Taken and translated from a comment by Alexis on Élodie's blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg.
Inserts and additions by 4d-don are in "red italics"
READ if you dare:
Take your pick. Sahaj Marg has come from "a modified Raja Yoga" (starting at step #7 of the "eighfold path"), to a usurped SUFISM (Lalaji), and now with Chari's Spiritualism, to interventions by either: Aliens(extra-terrestrials), egregores, spirits, New Age agents, Indigo Children, an ELITE, God and the Natural Laws, etc..etc.. etc... (as merrily we go along)
Sahaj Marg is one not-so "unique" APOCALYPTIC MESS!! Or Sahaj Marg(tm) is everything to everyone ... or NOTHING unique or special to ALL ... same old, same old !!
The solution: A New Race of Individuals
Whispers: Decryption (3)
Mankind races to its ruin, divine punishment is coming, it will be the Apocalypse. But a new race (a Master Race??) is on the horizon ...
(Quotes from Whispers From The Brighter World, Sahaj Marg (tm)'s Bible, according to Chari, as channeled by an anonymous French Lady Medium)
"Another race, more resistant and with a strong sense of extrasensory perception, will establish a world that would surprise most men now living. " (02/25/01) -
" A new race of individuals, characterized by a wider perceptions that this one, will open itself to spaces of knowledge much more advanced. There are already legions of them on earth, this gifted precursor race, which will help shatter the intellectual rigor, slowing the evolution of the beings of this world. " (31/10/03)
" Upheavals without name will occur and will have to be produced to clean up this world, leaving a long enough time to emerge finally the chosen (elite?) race, capable of establishing a new world corresponding to the expected standards. (...) A new race is at work (...). " (10/11/03)
" The Received Messages constitute by themselves alone, the single teachings suitable for the elite souls emerging in these times of the advent of a new era. They will be understood, appreciated, and they will become, in our path, a reference point. Minds (spirits?), more and more will open to a reality somewhat surpassing also (by) a little, that of our brothers presently. The future times are being prepared and we will not be left behind. The souls incarnated in this view (optics?) , will seek a teaching which suits them in all respects. Those whom you call the Indigo children will not accomodate outdated concepts. They seek a vibrational niche suitable to the subtlety of their ethereal bodies. Many of these people already live in this world. They struggle to integrate into existing systems, for them devoid of interest most of the time. They arrive at a pivotal time in the history of the world and are different, hence often misunderstood, like everything that can be distinguished from the multitude. These people will gather and unite to recreate an environment which will give them satisfaction. They are pacifists, spiritually evolved, they will go to the point, of course, without hesitation, wisdom, for the most part is innate. A time will come when the number of these people will grow to form an elite regenerating humanity and guiding the less fortunate. Everything is written and wanted thusly. May all be blessed! " (30/06/04)
" As the great sage may address his disciple and give a glimpse of where the treasure is hidden. "Many are called but few are chosen", say the Scriptures. The road is arid, only the strong and determined souls succeed. Sahaj Marg is a path, a means offered for humans who are interested and able to seize the opportunity offered to them, to move forward on this narrow path full of pitfalls. Many succeed. Has it not been given to the world to respond to a profound call characteristic of the times which are being prepared, with a view on a radical transformation? We will be more than ever at the heart of this vast movement, carrier of hope and liberation of a humanity, which is as a prey in the throes of evil. " (30/07/04)
Let us Summarize, paraphrase!
All is not lost. An elite group composed of gifted souls is already at work. Members of the new chosen people on earth are already legion. They are more resistant and they have larger ESP. They are different, so often misunderstood. They are struggling to integrate.
They do not adapt to outdated concepts, they will open up a space for more advanced knowledge, because they have the innate wisdom. They seek a niche suitable for subtle vibration of their ethereal bodies. They are pacifists and spiritually evolved. They help to break the rigor of the intellectual environment. They will unite to form an elite that will regenerate humanity, because they are able to establish a new world. Surprising!
They will become a reference point for all those who follow the path of Sahaj Marg, where they will be understood and appreciated. For Sahaj Marg is at the heart of this movement of hope and liberation. It offers a way for humans to move forward on this narrow road full of pitfalls, where many are called but few are chosen.
"Everything is written and wanted thusly".
Words have meaning!
Let us first stop and examine the language: a new race, an elite of souls will regenerate humanity. The words of whispers are terribly connotations. They recall the dark days of racism and eugenics that have raged in the late 19th and first half of the 20th century.
This is far from trivial, because it would have been possible just as well to say that mankind had not completed its evolution, that it was at work right now, with the development of new spiritual abilities. What the people of Sahaj Marg have already qualified themselves as involutive evolution towards the state invertendo or transpersonal.
But now, instead of using the scientific language of the theory of evolution or the language of the current transpersonal psychology, whispers revives eugenics.
Babuji Judeo-Christian
Man is evil, he runs to his ruin, divine retribution comes, and will unleash cataclysms, it will be the Apocalypse. But in his great goodness, God will save humanity with the new race supported by the SRCM looming on the horizon ... as he allowed Noah's Ark at the heart of the Flood!
The chosen race can not be integrated because they are different, only in Sahaj Marg is it understood and appreciated, because that is where the way of the future is, the way to reach this new race, perhaps even to join. Sahaj Marg is the solution. The Whispers of Babuji borrows all its codes from Judaism and Christianity. It adheres typically to the letter, the Judeo-Christian discourse. It is not surprising when you consider that the medium is French, a Westerner herself nursed from the bottle of a Judeo-Christian culture.
Many are called but few are chosen?
An elite will save the world: there are many called but few are chosen, except that many will succeed. Here we are again faced with one of the many contradictions of Sahaj Marg.
The SRCM is a private club reserved for the elite. Moreover, these messages are addressed to "Members of the brotherhood of man." The road is narrow and full of pitfalls. There are many who are called but few who are chosen. In short, you're lucky to be part of this elite which is not given to everyone, you should feel happy. You are part of the Club ...
Elitism is an attitude which is essential for all groups so as to strengthen the internal cohesion and to make people who are outside want to enter. SRCM cultivates very well with this elitism with its supposedly unique and unparalleled method! Yes, but thanks to the cultivating this sense, it also returns the image of a perfect Master, so far removed from the ordinary abhyasis that it becomes impossible to reach or even to come close. The risk for Chari is that negative behaviors arise when faced with difficulties. The abhyasis should not throw down their arms, renounce or abandon the game. Hence the concession dropped from time to time: a lot succeed ...
"A vibrational niche appropriate to the subtlety of their ethereal bodies"
Enjoy the beauty of the formula! Add a pinch of indigo children to extra-sensory perceptions, and we are plunged in the heart of New Age, deep in the occult and Western esotericism.
The medium of whispers undertook a major rewrite of the dogmatic ideology of Sahaj marg, mixed in Western new age, and it seems very appropriate to Chari. I repeat, the words make sense. Between Judeo-Christianity, racialism (eugenics) and the New age, the personality of the so-called medium re-appears in the reflected lights.
Why does Chari accept this evolution / revolution of Sahaj marg? What are they trying to do? Achieve a Westernization / globalization of the concept?
Sunday, November 27, 2011
See also:
Sahaj Marg(tm) and Whispers: Decryption
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Monday, November 28, 2011
Wednesday, November 16, 2011
Sahaj Marg(tm) and Whispers: Decryption
Taken and translated from comments by Alexis (see here) on Elodie's blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg.
Insertions by 4d-Don are in "red italics"
Read here to see the Sahaj Marg(tm) spiritualist contradictions from beyond the grave... not by a spiritual Master, but by an anonymous French lady MEDIUM ... This, they call their "Bible" and they pay for it by buying a book of these "whispers" every year... one per year for another 12 years according to Chari. The requested "donation"? $150.00 - $250.00 US dollars per book. Where are the "ghost busters" ??
As Sahaj Marg(tm)'s President (Chari) rants against the evils of materialism and the excesses of the abhyasis and of other "infidels", they themselves indulge in the excesses of cancerous growth for their opulent Mission and their own "businesses". And, their imperialist (evangelical) "carbon footprint" is larger than many corporations ... But not to worry, the "ALIENS" (see below) or the "indigo children" will save them (not us??). That is if God does not first intercede directly with "His" (male) natural laws !!
(see below the bolded "satanic plans" and the "alien... power" quotes from WHISPERS attributed to Babuji from the invented "central region" of their fantasy "Brighter World" ... as told by their anonymous French lady Medium)
Is this what is called: "demonizing" your fellow humans, as well as your technocrat children"? Then, with the other side of their spiritualist face, they pretend (imagine?) and dare to call them (and us?) "brothers and sisters"? Is this the "light" or the "LOVE", which Sahaj Marg(tm) transmits to the world? Is this an example of the "HEART", what is in reality a pump, doing the thinking? .. . or, in this case, not "thinking" at all, as it (the heart) can't think? The heart simply pumps. Is this also an example of not using the "brain", which in Sahaj Marg(tm), is busy contacting and communing with "the spirits" of the dead and/or the psychic "egregores", or is busy "demonizing", and certainly not loving or unifying anything??
