaj Marg is beginning to sound like "Christianity", where Jesus, their Christ (Saviour), was made the "son of God", by Constantine, a "Roman" emperor. Babuji was a MAN!! Now Babuji is a dead man. ONE is still LIVING!
To create through fantasy, another "idol" for mankind is not a "GIFT", but it is to create yet another "dependency" on a MAN, such as all religions have done for millenia, with the result not being PEACE, but discord, divisions, violence and war.
I would suggest that we should also take OURSELVES in our "broad and unlimited" sense ... That is in our true "STATE of REALITY", which some claim Sahaj Marg brings, but they only see Babuji in this "broad and unlimited" sense, and not their own brothers and sisters (family) and friends, and one another, who are also part of ONE ... in REALITY!! ... They can overlook the flaws in their "idol" but not in one another.
LOVE ONE ANOTHER!! (All "OTHERS")
Denise Mincet said,
December 21, 2008, on the blog of Kasturi (by membership only)
I just heard today about this blog on Behenji Kasturi and I have perused it with great delight! My husband (Jean-Francois) and I have been in Babuji's Mission for a very long time, first and foremost as abhyasis and also at His service as Preceptors. We go regularly to Lucknow to Sister Kasturi and tell everyone around us about Her, Babuji and his mission. It is a great relief to see that Behenji has authorized such a blog, thus giving the possibility to connect more seekers to Babuji through Her.
I would like to take the opportunity to inform French speaking abhyasis that I have translated to French the following books of Sister Kasturi: Anant Yatra Vol.I, Vol.II and Anant Yatra "Who was He?" I am currently working on the translation of Anant Yatra Vol. III. These books can be ordered directly from us by sending an email to: dmincet@gmail.com
Sister has helped with the translations by giving detailed answers to all the questions Which are raised as we progress in our work. Her clarifications have been embedded in the translations as footnotes. It has been such a blessing to receive these divine teachings directly from Her; we wish and pray that abhyasis all over the world may benefit from these sacred writings.
We have recently moved from France to Victoria, British Columbia, Canada.
May Babuji keep our revered Sister in good health among us for a long time, making his light shine all over and showing us the path up to Him, the Ultimate.
Sunday, August 23, 2009
Quakers in UK Embrace Same-sex Marriage
Taken from an Article on "Pitfalls of Spirituality", the blog of Frank Waaldijk, ex-preceptor of SRCM (California-1997) and ex Zonal-In-Charge for the Netherlands: Quakers in the UK Embrace Same-sex Marriage
Frank Says:
I'm really happy that one spiritual movement has come out like this. And in fact they are ahead of the UK legislation, which still discriminates (against) same sex couples. They are also far ahead of my former Sahaj Marg guru P. Rajagopalachari who said in a recent speech that homosexuality is unnatural and against the wish of God. Hopefully one day, spiritual leaders like him will be seen for what they are doing: adding to the division of humanity, instead of uniting humanity.
For the complete article, see Franks' blog: Pitfalls of Spirituality
4d-don's Comments:
See also: "Chari-ty creates a Gay Bashing Egregore" on this blog
or: Brotherhood, Sahaj Marg Style
This is what "Chari-table" Chari said:
Balance-The Crux of Life
A talk given by Shri Parthasarathi Rajagopalachari (aka: Chari)
on 20th January, 2006 in Malaysia
So what wonders can it do if this is on a global scale? That is why Sahaj Marg is performing marriages—no questions asked, except whether you are old enough to get married, and whether you are a man and a woman. Unlike the churches in the world, we don’t perform same-sex marriages. That is unnatural. God did not intend it to be thus. Please excuse me, it is a personal comment, it is not Sahaj Marg. But there are things, as Babuji Maharaj said, “If God did not want two sexes, he could have as well created one and seen that the world propagated by itself.” There are unicellular organisms called amoeba which just split when they want. No problems of sex, no problems of love and hate, no problems of, shall we say, illegitimate babies, no need for Viagra. You know, when it is big enough it just splits and there are two. “Behold, there was one and now there are two,” says the Lord. So God could have done anything he wanted, you see. Why two sexes? Not so that one sex should marry among themselves, isn’t it? So, what the church may allow, I don’t have to condone or accept. To me, it is a very blatant misuse of so-called privileges of the human being, fundamental rights, et cetera. Of course, if you claim it is your fundamental right to go the dogs, so be it! Even God cannot stop it. That is not His weakness; that is His strength that he gives us the liberty to do what we will.
It like a boxing father, heavyweight champion, allowing his pugnacious teenagers to pummel away at him. He just laughs, “Yeah, go on, son. Come on, one more.” And the pugnacious son thinks he is going to knock his father out and suddenly, wham, you know. The son is at the corner of the room and the mother is wailing away: “How can you do it to my son?”
