This reply to questions from the "Tell me the Truth, India" site: (you can see all the comments and questions in full at:
http://tmtindia.blogspot.com/2007/01/justice-should-be-for-all-not-only-for.html
March 24, 2007
Saturday, March 24, 2007
Tuesday, March 13, 2007
Copies (typed) of SRCM Official Succession Documents
These are typed versions of the documents found on the site of Navneet Kumar, Babuji's grandson, SRCM Shahjahanpur: (documents can be viewed at this site under "successor" then "facts")
http://www.srcmshahjahanpur.org.in/default.html
This was taken with gratitude from Elodie's blog at:
http://pourquevivelesahajmarg.blogspot.com/
See Freedom from Sahaj Marg (Shashwat's site) or here (Sahaj Marg and SRCM Legal and Important Documents) for scans of some original documents.
Circular of Secretairy S.A. Sarnad dated february 15, 1984
CIRCULAR
Dated 15/02/84
To: All the members of the working committee,
Centre-in-charges/Preceptors/Organisors
of Shri Ram Chandra Mission in India
and Abroad :
Sub : Declaration of Successor President
of Shri Ram Chandra Mission,
Shahjahanpur. U.P.
Dear Brothers/Sisters,
Here I am pleased to inform you that our Revered Master Shri Ram Chandraji Maharaj had nominated Shri Umesh Chandra Saxena vide declaration/nomination letter dated 16.04.82 and the same was produced before the member of the working committee on the 6th and 7th. Feb. 1984 for approval and consent of the members and the members present have accepted and approved the nomination dt. 16.04.82 in favour of Shri Umesh Chandra Saxena S/o Late Mahatma Ram Chandraji Maharaj. Hence with effect from 7th. Feb. 1984 Mr. Umesh Chandra Saxena is now the SUCCESSOR PRESIDENT of Shri RAM Chandra Mission Shahjahanpur.
The Minutes of the working committee were further produced before the General Body members of Shri Ram Chandra Mission and the declaration/Nomination letter dt. 16.04.82 were unanismously approved and accepted, this is just for the information of the brothers and sisters. In this connection kindly find enclosed the following for your record of information.
1. The Copy of Declaration/Nomination Letter dt. 16.04.82
2. Extract of the minutes of the working committee meeting held on 6th. and 7th. Feb. 1984.
3. Extract of the minutes of the General Body meeting held on 8th. Feb. 1984.
We request all the members/abhiyasis/Preceptors/organisors to cooperate with the President of Shri Ram Chandra Mission, Shahjahanpur.
Yours affectionately
S.A. SARNAD
SECRETARY
CC Shri Umesh Chandra Saxena
President SRCM
Letter of nomination of Chariji, dated March 23, 1974
I hereby nominate my disciple Sri. P. Rajagopalachari as my representative to work for the Mission as President in the Sahaj Marg System. As long as I live, I will be doing my job, Afterwards he will enjoy the fullfledged authority given by the Constitution and bye-laws of the Mission.
May God's grace shower through him to all mankind.
Ram Chandra
President
Shri Ram Chandra Mission
Shahjahanpur U.P. (India)
Shri Ram Chandra Mission
Shahjahanpur U.P. (India)
The 23rd March 1974
Letter of nomination of Umesh Chandra Saxena, dated April 16, 1982
Letter of nomination of Umesh Chandra Saxena, dated April 16, 1982
Date 16th. April 1982
DECLARATION/NOMINATION
I, Ram Chandra, Founder President of Shri Ram Chandra Mission, Diwan jograj, Shahjahanpur in Exercise of my Power under Rule 3 and 4 of the Rules and constitution of my Private Trust/Society, on my free Will and Accord and upon the due consideration of the totality of the circumstances prevailing in my said Mission including wishes and blessing of the Almighty and that of my Samarth Guru Shri Ram Chandraji Maharaj of Fatehgarh, do hereby nominate my Spiritual Representative as also my son Shri Umesh Chandra Saxena as Successor President of Shri Ram Chandra Mission Shahjahanpur, with liberty to him, to further nominate his successor President of Shri Ram Chandra Mission with the condition that the person so nominated by him as his successor President of the said Mission must be his spiritual representatives in his direct line of succession.
I shall however continue as President of aforesaid Mission till my life time and this nomination shall come into play only after my death.
Previous nomination if any, made by me, shall stand superceeded and cancelled.
Affectionately yours
Ram Chandra
Letter from Babuji to Jahagirdar, dated Septembre 2, 1982
2.09.82
Paris (France)
Private and confidential
My dear Jahagirdar,
To day I am thinking of you from the early morning and I feel to part some secret for your knowledge and advantage of our Abhiyasis because I feel by the time I reach India it will be too late. Now I am beginning to think that some people do not want my existence and it appears that they do not have any love for me but they think of more of the property and assets of the Mission and we are deviating from the path of " SAHAJ MARGA ".
Recently I have examined four of my senior preceptor, but I found that they have taken the different view of Sahaj Marga, with the result I have to leave them for the care of God Almighty to sail or sink. I also worked hard with Parthasarathi Rajagopala-Chari but all in vain, dark clouds are around him and the nature has decided to punish him. I was astonished to feel that he has been revengeful and making several attempts on my life for the past eight years. In the way back 1974 when I was admited to Vivekananda Hospital Lucknow, that time he played with my life but I could survive since my master was great to safguard me, at that time the circumstances were diferent. Now again he became successful in administering the slow poison solution in my food served in the plate while travelling from India to Paris. But I was taken careof by the doctor here but nothing can be said what happens while I travel from Paris to India Back; anything could be expected.
Now I feel that the time has come to leave physical body the enough damage has been done and moch more is expected in the 100 hours probabely I may not be given any chance to write any further letter after this that is why I thought of you to convey my feeling to you, for you to know what kind of people Mission is having and what reward has been given to me for the servilce to the huminity and the mankind.
I am given to understand here that Mr. P. Rajagopalachari has been conducting meetings with the foreign Abhiyasis that he is going to be the next President and Master may not survive now, I still do not know who has declared him? These are the things which are depressing me and I see the present condition of the Mission today.
During my illness Jesus Crist were attending on me and sucking the poison from my body, during the time I had enough time to attend on you and I found your fullest devotion and surrender and I have transformed you in totality. I wish that all our abhiyasis should follow your path and you are requested to guide every our Abhiyasi so that they are benifitted.
I want to reveal one more secret ["one more secret" is underlined] which is fetal to the Missionis that I have already nominated my Successor President and the letter to this effect has already been issued, the person is from the Direct Line of Succession and this is the wish of my Master.
I am also associating with my successor President the following four persons who will also work under his direction and they are:
1. Dr. S. P. Srivastava, Lakhimpur Kori,
2. Mr. Kashi Ram Agarwal, Shahjahanpur,
3. Mr. K. C. Narayan S/o KDr. K. C. Vardhachari
4. Mr. Nasib Chand Lucknow
Kindly do not divulge these secret to any one except Umesh, my son but only after my life time otherwise he is likely to become hostile. I foresee immediate hospitalisation in India and likely to remain for longer period, hence this letter being confidential letter handing over to one of the old sincere Abhiyasi who is here, to ensure delivery of this letter safely.
You are at liberty, to take action in alarming circumstances, if need be but with a condition to route through this letter through Umesh only. But at the same times you are also requested to streamline the disturbances by peaceful approach by taking help of the other senior members.
I fully hope that you will do as I wish.
Yours affectionately
Ram Chandra
Friday, March 09, 2007
Michael's View on the Controversies...Mar 9, 2007
Michael' s POV on the whole controversy as of Mar 9, 2007 from a comment on his site.
Michael is an ex-preceptor and an ex-member of the North American Publishing Committee of SRCM and a ex-member of the "inner circle" of SRCM.
https://www2.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=27865974&postID=115201205019302326
Michael is an ex-preceptor and an ex-member of the North American Publishing Committee of SRCM and a ex-member of the "inner circle" of SRCM.
https://www2.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=27865974&postID=115201205019302326
- Alexis said...
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Michael,
JM from Chari's clan spoke about the first son of Babuji, Prakash, and the grandson Charad.
He said Umeshchandra wasn't candidate for the succession at the beginning, but Prakash. Later, Charad would say his letter was a forgery. And later on, Umeshchandra came for being president.
Did you know these members of Babuji's family ? and other one ?
What do you know about this story of Prakash candidate ?
Thanks- Michael said...
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Alexis,
Yes, JM is correct. In the early days there was an initial attempt by Babuji's eldest son to promote his son (Babuji's grandson) as the successor. I know JM personally, he introduced me to SRCM in 1979. There is little reason to question the validity of his statements.
I'm going to stop commenting on this subject at this point because I honestly believe we're giving this entire situation far more attention than it is worth. Babuji's family is merely fighting for control of property they consider their inheritance and birthright.
Chari is the real concern and target, as he has proven far more capable politically, and strategically, than all the opposition, and as a result has been able to seize the most control over the largest concentration of property, and disciples. The key point is how how easily Babuji's entire legacy has been hijacked by opportunists looking for spiritual power, property and money. If one wanted to explore the truth, wouldn't it be more productive to focus on the source of Babuji's foundation of SRCM, and Lalaji's legacy rather then on the clan warfare that resulted from Babuji's efforts? Clearly the root cause for this clan warfare lies there and not in what is happening today between the Umesh and Chari Clans.
The various groups founded from Lalaji's times have not shown the same animosity or vindicitveness towards each other. Only Babuji claimed to be the sole and exclusive successor Lalaji. Only Babuji created an exclusive organization that chose to focus on wealthy westerners. I have found exploring these aspects of SRCM history far more informative since my departure over 15 years ago.