Are you intelligent guys and gals seriously believing this hate-filled "fiction"?? Whom do you serve in reality??
Are you still defending this so-called "spiritual" (but in reality "spiritualist), practice as something good for US??
Merry Christmas to them too!! As they divide families and societies at their HOLY TIME and anytime !!
May they point at their own STUPIDITY, for a CHANGE!!
Alexis said ...
Whispers: Decryption
Much has been said of "Whispers from the Brighter World". Almost everything has been said about its commercial exploitation. The wildest conjectures have been made on his or her alleged perpetrators.
Now we attach ourselves to its content. It is now six years since the abhyasis began to imbibe daily this New Bible of Sahaj Marg, as described by Chari. It's time to decipher and analyze the content, to know what the SRCM implants in its followers and to better understand the spiritual ideology of Sahaj Marg.
First step in the series:
Man and his punishment
Man races to his ruin, he must pay ... (Below are a series of quotes from "Whispers from the Brighter World", channeled by an anonymous French lady Medium (AFLM))
"(...) mankind is playing with fire, without realizing the adverse consequences for humanity." (29.12.2000) -
" The time of punishment for such arrogance will be manifest in all its power and man, paying for the gross errors of his ancestors, will suffer without being able to control the situation." (28/02/01) -
" Men end up falling into the wildest excesses, then it must be remedied." (11/03/01) -
" Where will stop the cruelty of men? (...) It can go into adulthood, to the excesses that we recognize today and which stem from the collective madness. These acts are served by a high technology, which allows them to develop satanic plans. Everything is good to assuage the hatred and the spirit of revenge that inhabits them. It's a vicious cycle that has no end and will, sooner or later be stopped by a power alien to this planet who (or which, the planet or the people on the planet) will have no other means to stop this dangerous escalation, harmful to the universal equilibrium. The lower instincts of human nature are difficult to counter. The method of power (heavy handed method?) will have to prevail one day (...). "(13/09/01) -
" This planet is arriving at a crucial point where everything has to change regarding the behavior of men, many of which seem to have lost their mind. Humanity is in danger in more ways than one. God, for a majority, remaining for them an abstraction, they consider themselves to be masters of the world, allowed to put it at risk at any price. (...) May the people come to their senses while there is still time." (12/28/03) -
" Let us work for this evolution, time is running out, humanity is in danger in many ways. What emerges from this cesspool will be strengthened and enlightened. " (7/1/04) -
" This civilization is destructive, nothing seems to be able to stop it in this world, divine laws, and they alone, will be able to remedy. " (7/3/04) -
" This civilization is going too far in its prerogatives and endangers an entire balance, regardless of the consequences. (...) May humanity react in time so as to limit the destructive phenomenon! " (15/07/04) -
"Humanity is living dangerously, ignoring the warnings given to it. A reality check would be needed here too, but a consumer frenzy has seized mankind, ignoring any and all warnings on the subject. Everything in modern civilization is contributing to its perdition; the cries of alarm from the experts, not having been heard while there was still time, the inevitable will happen. Respect for nature, of life in all its forms is a concept that man for too long has neglected. He must face the consequences. God's laws are inflexible: they operate on their own, also." (11/09/04) -
"The movement is irreversible; nothing will stop the frenzy down here to pollute and destroy under the pretext of modernizing and producing on a large scale. Sooner or later, the errors must be paid; this civilization goes much too far into excess. A brutal brake (stop?) will be put on this destructive system, it is in the order of things. " (10/09/04) -
" This civilization has reached such an imbalance, unprecedented in the history of this world, that we owe it to ourselves to warn our brothers about their misdeeds, going well beyond pollution in all its forms."(11/03/04)
To Summarize! The picture is clear.
Humanity and this civilization are a filthy cesspool! Man is playing with fire and is engaged in the greatest of excesses. His behavior, dictated by the lowest instincts of human nature, hatred and the spirit of revenge, is destructive. This behavior will have serious consequences: in its collective madness, man develops satanic plans. Its frenzy to consume, pollute and destroy, puts the world is at risk of a dangerous escalation. We have arrived at a crucial point where everything conspires to ruin, the danger is great, everything must change ...
In its arrogance and imbalance, man has lost his mind, he acts as the master of the world. He will bear the consequences, he must pay for his mistakes. A brutal stop (brake?) will be placed on his activities, he must be stopped, the hard (heavy-handed?) way. A mutation is preparing itself for this world if it wants to survive, it must be completely revised ...
So far, everything is perfectly clear! But the message is blurred and becomes more confused then ...
On the one hand it must be stopped by a power, alien to this planet. On the other hand he must pay for his mistakes, and God's laws only can remedy. Divine punishment or alien invasion? The blur begins ...
Man has lost his mind
It is amusing to note that Whispers says that man has lost his mind, while Chari inversely repeats, that we have to stop thinking and open our hearts. Remaining in the sphere of the mind is to deny the spirituality that is the voice of the heart ...
In popular parlance, the heart is the emotions, the head is the reason. And Whispers tells us that things are not right because man has lost his mind. Like love, the lowest instincts, such as hatred, revenge, etc.. are indeed emotions, emanations of the heart. There are some positive, others negative. But Chari has never said that one had to listen only to the positive emotions from one's heart, he said one must listen to one's heart, that's it!
Man has listened to his heart, he has lost his mind but has not thusly won spirituality. And now, nothing works, we must change everything. Man must find reason, then reconnect with the sphere of the mind. But we must also grow spiritually. So how?
A contradiction again, who can understand, this is not the last ...
Danger, the punishment is coming!
Whispers exploits fears. Since the end of the glorious 30's, and the first oil crisis, our world has gone from crisis to crisis. The year 2011 is the year of disasters: climate, nuclear, economic, financial and social, etc.. The world is in constant crisis. Whispers benefits by riding the wave of a declining environment. We are just around the corner from the Apocalypse (I will return to this topic later ) ...
Mankind must pay for its mistakes, it is the divine punishment. It is close to the Judeo-Christian imaginary, where, irritated by humans, God unleashed the flood.
Does Whispers want to make us believe in the vengeance of a cruel God? And the SRCM is Noah's Ark?
A vengeful and cruel God. Is this the image of God in the spiritual Sahaj Marg way?
Alexis
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Insertions by 4d-Don are in "red italics"
Read here to see the Sahaj Marg(tm) spiritualist contradictions from beyond the grave... not by a spiritual Master, but by an anonymous French lady MEDIUM ... This, they call their "Bible" and they pay for it by buying a book of these "whispers" every year... one per year for another 12 years according to Chari. The requested "donation"? $150.00 - $250.00 US dollars per book. Where are the "ghost busters" ??
As Sahaj Marg(tm)'s President (Chari) rants against the evils of materialism and the excesses of the abhyasis and of other "infidels", they themselves indulge in the excesses of cancerous growth for their opulent Mission and their own "businesses". And, their imperialist (evangelical) "carbon footprint" is larger than many corporations ... But not to worry, the "ALIENS" (see below) or the "indigo children" will save them (not us??). That is if God does not first intercede directly with "His" (male) natural laws !!
(see below the bolded "satanic plans" and the "alien... power" quotes from WHISPERS attributed to Babuji from the invented "central region" of their fantasy "Brighter World" ... as told by their anonymous French lady Medium)
Is this what is called: "demonizing" your fellow humans, as well as your technocrat children"? Then, with the other side of their spiritualist face, they pretend (imagine?) and dare to call them (and us?) "brothers and sisters"? Is this the "light" or the "LOVE", which Sahaj Marg(tm) transmits to the world? Is this an example of the "HEART", what is in reality a pump, doing the thinking? .. . or, in this case, not "thinking" at all, as it (the heart) can't think? The heart simply pumps. Is this also an example of not using the "brain", which in Sahaj Marg(tm), is busy contacting and communing with "the spirits" of the dead and/or the psychic "egregores", or is busy "demonizing", and certainly not loving or unifying anything??
Are you intelligent guys and gals seriously believing this hate-filled "fiction"?? Whom do you serve in reality??
Are you still defending this so-called "spiritual" (but in reality "spiritualist), practice as something good for US??
Merry Christmas to them too!! As they divide families and societies at their HOLY TIME and anytime !!
May they point at their own STUPIDITY, for a CHANGE!!
Alexis said ...
Whispers: Decryption
Much has been said of "Whispers from the Brighter World". Almost everything has been said about its commercial exploitation. The wildest conjectures have been made on his or her alleged perpetrators.
Now we attach ourselves to its content. It is now six years since the abhyasis began to imbibe daily this New Bible of Sahaj Marg, as described by Chari. It's time to decipher and analyze the content, to know what the SRCM implants in its followers and to better understand the spiritual ideology of Sahaj Marg.