Frank Says:
I'm really happy that one spiritual movement has come out like this. And in fact they are ahead of the UK legislation, which still discriminates (against) same sex couples. They are also far ahead of my former Sahaj Marg guru P. Rajagopalachari who said in a recent speech that homosexuality is unnatural and against the wish of God. Hopefully one day, spiritual leaders like him will be seen for what they are doing: adding to the division of humanity, instead of uniting humanity.
For the complete article, see Franks' blog: Pitfalls of Spirituality
4d-don's Comments:
See also: "Chari-ty creates a Gay Bashing Egregore" on this blog
or: Brotherhood, Sahaj Marg Style
This is what "Chari-table" Chari said:
Balance-The Crux of Life
A talk given by Shri Parthasarathi Rajagopalachari (aka: Chari)
on 20th January, 2006 in Malaysia
So what wonders can it do if this is on a global scale? That is why Sahaj Marg is performing marriages—no questions asked, except whether you are old enough to get married, and whether you are a man and a woman. Unlike the churches in the world, we don’t perform same-sex marriages. That is unnatural. God did not intend it to be thus. Please excuse me, it is a personal comment, it is not Sahaj Marg. But there are things, as Babuji Maharaj said, “If God did not want two sexes, he could have as well created one and seen that the world propagated by itself.” There are unicellular organisms called amoeba which just split when they want. No problems of sex, no problems of love and hate, no problems of, shall we say, illegitimate babies, no need for Viagra. You know, when it is big enough it just splits and there are two. “Behold, there was one and now there are two,” says the Lord. So God could have done anything he wanted, you see. Why two sexes? Not so that one sex should marry among themselves, isn’t it? So, what the church may allow, I don’t have to condone or accept. To me, it is a very blatant misuse of so-called privileges of the human being, fundamental rights, et cetera. Of course, if you claim it is your fundamental right to go the dogs, so be it! Even God cannot stop it. That is not His weakness; that is His strength that he gives us the liberty to do what we will.
It like a boxing father, heavyweight champion, allowing his pugnacious teenagers to pummel away at him. He just laughs, “Yeah, go on, son. Come on, one more.” And the pugnacious son thinks he is going to knock his father out and suddenly, wham, you know. The son is at the corner of the room and the mother is wailing away: “How can you do it to my son?”
Friday, August 21, 2009
The Multinational Sahaj Marg
Taken and Translated from a comment by Alexis on Elodie's Blog: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg
Can also be seen (in French) on Alexis' blog: Le Projet Sahaj Marg
Or in English on: The Sahaj Marg Project
The Multinational Sahaj Marg
(Last updated on 20 August 2009)
A living master, 200 to 300 000 followers, real estate and land in chaos, several brands and national and international organizations, a multitude of multi-media publications and a large presence on the web.
That is the culmination of almost 30 years Charijism! Globalization has taken hold of Sahaj Marg, or Chari has globalized the Sahaj Marg ... A small empire, a multinational company is born.
Three Masters, one living and barely contested, and his designated successor ... Approximately 50 000 regular adepts, 150 000 subscribers and 500 000 sympathizers in over a hundred countries ... Dozens of ashrams with their cottages for the Master almost everywhere, Centers for retreat and/or training, a research institute, a school ... Some trademarks, including the infamous ® Sahaj Marg, the most diverse domain names on the web ... Books sold € 250 each, DVD boxes at 1, 000 € per unit ... Centers of Light which provide free medical care or distribution of food in India, an approximate relay of the UN themes ...
There was a time when the Sahaj Marg had a single organization to represent and manage this little empire, the Shri Ram Chandra Mission created by Babuji in 1945. That did not last long ...
In 1969, Dr. KC Varadachari created the Sahaj Marg Research Institute. It will then be directed by his son, KC Narayana, until 1991. Chari then turns it into SMRTI (adding "Training") and integrates it within the SMSF , the Sahaj Marg Spirituality Foundation.
With the years 1970-80 comes the internationalization of Sahaj Marg, the national associations flower around the world, the Indian SRCM remains the parent association, even amid the legal conflicts with the children of Babuji.
1994-2004: The time of the FOUNDATIONS. First in Switzerland with the Sahaj Marg Spirituality Foundation, and the Sahaj Marg Spirituality Foundation in the USA, India and Dubai. SRCM associations are becoming empty shells, the money, the land and real estate migrate to the SMSF. The LMOIS School in 2005 and the CREST Centers and retreats are created with these funds. The national SRCM's do not manage more than the regular daily operation.
And it takes not less than 2 structures to control the Lalaji Memorial Omega International School. The first for its management, the Baal Vatika Educational Society and the second for its financing, the Baal Vatika Educational Trust become the latest Lalaji Memorial Educational Society & Trust .
In 2009, the publications are no longer managed by the SRCM or the foundations, but by a new structure, the Spiritual Hierarchy Publication Trust (SHPT).
New structures involving individuals and real estate companies are being seriously considered ...
A member contributing today has access to only the accounts of the local SRCM. Everything else is completely lost from scrutiny. Neither the operation of the parent association in India, nor the publications, the donations or the purchases of property or real estate are not disclosed.