SRCM in reality is a minor organization in the larger scheme of things. Its cult like tendencies worsen with every year of its existence. It is an organziation that has a single Master with no peer, claiming to lead the only valid path to spiritual enlightenment in the world today. Unquestioning obedience to the Master and his Organization is required of all disciples. This formula only results in manipulation and cultism, because, as even Chari has been known to say, "Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely". No cult with these characteristics has ever left a lasting, positive impact on humanity. SRCM will be no different.
As for the stories of poisoning. I know from direct personal experience that poisoning is a common method for suicide and homicide used by Indians, given the very passive aggressive nature of their culture. I don't doubt elements from both clans are using poison to eliminate and threaten their opposition.
I seriously question why we want to continue to give either side the luxury of an audience on this matter. There are far more fullfilling histories to explore than these sordid events of clan warfare. Aren't there sufficient facts revealed to date to show that neither side in this controversy has any credibility?
Michael
Summary of "Contradictory Facts" (SRCM INTRIGUES)
Translated with Google Translate, from a comment by Alexis on Elodie's Blog:
http://pourquevivelesahajmarg.blogspot.com/
The Truth will set us Free...Information is not truth per se, but is the truth in-formation!!
You still must decide on what you accept and refuse! Now you have a broader spectrum of the Wave called Truth! Now, part of the information used to construct that wave comes from "US" too!
Now killing the messengers will not work anymore as more "messengers" take up the slack, sort of like the "ant hill"!
From Elodie’s Blog, Mar. 9, 2007. Summary by Alexis…
Alexis said…
The “contradictory facts” which some tell us…
The SRCM is officially created by Babuji on May 30, 1945 in Shahjahanpur, its statutes are registered in Lucknow. In 1946, he releases his 1st book, “Commentaries on the 10 commands of Sahaj Marg”. Then in 1948-49, he is joined by personalities from Uttar Pradesh, such as Dr. SP Srivastava, judge ML Chaturvedi and his daughter, Kum Kasturi.
In 1955, Babuji releases his famous book “Reality at Dawn”, and his notoriety overflows Uttar Pradesh. Men of the south join him. Men such as Dr. KC Varadachari and Raghavendra Rao of Karnataka. KC Narayana, son of Varadachari, also joined him in 1956. Then Parthasarathi Rajagopalachari also known as Chari arrives in 1964. Varadachari creates Sahaj Marg Research Institute (SMRTI) in 1965.
Lakshmi Narasimhan marks the beginning of the internationalization of Sahaj Marg. He leaves to teach it in Copenhagen in 1968-69. On June 18, 1970, Varadachari requests of Babuji to pay attention not “to commercialize the Mission”, but he dies the following year while his son, Narayana, undertakes a trip in the USA. Meanwhile, Chari is appointed secretary general of the mission in 1970. Then Babuji and Chari make their first common voyage to the west in 1972. They will then often appear in the company of Andre Poray and Dr. Hans Gangloff.
On March 3, 1974, Babuji (apparently) names Chari as his successor in front of witnesses, Donald Sabourin and Kasturi. In 1976 the ashram of Shahjahanpur is built. Babuji registers a complaint of the theft of 4 blank (signed) letters with the heading of the SRCM. In 1979, Babuji entrusts to Narayana that he will have to work alongside Chari in the future.
In 1980, in Munich, he declares to JM (?) that he has named Chari as his successor, but André Poray shows up there as a serious rival for Chari. Babuji is less available for the groups of abhyasis and Chari becomes reticent. Still around 1980, Babuji relieves Chari of all his functions.
In 1981, the senior preceptors, Raghavendra Rao and Ramachandra Reddy start a non-official visit to the USA with Umeshchandra Saxena, a son of Babuji who is not even a preceptor. On April 16, 1982, Babuji however writes a letter of appointment (succession) of his son, Umeshchandra.
In 1982, at the time of the voyage of Babuji to France, All becomes very sombre. André Poray is everywhere at the front of the scene; Chari, who was not invited, is relegated to the sidelines. Babuji is very sick. He announces to Kasturi that he has named somebody (as his successor) without specifying the name and that he wants to go to the police because someone wants to make an attempt on his life, which he will finally not do. On September 2, he writes to MD Jahagirdar that Chari is deviating from the initial teaching, that he is presenting himself illegitimately as his successor and that he has tried on several occasions to poison him for 4 years, but that he has found his successor. He does not name him/her but also announces that he (his successor) will have to be accompanied by Srivastava, Narayana and Kashi (?) RAM Agarwal and Nasib Chand.
In 1983, contradictory messages of the various factions flow, including from some other successors of Lalaji. Babuji dies on April 19, (1983). Chari immediately presents his letter of nomination. Raghavendra Rao and Ramachandra Reddy, with Umeshchandra at their head, declare that the letter of Chari is a counterfeit. The family of Babuji does not propose Umeshchandra (as successor) immediately, but instead, his elder brother Prakash, then his grandson, Charad. A legal battle for the control of the ashram begins. Chari travels to the west to seek support there.
Everyone is in Shahjahanpur for the birthday of Lalaji in February 1984. A “Working Committee” is set up in haste, on February 6. An (alleged) attempt at poisoning of the clan of Chari takes place.
KC Narayana, who belongs to the Working Committee considers that the letter of the son of Babuji is false and that the letter of Chari is valid. The grandson of Babuji recognizes that it is a forgery. Kasturi decides in favour of Chari. But the Working Committee decides to name Umeshchandra the Spiritual Representive. It names SP Srivastava chair of the Working Committee while waiting until the spirits are calmed, because the positioning of Kasturi in favour of Chari starts a open conflict between the factions.
Under these conditions, Chari constitutes another “Working Committee” in Hyderabad where he is proclaimed president. A new Californian SRCM will thus be created (registered) in San Luis Obispo.
In 1987, Chari again tries to seize the ashram of Shahjahanpur, but without success. SP Srivastava publishes the 2nd part of the autobiography of Babuji (1987-89).
In August 1991, Narayana leaves the clan of Chari and creates the ISRC.
In 1994, Umeshchandra brings to Srivastava his letter of nomination and makes it known that the letter of Chari is a counterfeit made from a stolen signed letterhead. He alleges also Chari to have poisoned his father. A senior preceptor accepts the letter of Umeshchandra, all then accept it and Srivastava resigns his position (interim president) to Umeshchandra Saxena who then chairs the SRCM of Shahjahanpur.
One of his preceptors leaves for the USA in 1996, and creates an Internet site “sahajmarg.org” where it publishes the 2 letters of nomination of Umeshchandra and Chari. A conflict then opposes the 2 SRCM on the domain name, and the arbitration is pronounced in favour of the clan of Umeshchandra in April 2000. The clan of Chari then hires a large law firm and carries the dispute before the federal Court of Virginia. The clan of Umeshchandra prefers to give up the case because of lack of financial means.
In 2000, Kasturi suddenly opposes Chari after she is rejected by him (Chari). She then teaches Sahaj Marg by herself from Lucknow.
Umeshchandra moves around the the ashram of Shahjahanpur with a revolver because he is afraid for his life. In 2003, he dies of “non-natural” causes. His son Navnnet KUMAR Saxena succeeds him, but his young brother is the victim of a suspect road accident only 13 days later.
Navneet KUMAR himself is the victim of an attempted poisoning on February 3, 2006. The clan of Chari invades the ashram of Shahjahanpur on April 2 then, after the death of the senior full preceptor, Raghavendra Rao, invades also the ashram of Raichur, and names AP Durai in charge on May 7, (2006). Testimonials in favour of the clan of the family of Babuji appear on the Web.
On January 18, 2007, it is the turn of Navneet KUMAR to be expressed himself on the Web. On February 7, the supreme Court rules: “Arguments heard. Orders reserved.” And Navneet creates his own site on February 22, where he publishes the 2 letters of nomination and the letter addressed to Jahagirdar where Babuji shows Chari as an “evildoer”…
Mar. 9, 2007 3:44 PM
http://pourquevivelesahajmarg.blogspot.com/
The Truth will set us Free...Information is not truth per se, but is the truth in-formation!!
You still must decide on what you accept and refuse! Now you have a broader spectrum of the Wave called Truth! Now, part of the information used to construct that wave comes from "US" too!
Now killing the messengers will not work anymore as more "messengers" take up the slack, sort of like the "ant hill"!
From Elodie’s Blog, Mar. 9, 2007. Summary by Alexis…
Alexis said…
The “contradictory facts” which some tell us…
The SRCM is officially created by Babuji on May 30, 1945 in Shahjahanpur, its statutes are registered in Lucknow. In 1946, he releases his 1st book, “Commentaries on the 10 commands of Sahaj Marg”. Then in 1948-49, he is joined by personalities from Uttar Pradesh, such as Dr. SP Srivastava, judge ML Chaturvedi and his daughter, Kum Kasturi.
In 1955, Babuji releases his famous book “Reality at Dawn”, and his notoriety overflows Uttar Pradesh. Men of the south join him. Men such as Dr. KC Varadachari and Raghavendra Rao of Karnataka. KC Narayana, son of Varadachari, also joined him in 1956. Then Parthasarathi Rajagopalachari also known as Chari arrives in 1964. Varadachari creates Sahaj Marg Research Institute (SMRTI) in 1965.
Lakshmi Narasimhan marks the beginning of the internationalization of Sahaj Marg. He leaves to teach it in Copenhagen in 1968-69. On June 18, 1970, Varadachari requests of Babuji to pay attention not “to commercialize the Mission”, but he dies the following year while his son, Narayana, undertakes a trip in the USA. Meanwhile, Chari is appointed secretary general of the mission in 1970. Then Babuji and Chari make their first common voyage to the west in 1972. They will then often appear in the company of Andre Poray and Dr. Hans Gangloff.