First step in the series:
Man and his punishment
Man races to his ruin, he must pay ... (Below are a series of quotes from "Whispers from the Brighter World", channeled by an anonymous French lady Medium (AFLM))
"(...) mankind is playing with fire, without realizing the adverse consequences for humanity." (29.12.2000) -
" The time of punishment for such arrogance will be manifest in all its power and man, paying for the gross errors of his ancestors, will suffer without being able to control the situation." (28/02/01) -
" Men end up falling into the wildest excesses, then it must be remedied." (11/03/01) -
" Where will stop the cruelty of men? (...) It can go into adulthood, to the excesses that we recognize today and which stem from the collective madness. These acts are served by a high technology, which allows them to develop satanic plans. Everything is good to assuage the hatred and the spirit of revenge that inhabits them. It's a vicious cycle that has no end and will, sooner or later be stopped by a power alien to this planet who (or which, the planet or the people on the planet) will have no other means to stop this dangerous escalation, harmful to the universal equilibrium. The lower instincts of human nature are difficult to counter. The method of power (heavy handed method?) will have to prevail one day (...). "(13/09/01) -
" This planet is arriving at a crucial point where everything has to change regarding the behavior of men, many of which seem to have lost their mind. Humanity is in danger in more ways than one. God, for a majority, remaining for them an abstraction, they consider themselves to be masters of the world, allowed to put it at risk at any price. (...) May the people come to their senses while there is still time." (12/28/03) -
" Let us work for this evolution, time is running out, humanity is in danger in many ways. What emerges from this cesspool will be strengthened and enlightened. " (7/1/04) -
" This civilization is destructive, nothing seems to be able to stop it in this world, divine laws, and they alone, will be able to remedy. " (7/3/04) -
" This civilization is going too far in its prerogatives and endangers an entire balance, regardless of the consequences. (...) May humanity react in time so as to limit the destructive phenomenon! " (15/07/04) -
"Humanity is living dangerously, ignoring the warnings given to it. A reality check would be needed here too, but a consumer frenzy has seized mankind, ignoring any and all warnings on the subject. Everything in modern civilization is contributing to its perdition; the cries of alarm from the experts, not having been heard while there was still time, the inevitable will happen. Respect for nature, of life in all its forms is a concept that man for too long has neglected. He must face the consequences. God's laws are inflexible: they operate on their own, also." (11/09/04) -
"The movement is irreversible; nothing will stop the frenzy down here to pollute and destroy under the pretext of modernizing and producing on a large scale. Sooner or later, the errors must be paid; this civilization goes much too far into excess. A brutal brake (stop?) will be put on this destructive system, it is in the order of things. " (10/09/04) -
" This civilization has reached such an imbalance, unprecedented in the history of this world, that we owe it to ourselves to warn our brothers about their misdeeds, going well beyond pollution in all its forms."(11/03/04)
To Summarize! The picture is clear.
Humanity and this civilization are a filthy cesspool! Man is playing with fire and is engaged in the greatest of excesses. His behavior, dictated by the lowest instincts of human nature, hatred and the spirit of revenge, is destructive. This behavior will have serious consequences: in its collective madness, man develops satanic plans. Its frenzy to consume, pollute and destroy, puts the world is at risk of a dangerous escalation. We have arrived at a crucial point where everything conspires to ruin, the danger is great, everything must change ...
In its arrogance and imbalance, man has lost his mind, he acts as the master of the world. He will bear the consequences, he must pay for his mistakes. A brutal stop (brake?) will be placed on his activities, he must be stopped, the hard (heavy-handed?) way. A mutation is preparing itself for this world if it wants to survive, it must be completely revised ...
So far, everything is perfectly clear! But the message is blurred and becomes more confused then ...
On the one hand it must be stopped by a power, alien to this planet. On the other hand he must pay for his mistakes, and God's laws only can remedy. Divine punishment or alien invasion? The blur begins ...
Man has lost his mind
It is amusing to note that Whispers says that man has lost his mind, while Chari inversely repeats, that we have to stop thinking and open our hearts. Remaining in the sphere of the mind is to deny the spirituality that is the voice of the heart ...
In popular parlance, the heart is the emotions, the head is the reason. And Whispers tells us that things are not right because man has lost his mind. Like love, the lowest instincts, such as hatred, revenge, etc.. are indeed emotions, emanations of the heart. There are some positive, others negative. But Chari has never said that one had to listen only to the positive emotions from one's heart, he said one must listen to one's heart, that's it!
Man has listened to his heart, he has lost his mind but has not thusly won spirituality. And now, nothing works, we must change everything. Man must find reason, then reconnect with the sphere of the mind. But we must also grow spiritually. So how?
A contradiction again, who can understand, this is not the last ...
Danger, the punishment is coming!
Whispers exploits fears. Since the end of the glorious 30's, and the first oil crisis, our world has gone from crisis to crisis. The year 2011 is the year of disasters: climate, nuclear, economic, financial and social, etc.. The world is in constant crisis. Whispers benefits by riding the wave of a declining environment. We are just around the corner from the Apocalypse (I will return to this topic later ) ...
Mankind must pay for its mistakes, it is the divine punishment. It is close to the Judeo-Christian imaginary, where, irritated by humans, God unleashed the flood.
Does Whispers want to make us believe in the vengeance of a cruel God? And the SRCM is Noah's Ark?
A vengeful and cruel God. Is this the image of God in the spiritual Sahaj Marg way?
Alexis
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Tuesday, November 15, 2011
Whispers, The New Ideology of Sahaj Marg
Taken and translated from an article by Elodie: "Whispers, Nouvelle Idéologie du Sahaj Marg", on her blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg
November 15, 2011
Whispers, The New Ideology of Sahaj Marg?
A third debate
Alexis opens a new series of reflections on the content of Whispers. Rather than reproduce his messages, I propose to discuss it.
You can find and read through the links below:
Whispers: decryption
* Part 1 (French): Mankind rushes towards its ruin, he must pay
* Other Components: I will publish here the links as they appear
A must read (and reread also) so as to properly reflect about:
* The dark side of Sahaj Marg
* Label Whispers (Google Whispers)
While Alexis opens this new series, I realize that Whispers crystallizes my biggest disappointment vis-à-vis the SRCM of Chari and Sahaj Marg. My disappointment, but also my indignation and my anger, my cries of rage.
I overcame my inhibitions and created this blog in January, 2006 because of the commercial exploitation of Whispers by Chari and the Mission. When, much later, I lost my last illusions about Chari, it was still about Whispers, because of the content of the messages of the so-called medium of Babuji.
Before, and for a long time, I spent the towel on (whitewashed? brushed over?) so much. I was sometimes offended by certain words or certain acts, but it seemed a necessary evil, almost insignificant in such a large organization. Inevitably there must be some black sheep, the structure would inevitably generate some slag.
Without the excesses brought about by Whispers, I think I would have finally continued to whitewash everything. For me it was the trigger, the last straw. But then, Whispers exceeded all the vertices of the excess and madness that reigns within the SRCM, there are no limits. Since 2006, this drop of water was gradually transformed itself into a stream, and into a river and an ocean as a result of the oft-repeated so-called messages of Babuji.
If Chari's SRCMtm only swears by their Bible, Whispers, Sister Kasturi told Shashwat Pandey on February 20, 2009 that she objected to the release of Whispers which she considers harmful, because they peddle incorrect messages. I remind you that Babuji called her (Sister Kasturi) "the saint of Sahaj Marg". He was then alive and in full mental health.
Shashwat :
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I have one more question, recently there is a book published by Sahaj Marg, called "Whispers From the Brighter World", which is said to contain messages from Lalaji and Babuji, and these messages are sold at a price of 250 euro’s which is approximately 12,000, Indian rupees, kindly throw some light on this as to what is this brighter world and what are these messages from the "brighter world".
Kasturiji : I have written the truth about these things in my book, because I know, that these things are going to be very harmful for the mission in future, this will not convey the correct message, you tell me one thing, did Chariji hear the name of “brighter world” during Babuji’s time, or before him or after him?
Shashwat : (pause) you are correct.
Kasturiji : (where) ever did he heard this name?
Shashwat : you are correct, this all started since 2005 onwards.
Kasturiji : even Chariji, he also use to do worship before, many big names use to visit him, did he ever hear this name “brighter world” (laughs..) and then there are messages from this place!! I will tell you the truth, and I have cleared this in my book, whenever someone is asked to come down to earth for some work, suppose Babuji was asked to come to earth for spirituality, there are some personalities who know before hand, that this divine personality will come down to work, such personalities leave their pleasure and allow themselves to protect that divine personality like a bodyguard, like lord Shankar, Narad Muni, and many others, whenever such personalities come down, they all are ready to serve such a personality, these are people who stay back after leaving earth, and they get the job done, they will inform, like you need to do this, you did a good job, but you need to do this also, and there is nothing of this kind in Chariji’s diary, I have read that diary.. it only contains information like, he is praising him, she is praising that fellow.. like this.. if there is expression of any kind of relation, than it is totally false, because relation are that place when spirituality ends, there are no relation for such people, all relations are part of earth, and they and they are left behind in this world only, when you leave this world then only divine bliss exists, and there are no relations there.. and in Chariji’s diary, all it contains is relations… I have not written his name because he is head of our mission currently, I have not taken any name, but I have answered everything, so that people can come to know the truth.