Chari said about the LMOIS: "(...) there is no black money transaction-no trustees following the money. I am here to see to that", in other word, it rests on Chari alone, and on the trust one wants to grant him... and everything is forthcoming ...
Whether one makes a gift, or buys a luxurious and expensive publications or participates in the financing of an ashram, a member of the SRCM will not obtain any additional information.
Chari always reserves the right to allocate money from a donation to whatever he pleases, without even informing the donor ...
What transparency!
SRCM, SMSF, SMRTI, SHPT, LMOIS, LMES and LMET ...
Associations by the dozens, foundations 4, a research institute, a publishing and distribution "trust", a school with 2 parent societies ... this is just the tip of the iceberg! That is the culmination of almost 30 years of Charijism!
The SRCM is multinational "Spirituality"? Maybe! But most certainly a multinational real estate and financial entity, and maybe "humanitarian" soon ... the opacity is now total.
Can also be seen (in French) on Alexis' blog: Le Projet Sahaj Marg
Or in English on: The Sahaj Marg Project
The Multinational Sahaj Marg
(Last updated on 20 August 2009)
A living master, 200 to 300 000 followers, real estate and land in chaos, several brands and national and international organizations, a multitude of multi-media publications and a large presence on the web.
That is the culmination of almost 30 years Charijism! Globalization has taken hold of Sahaj Marg, or Chari has globalized the Sahaj Marg ... A small empire, a multinational company is born.
Three Masters, one living and barely contested, and his designated successor ... Approximately 50 000 regular adepts, 150 000 subscribers and 500 000 sympathizers in over a hundred countries ... Dozens of ashrams with their cottages for the Master almost everywhere, Centers for retreat and/or training, a research institute, a school ... Some trademarks, including the infamous ® Sahaj Marg, the most diverse domain names on the web ... Books sold € 250 each, DVD boxes at 1, 000 € per unit ... Centers of Light which provide free medical care or distribution of food in India, an approximate relay of the UN themes ...
There was a time when the Sahaj Marg had a single organization to represent and manage this little empire, the Shri Ram Chandra Mission created by Babuji in 1945. That did not last long ...
In 1969, Dr. KC Varadachari created the Sahaj Marg Research Institute. It will then be directed by his son, KC Narayana, until 1991. Chari then turns it into SMRTI (adding "Training") and integrates it within the SMSF , the Sahaj Marg Spirituality Foundation.
With the years 1970-80 comes the internationalization of Sahaj Marg, the national associations flower around the world, the Indian SRCM remains the parent association, even amid the legal conflicts with the children of Babuji.
1994-2004: The time of the FOUNDATIONS. First in Switzerland with the Sahaj Marg Spirituality Foundation, and the Sahaj Marg Spirituality Foundation in the USA, India and Dubai. SRCM associations are becoming empty shells, the money, the land and real estate migrate to the SMSF. The LMOIS School in 2005 and the CREST Centers and retreats are created with these funds. The national SRCM's do not manage more than the regular daily operation.
And it takes not less than 2 structures to control the Lalaji Memorial Omega International School. The first for its management, the Baal Vatika Educational Society and the second for its financing, the Baal Vatika Educational Trust become the latest Lalaji Memorial Educational Society & Trust .
In 2009, the publications are no longer managed by the SRCM or the foundations, but by a new structure, the Spiritual Hierarchy Publication Trust (SHPT).
New structures involving individuals and real estate companies are being seriously considered ...
A member contributing today has access to only the accounts of the local SRCM. Everything else is completely lost from scrutiny. Neither the operation of the parent association in India, nor the publications, the donations or the purchases of property or real estate are not disclosed.
Chari said about the LMOIS: "(...) there is no black money transaction-no trustees following the money. I am here to see to that", in other word, it rests on Chari alone, and on the trust one wants to grant him... and everything is forthcoming ...
Whether one makes a gift, or buys a luxurious and expensive publications or participates in the financing of an ashram, a member of the SRCM will not obtain any additional information.
Chari always reserves the right to allocate money from a donation to whatever he pleases, without even informing the donor ...
What transparency!
SRCM, SMSF, SMRTI, SHPT, LMOIS, LMES and LMET ...
Associations by the dozens, foundations 4, a research institute, a publishing and distribution "trust", a school with 2 parent societies ... this is just the tip of the iceberg! That is the culmination of almost 30 years of Charijism!
The SRCM is multinational "Spirituality"? Maybe! But most certainly a multinational real estate and financial entity, and maybe "humanitarian" soon ... the opacity is now total.
Tuesday, August 11, 2009
Comment To Article: "Lalaji And His Many Successors"
This is a comment left by "sp", to my translation of an article by Alexis, on Elodie's blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg, posted on this blog Jan. 26, 2007: Lalaji and his many successors
sp said...
This comment taken and translated from a comment form Alexis on Elodie's blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg (article: Le 82 ème or 83 ème aniversaire de Chari), is a reply to a comment on my blog from SP, on an earlier article: Lalaji And His Many Successors
Alexis said....