On March 3, 1974, Babuji (apparently) names Chari as his successor in front of witnesses, Donald Sabourin and Kasturi. In 1976 the ashram of Shahjahanpur is built. Babuji registers a complaint of the theft of 4 blank (signed) letters with the heading of the SRCM. In 1979, Babuji entrusts to Narayana that he will have to work alongside Chari in the future.
In 1980, in Munich, he declares to JM (?) that he has named Chari as his successor, but André Poray shows up there as a serious rival for Chari. Babuji is less available for the groups of abhyasis and Chari becomes reticent. Still around 1980, Babuji relieves Chari of all his functions.
In 1981, the senior preceptors, Raghavendra Rao and Ramachandra Reddy start a non-official visit to the USA with Umeshchandra Saxena, a son of Babuji who is not even a preceptor. On April 16, 1982, Babuji however writes a letter of appointment (succession) of his son, Umeshchandra.
In 1982, at the time of the voyage of Babuji to France, All becomes very sombre. André Poray is everywhere at the front of the scene; Chari, who was not invited, is relegated to the sidelines. Babuji is very sick. He announces to Kasturi that he has named somebody (as his successor) without specifying the name and that he wants to go to the police because someone wants to make an attempt on his life, which he will finally not do. On September 2, he writes to MD Jahagirdar that Chari is deviating from the initial teaching, that he is presenting himself illegitimately as his successor and that he has tried on several occasions to poison him for 4 years, but that he has found his successor. He does not name him/her but also announces that he (his successor) will have to be accompanied by Srivastava, Narayana and Kashi (?) RAM Agarwal and Nasib Chand.
In 1983, contradictory messages of the various factions flow, including from some other successors of Lalaji. Babuji dies on April 19, (1983). Chari immediately presents his letter of nomination. Raghavendra Rao and Ramachandra Reddy, with Umeshchandra at their head, declare that the letter of Chari is a counterfeit. The family of Babuji does not propose Umeshchandra (as successor) immediately, but instead, his elder brother Prakash, then his grandson, Charad. A legal battle for the control of the ashram begins. Chari travels to the west to seek support there.
Everyone is in Shahjahanpur for the birthday of Lalaji in February 1984. A “Working Committee” is set up in haste, on February 6. An (alleged) attempt at poisoning of the clan of Chari takes place.
KC Narayana, who belongs to the Working Committee considers that the letter of the son of Babuji is false and that the letter of Chari is valid. The grandson of Babuji recognizes that it is a forgery. Kasturi decides in favour of Chari. But the Working Committee decides to name Umeshchandra the Spiritual Representive. It names SP Srivastava chair of the Working Committee while waiting until the spirits are calmed, because the positioning of Kasturi in favour of Chari starts a open conflict between the factions.
Under these conditions, Chari constitutes another “Working Committee” in Hyderabad where he is proclaimed president. A new Californian SRCM will thus be created (registered) in San Luis Obispo.
In 1987, Chari again tries to seize the ashram of Shahjahanpur, but without success. SP Srivastava publishes the 2nd part of the autobiography of Babuji (1987-89).
In August 1991, Narayana leaves the clan of Chari and creates the ISRC.
In 1994, Umeshchandra brings to Srivastava his letter of nomination and makes it known that the letter of Chari is a counterfeit made from a stolen signed letterhead. He alleges also Chari to have poisoned his father. A senior preceptor accepts the letter of Umeshchandra, all then accept it and Srivastava resigns his position (interim president) to Umeshchandra Saxena who then chairs the SRCM of Shahjahanpur.
One of his preceptors leaves for the USA in 1996, and creates an Internet site “sahajmarg.org” where it publishes the 2 letters of nomination of Umeshchandra and Chari. A conflict then opposes the 2 SRCM on the domain name, and the arbitration is pronounced in favour of the clan of Umeshchandra in April 2000. The clan of Chari then hires a large law firm and carries the dispute before the federal Court of Virginia. The clan of Umeshchandra prefers to give up the case because of lack of financial means.
In 2000, Kasturi suddenly opposes Chari after she is rejected by him (Chari). She then teaches Sahaj Marg by herself from Lucknow.
Umeshchandra moves around the the ashram of Shahjahanpur with a revolver because he is afraid for his life. In 2003, he dies of “non-natural” causes. His son Navnnet KUMAR Saxena succeeds him, but his young brother is the victim of a suspect road accident only 13 days later.
Navneet KUMAR himself is the victim of an attempted poisoning on February 3, 2006. The clan of Chari invades the ashram of Shahjahanpur on April 2 then, after the death of the senior full preceptor, Raghavendra Rao, invades also the ashram of Raichur, and names AP Durai in charge on May 7, (2006). Testimonials in favour of the clan of the family of Babuji appear on the Web.
On January 18, 2007, it is the turn of Navneet KUMAR to be expressed himself on the Web. On February 7, the supreme Court rules: “Arguments heard. Orders reserved.” And Navneet creates his own site on February 22, where he publishes the 2 letters of nomination and the letter addressed to Jahagirdar where Babuji shows Chari as an “evildoer”…
Mar. 9, 2007 3:44 PM
Navneet Kumar, Babuji's Grandson on TMI
http://tmtindia.blogspot.com/2007/01/justice-should-be-for-all-not-only-for.html
The Truth will set us Free...Information is not truth per se, but is the truth in-formation!!
You still must decide on what you accept and refuse! Now you have a broader spectrum of the Wave called Truth! Now, part of the information used to construct that wave comes from "US" too!
Now killing the messengers will not work anymore as more "messengers" take up the slack, sort of like the "ant hill"!
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Dear Alexis
I think most of the questions I see have been answered really well by A old Abhyasi. Seems to be known as he says he is going to ask me to put the documents on net and also has said that he has given Affidavit in court. May be have to see records.
I think seeing your other messages too, it is time that the Minutes of Meeting should also be put on net for Clarity Purposes.
I just wan't to say that are a very many unfurling facts which most of you don't know. But I have always talked on what is in form of proof / fact / document hence I have not covered many of these instances i.e. one which A old Abhyasi had referred to. Yes my Aunty did point out the same even to me personally.
I would still say that in spirituality the experience of self during meditation is the litmus test for right or wrong.
Dear Old Abhyasi
I have the minutes of meeting letter copy. I agree that there was a planned plot by not one but by 3 people mainly supported by many. If they hear me and must have known that I know of the three meetings that they had during Babuji's Physical presence. If they remember rightly they had offered one more senior person to be a part of 'conspiracy' as called by that individual. On knowing of the same he refuted them in Delhi which was about 5-6 years before Babuji's physical demise. Please this is also like a statement without documentary proof but yes it is as told by that gentleman known to many a people of the mission who are of Babuji's time.
I would just request you to be a bit patient as there will be a time when the dark clouds over our mission will be removed by nature.
Moreover, I think Don is right as That Don which babuji gave the second life at Ashok Hotel in New Delhi is no more alive.
Dear Christian
I think the version of Autobiography that all have are not the true translation. We have come out with only two volumes in English though Volume 3 and Volume 4 are also ready for print. The original translation in in 7 volumes. Why I say it is not original because There have been personal thought put in while translation of the volumes till now. We are adopting an approach wherein what is written in Urdu is being read by a Moulvi A muslim head Priest. recorded by us and then we are translating in a different language. We are getting this done so that people who know about Sahaj Marg don't start putting in their views in between. We have completed Volume 6 in Hindi only one Volume is effectively left to be translated in Hindi.
I don't have a wee bit doudt on your intellect. It is only that mindset which you have which is blocking your Adaptive capability. I never wanted to hurt you.
Regarding Preceptors
In SRCM way yes what you have got is right.
Guru
Yes GOD is Ultimate what we all need to strive and connect to.
Correction. Representative is not a word It is Spiritual Representative (in direct line of succession- heir as you said) who is the President.
Spiritual Representative is the President. Preceptors are not on one side. and President is not on the other side.
Preceptors are appointed by the President (the Spiritual Representative who is heir.) by saying a 'specific prayer'(which is longer than our Prayer) of which Babuji had given in original to my Father. While giving the same he did ascertain that this is to be passed on to our successors to come.
There is a difference. Representative is like Babuji was to Lalaji but, the difference is as per autobiography Lalaji blessed Babuji that he has modified the system and has reached to such a level that he shall be the ONLY GURU hereon till Mahapralaya (means till the end of world.). hence it is on order of his GURU that he is our GURU and shall remain forever.
Correction Heir does not work through preceptors.
I think it is time that people who do not know what are the changes in System after Babuji's physical demise I will tell you one more thing what Babuji did in 1981-82 which he confided to my father in June '82. The system then was that preceptors used to request Babuji for pwer to be transmitted to Abhyasis. As a result all the goods and evils of the preceptors were passed on to the abhyasis as they becamme the medium through which the power travelled from Ultimate to Babuji to preceptor to Abhyasi.
The change was felt by Babuji that if he does not remain in physical being and moreover this was creating demi-gurus (As some preceptors started misusing these powers to attract Abhyasis to them.) too. He created a power in the cosmic region which would get activated as soon as the prayer is told by a true seeker, having undeterred faith in BAbuji alone. And the abhyasi would receive Transmission.
Now what is preceptor's job. he directs and varies the intensity of the Transmission from this Power to the Abhyasi(s) without his coming in between the Power created by Babuji and his true seeker.
What is spiritual Representatives job. The prayer (which is being transferred to his heir)is being oferred to Babuji to give is used to allow the preceptor to have access to this power for Transmission control purpose only. Apart from this various other super-natural powers possessed by Babuji to be used by him when desired and directed with a humble request and submission to Babuji for Action. No one else can use the super natural powers of the Power created by Babuji.