Am I the only one with Sister Kasturi, to believe that the ideology brought by Whispers is particularly harmful (noxious)? Am I the only one to believe that with Whispers, Chari's SRCM has attained some until now never accessed peaks of excess and madness?
I propose to all to discuss it here.
Obviously, the other debates remain open. Thank you for participating, it will not work without you.
Elodie
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November 15, 2011
Whispers, The New Ideology of Sahaj Marg?
A third debate
Alexis opens a new series of reflections on the content of Whispers. Rather than reproduce his messages, I propose to discuss it.
You can find and read through the links below:
Whispers: decryption
* Part 1 (French): Mankind rushes towards its ruin, he must pay
* Other Components: I will publish here the links as they appear
A must read (and reread also) so as to properly reflect about:
* The dark side of Sahaj Marg
* Label Whispers (Google Whispers)
While Alexis opens this new series, I realize that Whispers crystallizes my biggest disappointment vis-à-vis the SRCM of Chari and Sahaj Marg. My disappointment, but also my indignation and my anger, my cries of rage.
I overcame my inhibitions and created this blog in January, 2006 because of the commercial exploitation of Whispers by Chari and the Mission. When, much later, I lost my last illusions about Chari, it was still about Whispers, because of the content of the messages of the so-called medium of Babuji.
Before, and for a long time, I spent the towel on (whitewashed? brushed over?) so much. I was sometimes offended by certain words or certain acts, but it seemed a necessary evil, almost insignificant in such a large organization. Inevitably there must be some black sheep, the structure would inevitably generate some slag.
Without the excesses brought about by Whispers, I think I would have finally continued to whitewash everything. For me it was the trigger, the last straw. But then, Whispers exceeded all the vertices of the excess and madness that reigns within the SRCM, there are no limits. Since 2006, this drop of water was gradually transformed itself into a stream, and into a river and an ocean as a result of the oft-repeated so-called messages of Babuji.
If Chari's SRCMtm only swears by their Bible, Whispers, Sister Kasturi told Shashwat Pandey on February 20, 2009 that she objected to the release of Whispers which she considers harmful, because they peddle incorrect messages. I remind you that Babuji called her (Sister Kasturi) "the saint of Sahaj Marg". He was then alive and in full mental health.
Shashwat :
(…)
I have one more question, recently there is a book published by Sahaj Marg, called "Whispers From the Brighter World", which is said to contain messages from Lalaji and Babuji, and these messages are sold at a price of 250 euro’s which is approximately 12,000, Indian rupees, kindly throw some light on this as to what is this brighter world and what are these messages from the "brighter world".
Kasturiji : I have written the truth about these things in my book, because I know, that these things are going to be very harmful for the mission in future, this will not convey the correct message, you tell me one thing, did Chariji hear the name of “brighter world” during Babuji’s time, or before him or after him?
Shashwat : (pause) you are correct.
Kasturiji : (where) ever did he heard this name?
Shashwat : you are correct, this all started since 2005 onwards.
Kasturiji : even Chariji, he also use to do worship before, many big names use to visit him, did he ever hear this name “brighter world” (laughs..) and then there are messages from this place!! I will tell you the truth, and I have cleared this in my book, whenever someone is asked to come down to earth for some work, suppose Babuji was asked to come to earth for spirituality, there are some personalities who know before hand, that this divine personality will come down to work, such personalities leave their pleasure and allow themselves to protect that divine personality like a bodyguard, like lord Shankar, Narad Muni, and many others, whenever such personalities come down, they all are ready to serve such a personality, these are people who stay back after leaving earth, and they get the job done, they will inform, like you need to do this, you did a good job, but you need to do this also, and there is nothing of this kind in Chariji’s diary, I have read that diary.. it only contains information like, he is praising him, she is praising that fellow.. like this.. if there is expression of any kind of relation, than it is totally false, because relation are that place when spirituality ends, there are no relation for such people, all relations are part of earth, and they and they are left behind in this world only, when you leave this world then only divine bliss exists, and there are no relations there.. and in Chariji’s diary, all it contains is relations… I have not written his name because he is head of our mission currently, I have not taken any name, but I have answered everything, so that people can come to know the truth.
Am I the only one with Sister Kasturi, to believe that the ideology brought by Whispers is particularly harmful (noxious)? Am I the only one to believe that with Whispers, Chari's SRCM has attained some until now never accessed peaks of excess and madness?
I propose to all to discuss it here.
Obviously, the other debates remain open. Thank you for participating, it will not work without you.
Elodie
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Tuesday, November 08, 2011
At Sahaj Marg(tm): Your Children Belong to the Mission
Taken from an article by Elodie: "Vos Enfants Appartiennent à la Mission" on her blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg
Insertions and additions by 4d-don are in "red italics"
In the west, we teach our children. As the song goes: "Teach Your Children Well"... Chari and his Sahaj Marg(tm) want the children of abhyasis, which are now called the children of the Master or the Mission, to be "trained" or "formatted" ... as one would a pet or a slave (serf) or a piece of machinery (computer) !! Sahaj Marg is like a loop back to the feudal 12th century !
November 8, 2011
Your children belong to the Mission
In one of Chari's last speeches, "Material Life is the Vehicle to Spirituality" (September 25, 2011, Garden of Hearts, Chennai), he returns to the fate reserved for the children of abhyasis:
(…)
" I am happy to see a happy group of people around me, a lot of children. I hope you are training them properly because what we have as the first generation of abhyasis was not quite well disciplined because, of course, they were the ragtag of a population which had no discipline at all, and Babuji made what he could out of them. But at least in one function they have not disappointed us, in that they have produced a lot of children who we hope will be the second generation, if not the third generation of abhyasis."
(…)
"I would like to emphasise the need to train your children properly, especially mothers, because I see many of them in the ashram instigating their children to run around, to shout, to come to me when I am on my walk. That is not the way to train children. Children should be trained to be disciplined, to be seen and not heard, to study well. Because all of you who are parents know, these are your children but more especially my Master's children. They belong to the Mission. You have been in the Mission. The Mission has helped you to grow, to exist happily, comfortably, in protected surroundings like this, so that you have a responsibility to the parampara of Sahaj Marg, the hierarchy, to feed future generations of Sahaj Marg with well-prepared, well-conceived children into this, I don't know, twenty-seven thousandth generation if that is the plan of divinity."
"So, first of all, to train your children you must train yourself. Indisciplined parents can never have disciplined children."
(…)
"So don't forget, you are here to train yourself, to equip yourself to get into the Brighter World when your turn comes, when your time comes – may it be long in the future, but your greater responsibility is to the Mission."
(…)
This speaks for itself. "These are your children, but more so the children of MY MASTER. They belong to the Mission. " According to Whispers (Messages from the spirit of deceased Babuji (1983), received through an Anonymous French Lady Medium), these children are the future of the Mission, the world's future. They are the vanguard of the chosen race, the "indigo children". They will go through their LMOIS school, (Lalaji Memorial Omega International School) to be formatted by the VBSE (Value-Based Spiritual Education) of Chari, before becoming good little soldiers in the disciplined battalions of Sahaj Marg (tm).
Elodie
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Alexis said:
@ Elodie
Well done! Remember that the Garden of Hearts is a set of apartments facing the Babuji Memorial Ashram, originally built for and by abhyasis who wanted to be closer to Chari ... (or to sell to make "MONEY" ... Spiritualist Capitalism?)
Your children belong to the Mission, you need discipline! Chari and his pharmacist from Brooklyn are preparing their troops ...
Vincent (see his French blog here) is going to be happy for his grandchildren ...
Alexis
Elodie said:
Hello Vincent,
I myself have a niece who has gone to Chari's school this year. This is the only daughter of my brother, she is twelve years old only. My sister in law went with her in late June to her new school. She stayed there with her for three months and came back shortly after this speech of Chari. I imagine that his speech was directed especially at her, as other mothers who left their children for one year and could not part with them. From what I understand, the children will be back in early May for two short months of vacation.
My sister-in-law is a true fanatic of Sahaj Marg, but she still returned back home torn. I'm not talking about my brother who was unable to accompany them to India because of his work, he just made the round trip on the anniversary of Chari and saw his daughter a few hours. They will see her again once more before May.
October was a martyrdom, at the beginning my niece was crying in front of the webcam. My brother, a strapping man ten years my senior, broke down several times in front of us and now he takes refuge in his work. My sister-in-law, who does not work, compensates by spending all her time for the Mission.