Succession Between Gurus
Some thoughts after reading the reviews of SP on the blog of Don (Comment to Article: Lalaji And His Many Successors)
There is much talk of Babuji's controversial succession, and Lalaji's is no less dramatic. Several of his disciples have created their own organizations, Ramashram Satsang. Lalaji himself was reluctant to appoint his successor, between his nephew Brijmohan Lal clearly recommended by Huzur Maharaj, and his own son, Jagmohan Narain, he seems to have preferred.
In short, we now have several currents, Ramashram Satsang from Lalaji's main disciples, the Sufi NaqshMuMRa lineage of the descendants of Lalaji and the organizations that relates to the brother of Lalaji (Raghubal Dayal) and his children (Brijmohan and Radhamohan lal), ie Akhil Bhartiya Santmat Satsang in India and the Golden Sufi Center in California, to mention only the main ones ...
Not to mention the SRCM, Babuji having had the conviction of having been appointed by Lalaji after his death! (in a dream) This is really a lot of successors for Lalaji ... just like there are many today who claim their succession from Babuji.
The main difference is, it seems, is that there have been no trials or attempted poisoning. But issues of power and money were much less at the time (of Lalaji), there were far fewer followers and a lot less money. This probably explains it ...
Fame, power and money attract coveteousness and complicates every estates. It is a law of history, valid both in religious and spiritual gurus and in politics.
The leader, during his lifetime, by his authority overrides all his lieutenants, through fear of one day being supplanted. At his death, there are necessarily no obvious successors, since there is a gap around him. So while the world rushes for the cake no one wants to share. Quarrels erupt, the wars of succession begin ...
It is a law of history, perhaps even a law of Nature. And the gurus are no more free from this law than others! Power has its reasons ...
The "greater" the leader, the more difficult it is to succeed him. Lalaji was not a giant, Babuji was not a dwarf.
To Chari's (succession), there will soon be an answer. But when you see the current positioning of one and the other, it already heralds a troubled future. And it is not his designated successor, Ajay Kumar Bhatter, who will change things. This is only a puppet named to that post to calm the contenders who can no longer operate in broad daylight (in the open). His (artificial) legitimacy will extinguish itself after Chari's death. Legitimacy is acquired, it can not be decreed ...
Is Chari "Great"? Just answer this: Does he have fame, power or money? Obviously, this is not spirituality at all, but Leadership only!
So when has there ever been a question of spirituality? The history of Sahaj Marg is virtually nothing more than a history of leadership, at least since 1974 ...
Wednesday August 12, 09:07:00 AM
sp said...
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I am feeling very much disheartened by the actions and untrue self seeking thoughts of some of the followers of Param Pujya Mahatma Ram Chandra ji maharaj ( popularly known as Lalaji shab) of Fatehgarh who took samadhi on 14 August 1931 at Fatehgarh and who was real Bhagirath to bring the spritual Ganga to earth.
To know him one has to read Vasiyatnama (included in Jeevancharitra available at Lucknow Samadhi) dictated by Pujyapad Lalaji shab on 23 Octuber 1930, wherein He has clearly instructed His son Mahatma Jagmohan Narayan ji to seek this spritual knowledge through kind blessings of his eldest cousin brother Paramsant Mahatma Brijmohan Lal ji (popularly known as Pitaji shab), who took samadhi on 17 Jan. 1955 at Mumbai (His samadhi is at Lucknow), who is right inheriter of this spiritual Ganga after his father Pujyapad Mahatma Ragubar Dayal ji (popularly known as Chachaji Maharaj), who attained samadhi on 7 June, 1947 at Kanpur, who was just similar to Paramsant Mahatma Ram Chandra ji maharaj as declared by Pujyapad Lalaji Maharaj at one of the Holy festival.It may also be noted here that Paramsant Mahatma Jagmohan Narayan ji remain a faithful and obidient follower of Paramsant Pitaji shab for his entire life and finally attained samadhi in 1944 at Fatehgarh. Further, after Paramsant Mahatma Brijmohan Lal ji, Param Pujniya Paramsant Mahatma Omkarnath ji (popularly known as Bhaiyaji / Papaji shab) has devoted his entire life (since Jan 1955 at the age of 21 till 20 May 2008 when He attained samadhi at Lucknow), for the upliftment of seekers of this Brahm Gyan as per the wishes of His Bujurgan, without creating any sanstha or society which is not allowed by Pujyapad Lalaji shab in anyway.
In view of above, I pray Almighty for giving sadbuddhi to all, who are diverting from the path shown by Pujyapad Lalaji shab.
May God bless all of us to remain faithful and obidient follower of our Sadgurudev Param pujya Papaji shab.
This comment taken and translated from a comment form Alexis on Elodie's blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg (article: Le 82 ème or 83 ème aniversaire de Chari), is a reply to a comment on my blog from SP, on an earlier article: Lalaji And His Many Successors
Alexis said....