This power created by Babuji is directly connected to the Ultimate Power that is GOD. Hence without an OK from Babuji the super natural Powers cannot be used.
Moreover we are not here for miracles but, miracles have to be done from time to time if situation demands. My father has successfully used it and there are many examples of the same. But I insist it is not on miracles that we wan't to base our system.
Please this is for all to absorb only. Mull over it and do not question as this is the way we are successfully practising in our in true SRCM group. Abhyasis of Babuji have each and every feeling as it is explained in the system.
I think this solves your problem. Yes If you are a true seeker then the prayer of Babuji offered by a true follower gets him connected to Ultimate through this power.
One more thing I need to clarify is There is no Navel gazing business in our system. If this is followed by someone. This is nothing but Tantrik Vidya in our country. It has nothing to do with Spirituality. It is an effective method to control an individual. we believe and practice that our journey begins from Heart.
I am saying all this because these are the facts disclosed to me and the usage is person dependant and cannot be taken or learnt. It is as per direction of Nature only that we are here using what Babuji has created.
Surat Function if people remenber was a different experience of Transmisiion. This was a test of the power created by Babuji.
Two more answers to questions that are troubling you.
One why did we not take action based on the letter. For your knowledge the letter was given to my father in 1994 by after which we have filed a case in High court. And the observations of Judge clearly states that there is seems to be involvement of Chari in Shri Ram Chandra ji's murder.
Note that soon after the letter was handed over to my father. After about 3 to 4 months Sh. Jahangirdhar also died on the spot at his residence soon after he was given pills in name of medicine by an individual. the individual was beaten in closed room and asked who was behind it he said I can't name him otherwise he will kill me too. Now I am not saying who is behind it and what was the benefit he could have got.
hence our most solid witness of the person who had received the letter was no more to be produced before the court.
Jahangirdhar also conveyed many a secrets that Babuji had confided to him which were fetal for the future of Sahaj Marg.
I did not tell you this stories of Jahangirdarji and my aunty earlier because we have only living proofs i.e. individuals but no document supporting it. Moreover If I name the individuals who knows they will also lead to a similar death.
Thsi is the reason we are requesting the Head of the country for CBI enquiry.
I wanted that these meassges reach the people at large so that they don't fall in a trap. We wan't them to benefit from the real system. I am not against anybody. But, am raising a voice against anybody who is misrepesenting babuji's system to others.
I am happy that more and more people have got onto this blog. I leave the rest to you people whether to keep discussing or do something in real like a lion what babuji desired rather than just talk ill about the people aroundor question them. Act dont just discuss and talk. join us only if you are a true seeker not an imposter. We are tired of them. Plaese pardon for God Sake now.
Rest the net will speak.
Last but not the least thanks to B and all others for understanding the pains we are facing. Dare to be a party to it not a mere seer.
Regards to all
Navneet
Thursday, March 08, 2007
Testimony by "Old Abhyasi" and JM
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Dear Navneet,
It seems that Chari's group occupied not only Shahjahanpur ashram, but also Raichur ashram, after the death of senior full preceptor Raghavendra Rao. Do you know something about that ?
We also received this comment from an Anonymous JM :"I'm sorry, but this is all revisionist history.
The nomination letter proclaiming P. Rajagolpalachari was witnessed by Don Saborin and Sister Kasturi, who already made this known to the working committee and to the courts, after Babuji's death.
In addition, there was no mention of Umesh succeeding at that time. The family first proposed Babuji's elder son Prakash and then, his grandson Charad, who backed off, admitting the falsification.
In addition, Babuji told me directly in Munich Germany, in 1980, that he was turning over the work of the mission to Parthasarthi, which converstation I also made available to the courts,
Please look to your hearts before spreading these dis-informations, or at least provide my above references to all who have received your mailings.
Yours in the service to our Master;
JM"
Regards
Alexis-
Respected Alexis
Yes it is true that soon after death of Sh. Raghvendra Rao ji Chari's Aides headed by Sh. A.P. Dorai who is a retired police official took over the Raichur ashram. The fact is known to us.
You received a message from JM stating the following:
"The nomination letter proclaiming P. Rajagolpalachari was witnessed by Don Saborin and Sister Kasturi, who already made this known to the working committee and to the courts, after Babuji's death"
It is astonishing of how people tell such a big lie We were suspecting that Babuji's signs were taken by accident but this statement now proves that Chari's letter is surely forged and there now surely seems a to be a plot laid by all three and may be includes JM.
Wait before anybody gets angry on this I have personally seen one more letter with Umeshbhai. Photocopy of whic which I will give to Navneet to put on their internet site which proves that DON was not in India around the date of the Nomination. I have seen one letter written to Sister Kasturi ji by Babuji in the year 1982 in which he has written to her that he has already nominated somebody as his successor and strangely that letter does not talk of anything else and it does not talk about name of the successor also. Even this is not on internet.
If Ss Kasturi had witnessed Babuji giving letter to Sh. Chari way back in 1974. The following questions need an honest logical common sense answer from JM.
1) Babuji writes to Chari about a person not being in India 4 days before giving the so called nomination to Chari and he also tells about Don's programme in the letter to Chari and as per Don he is present at the time of Nomination !!!!!!!
2) If Ss Kasturi had witnessed Babuji signing the giving the letter to Chari then why did Babuji have to tell Ss Kasturi ji in 1982 about his nominating a successor. If she was present she should have known it and neither Babuji had to tell her after so many years that he has done a nomination.
3) It is sorry state of affairs how people just talk of their hat. How do people say they have told to working committee. Kindly ask the gentleman if the working committee he is talking about took place at the birth place of SRCM in Shahjahanpur or not. Answer is NO. There was a working committe meeting held by Chari in Hyderabad where these individuals stated. This was after the Working Committee at the headquarters rejected his claim. Ask Sh. JM had Don & Ss Kasturi ever attended a working committee meeting after Babuji's pghysical demise at Shahjahanpur. My Uncle was present in the meeting. Again Answer is NO again.
4) it is something like I wan't to be made president of a society so I collect some members ask them to make me President sitting at my house. (make a dissidents group, which is quite common in Indian politics) and then start claiming Presidentship of the Society without even going to Society Headquarters.
5) Now about courts. Sh.JM can you please provide one prrof that Don has attended court and that Ss. Kasturi has attended court.
I thing we should talk on facts not statements. I can show you proof of whatever I have told or can ask Navneet to show the same to you.
Alexis One more thing I would like to tell you. Just before going to Paris Babuji did actually say to his Daughter the following. I was present there 'I wan't to go to Police station, someone take me to the Police Station and file a complaint." She asked "what is it Babuji" He said "somebody is going to murder me. Will police accept my complaint beforehand." She replied " Babuji who can murder you. Everybody loves you." Babuji's reply was "No take me to Police" But Alas Babuji was not taken to police for registering his FIR. There are proofs still alive here in India who had witnesseth this and have presented in affadavit to the High Court in India.
This is one of the main reason why we consider Babuji's last letter also true in complete sense. Technically too common sense states that Electronic Typewriter being absent in India proves that letter was written somewhere in advanced country. Babuji was in Paris as you know. 4d-Don states that Babuji was not in position to write. But he dictated and did not write He only did corrections. If Mr. 4d-Don touches his heart that it is true to compelte sense if he was present in Paris all the time around Babuji. You all must be knowing Brother KV Reddy ji who was the Overseas Secretary during time of Babuji ask him. He was one who made all arrangements. Ask him what happened. There were 16 Indians there ask 3 Indians whom Babuji shared some part that is written in the letter. I have personally discussed with some.
Regarding Minutes of Meeting which will clarify all other claims of Sh. JM ji and his Chariji. I shall provide one original copy to Navneet to soon be put on internet for all to understand how much to believe in JM's statement.
Mr. JM if I am not wrong you are very close to Chari ji and were main person propogating Chari in Europe soon after death of Babuji. Every body in India Know how much Babuji talked to you about such subjects as to others. On what pretext the statement was passed to you and when. It was not for Presidentship. If you remember now. I hope by now you would have understood that I have Identified you. Ji... M.t..s. You too have met me before don't try and recognize me as I was very young that time.
Alexis I am saying with all proofs seen by me with my own eyes, which I know must have been submitted to courts by now by Navneet group.
Moreover I would now just ask you one simple question If Chariji was so confident on his being President. why did he start another SRCMTm later in late 90s. Why did he make other Organizations and not be accepted in India. You people who are staying abroad and are not of Babuji's time don't know the image of his Aides in India. We are suffering by not going my Babuji's gift to us that is Shahjahanpur Ashram. Can a true successor be surrounded by such people. He does not even have the eyes to identify them how will he show the way to others.!!!! Or may be is a politician or a underworld white collared Don trying to build group of his own as it happens in India.
I think you can ask JM to produce evidence in whatever form on written proof with Babuji's sign or handwriting to support his claims and put the same on net and then talk about it. Rather than just passing statements without proof.
Regards
A old Abhyasi -
Respected old abhyasi,
I want to thank you for your answer. The comment of JM was posted on Elodie's blog (http://pourquevivelesahajmarg.blogspot.com). I don't know this anonymous JM, I can't contact him. I hope he will read your answer and accept to exchange with all of us.
I would like to say (for me who didn't have the luck to meet Babuji) that history of Sahaj Marg appears more and more complex, with a lot of manipulations.
If the people who live in these times didn't explain WITH ALL PROOFS what happened in these dark times after Physical Veiling of Babuji, how could I have confidence ? How people like me could have confidence ?
There were great men and women at this 'Working Committee'. Who are they ? What are their testimonies ?