Despite all this, my little sister raised by my parents and my brother is seriously considering doing the same with her children. Fortunately they are still too young for now, maybe she will change her nind by then, although I do not think so.
It's hard, especially because of the length of the separation and because this is the only child of my brother. However, I agree with Léa and 4d-Don in telling you that the SRCM is not the only organization to support the education of children of the followers in their place. This does not take away from the hell which the Mission spreads, but it is not specific to the operation of Sahaj Marg.
Much love,
Elodie
Friday, November 11, 2011
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See Also:
VBSE (Value Based Spiritual Education) at LMOIS (Lalaji Memorial Omega International School), at SRCM(tm)
http://4d-don.blogspot.com/2007/11/vbse-at-lmos-of-srcmcalifornia.html
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Insertions and additions by 4d-don are in "red italics"
In the west, we teach our children. As the song goes: "Teach Your Children Well"... Chari and his Sahaj Marg(tm) want the children of abhyasis, which are now called the children of the Master or the Mission, to be "trained" or "formatted" ... as one would a pet or a slave (serf) or a piece of machinery (computer) !! Sahaj Marg is like a loop back to the feudal 12th century !
November 8, 2011
Your children belong to the Mission
In one of Chari's last speeches, "Material Life is the Vehicle to Spirituality" (September 25, 2011, Garden of Hearts, Chennai), he returns to the fate reserved for the children of abhyasis:
(…)
" I am happy to see a happy group of people around me, a lot of children. I hope you are training them properly because what we have as the first generation of abhyasis was not quite well disciplined because, of course, they were the ragtag of a population which had no discipline at all, and Babuji made what he could out of them. But at least in one function they have not disappointed us, in that they have produced a lot of children who we hope will be the second generation, if not the third generation of abhyasis."
(…)
"I would like to emphasise the need to train your children properly, especially mothers, because I see many of them in the ashram instigating their children to run around, to shout, to come to me when I am on my walk. That is not the way to train children. Children should be trained to be disciplined, to be seen and not heard, to study well. Because all of you who are parents know, these are your children but more especially my Master's children. They belong to the Mission. You have been in the Mission. The Mission has helped you to grow, to exist happily, comfortably, in protected surroundings like this, so that you have a responsibility to the parampara of Sahaj Marg, the hierarchy, to feed future generations of Sahaj Marg with well-prepared, well-conceived children into this, I don't know, twenty-seven thousandth generation if that is the plan of divinity."
"So, first of all, to train your children you must train yourself. Indisciplined parents can never have disciplined children."
(…)
"So don't forget, you are here to train yourself, to equip yourself to get into the Brighter World when your turn comes, when your time comes – may it be long in the future, but your greater responsibility is to the Mission."
(…)
This speaks for itself. "These are your children, but more so the children of MY MASTER. They belong to the Mission. " According to Whispers (Messages from the spirit of deceased Babuji (1983), received through an Anonymous French Lady Medium), these children are the future of the Mission, the world's future. They are the vanguard of the chosen race, the "indigo children". They will go through their LMOIS school, (Lalaji Memorial Omega International School) to be formatted by the VBSE (Value-Based Spiritual Education) of Chari, before becoming good little soldiers in the disciplined battalions of Sahaj Marg (tm).
Elodie
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Alexis said:
@ Elodie
Well done! Remember that the Garden of Hearts is a set of apartments facing the Babuji Memorial Ashram, originally built for and by abhyasis who wanted to be closer to Chari ... (or to sell to make "MONEY" ... Spiritualist Capitalism?)
Your children belong to the Mission, you need discipline! Chari and his pharmacist from Brooklyn are preparing their troops ...
Vincent (see his French blog here) is going to be happy for his grandchildren ...
Alexis
Elodie said:
Hello Vincent,
I myself have a niece who has gone to Chari's school this year. This is the only daughter of my brother, she is twelve years old only. My sister in law went with her in late June to her new school. She stayed there with her for three months and came back shortly after this speech of Chari. I imagine that his speech was directed especially at her, as other mothers who left their children for one year and could not part with them. From what I understand, the children will be back in early May for two short months of vacation.
My sister-in-law is a true fanatic of Sahaj Marg, but she still returned back home torn. I'm not talking about my brother who was unable to accompany them to India because of his work, he just made the round trip on the anniversary of Chari and saw his daughter a few hours. They will see her again once more before May.
October was a martyrdom, at the beginning my niece was crying in front of the webcam. My brother, a strapping man ten years my senior, broke down several times in front of us and now he takes refuge in his work. My sister-in-law, who does not work, compensates by spending all her time for the Mission.
Despite all this, my little sister raised by my parents and my brother is seriously considering doing the same with her children. Fortunately they are still too young for now, maybe she will change her nind by then, although I do not think so.
It's hard, especially because of the length of the separation and because this is the only child of my brother. However, I agree with Léa and 4d-Don in telling you that the SRCM is not the only organization to support the education of children of the followers in their place. This does not take away from the hell which the Mission spreads, but it is not specific to the operation of Sahaj Marg.
Much love,
Elodie
Friday, November 11, 2011
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See Also:
VBSE (Value Based Spiritual Education) at LMOIS (Lalaji Memorial Omega International School), at SRCM(tm)
http://4d-don.blogspot.com/2007/11/vbse-at-lmos-of-srcmcalifornia.html
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Friday, November 04, 2011
Sahaj Marg(tm) 2011, Dubai, Kamlesh & The GST
Taken and translated from an article by Alexis: "2011, Dubai, Kamlesh & la GST" on Elodie's blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg. Alexis has his own blog (french & english) also: Le Projet Sahaj Marg
Insertions and additions (for clarity) by 4d-Don are in "red italics"
November 4, 2011
2011: Dubai, Kamlesh & GST
After one year of "sabbatical," Chari resumed his travels abroad. First to Dubai for the inauguration in the spring of their ashram, then to Singapore and to neighboring Malaysia. With October, came returning to Dubai this time with his new "dauphin" (successor in waiting), Kamlesh D. Patel, a pharmacist from Brooklyn (Staten Island, N.Y.) ...
In early summer, Chari had revealed he was working on the renovation of the SRCM with Ishak Adizes. A team of global services (GST, Global Service team) had been established with Kamlesh as the GRAND mediator.
From Dubai, where Chari came to visit the banks with Kamlesh to ensure the financial succession, he re-iterated the role of the GST and the reorganization of the Mission. Historically, Babuji had not split the actions of the Mission between the administration and the spirituality. Fifteen years after the arrival of Chari, these two parts were organized separately.
Today, Chari has kept two things from Adizes' proposals: an organization must answer the question why? what? ... and nothing works properly without mutual respect and mutual trust. There is need of nothing else to "become brothers and sisters," but Chari added that this lacks ...
He reminds that the abhyasis are there to serve, not to serve humanity but to serve him, the master who loves everyone. "Love him who loves all." So the administration and spirituality may well be made by each communally, but it requires a global service team.
Critics of this new organization are fusing already, Chari asks all not to judge it and be patient, otherwise the system will not work ...
A team of 14 persons, 14 Indian chiefs, serving the entire SRCM, what a revolution! We've already had the President's Committee, nothing new under the sun ...
The mountain of Adizes / Chari has given birth to a very small mouse indeed ...
Alexis
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Insertions and additions (for clarity) by 4d-Don are in "red italics"
November 4, 2011
2011: Dubai, Kamlesh & GST
After one year of "sabbatical," Chari resumed his travels abroad. First to Dubai for the inauguration in the spring of their ashram, then to Singapore and to neighboring Malaysia. With October, came returning to Dubai this time with his new "dauphin" (successor in waiting), Kamlesh D. Patel, a pharmacist from Brooklyn (Staten Island, N.Y.) ...
In early summer, Chari had revealed he was working on the renovation of the SRCM with Ishak Adizes. A team of global services (GST, Global Service team) had been established with Kamlesh as the GRAND mediator.
From Dubai, where Chari came to visit the banks with Kamlesh to ensure the financial succession, he re-iterated the role of the GST and the reorganization of the Mission. Historically, Babuji had not split the actions of the Mission between the administration and the spirituality. Fifteen years after the arrival of Chari, these two parts were organized separately.
Today, Chari has kept two things from Adizes' proposals: an organization must answer the question why? what? ... and nothing works properly without mutual respect and mutual trust. There is need of nothing else to "become brothers and sisters," but Chari added that this lacks ...
He reminds that the abhyasis are there to serve, not to serve humanity but to serve him, the master who loves everyone. "Love him who loves all." So the administration and spirituality may well be made by each communally, but it requires a global service team.
Critics of this new organization are fusing already, Chari asks all not to judge it and be patient, otherwise the system will not work ...
A team of 14 persons, 14 Indian chiefs, serving the entire SRCM, what a revolution! We've already had the President's Committee, nothing new under the sun ...
The mountain of Adizes / Chari has given birth to a very small mouse indeed ...