Succession Between Gurus
Some thoughts after reading the reviews of SP on the blog of Don (Comment to Article: Lalaji And His Many Successors)
There is much talk of Babuji's controversial succession, and Lalaji's is no less dramatic. Several of his disciples have created their own organizations, Ramashram Satsang. Lalaji himself was reluctant to appoint his successor, between his nephew Brijmohan Lal clearly recommended by Huzur Maharaj, and his own son, Jagmohan Narain, he seems to have preferred.
In short, we now have several currents, Ramashram Satsang from Lalaji's main disciples, the Sufi NaqshMuMRa lineage of the descendants of Lalaji and the organizations that relates to the brother of Lalaji (Raghubal Dayal) and his children (Brijmohan and Radhamohan lal), ie Akhil Bhartiya Santmat Satsang in India and the Golden Sufi Center in California, to mention only the main ones ...
Not to mention the SRCM, Babuji having had the conviction of having been appointed by Lalaji after his death! (in a dream) This is really a lot of successors for Lalaji ... just like there are many today who claim their succession from Babuji.
The main difference is, it seems, is that there have been no trials or attempted poisoning. But issues of power and money were much less at the time (of Lalaji), there were far fewer followers and a lot less money. This probably explains it ...
Fame, power and money attract coveteousness and complicates every estates. It is a law of history, valid both in religious and spiritual gurus and in politics.
The leader, during his lifetime, by his authority overrides all his lieutenants, through fear of one day being supplanted. At his death, there are necessarily no obvious successors, since there is a gap around him. So while the world rushes for the cake no one wants to share. Quarrels erupt, the wars of succession begin ...
It is a law of history, perhaps even a law of Nature. And the gurus are no more free from this law than others! Power has its reasons ...
The "greater" the leader, the more difficult it is to succeed him. Lalaji was not a giant, Babuji was not a dwarf.
To Chari's (succession), there will soon be an answer. But when you see the current positioning of one and the other, it already heralds a troubled future. And it is not his designated successor, Ajay Kumar Bhatter, who will change things. This is only a puppet named to that post to calm the contenders who can no longer operate in broad daylight (in the open). His (artificial) legitimacy will extinguish itself after Chari's death. Legitimacy is acquired, it can not be decreed ...
Is Chari "Great"? Just answer this: Does he have fame, power or money? Obviously, this is not spirituality at all, but Leadership only!
So when has there ever been a question of spirituality? The history of Sahaj Marg is virtually nothing more than a history of leadership, at least since 1974 ...
Wednesday August 12, 09:07:00 AM
Sunday, August 09, 2009
Chari's 82nd or 83rd Birthday Bash
Taken and translated (by 4d-don) from a comment by Alexis on Elodie's Blog in France: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg:
Sunday, August 09, 2009
Chari's 82nd or 83rd birthday. As you like, it is your choice!
According to the SRCM (California-1997), 34 830 people attended the (Chari's Birthday) ceremonies on the 23rd, 24th and 25the of July, 2009, of which about 4,000 were children. 96% were Indians, versus only 1,527 who were foreigners. Among the Indians, more than two thirds of them lived in only 4 states: 3 states from the Horn of South India (Tamil Nadu, Andhra Pradesh and Karnataka) and Uttar Pradesh, the home of the historic SRCM. The state of Tamil Nadu by itself accounted for more than one quarter of the abhyasis present, the ceremony taking place at Tiruppur in the same state, as well it is in the state where the Mission headquarters are located.
It is really not far from the true representation of Sahaj Marg in India and in the World ...
On July 24th, 2009, as a speech, Chari read a message which he apparently received from Babuji. On two occasions, the latter exclaims that time is passing, "time is pressing", without one knowing too well what to do (about it). And he concluded with these words: "do not waste your time (...) time flies." To use the word "time" four times in a short message, is revealing. Does Chari feel it the end coming? In any case, he puts on the pressure ...
His speech the next day focused on religion. And it appears to be the classic version of Chari's Sahaj Marg: "Where spirituality begins, religion ends" or "Religion has no God, God has no religion." He adds: "Today's wars are all about religion. The biggest problem facing humanity today is religion." And later, "I pray that all of you will awaken." But no, no, rest assured, Chari is not starting a new crusade of these modern times. He took time to explain: "We do not preach that we destroy religion. We are not here to break temples or idols." Whew, that is reassuring. It was time! After the speech of the night before, where Babuji apparently said (through the mouth of Chari?) that "time was pressing", and this fierce charge by Chari against religion, one was entitled to ask questions.
Well, yes! By the way, time is pressing, but to do what, then?
Alexis
4d-Don's Comments: What does Chari and the "Sahaj Marg" abhyasis do when "time is pressing"? Have a Birthday bash for Chari!! And that, to the SRCM (California-1997) gang, is "spirituality" as opposed to those who stay at home and "MEDITATE" or "commune" with the Divine or with LIFE.