And the minutes ?
You say another working committee was created by Chari after...
Where are the facts ?We need facts, not only anonymous talks that Chari is the president or that this was Umeshchandra Saxena or SP Srivastava, or another one...
I hope someone will be help us to understand
Regards
Alexis
PS : I will make a copy of your answer on all blogs (Elodie, mine, ...)
Wednesday, March 07, 2007
Exchange with Navneet Kumar with Christian, Alexis et al
Exchange with Navneet by Christian, Alexis and others on Tell Me Truth India Blog:
http://tmtindia.blogspot.com/2007/01/justice-should-be-for-all-not-only-for.html
The Truth will set us Free
http://tmtindia.blogspot.com/2007/01/justice-should-be-for-all-not-only-for.html
The Truth will set us Free
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Dear Navneet,
You said you have a copy of minutes of General Body nomination of Shri Umesh Chandra Saxena in 1984 February the 7.
I think it would be a good idea to publish them on your website, with the other letters.
Just 2 questions :
- What was the role of SP Srivastava between 1983 and 1994 ? Who were in the General Body in 1984 ?
- You didn't tell anything about the circumstances of unnatural death of your father. Could you tell us a little bit more ?
Thanks a lot
Alexis Mielkarski -
Dear Alexis Mielkarski
If you see the last letter of Babuji it clarifies the role of Dr S.P. Srivastava and other 3 people. As my father was instructed not to actively involve till the true disciple only stay in this mission with him to avoid the repetation of history.
Hence Dr. S.P. Srivastava was heading the society as President so that the dispute could be solved and Chari stops his claim. It is only in 1987 when Chari again got up and attacked the Ashram with few of his followers asking to make him the President. the then ADministrative Authorities asked him to leve the town within 15 minutes and Section 398 was put on him and was barred from entring the district boundaries. Copy of the same is also with us. He has never again attemted to visit Shahjahanpur since then.
As far as my father's death is concerned. He was hale & hearty and we were busy with my younger brother's marriage celebrations.
He just had tea in the Ashram given by one of our disciples. felt uneasy and vomitted blood. he tried to control himself and the doctor was called. He said it is case of poison in blood. but he recovered by next morning and the doctor advised him to take a bottle of blood when he reaches Delhi.
He attended the engagement ceremony of my brother on the next day. He was walking but slightly weak because of loss of blood.
We came to Delhi and in the morning at 9:30 AM we took him to a hospital for a bottle of blood. The doctor gave Anaesthesia to him. We objected to it stating that for giving blood we don't give Anaesthesia. Doctor asked nurse to to push my mother out of the room. My father was talking just before the anaesthesia.
At 3:00 PM we came to know that my father had expired. Best part is I did not give this news to my motherfor about 1/2 hour but I received a call from Shahjahanpur that one of Chari's close aid in Shahjahanpur has rung the ashram and said that Sh. Umesh Chandra is no more.
I wondered that his news of death was known only to the doctor, nuse and me how could the news travel to Chari's camp. Later when I broke the news to my mother she cried saying that Chari has succeeded in killing him. When I asked for detail later came to know that about 15 days back one person had overheard Chari's now Secretary saying that we will have to first kill Umesh then his youngest son. because he is an advocate. He also said that they were talking of some doctor who would help them. My father took it lightly.
After relieving my father. The doctor was asked to do postmortem he refused stating no post mortem can be done. Take the body away. My mother was crying too much so we took the body back to our home.
To our surprise Chari's aides were there at our house within 1 hr of our bringing my father's body. When no one has any contacts or even meet them ever.
When we asked the doctor to give a certificate about his death. The doctor writes he was brought to the hospital with no pulse. How can a man go by lift after walking and sitting Chair after Doctor asked him to sit and tell doctor that he just needs a bottle of blood fast so that he could go back home and answers to doctor that he is just feeling weak and will go back home and be alright.
We then ask the hospital to give records of what was the treatment given to my father for just abour 4 hours that he died even when came walking. The Hospital staff refused to hand over the file to us. Which should be given to us as per law.
We later tried to enquire through a doctor to see the file inside the hospital and tell us about the treatment. Doctor of that hospital said that that particular file is not there all other file copies are there. he also said that he had enquired about it from others. he was told that you will not get that particular file. Dont talk about it till things settle.
Hope now every thing is clear. None of the above incident is manipulated it is a true story but nobody pays heed because of money, and Administrative powers etc. supporting him.
Regards
Navneet -
Dear Navneet,
Do you know under what circumstances Shri Parthasarathi Rajagopalachari obtained the ring (which had several different stones) which Babuji customarily wore?
Thank you. J. -
Dear J
I don't know. But I just know one thing that the rings which Babuji wore were all distributed amongst his sons not Chari. Iwas present in Shahjahanpur when Babuji's Trunk & Box was opened.
It doesn't deter from the fact above.
Regards
Navneet -
Hi Navneet,
I'm Christian, you probably know me from my discussions about SRCMtm and Chari, on diverse blogs and from my own blog.
Can you tell me something to convince me about you?
I know Br. Narayana who works for Babuji through the ISRC.
Ss. Kasturi has also continued the work alone.
I consider these two persons as highly honnest.
Why are they not working with you?
I have thought about this affair a lot.
When I joined the SRCMtm at the end of the 80s, it happened that I also met dissidents by the same time, and from the begining of my practice, I was being connected to both clans and engaged mentally in this sordid story.
I have a high respect for your Grand-father, though I refuse to approach spirituality with the Indian attitude consisting in devoting to a man, furthermore dead, so long as I have not a direct inner relation built proving that I am not trapped in the play of imaginary and myths created by others, eventually the pathology of others.
No one is to interfere in between.
I was really upset to see how people use Babuji's name to propagate myths about him.
I made it my duty to analyse inconsistencies showing where we are drifting in a myth, where we are in spirituality - which is a mystery in itself.
All of us are trying to cover this mystery with explanations, when Babuji did his best to uncover it and offer it to human kind.
He let a teaching showing us how to uncover this mystery in ourselves to offer it to human kind, and so on.
However, you all try to stop this propagation process by creating an obnubilation of abhyasis on Babuji instead of god's realization.
For me, it is like creating a new religion.
The task I was involved in is difficult, and I received very little help.
It also put me in a difficult situation with people from the ISRC, who do want to believe.
Finally, I decided to let it go, for it has become obvious that no one can go against the flow of history.
A new religion is being forged.
It is probably all humanity could grasp from this new attempt of divinity to actualize itself in our species.
Babuji never wanted him to be deified by people from what I can read in his books, and loved as an idol - did he?
He wanted people to realize god.
He said that religion divides when spirituality unites, but we observe much division in his lineage.
Is it possible that this division results from a manipulation that you attribute to the clan of Chari, but which would involve other organisations?
You say you were poisonned, your father was, and your grand-father was, and there was a murder attempt on your brother's life.
On the other side, Chari says that he was poisoned and he probably fears for his life considering the security around him.
Spiritual people are not murderers, and I do not see Chari being involved in this kind of action.
Who could have interest in doing so?
I am convinced that you are manipulated on both sides or clans, against each other.
My feeling is that the 3 letters you produced on the website of the srcm shahjahanpur are all fakes, including yours.
Have you considered this possibility seriously?
There were surely few ideas or problems in Babuji's teaching causing division in brotherhood and aspiration for power, but it can't be enough to create this mess, or people are completely crazy.
As it seems they are not, as they seem to be sincere, I am now considering another option: manipulation from outside.
Is it something that you already thought about? -
Dear Anonymous (Christian)
As far as you say Br. Narayana and Ss. Kasturi are highly honest. I don't refute the fact completely. As far Ss. Aksturi is concerned she was the one who in India said that Chari is the successor way back in 1984 which created this divide. She was all praises for Chari till late about Year 2000. It is only when Chari's Aides through her belongings out of Vizag Ashram and told her not to come back then she became against Chari.
Later my father met Ss. Kasturi asking her to come back to the original SRCM. She agreed but with a condition that she should be given the same place as that given by Babuji and that she would only then ask her followers to come along with her. My father said that she is welcome but, with a condition that there can be only one GURU and that is Babuji Maharaj and we don't wan't any more divisions in the system hence we would not allow anyone to propogate that they are their abhyasis. An abhyasi of SRCM should be only follower of one guru that is Babuji, which is in line with the orders of his Guru which is clearly mentioned in the Diary written by Babuji. She said that she will think it over.
As far as Br. Narayan is considered. He did meet my father way back in the late 90's and agred to support us then once the Supreme Court decides. I don't know his stance as of now.
I can only say that I am acting as per the wish of my master that he shall remain the only MAster till the end and I am no Guru. But, surely can make you feel the same transmission (which I hope you consider or have felt by now and is the synonimity of basis of spiritual elevation.) which was felt, during Babuji's time. Only experience proves.
Once again, Only experience of the true spiritual transmission is a test of presence. People following Babuji even after his physical demise know the best as to how they have had the feelings and presence of babuji. There is a saying in India that You can't tell the taste of anything unless you have tasted one.
It is only your materialistic approach which is making you think that you can't devote to man who is death. You are proving that all your forefathers wasted their time in Church, and you are saying against all spiritual & religious leaders which is false. Do not take this as an explanation that we are creating a religion. No we are not and we do agree that religion divides and spirituality unites.
The path of spirituality you also agree was given by Babuji in SRCM for the benefit of mankind. So what is wrong in abiding by his path and stating that he is the GURU and person who has shown us the path. As Prophet Mohammed had shown for a religion and as Gautam Buddha ji had shown for Budhism.