Alexis
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Tuesday, October 11, 2011
To Abhyasis of Sahaj Marg Who Read This Blog!!
Taken and translated from an article by Elodie: "Rappel Aux Abhyasis Qui Lisent Ce Blog" on her blog: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg.
October 11, 2011
Reminder to the abhyasis who read this blog
You respond to our arguments by saying that we do not know of what we speak, because we do not know what Sahaj Marg is, and that we have not experienced it.
THINK AGAIN!
Alexis and 4d-Don are the exceptions that prove the rule.
Cricri, Michael, Frank, Madeleine, Peter and Ines, Cyril, Paolo and I are all old abhyasis. Together we have spent more time in the SRCM than each of you. Some of us were preceptors, others had various responsibilities.
Rejecting our arguments on the grounds that we do not know of what we speak is to be like the ostrich burying its head in the sand, in the face of inconvenient truths. It is to want to remain deaf and blind to certain realities that you deny to the absurd, so as to not re-question yourself.
IT IS DIFFICULT, BUT YOU ARE NOT ALONE
To doubt, to re-learn to think for oneself, to recognize after years in error that one has been wrong, to take a place on the sidelines, it is not easy. But we've been there, we demonstrate that it is possible, that one can rebuild, turn the page and move on to other things. You are not alone.
YES, YOU CAN!
There is life after Sahaj Marg, one can live without it, and especially live better, much better.
Elodie
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October 11, 2011Reminder to the abhyasis who read this blog
You respond to our arguments by saying that we do not know of what we speak, because we do not know what Sahaj Marg is, and that we have not experienced it.
THINK AGAIN!
Alexis and 4d-Don are the exceptions that prove the rule.
Cricri, Michael, Frank, Madeleine, Peter and Ines, Cyril, Paolo and I are all old abhyasis. Together we have spent more time in the SRCM than each of you. Some of us were preceptors, others had various responsibilities.
Rejecting our arguments on the grounds that we do not know of what we speak is to be like the ostrich burying its head in the sand, in the face of inconvenient truths. It is to want to remain deaf and blind to certain realities that you deny to the absurd, so as to not re-question yourself.
IT IS DIFFICULT, BUT YOU ARE NOT ALONE
To doubt, to re-learn to think for oneself, to recognize after years in error that one has been wrong, to take a place on the sidelines, it is not easy. But we've been there, we demonstrate that it is possible, that one can rebuild, turn the page and move on to other things. You are not alone.
YES, YOU CAN!
There is life after Sahaj Marg, one can live without it, and especially live better, much better.
Elodie
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Saturday, October 08, 2011
Comment by Paolo, Ex-Preceptor of Sahaj Marg!
Taken and translated from a comment by Paolo, ex-preceptor of Sahaj Marg (under Babuji and Chari), on article by Cricri (Christian): Le Temoignage de Cricri, (see English version on this blog: "Ex-Abhyasi of Sahaj Marg, Cricri's Testimonial"), on Elodie's blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg.
Comments and insertions by 4d-don are in "red italics"
(See reply by Cricri below)
Paolo Said:
The argument that you suggest seems very interesting and even fundamental to any spiritual seeker.
My name is Paolo and I joined Sahaj Marg in 1978. I met Babuji the next year in India and several other times until he departed (April 19, 1983)
I met Chari in 1979 in India when he was secretary general of the SRCM, then I accepted him as the new chairman of the mission and later as master, believing that I was "recognizing the master where he was", basing my decision especially on the perception of the transmission flowing from him.
I worked as a preceptor for 15 years until I left the SRCM in 2003.
I do not think though that I have anything to teach to anyone, but at the same time I am absolutely convinced that we must ask questions and try to answer them honestly.
The first question which you had already asked is:
- Is there a difference between spirituality and power?
and also:
- Does there exist any form of "energetic" power with no spiritual nature?
- The practice of "suggestion" towards the abhyasis or those who are not abhyasis, widely used by Chari and many of the preceptors, (is it) a spiritual practice?
(For example: work by suggesting that someone who abandoned the mission will return)
-In order to be helped spiritually by a Master should one not have, beyond "energetic" power, certain characteristics, innate by a special birth or acquired by his spiritual practice, such as humility or non-attachment to material goals, including the idea of the growth at all costs of his mission?
- Should the Master should not have a direct experience of the spiritual realms, and help us to do the same (direct experience!) And have no recourse to mediums and like people?
I do not think that to ask whether Chari is a channel or not, is a good question.
I'm sure he is a channel but of what "energy" is it?
Is this a purely spiritual "energy", liberating from the grips of the material and helping to enter the spiritual worlds, or, an "energy", which in one way or another, only develops the ego in an infinite expansion?
Someone said that you can judge the tree by its fruits.
Best regards and thank you for all your efforts
Paolo
Saturday, October 1, 2011
Cricri Said:
Paolo,
"believing that I was recognizing the Master where he was", basing my decision primarily on the perception of the trasmission that flowed from him."
From KC Narayana (of ISRC a SRCM break-away group) I learned that the transmission is an act of will.
He has long insisted that I understand the difference between divine grace and transmission.
From the SRCMtm, I was confused.
Transmission can not flow by itself passively it seems, it is something else.
You do not doubt that Chari is a channel, but you doubt about the type of energy that he channels.
What are your assumptions about the nature of this energy?
"I worked as a preceptor for 15 years until I left the SRCM in 2003."
Would you explain, since you are a former insider, how the teacher manipulates the abhyasi to make it obedient and indoctrinated?
I refer to "spiritual" techniques and these famous suggestions emitted during the siting or during the remote (at a distance) working sessions on the abhyasi.
Explain to the readers what this witchcraft recipe is, the readers would not believe if it came from me.
Would thou also tell us why the teacher is unable to advance the abhyasi spiritually?
The suggestions have obviously limits :-)
"for example, to work by suggesting that someone who has abandoned the mission will return"
I know this is the kind of process that one undergoes, and more so from people that we know, and believe to want to do well.
In my case, however, I have taken the lead by addressing the abhyasis of Chari by all the names of birds (Bird-brain) : I'm sure they would not want me to return to their cult! :-)
Yet the sense of my last post is honesty.
Some abhyasis were influenced by blogs while that the choice should have come from them.
Today they have doubts about their decision because they feel they have lost something essential.
(Continuation and end)
We have a spiritual responsibility to be cleansed.
If an abhyasi doubts that he has made the right choice, then, he must return to SRCMtm and not wait, and watch the situation from the inside after having had an outside view.
So he will obtain the means to make a choice that comes from himself, if indeed the "suggestions" which is he is the target leaves him that.
If he decides to leave, he must really have faith, and look hard.
Likewise, if he decides to stay!
"Should The Master not have direct experience of the spiritual realms"
Absolutism demonstrates an inability to understand the complexity of the world, general relativism, the nuances and subtlety of the universe.
It shows a total misunderstanding of nature and the compensatory need to construct a safe mental building.
It is the opposite of living a spirituality which brings us constantly in front of the unknowable.
For this reason, I am awed by the thoughts of Lalaji, whereas with Babuji, an exclusive monotheism is set in place while this exclusivity is absent from the original Sufi teaching.
If Chari has no direct experience of the spiritual realms, he seems to be used as a channel: by what, by whom, for what purpose?
Darth Vader is a beautiful metaphor for Chari.
Both are trapped in a net of influence which they have allowed to develop by ambition, indulgence, and arrogance.
A spark of good is also in Chari: perhaps it will his its work one day?
Perhaps it is already at work, guiding the lost in the maze of his ambition?
And if all this would open on an episode of light?
That's why nothing is decided on Chari and SRCMtm and I want to re-open the debate in a constructive way.
Paolo, you are essential to help us think, thank you for sharing.
Cricri
Wednesday, October 5, 2011
Comments and insertions by 4d-don are in "red italics"
(See reply by Cricri below)
Paolo Said:
The argument that you suggest seems very interesting and even fundamental to any spiritual seeker.
My name is Paolo and I joined Sahaj Marg in 1978. I met Babuji the next year in India and several other times until he departed (April 19, 1983)
I met Chari in 1979 in India when he was secretary general of the SRCM, then I accepted him as the new chairman of the mission and later as master, believing that I was "recognizing the master where he was", basing my decision especially on the perception of the transmission flowing from him.
I worked as a preceptor for 15 years until I left the SRCM in 2003.
I do not think though that I have anything to teach to anyone, but at the same time I am absolutely convinced that we must ask questions and try to answer them honestly.
The first question which you had already asked is:
- Is there a difference between spirituality and power?
and also:
- Does there exist any form of "energetic" power with no spiritual nature?
- The practice of "suggestion" towards the abhyasis or those who are not abhyasis, widely used by Chari and many of the preceptors, (is it) a spiritual practice?