Somewhere along the road, Chari misses the point. What he calls "corrupt" for other religions, (POMP and CEREMONY, or parties), he condones for himself and his "serfs" ... Is there not a societal word for that condition? Hypocrisy!!
The parallel in Christianity is Pope Leo X, who's corrupt pompous and ceremonious actions and hedonistic and sensually orgasmic birthday bashes, brought about the "Protestant Reformation". The parallel in today's politics (besides the scandals around "birthday bashes" in Indian politics) is dictator Mugabe of Zimbabwe, who celebrates his birthday lavishly while the masses of Zimbabwe-ans are in "a health and financial crisis".
One notices that the "children" are used at these parties, by most pyramidal religions' leadership as well as by political dictators... There is not more "honour" in Sahaj Marg than in the other RELIGIONS Chari calls "corrupt"!! By Chari's own standards, Sahaj Marg is also "corrupt". Parties cost money! Charity money!! Money that could help the POOR ... not charity money spent on a birthday party for the Indian well-to-do business and nationalist community and their children.
Babuji would say that Sahaj Marg is for those 18 years of age and older and would not indulge is such nationalist hedonism and "materialism" using the children for his egotistical "glory" ... Why is Chari using the children as all religions do?? For his ego?
And according to Chari, in his speech above, "Religion has no God" ??? Silly and Wrong! Also, according to Chari, God is MALE. At least, that is the falsehood or the outright "LIE" that Chari teaches to the children. And the violence and the battles inside the SRCM are also about RELIGION!! The "hypocrites" point at others so that the people they target don't look at them!! Chari is no "philosopher" or Saint!!
Sunday, August 09, 2009
Chari's 82nd or 83rd birthday. As you like, it is your choice!
According to the SRCM (California-1997), 34 830 people attended the (Chari's Birthday) ceremonies on the 23rd, 24th and 25the of July, 2009, of which about 4,000 were children. 96% were Indians, versus only 1,527 who were foreigners. Among the Indians, more than two thirds of them lived in only 4 states: 3 states from the Horn of South India (Tamil Nadu, Andhra Pradesh and Karnataka) and Uttar Pradesh, the home of the historic SRCM. The state of Tamil Nadu by itself accounted for more than one quarter of the abhyasis present, the ceremony taking place at Tiruppur in the same state, as well it is in the state where the Mission headquarters are located.
It is really not far from the true representation of Sahaj Marg in India and in the World ...
On July 24th, 2009, as a speech, Chari read a message which he apparently received from Babuji. On two occasions, the latter exclaims that time is passing, "time is pressing", without one knowing too well what to do (about it). And he concluded with these words: "do not waste your time (...) time flies." To use the word "time" four times in a short message, is revealing. Does Chari feel it the end coming? In any case, he puts on the pressure ...
His speech the next day focused on religion. And it appears to be the classic version of Chari's Sahaj Marg: "Where spirituality begins, religion ends" or "Religion has no God, God has no religion." He adds: "Today's wars are all about religion. The biggest problem facing humanity today is religion." And later, "I pray that all of you will awaken." But no, no, rest assured, Chari is not starting a new crusade of these modern times. He took time to explain: "We do not preach that we destroy religion. We are not here to break temples or idols." Whew, that is reassuring. It was time! After the speech of the night before, where Babuji apparently said (through the mouth of Chari?) that "time was pressing", and this fierce charge by Chari against religion, one was entitled to ask questions.
Well, yes! By the way, time is pressing, but to do what, then?
Alexis
4d-Don's Comments: What does Chari and the "Sahaj Marg" abhyasis do when "time is pressing"? Have a Birthday bash for Chari!! And that, to the SRCM (California-1997) gang, is "spirituality" as opposed to those who stay at home and "MEDITATE" or "commune" with the Divine or with LIFE.
Somewhere along the road, Chari misses the point. What he calls "corrupt" for other religions, (POMP and CEREMONY, or parties), he condones for himself and his "serfs" ... Is there not a societal word for that condition? Hypocrisy!!
The parallel in Christianity is Pope Leo X, who's corrupt pompous and ceremonious actions and hedonistic and sensually orgasmic birthday bashes, brought about the "Protestant Reformation". The parallel in today's politics (besides the scandals around "birthday bashes" in Indian politics) is dictator Mugabe of Zimbabwe, who celebrates his birthday lavishly while the masses of Zimbabwe-ans are in "a health and financial crisis".
One notices that the "children" are used at these parties, by most pyramidal religions' leadership as well as by political dictators... There is not more "honour" in Sahaj Marg than in the other RELIGIONS Chari calls "corrupt"!! By Chari's own standards, Sahaj Marg is also "corrupt". Parties cost money! Charity money!! Money that could help the POOR ... not charity money spent on a birthday party for the Indian well-to-do business and nationalist community and their children.
Babuji would say that Sahaj Marg is for those 18 years of age and older and would not indulge is such nationalist hedonism and "materialism" using the children for his egotistical "glory" ... Why is Chari using the children as all religions do?? For his ego?