I hope that you will understand the above explanation if you are whee bit spiritual and understand that Life and death are materialistic and spirituality never dies. Hence the person who has shown us this path of spirituality too always remains a Guru. Even if you were truly devoted to Babuji's path you shouldn't have questioned his and his master's directions as a true seeker.
It does not matter to us whether you decide to take the right path or not. We are only doing our duty to guide people to the right & wrong and they are to decide their own fate.
I really don't know of the inconsistencies you are talking about may be these are there because you have still not completely got associated with the true follower who till date only believes in Babuji and his teachings. It may have cropped up because of your you have still not decided to follow a path and are detouring from the first principle of spirituality i.e. think from your heart not your mind. heart is the centre of spirituality. the moment yo start questioning and thinking here and there there is lack of faith in one particular path. Which is the root cause of all this misappropriations of your mind.
We still say follow what Babuji laid down and taught and practice what you are supposed to for your personal spiritual upliftment.
Please make sure that all the explanation is not to forge a new religion but to forge that all human irerespective of their religion, caste, creed, colour and sex have to follw the spiritual upliftment for their progress.
You have also misunderstood tha division in his lineage. Let me clear that we are against the divisions and we still say that Babuji is the oonly GURU and shall remain till the end of this world. Hence we are against anybody calling himself or herself as Master or a Sub-Guru aor demi-Guru. We are also preaching undivided SRCM who believe in only one GURU the founder alone.
Now the question of murder and last letters of Babuji being fake. You have joined in late 80s We also confirmed on various facts written in the last letter. If there are people around you who had attended the Paris function Ask them if it is false that Chari was proclaiming to be next president. Note same has been written in the letter. The letter also has corrections by hand. Babuji, i know you would not know had a peculiarity in his handwriting which is clearly evident from the letter.
As far as the letter of Nomination of my father and his sons is concerned try and connect the last letter with it and try and compare the words so written in the letters. Also do not forget the fact that Babuji never wrote anything about the mission without his Guru's name and directions too. Also do not forget that Babuji used to work in court and a person adept with law will always write in legal accent which the letter of my father's nomination clearly depicts. And the third letter we are saying is a forged one by Chari and am with you. as the content are no one near to the above stated facts.
If Babuji is gone physically, so does his son and his grandsons opposing Chari then no one opposes Chari as President. Is this reason not good enough to remain a GURU for Chari. But fact remains that when there are no takers as per the constitution and bye laws of the Trust it stands dissolved as per law. It will also not go in hands of culprits. I know my life is in Danger by writing all this but I don't want to budge away from the world like a hyena (who attacks and plays tactics) but wan't to die a lion's death.
Chari's poisoning is all crap. he has not stayed in Ashram after Babuji's funeral. Now it is more than 20 years now. He is trying to take sympathy after we put forward this last letter of Babuji. and in this shelter he and is his aides are playing all the games. You will not believe it because none of your family mambers have faced death in this fashion.
Do not forget that any society or organization works by Byelaws and rules laid down in the constitution. Which was laid down Way back in 1945 when I suppose no one of you or for instance even me were the followers of Babuji. It is very clear in it that as per Section 3a & 4b of the same President has to be in Direct line of succession only. At that time and even todat direct line of succession means genetic son and then his son.
Have ever considered that Spirituality is science. You also would agree that we are made of particles and electrons too. which align in aparticular direction. Transmission is magnetic in nature as it is a flow of energy. It is this energy which aligns us towards spiritual goal. Now when Babuji established this mission and was the one who gave the system for others to follow. He had his particles and electrons always aligned to spirituality.
rest is for you people to analyze as to who is the best representative of such a being. This fact has been aptly told by his Guru in his diaries. You just need to correlate things with science of spirituality.
There is saying. that A cat closes his eyes and drinks milk thinking that no one is seeing it drink. but the fact will remain that the milk has been drunk. So if you don't believe on the facts it is your problem not the world around.
Rest is for you to decide from Heart not your Head.
Regards
Navneet -
Dear Navneet,
- I understand your anger if Chari's group is responsible for all you said.
But, much of us weren't in the SRCM in 1983-84, it makes a long time. Like you say , Kasturi was for Chari at this time. KC Narayana said us that the letter of your father was a forgery. He said Chari was president but not spiritual representative.
All these people are serious. Who to believe ?
For understanding and choose, the history of facts should be known, all the history must be known. I thus think that it would be necessary to publish the copy of the minutes of the decision and the list of people who took part of it.
I'm really sad for all of your family.
Regards
Alexis-
"Only experience of the true spiritual transmission is a test of presence."
Presence of what? A ghost? Or god?
I'm sorry to be provocative, but even your Grand-Father would have said that the true master is one and one only, and it is god.
What you say can only be a forgery, which author is not Babuji.
"It is only your materialistic approach which is making you think that you can't devote to man who is death."
You meant: "It is only your materialistic approach which is making you think that you can't devote to man".
Actually, because my approach is not materialistic, I am not looking to devote to man, but to god.
This is where I had a problem with Chari, and this is where I have a problem with Babuji's followers.
I do not know if you are conscious of this fact, but you are closing the doors to people like me.
Didn't Babuji showed the way to god? Did he showed the way to idolatry for himself?
If it was so, it would be completely inconsistent with what he said concerning Indian gurus.
"So what is wrong in abiding by his path and stating that he is the GURU and person who has shown us the path."
Absolutely nothing, and I never said anything against this fact.
I said that I was feeling very uncomfortable with the power sickness of the ones and the others, whether they look power for themselves openly as Chari, or more indirectly as those claiming that Babuji is god.
He was absolutely honest by saying that no one can usurpate this position.
"Hence the person who has shown us this path of spirituality too always remains a Guru."
Why not?
He came to show a living path, not to add one more religion to the burdened humanity.
Therefore, he could never whish this.
Only those who wanted to use his name to get a power position have interest in this.
I may be wrong, as everyone, but after thinking again and again, I could find no other conclusion, and after reading you, I have no information to see things differently.
If it is to place Babuji at the position of god, why not to consider god directly?
If it is to get a guide, even Babuji said that we need an incarnated guide, and he explained why.
However he is dead now, and as we have seen since then, every body has taken a different position, making the deads say and order what was in agreement with the point of view of the ones and the others.
Finally, it resulted in division, implying that either the dead who gives orders from above is inconsistent, or that those who claim to receive orders from above are impostors taking their imaginary as intercommunications.
"Even if you were truly devoted to Babuji's path you shouldn't have questioned his and his master's directions as a true seeker."
I don't know how many times I have heard that.
This is manipulative and dishonest.
I can understand that you may whish to take mental control over me, but this is highly materialistic behavior, isn't it?
Furthermore, it is not bringing any answer to my questions, nor helping me to reach god.
It just means: you want to prove that you are a spiritual aspirant? Shut up.
"It does not matter to us whether you decide to take the right path or not."
Possibly because you do not know what love is?
Otherwise you would feel concerned.
"We are only doing our duty to guide people to the right & wrong and they are to decide their own fate."
To guide?
If only I was sure it is not to misguide, as I have experienced with your colleague Chari, I would be more confident in Indian gurus and would accept their supervision more easily.
But as soon as we start asking questions, we only discover their ignorance and the protective reaction is always the same.
This is a sad state.
"think from your heart not your mind. heart is the centre of spirituality."
I do not think it is possible to think with the heart.
As you say, heart is the center of spirituality, not of thought.
Maybe you mean: feel with your heart?
Which would be ok.
Or Indian people and Occidental use different centers for doing the same?
"the moment yo start questioning and thinking here and there there is lack of faith in one particular path."
Faith is only for god.
A path is a path, i.e. a way to god, and following it only implies the need to have faith in god.
If I was not faithful, I would still be in the SRCMtm following the "path" stupidly.
Stupidly, that's it, so that the "gurus" are never confronted to their ignorance by their stupid followers.
"We still say follow what Babuji laid down and taught and practice what you are supposed to for your personal spiritual upliftment."
I do.
"You have also misunderstood tha division in his lineage. Let me clear that we are against the divisions and we still say that Babuji is the oonly GURU and shall remain till the end of this world. Hence we are against anybody calling himself or herself as Master or a Sub-Guru aor demi-Guru. We are also preaching undivided SRCM who believe in only one GURU the founder alone."
I have understood your point of view, and explained mine above.
By making these statements, you have made an attempt to stop the flow of Nature.
That is why division is arising, as a rock in the the river will divide its flow, and in its time finally be dissolved through ages, or taken away by the flow of the river.
You are reducing Babuji's teaching to the flow of the river, trying to control it, when Babuji's teaching was concerned with water, whatever its form.
"Ask them if it is false that Chari was proclaiming to be next president. Note same has been written in the letter. The letter also has corrections by hand. Babuji, i know you would not know had a peculiarity in his handwriting which is clearly evident from the letter."
Let's suppose it is the case.
It means that Chari has killed his beloved according to you.
But isn't it possible that someone took advantage of the situation and used Chari's greed for social power to cover his crime?
"Also do not forget the fact that Babuji never wrote anything about the mission without his Guru's name and directions too."
I agree with you.
"do not forget that Babuji used to work in court and a person adept with law will always write in legal accent which the letter of my father's nomination clearly depicts."
However, it is not the way he wrote his spiritual journal or his books.
Linking this to your precedent quote, I think that the secret letter is a fake.
Lalaji was everything for your Grand-Father.
This letter is just revealing a total lack of faith of Babuji in Lalaji and god, and that's why I consider it can't be from him.
Somebody tried to imitate him into something plausible knowing what you have mentionned, resulting in an aberration.
"And the third letter we are saying is a forged one by Chari and am with you. as the content are no one near to the above stated facts."
Yes, this was stupid, but as you know for guiding people in spirituality, the human soul is also dark.