(For example: work by suggesting that someone who abandoned the mission will return)
-In order to be helped spiritually by a Master should one not have, beyond "energetic" power, certain characteristics, innate by a special birth or acquired by his spiritual practice, such as humility or non-attachment to material goals, including the idea of the growth at all costs of his mission?
- Should the Master should not have a direct experience of the spiritual realms, and help us to do the same (direct experience!) And have no recourse to mediums and like people?
I do not think that to ask whether Chari is a channel or not, is a good question.
I'm sure he is a channel but of what "energy" is it?
Is this a purely spiritual "energy", liberating from the grips of the material and helping to enter the spiritual worlds, or, an "energy", which in one way or another, only develops the ego in an infinite expansion?
Someone said that you can judge the tree by its fruits.
Best regards and thank you for all your efforts
Paolo
Saturday, October 1, 2011
Cricri Said:
Paolo,
"believing that I was recognizing the Master where he was", basing my decision primarily on the perception of the trasmission that flowed from him."
From KC Narayana (of ISRC a SRCM break-away group) I learned that the transmission is an act of will.
He has long insisted that I understand the difference between divine grace and transmission.
From the SRCMtm, I was confused.
Transmission can not flow by itself passively it seems, it is something else.
You do not doubt that Chari is a channel, but you doubt about the type of energy that he channels.
What are your assumptions about the nature of this energy?
"I worked as a preceptor for 15 years until I left the SRCM in 2003."
Would you explain, since you are a former insider, how the teacher manipulates the abhyasi to make it obedient and indoctrinated?
I refer to "spiritual" techniques and these famous suggestions emitted during the siting or during the remote (at a distance) working sessions on the abhyasi.
Explain to the readers what this witchcraft recipe is, the readers would not believe if it came from me.
Would thou also tell us why the teacher is unable to advance the abhyasi spiritually?
The suggestions have obviously limits :-)
"for example, to work by suggesting that someone who has abandoned the mission will return"
I know this is the kind of process that one undergoes, and more so from people that we know, and believe to want to do well.
In my case, however, I have taken the lead by addressing the abhyasis of Chari by all the names of birds (Bird-brain) : I'm sure they would not want me to return to their cult! :-)
Yet the sense of my last post is honesty.
Some abhyasis were influenced by blogs while that the choice should have come from them.
Today they have doubts about their decision because they feel they have lost something essential.
(Continuation and end)
We have a spiritual responsibility to be cleansed.
If an abhyasi doubts that he has made the right choice, then, he must return to SRCMtm and not wait, and watch the situation from the inside after having had an outside view.
So he will obtain the means to make a choice that comes from himself, if indeed the "suggestions" which is he is the target leaves him that.
If he decides to leave, he must really have faith, and look hard.
Likewise, if he decides to stay!
"Should The Master not have direct experience of the spiritual realms"
Absolutism demonstrates an inability to understand the complexity of the world, general relativism, the nuances and subtlety of the universe.
It shows a total misunderstanding of nature and the compensatory need to construct a safe mental building.
It is the opposite of living a spirituality which brings us constantly in front of the unknowable.
For this reason, I am awed by the thoughts of Lalaji, whereas with Babuji, an exclusive monotheism is set in place while this exclusivity is absent from the original Sufi teaching.
If Chari has no direct experience of the spiritual realms, he seems to be used as a channel: by what, by whom, for what purpose?
Darth Vader is a beautiful metaphor for Chari.
Both are trapped in a net of influence which they have allowed to develop by ambition, indulgence, and arrogance.
A spark of good is also in Chari: perhaps it will his its work one day?
Perhaps it is already at work, guiding the lost in the maze of his ambition?
And if all this would open on an episode of light?
That's why nothing is decided on Chari and SRCMtm and I want to re-open the debate in a constructive way.
Paolo, you are essential to help us think, thank you for sharing.
Cricri
Wednesday, October 5, 2011
Wednesday, October 05, 2011
Ex-Abhyasi of Sahaj Marg, Cricri's Testimonial
Taken and translated from a comment from Cricri, an ex-abhyasis of 18 years (with Chari): Le Témoignage de Cricri", on Elodie's blog in Europe: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg.
Christian is a Research Psychologist and Psycho-linguist.
Comments and insertions by 4d-Don are in "red italics"
September 30, 2011
Cricri's Testimonial
Pushing the thinking further: Are the dissidents wrong on the essentials?
_____________________________
Cricri's blog: http://srcmtm-fr.blogspot.com/
I have asked this question repeatedly during this discussion - to one and all, on the blogs and in private and to myself over and over again, trying to contemplate the situation so as to know for sure.
Why is the answer not more clear? Why is it that I return to these questions, which imply that, maybe I was wrong about Chari and that I have misled the abhyasis by drawing them in my revolutionary wake?
Because undeniably, there is some spirit with Chari. Because despite his behavior, despite what he causes, despite the rotten fruit of this tree, the divine makes Its way regardless of the ability of men.
I know that all of the abhyasis SRCMtm continue to question themselves on a recurrent and similar phenomenon: How can "spiritually advanced" people - as found in the inner circle of Chari or in important posts in the "mission" - have such a gross personality, an arrogance so visible, and such a heinous behavior?
The answer they find is always "the ego", one of the central concerns of Chari's abhyasis (disciples), about which nobody ever talks among the dissident groups. The ego (the devil) is, along with the samskaras (sins), reincarnation (hell), liberation (access to Heaven), master (Christ the Saviour), the Self (Spirit), and the center (God) , one of the structural elements of the hindu-ized Judeo-Christian dogma which founded the software of SRCMtm (Judeo-Christianity has been proven to be able to control the masses and to manipulate history. It was destroyed by the Freemasons and its associates, to remove the fangs and the claws of the Church.) However, it (ego?) is necessary. The psychobiological universal structure, or the machine language, is transcribed into an exotic cultural matrix, to appear as a new software functionality so as to be accepted easier: it is still the same system of power, manipulating the levers of the same fear and desire - the stick and the carrot).
Anyone who has an ego-rush falls (into hell), and all the people who gravitate around Chari have been chosen by him for these positions of proximity, so that he can better work on them - implying the poor souls, let us have pity on their miserable condition for we, the small people of SRCMtm are worth much more than these great(s), (since we do not need to undergo this favoured treatment of deep cleaning (de-carboning?).
I have long believed this mythology which sounds pretty logical. I, however noticed over time, after 10 or 15 years, that those close to the master were hoplessly thick (dense), and that they were really getting rather worse. It was still rather confusing, since the master it seemed, performed on them a specific job so as to get them out of their human misery.
It seemed instead that they were rather more arrogant, and some, which I will not mention by name, were sometimes openly hateful towards some abhyasis - enough to be widely unpopular in the movement (humiliation + jealousy = brotherly love? ).
Therefore, there came a time when another hypothesis has made its way into my mind: the mythology of common sense was a mythology. Which meant that either (i) Chari was doing no specific spiritual work on these people in the inner circle so as to make them "evolve" (inability or abuse), and (ii) that he used the most vile characteristics to develop and manage the pyramid of power on top of which he continued to climb ( pushiness, ambition).
But this meant above all else, something even worse: Chari could not be a spiritual master if he had such practices, such tactics and such aims - and although he claims to be the spiritual successor of Babuji, and although he had the support of some Western abhyasis, whom he knew how to manipulate in the 80's and 90's, so as to return to power in India with a legitimate dissidence.
Numbers of "old abhyasis" have deserted the entourage of Chari over time. Most were illustrious unknowns, but some were of stature, and some, not the least, were spoken about in their retreat from the movement with varying degrees of commotion. Invariably, the rumors among the mass of followers, was that these former devotees had all fallen thanks to the media. They had a crisis of ego, and they turned their backs on the Holy Spirit, on God and on His messenger Chari-Saviour.
Myself, when I joined the movement in the late 80s, I was somewhat confused by the unexpected meeting with a preceptor from a group of dissidents a few days after my introductory sittings in Chari's faction ... I found myself accidentally thrown into the heart of the conflict, opponents Chari wanting to tell me nothing, advising me to follow my path, and accepting that I come meditate with them while continuing with Chari's group, and some others telling me that the dissidents did not recognize the new master, and advised me not to go ...
So I took this as an excuse to ask, a few months later, for a personal interview with Chari, and to meet him for the first time. I wanted to ask him some questions, with the idea of the character test, to get an opinion and to choose one group or another. On the point of psychology, Chari had replied "They failed to recognize the Master where he is." - Speaking of the spiritual principle that the Anglo-Saxons call the "holy ghost", the "holy fantasm" or the Holy Spirit.
I was 20, Chari impressed me with the clarity of his thought, the spiritual energy that emanated from him, and the message of the teachings that he made me discover. The dissidents that I knew formed a splinter group, not organized, consisting of ego-centered individuals with a spirituality which seemed to be more of a memory than a powerful stream. I had no experience relevant to my aspiration. In the group of Chari on the contrary, I found an organization rich in potential, a living master who seemed to have backbone, especially, who had the spirit with him. It is this last point that had determined my choice. More precisely, this first meeting with Chari had been foundational. There was no more doubt, no more questions. I had seen the two alternatives, I knew for sure.