And according to Chari, in his speech above, "Religion has no God" ??? Silly and Wrong! Also, according to Chari, God is MALE. At least, that is the falsehood or the outright "LIE" that Chari teaches to the children. And the violence and the battles inside the SRCM are also about RELIGION!! The "hypocrites" point at others so that the people they target don't look at them!! Chari is no "philosopher" or Saint!!
Tuesday, August 04, 2009
Groupthink and Egregores at SRCM (California - 1997)
According to Frank, ex-preceptor and Zonal-In-Charge (ZIC) of the Netherlands for Chari's group, the SRCM(California-1997), Groupthink is alive and well in Sahaj Marg and at the SRCM(California-1997). (See Frank's blog: The Pitfalls of Spirituality, Obedience and Groupthink, The Sahaj Marg Example). Now we know from "insiders" about Groupthink, and from Chari himself, about the "ritual" of the use of "egregores" in Sahaj Marg. (see the articles on egregores on this blog)
Add to that the "strongly recommended" (by Chari) rituals of "repetitious reading" (7 or 8 times) of the "whispers" messages, channeled by an anonymous French Lady Medium from the spirits of the deceased, so as to erase the samskaras, (impressions of one's actions on one's soul), and the recommended "obedience" and "surrender" in the Sahaj Marg material, and we have the makings of a "Spiritualist Cult of a Personality.
And this CULT of a PERSONALITY, which uses the brainwashing rituals (which in Sahaj Marg is called "brain or mind cleaning?") of the constant REPETITION of messages channeled from the spirits of the deceased, as well as GROUPTHINK and EGREGORES, claims to be "ritual free". The disciples are then expected to "obey" and "surrender" and become "as living dead". In "Salient Features of Sahaj Marg"(SMRI Series 3)Page 52-53,the relationship with the disciple's families and friends are to "appear severed" (see section heading: "relationship")
Comments inserted by 4d-don in (red italics)
What is Groupthink? How is it defined?
From: The Trouble With Physics, by Lee Smolin, {Section IV , Learning From Experience, Chapter 16, How Do You Fight Sociology? (page 286)}
Yale psychologist Irving Janis, who coined the term (Groupthink) in the 1970's defines groupthink as "a mode of thinking that people engage in when they are deeply involved in a cohesive in-group, when the members striving for unanimity override their motivation to realistically appraise alternative courses of action." According to this definition, Groupthink occurs only when cohesiveness is high. It requires that members share a strong "we-feeling" of solidarity and a desire to maintain relationships within the group at all costs. When collegues operate in a groupthink mode, they automatically apply the "preserve group harmony" test to every decision they face.
Here is a description of groupthink excerpted from an Oregon University Website dealing with communication:
Groupthink members see themselves as part of an in-group working against an out-group opposed to their goals. You can tell if a group suffers from groupthink if it:
1. overestimates its invulnerability or high moral stance, (Sahaj Marg Founder and leaders claim to have the "ONLY" path to GOD)
2. collectively rationalizes the decisions it makes, (and in Sahaj Marg, the decisions are made for them by the "inner circle" of the sectarian faction of SRCM (California - 1997)
3. demonizes or stereotypes outgroups and their leaders, (See here for Chari's actions of demonizing the Sahaj Marg "out-group" in his book: He! The Hookah and I)
4. has a culture of uniformity where individuals censor themselves and others so that the facade of unanimity is maintained, ( in the written material and speeches, weekly visit to PRECEPTOR (priest), and numerous regional, national, and global seminars re-inforce GROUPTHINK, (and groupdress, groupdiet, groupspeech)
5. contains members who take it upon themselves to protect the group leader by keeping information, theirs and other group members', from the leader. (and as in the Mafia, the Sahaj Marg "lunatic fringe" attack the "out-group" with threats of violence (murder), legal action, etc...)
We need to do much more than throw around words like "GROUPTHINK".
We need to define Spirituality, Spiritualism, Religion, Cult, etc... They should at the very least be defined as part of our "Charitable Tax-exempt" legislation.
If we don't, we will continue to naively subsidize all and any "harmful sects" with our tax dollars, and hence actively participate (through our servants, the bureaucrats, and the "political representatives") in the divisions in our societies. These divisions are brought about by these "men of sin" with their traditional and neo-"RELIGIONS" and/or CULTS of PERSONALITIES, be they of living, recently-deceased or long-time-deceased "Special Personalities", Icons/Idols, Messiahs, Saviours, or Gods, and/or semi-Gods.
Genuine charity could continue to be tax-exempt in the future, but not RELIGION and other such ISMS who use these religious "charitable status" so as to proselytize and "grow the business" of their sectarian RELIGIONS and CULTS (build churches, temples, schools, hospitals, retreats, etc... ) along with having their own personal businesses expenses covered and hence, increase their personal followings and/or access to commercial "markets" in other countries.