"If Babuji is gone physically, so does his son and his grandsons opposing Chari then no one opposes Chari as President."
Do you mean they will try to kill all those people questionning Chari with blogs?
I have another theory - see below.
"Is this reason not good enough to remain a GURU for Chari."
I ask you to consider it again: who may have a less visible, long term advantage in this fight?
Chari is old and will probably die soon, so this is not a good argument.
Even Chari might be manipulated, I hope that you have considered this possibility also.
Chari is very badly surrounded.
It is possible that some of his nearest disciples be alleged to another organisation/ideology.
"But fact remains that when there are no takers as per the constitution and bye laws of the Trust it stands dissolved as per law."
This is possibly what they want.
Babuji's teaching is not preserved intact anymore with Chari, who has already adapted it and drifted it.
This causes its failure, and it is enough to keep the SRCMtm alive.
Indeed, his SRCM is not really a menace anymore, for it is misleading people now.
What if?
What if god was a secret not to be revealed to human kind?
Do you think that secret societies would let the secret of god flow out of their control, eventually resulting in making humankind awake and conscious?
This could endanger the globalized organisation they are building since centuries, if not millenia, using religions as a tool for spreading their agenda.
By claiming what your Grand-Father claimed and tried to reveal it to the world in the beginning of the 70s, your Grand-Father came to play in the garden of the powerful guys, and surely, he paid for this.
Consider when the murder attempts on him did started.
My life may also be in danger for writting this, and you have to pray and pray that reality be revealed to you, for it is surely far more complicated than it seems to be.
Powerful people control the world and they may consider the teaching of your Grand-Father as an artefact in their plan.
If Chari did what he did, knowing how rotten the world is, having the SRCMtm drift as it did, he might have done this to protect the people he loved from being murdered.
What if he plays the rules that were imposed to him as if he was ignoring everything, to save what can be?
Consider this possibility seriously.
I was very upset after Chari when I resigned last year, but since, I reconsidered what I felt coming from him by that moment.
I first interpreted it as fear of being exposed, but now I understand that he also has a tremendous pression coming from elsewhere.
He may not do what he wants, but keep it a secret and just let people target him as if he was the only responsible guy for drifts and murders.
"rest is for you people to analyze as to who is the best representative of such a being."
This contradicts your statement about having Babuji as the only one guru for ever.
"A cat closes his eyes and drinks milk thinking that no one is seeing it drink."
My point of view is that the cat enjoys his milk, therefore closes his eyes.
This saying is clearly anthropocentrism, giving to the cat thoughts that he can't have.
This is imaginary.
Spirituality can't be imaginary, but the teaching of these so-called gurus is usually mixing both, resulting into a crap.
"So if you don't believe on the facts it is your problem not the world around."
One is to believe in god only, not in facts.
Facts are what they are, and I try to see them as they really are, instead of fitting them to my imaginary as most of people do.
Navneet, I am sorry for what your familly has been through and continues to undergo.
I whish you good things.
Thanks for this discussion.
Christian -
Dear Christian
It is sad to note that you did not take my letter in a true essence and spirit. Maybe I thought you were of the know how of what real transmission was at the time of Babuji. In your first para you have started with Ghost and God. I never meant what you feel in the transmission I only meant that the intensity and the subtleness of transmission which was present during Babuji's era is still felt by people with us. who had been associated since Babuji's physical presence.
Moreover, My Grandfather grandfather was clear of the of the differences between Master and God. And it is sorry to note that you have still not gathered the meanining of the master Master is just a Guide to take you to the path of God realization by showing a path towards the god. He also considered Lalaji as his master and not God as his master even after lalaji's physical demise.
Word devoted does not only mean being devoted to god alone. We use the word devoted followers isn't it. What does it connote does it connote only to GOD or does it also convey being devoted to GURU. I don't know how much you will buy this statement 'As a human you should first learn to be devoted to a human who is showing you the path of devotion to the Ulltimate.' Only then you can be a true devotee. If you known of a path directly to God and have direct interface with God like a physical being (what you desire)with no one to guide you. Then you would surely opt for that.
On Question which you may think over is "Is God Physically present and living to show you a path towards him." then why talk about Living Master too, You have his path, his teachings and the directions given by him to follow to reach the Ultimate isn't it. You may feel that I am trying to provocate you. No I am not I am still trying to answer you even after all the words you have used in your past two messages.
I never ever said that you take Babuji as God and Goal neither did babuji ever say so, but I personally have never seen God, but I have seen Babuji only, who has shown us the path. hence I am devoted to him as my Master who has shown me the path of GOD. Unless I don't have full faith and devotion in my Master how can I have devotion to that GOD.
Neither did I have written nor I mean that we place Babuji in place of GOD. But, I still say that we need to imbibe his characteristics of love, faith and devotion to his Master after which he could achieve GOD. Note that his Master was also not Physically present during his lifetime, esp. after forming this Trust, Shri Ram Chandra Mission.
No where is it written that a Spiritual Representative is a GURU. Yes in Diaries of Babuji it is clearly written that you shall be the only Master for times to come because of you work in this field of spirituality. Hence please do not construe that I an a spiritual Aspirant for GURU but yes I am a spiritual spirant like any other person but with a purpose so ordered by my Master, Babuji. You have grossly misunderstood the statement and has overanalyzed it. Maybe, this is uprooting from the fact that all are calling themselves as Guru of Living Master.
Babuji said Give me a chance to serve you. If you feel to continue continue. here too Babuji never insisted anyone to be his disciple and follow his given path. So who are we. Only mistake that may be I have done is to be a bit upright in saying "It does not matter to us whether you decide to take the right path or not. We are only doing our duty to guide people to the right & wrong and they are to decide their own fate."
It just meant that we are trying to tell you some of the facts which are known to us and are a cause of divide and path here does not mean spiritual Path. But means the right spiritual path. Babuji's followers path or Chari's SRCM TM or say ISRC or Ss Kasturi.
I hope you have understood right or wrong. Here as you told in your comment earlier to follow the true master i.e. God. Similarly follow Babuji (the founder of the system) or imposters is the key question.
Moreover Had I not been thinking of people around the world for their betterment, I would have contacted the world through this blog and nor would have answered to you even after you have used words like 'Shut up', imposter, forged for us. It feels bad when you try to be true to world but, the world is such that it never understands your feeling and trueness but always retaliates as you did. in last two messages.
I hope by now you might have realized and may perhaps be convinced that Faith is not only for GOD but also for the Master first as he is the one who has shown you the path of God irrespective of the fact that he is physically dead or alive. Like a mother will always be a mother till you breathe last, A guru shall always be the one who has shown you the ray of path to God realization. If you are not conviv\nced please do not react now take time to think over it and then reply.
To be on path of spirituality you should first be a good human to respect others esp. I never trusted words like 'Shut up' can be used for someone from his family. Then what is the difference between you and Chari. He also said in one of his statement. earlier during babuji's lifetime openly in front of many that BAbuji has gone mad. Please read the Autobiography of Babuji if you have the right version. he has stated very clearly. that even a dog of my Guru's house has to be given all respect.
One of the most important teavchings and basis of babuji is that you have to achieve spirituality even after living your material life. He has also written that Spirituality and materialism are the two wings of the bird and a balance has to be maintained.
Have you seen the society bye laws of Shri Ram Chandra Mission registered with the Registrar of Societies. For your information Most of the byelaws of our society had been written and redrafted by Babuji MAharaj himself. I hope you will appreciate that any Memoradum of a company or a society is a legal document written in legal language.
So when a person can write in legal language and when he is giving a nomination of a society which is legal entity he will have to write in a legal language.
Where is it written that a lawyer cannot write poetry or about sprituality or where is it that a doctor cannot understand or write about any occult sciences. For intsnce are you earning through spirituality or am I earning through spirituality . NO let it be sure neither of us are earning our bread and butter through spirituality. I am a Management Consultant since over 12 years now.
Understand from the saying of Babuji mentioned above you have to create a balance and man leads both life simultaneously spiritiual and material.
Lastly Facts are not for identifying a spiritual path but to make clear that in name of Babuji there are many a claimants but the facts only clarify that Babuji did not want it the way it is now.
Regards
Navneet -
Hi Navneet,
Thanks for your reply.
I have to clarify a point.
English is not my first language, and I see while reading you that it is not yours either.
When I wrote in my previous message "It just means: you want to prove that you are a spiritual aspirant? Shut up.", the "Shut up" was not some injunction addressed to you.
I was describing or analysing the implicit meaning of what you were saying to me.
It means that "shut up" is the sense of your previous message, for no questions have to be asked, just devotion, blindly and stupidly.
I'm not Indian, and I think that it is the main reason why it is difficult for me to understand the points you are all making as Babuji's followers.
The Indian mind is built on the religious background that prevails in your society.
I come from the west where the mind is built on another approach of reality, mainly questionning and validating step by step.
I have been confident once in an Indian guy that you know well, and this just resulted in messing my life completely.
So don't ask me to fall a second time.
Faith is something deep that drives life, not a mere thought that I could have in the surface of my mind.
Even if the Sahaj Marg was slamming the door to my face, this would not prevent me to aspire for god, for I can say that this is the central core of my life.
Let me explain how I understand the meaning of your message and you will tell me if I received it correctly.
Babuji was the person that created a synthesis of different spiritual paths, resulting in the Sahaj Marg system.
You consider him as the guide in this path because he is its founder.
His goal was to guide people to god, and you accept that god is the goal, not Babuji.
He has left behind, as part of the system, trained people to guide aspirants and make technical aspects like transmission available as a part of the path.
The goal of the path is also to preserve itself, therefore to create people able to transmit its technical aspects to the next generation.