If such "religions and cults" are allowed to exist in our societies, they should fund themselves, as well as adhere to "bills of responsibility" (to complement the citizens' hard-earned "bills of rights"), so as to be allowed to continue to be licensed and carry on their "business" of religion inside our national borders. I don't want them to be subsidized by my TAXES anymore. If anything, they should be taxed more so as to cover the cost of mitigating the societal damage caused by the religious "turmoil" and "divisions" which they create in the broader society. Turmoil such as marginalizing ex-members of their groups and members of the out-groups, their family and friends, and generally creating divisions, factions, violence and even WAR!!
Add to that the "strongly recommended" (by Chari) rituals of "repetitious reading" (7 or 8 times) of the "whispers" messages, channeled by an anonymous French Lady Medium from the spirits of the deceased, so as to erase the samskaras, (impressions of one's actions on one's soul), and the recommended "obedience" and "surrender" in the Sahaj Marg material, and we have the makings of a "Spiritualist Cult of a Personality.
And this CULT of a PERSONALITY, which uses the brainwashing rituals (which in Sahaj Marg is called "brain or mind cleaning?") of the constant REPETITION of messages channeled from the spirits of the deceased, as well as GROUPTHINK and EGREGORES, claims to be "ritual free". The disciples are then expected to "obey" and "surrender" and become "as living dead". In "Salient Features of Sahaj Marg"(SMRI Series 3)Page 52-53,the relationship with the disciple's families and friends are to "appear severed" (see section heading: "relationship")
Comments inserted by 4d-don in (red italics)
What is Groupthink? How is it defined?
From: The Trouble With Physics, by Lee Smolin, {Section IV , Learning From Experience, Chapter 16, How Do You Fight Sociology? (page 286)}
Yale psychologist Irving Janis, who coined the term (Groupthink) in the 1970's defines groupthink as "a mode of thinking that people engage in when they are deeply involved in a cohesive in-group, when the members striving for unanimity override their motivation to realistically appraise alternative courses of action." According to this definition, Groupthink occurs only when cohesiveness is high. It requires that members share a strong "we-feeling" of solidarity and a desire to maintain relationships within the group at all costs. When collegues operate in a groupthink mode, they automatically apply the "preserve group harmony" test to every decision they face.
Here is a description of groupthink excerpted from an Oregon University Website dealing with communication:
Groupthink members see themselves as part of an in-group working against an out-group opposed to their goals. You can tell if a group suffers from groupthink if it:
1. overestimates its invulnerability or high moral stance, (Sahaj Marg Founder and leaders claim to have the "ONLY" path to GOD)
2. collectively rationalizes the decisions it makes, (and in Sahaj Marg, the decisions are made for them by the "inner circle" of the sectarian faction of SRCM (California - 1997)
3. demonizes or stereotypes outgroups and their leaders, (See here for Chari's actions of demonizing the Sahaj Marg "out-group" in his book: He! The Hookah and I)
4. has a culture of uniformity where individuals censor themselves and others so that the facade of unanimity is maintained, ( in the written material and speeches, weekly visit to PRECEPTOR (priest), and numerous regional, national, and global seminars re-inforce GROUPTHINK, (and groupdress, groupdiet, groupspeech)
5. contains members who take it upon themselves to protect the group leader by keeping information, theirs and other group members', from the leader. (and as in the Mafia, the Sahaj Marg "lunatic fringe" attack the "out-group" with threats of violence (murder), legal action, etc...)
We need to do much more than throw around words like "GROUPTHINK".
We need to define Spirituality, Spiritualism, Religion, Cult, etc... They should at the very least be defined as part of our "Charitable Tax-exempt" legislation.
If we don't, we will continue to naively subsidize all and any "harmful sects" with our tax dollars, and hence actively participate (through our servants, the bureaucrats, and the "political representatives") in the divisions in our societies. These divisions are brought about by these "men of sin" with their traditional and neo-"RELIGIONS" and/or CULTS of PERSONALITIES, be they of living, recently-deceased or long-time-deceased "Special Personalities", Icons/Idols, Messiahs, Saviours, or Gods, and/or semi-Gods.
Genuine charity could continue to be tax-exempt in the future, but not RELIGION and other such ISMS who use these religious "charitable status" so as to proselytize and "grow the business" of their sectarian RELIGIONS and CULTS (build churches, temples, schools, hospitals, retreats, etc... ) along with having their own personal businesses expenses covered and hence, increase their personal followings and/or access to commercial "markets" in other countries.
If such "religions and cults" are allowed to exist in our societies, they should fund themselves, as well as adhere to "bills of responsibility" (to complement the citizens' hard-earned "bills of rights"), so as to be allowed to continue to be licensed and carry on their "business" of religion inside our national borders. I don't want them to be subsidized by my TAXES anymore. If anything, they should be taxed more so as to cover the cost of mitigating the societal damage caused by the religious "turmoil" and "divisions" which they create in the broader society. Turmoil such as marginalizing ex-members of their groups and members of the out-groups, their family and friends, and generally creating divisions, factions, violence and even WAR!!
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