My point is:
(1) my goal is god and he is the one whom I devote my life to
(2) my guide is the one who helps me reach this goal, i.e. a living trainer.
You admit that the living trainer is an essential point, otherwise there is no need of a path like Sahaj Marg: who would apply the technics?
Just devoting to Babuji would be enough and he would take care of everything from above - but it is not the case.
I spent some time without accessing to the services of a preceptor, and I may say from that experience that neither god, nor Babuji, helped me.
This is probably why Babuji was not taking Mahommet or Krishna or god as guides, but a living trainer.
This position does not put aside any respect and consideration for Babuji as the creator of this path.
All the analyses and criticisms I make when doing this work of uncovering reality from all the crapy imaginary that everyone has covered events with, is to try to bring back good sense so that the path to god becomes straight again, and not subjected to conditional devotion and idolatry to a person.
However, stating this is disturbing believers a lot.
When I say "good sense", people reply "dogma".
When I ask "spirituality" or "god", people answer "belief", "devotion", and "religion".
It seems impossible to have a rationale discussion with "disciples".
I know my questions are embarassing.
I also know my questions are good.
And I know why nobody hear them and take the time to go deep in them.
It is very sad because they drive to truth.
I wanted to clarify these points before eventually going further in the discussion, and I also hope it helps to break some prejudices.
I am sure that none of you understand my point of view.
For you, it is not conceivable to approach spirituality that way.
However, if spirituality is an approach of the reality, as your Grand-Father taught, it cannot be through dogma and imaginary.
I will continue to think about your last post.
Concerning the documents you are referring me to (Babuji's writtings), I surely have not the correct versions.
Can you mind some way to provide me these documents?
Finally, you did not react to the suggestion I was giving.
You may think about the idea of a manipulation of the clans to mask criminal activities of which none of you is responsible.
By the way, has Chari visited your ashram since "they" took it, and are you sure that it was stolen by the SRCMtm?
Kind regards - Christian -
Dear Chritian
You have got things right now. Now to your question of living trainer. Yes it is important to keep the system alive through a live trainer. That is the reason why Babuji has appointed his spiritual representative. Spiritual representative means only as the word suggests representing some one. It does not mean replacing the person. Hence we say GURU cannot be replaced.
Spiritual Representative works with is team of Preceptors which are the trainers appointed by them. hence living Trainers are essential but not to be considered GURU. I hope the word Spiritual representative used till date by all loosely is clear by now.
Had there been a chance of GURU succeeding Babuji. Babuji in his Memorandum of society or in his books would have somewhere written about subsequent Gurus's and not representative only.
Yes, Ido agree that there is a chance that all criminal Activities taking place are by some people close to Chari but I cannot rule out his involvement completely. Because if he was true and not anywhere involved would have had the courtesy to say sorry on their behalf and would have asked them not to continue such activities further. Put yourself in his shoes. When you have come to know of activities done by your people, which you feel is wrong and if you are a good man you will not think twice in saying sorry for the same and also wouldn't you ask your people to stop carrying out such activities against your GURU's family.
Moreover, One more reality which came to us after the death of my Father is that there was a sister and brother who had come to my father stating that their father is an old abhyasi from Babuji's time and they would like to contribute in running of the Mission like his son & daughter would do. My father agreed and they were working since over 10 years. Even during my marriage things given to sisters of groom coming from the brides house was given to this female. My father also got dresses stitched for the two as he got stitched for my brothers during my marriage.
But, just after my father's death one of my brothers school mate met him, when my brother told about my father was President of SRCM at Shahjahanpur and died recently he then stated that he is following SRCMTm of Chari recalled that while he was in Hyderabad and went to pay a visit Chari with his parents about 5 months before my fathers death. He had seen one male and female coming from Shahjahanpur and when Chari was told about it he left the gathering for sometime and took them to a room nearby. This friend of my brother described the appearance of both male & female who had come.
My brother is given tea on the 14th Movember 2003 (about 11 days after my fathers death soon after accident of my brother in night) by this male which, my brother forgets to drink and in the morning one of our abhyasis find that the tea has turned blue and throws away the tea. Mind you the tea which my father drank 4 days before leaving his physical body and vomitted blood was also given by this male.
We got suspicious about the two. We also had seen a remarkable difference in approach of the two over the last few years. Later we found misappropriations done by the Male & female brother & sister.
Ths incident clearly states that Chari was meeting so called close disciple to my father. who my father considered to be fourth son and daughter.
Now a new message was shouted out by Chari's Secretary while beating my mother and Sh. Amresh Kumar ayear back that the male had poisoned Chari in the AShram.
To our knowledge Chari has not come to Ashram and this boy was only 17 years old in 1992 when he came to us and in 1983 this male would have been on 8 years old and he only came to Ashram with his parents only as a child.
Hence since we don't rake the poison issue before he came up with the new story of poison.
Chari's Aides had forcibly taken the Shahjahanpur Ashram way back in April beginning in last year. Now it is a year and Chari has not visited that ashram till now. (it is about a year now.)
You may decide based on the above incident and a reaction so expected from a good man atleast and moreso proclaimed spiritual man whether it is happening in his know how or not. Moreover if any deed is done by a person of a group the head of the group has to intervene and stop the illdeeds or elae he too seems to be party to the same.
I hoe your questions are answered as of now
Regards
Navneet
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Dear 4d-don
We are told on Elodie's Blog that "Sister" Kasturi Chaturvedi and Dinesh Kumar Saxena, grandson of Lalaji and Owner and Web-Master of the NaqshMuMRa site, are now Preceptors of Chari's SRCMtm, registered in California...can anyone confirm that?
Both had joined Chari as I had said earlier and were in his list. But Kasturi Chaturvedi ji as I said had left him after her belongings were thrown out as said earlier.
As far as Dinesh Kumar Saxena ji is concerned. He too had joined Chari as Chari promised to help him marry his daughter. Which, he did so later on hence he was with him. Now, it seems Dinesh Kumar is separating again.
Dear AB
Your question: “Mr. Navneet Kumar, I am able to imagine what happened in this “closed room”. Can you explain if this is the practical application of your spiritual theory in life?
I just narrated the incident which took place and by the person who was involved in questioning the gentleman who was the tool to Sh. Jahangirdar ji’s death. Moreover, just to bring to your notice that Sh. Jehangirdar ji did tell my father 3-4 months before his death that he knows that he will also die, like Babuji died and that was the reason that he gave the last letter of Babuji to my father during his visit to Shahjahanpur.
Out of his explanations it seems to me stated, too, that Babuji (the special personality) seemed to be unable to find out who tried to make an attempt on his life.
Babuji did know that he attempt was being made on his life. His last letter clearly states so too. He also predicted his long hospitalization, which also was true as we know that Babuji was in Hospital from September soon after coming back from Paris to April 19th 1983 (The day of his Mahasamadhi.
Moreover ,as pointed by A old abhyasi about my Aunty stating Babuji’s request of FIR before leaving to Paris also clearly states that Babuji knew what the future had store for him.
Dear M
Your Question : Is the announcement made by Anonymous on March 17th @ 11.52 pm that in July SRCM name will be changed to "Shri Rajagopala Chari Mission" genuine or some kind of wry joke?
I Agree with you, there are legal implications to it. He may not be allowed to use the same name, logo, neither use funds and properties so gathered on Name of ‘Shri Ram Chandra Mission.’ Or any other organization floated using the funds so gathered from Shri Ram Chandra Mission or Sahaj Marg. Moreso, if we take a stance he cannot publish any material of Babuji also nor use it in future.
Please I am answering this from legal point of view only. We have always conveyed to anybody approaching from his group that he should separate himself from this system given by Babuji Maharaj and open some other body which, solely runs on his name with no connection whatsoever to Shri Ram Chandra Mission or Babuji Maharaj and his Method.
We believe in ONE MASTER, ONE MISSION & ONE METHOD only, where the Master is Babuji alone, following his teachings and method laid down to achieve our spiritual goal of life.
I agree by your and Chritian’s view on opening the so called to "Shri Rajagopala Chari Mission" – NOT PRACTICALLY POSSIBLE.
Dear Aurelius.
Can you clarify this Navneet? Was Chari with Babuji when he died?
As soon as Babuji arrived at Delhi Airport, Chari just left Babuji at the Airport and went to on of Delhi’s Sr Preceptors house and later soon caught his Flight to Chennai.
My father had gone to America for his treatment, after attending the paris function. He came to know of Babuji’s illness and that he had been taken to Hospital. So he cut short his visit returned back, and then remained with Babuji till he was in the hospital.
Chari was not there at the time of Babuji’s death. But, did reach for the funeral where he did not even touch Babuji’s feet but, started holding meetings in the Ashram with his people and asked them to make him the next president even while Babuji’s Funeral was taking place.
Comment dated March 22, 2007 4:54 AM by Anonymous stated below
MICHAEL - From "Heart to Heart" by P. Rajagopalachari(p 272/3)
" But some people persist in addressing me as "Master". I have been annoyed by this practice myself for two or three reasons, you see, for one thing, it has alienated me from a section of the senior abhyasis of my Master who think I have usurped some sort of position to which I am not entitled, into which I have not grown. Some of them even said that I am responsible for my Msster's untimely demise. That is one thing. The second thing is: I have never claimed to be a Master."
Lastly (I don’t know when the book was published but the above statement clearly states that Chari himself knows that allegations of Murder will come up in due course. !!!!!!
As far as the truth of Don being present at the time of Nomination of Chari is concerned. There shall soon be on net a document putforth by Chari himself to support absence of Don at the time of his Nomination.
There is one more document from the horse’s (Chari’s) mouth expected to clarify and help decide the lot of misled true seekers as what they should decide, after all this.
Navneet