The first years were totally carefree. I was carried by my aspiration and the aspiration of the group, a great power prevailed, togetherness was still in the human dimensions and each found its place. Spirituality was at the heart of this beautiful enterprise. We had, at the seminars, three, sometimes four satsanghs per day. Chari came to France several times a year. The spirit was always present and we were immersed in all this joy, this dynamic. It was wonderful.
Over time, the SRCM has become the SRCMtm, a monstrous machine to crush the hearts and souls, a factory to indoctrinate with the sole ambition "A Brave New World" (general trend of global society). Around 1995, I began to realize the shift that had taken place in the organization, I think in the early 90s. In 1997, it was very visible, with the introduction of a new structure and more stringent operating rules for the expansion to come, I began to take real distance, tortured between my unsatisfied desire, my total indoctrination, and incomprehension in the face of the destruction of the soul of the mission which was taking place.
Until 2005, I thought that this destruction was the result of abhyasis and management teams. I trusted in Chari, believing it was a temporary stage in the process, all the energy that was involved in the establishment of the structure but soon, a focus on spirituality would take place. Between 1998 and 2005, I continued my practice with the regular use of individual sittings, but I would not attend the exceptional group meditations.
In 2005, I took stock of the situation as it became clear that my practice was declining more and more. I had to try to revive a practice followed by more and more involvement in the social life of the mission, since the pressure of indoctrination in messages by Chari were having their effect on my thinking.
I went to Italy and to Denmark, two international seminars. What I saw stunned me. A collective madness had infected the masses. The attention was focused not AT ALL on spirituality, but on the purchase of land and buildings for the ashrams, and so on fundraising.
In a seminar, the son of Chari animated the auction of objects and works offered by the abhyasis to the mission. As few participants had come to support the first auction, it was decided to organize the following auction at the time of satsangh, because everyone would be present. It was a scandal. Abhyasis, disgusted, turned on the son of Chari in the discussions which took place the following hours and days. This hated son was an immoral representative, able to exchange the sacred for the profane at very vile prices, to please his father.
At the next seminar, responding to the wave of protests with contempt and arrogance - as usual, it was Chari himself who animated the auctions ...
Doubt was no longer possible, many abhyasis fell from on (their) high, wondering if their idol had not become senile. Still seeking for excuses, I was one of those who assumed that the inner circle of Chari, consisting of the worst social climbers of the mission, had rotted his mind by contaminating him gradually with subversive ideas. At the same time, I saw him host a sale with my own eyes. And I saw a person self-assured, methodical, manipulative, working in full knowledge of what he did and for what purpose, playing with the idolatry of the abhyasis to make them empty their pockets.
So I had at one time or another to go through the full process and test Chari - you know the rest.
Yet could there not be something else behind all these symptoms? Behind this grim reality, sordid, and animalistic?
What if Chari, despite his repeated criminal acts, was a tool of the divine, unconscious, driven from above? And if the spirit of God flowed through him? And if Chari was a master anyway?
I have heard the arguments from one and the many. I saw with my own eyes the one and the many. I lived and I felt. I analyzed and I dis-endoctrinated. I learned the difference between power and spirituality, or at least got some insight so as to know that there is a difference.
And yet, I confess, I never managed to find this certainty, after years of quest that Chari is not a channel.
So I open this section of my blog to officially launch a discussion in which I invite everyone, both from one camp or the other, to make constructed and constructive arguments. This is an important debate, as it aims to (i) confirm or (ii) reject the hypothesis of the dissidents.
If (ii) is correct, it is important that those who were misled by the blogs may have the elements so they can find their way - or rather, to take an informed decision for their own spiritual destiny.
Cricri
Christian is a Research Psychologist and Psycho-linguist.
Comments and insertions by 4d-Don are in "red italics"
September 30, 2011
Cricri's Testimonial
Pushing the thinking further: Are the dissidents wrong on the essentials?
_____________________________
Cricri's blog: http://srcmtm-fr.blogspot.com/
I have asked this question repeatedly during this discussion - to one and all, on the blogs and in private and to myself over and over again, trying to contemplate the situation so as to know for sure.
Why is the answer not more clear? Why is it that I return to these questions, which imply that, maybe I was wrong about Chari and that I have misled the abhyasis by drawing them in my revolutionary wake?
Because undeniably, there is some spirit with Chari. Because despite his behavior, despite what he causes, despite the rotten fruit of this tree, the divine makes Its way regardless of the ability of men.
I know that all of the abhyasis SRCMtm continue to question themselves on a recurrent and similar phenomenon: How can "spiritually advanced" people - as found in the inner circle of Chari or in important posts in the "mission" - have such a gross personality, an arrogance so visible, and such a heinous behavior?
The answer they find is always "the ego", one of the central concerns of Chari's abhyasis (disciples), about which nobody ever talks among the dissident groups. The ego (the devil) is, along with the samskaras (sins), reincarnation (hell), liberation (access to Heaven), master (Christ the Saviour), the Self (Spirit), and the center (God) , one of the structural elements of the hindu-ized Judeo-Christian dogma which founded the software of SRCMtm (Judeo-Christianity has been proven to be able to control the masses and to manipulate history. It was destroyed by the Freemasons and its associates, to remove the fangs and the claws of the Church.) However, it (ego?) is necessary. The psychobiological universal structure, or the machine language, is transcribed into an exotic cultural matrix, to appear as a new software functionality so as to be accepted easier: it is still the same system of power, manipulating the levers of the same fear and desire - the stick and the carrot).
Anyone who has an ego-rush falls (into hell), and all the people who gravitate around Chari have been chosen by him for these positions of proximity, so that he can better work on them - implying the poor souls, let us have pity on their miserable condition for we, the small people of SRCMtm are worth much more than these great(s), (since we do not need to undergo this favoured treatment of deep cleaning (de-carboning?).
I have long believed this mythology which sounds pretty logical. I, however noticed over time, after 10 or 15 years, that those close to the master were hoplessly thick (dense), and that they were really getting rather worse. It was still rather confusing, since the master it seemed, performed on them a specific job so as to get them out of their human misery.
It seemed instead that they were rather more arrogant, and some, which I will not mention by name, were sometimes openly hateful towards some abhyasis - enough to be widely unpopular in the movement (humiliation + jealousy = brotherly love? ).
Therefore, there came a time when another hypothesis has made its way into my mind: the mythology of common sense was a mythology. Which meant that either (i) Chari was doing no specific spiritual work on these people in the inner circle so as to make them "evolve" (inability or abuse), and (ii) that he used the most vile characteristics to develop and manage the pyramid of power on top of which he continued to climb ( pushiness, ambition).
But this meant above all else, something even worse: Chari could not be a spiritual master if he had such practices, such tactics and such aims - and although he claims to be the spiritual successor of Babuji, and although he had the support of some Western abhyasis, whom he knew how to manipulate in the 80's and 90's, so as to return to power in India with a legitimate dissidence.
Numbers of "old abhyasis" have deserted the entourage of Chari over time. Most were illustrious unknowns, but some were of stature, and some, not the least, were spoken about in their retreat from the movement with varying degrees of commotion. Invariably, the rumors among the mass of followers, was that these former devotees had all fallen thanks to the media. They had a crisis of ego, and they turned their backs on the Holy Spirit, on God and on His messenger Chari-Saviour.
Myself, when I joined the movement in the late 80s, I was somewhat confused by the unexpected meeting with a preceptor from a group of dissidents a few days after my introductory sittings in Chari's faction ... I found myself accidentally thrown into the heart of the conflict, opponents Chari wanting to tell me nothing, advising me to follow my path, and accepting that I come meditate with them while continuing with Chari's group, and some others telling me that the dissidents did not recognize the new master, and advised me not to go ...
So I took this as an excuse to ask, a few months later, for a personal interview with Chari, and to meet him for the first time. I wanted to ask him some questions, with the idea of the character test, to get an opinion and to choose one group or another. On the point of psychology, Chari had replied "They failed to recognize the Master where he is." - Speaking of the spiritual principle that the Anglo-Saxons call the "holy ghost", the "holy fantasm" or the Holy Spirit.
I was 20, Chari impressed me with the clarity of his thought, the spiritual energy that emanated from him, and the message of the teachings that he made me discover. The dissidents that I knew formed a splinter group, not organized, consisting of ego-centered individuals with a spirituality which seemed to be more of a memory than a powerful stream. I had no experience relevant to my aspiration. In the group of Chari on the contrary, I found an organization rich in potential, a living master who seemed to have backbone, especially, who had the spirit with him. It is this last point that had determined my choice. More precisely, this first meeting with Chari had been foundational. There was no more doubt, no more questions. I had seen the two alternatives, I knew for sure.
The first years were totally carefree. I was carried by my aspiration and the aspiration of the group, a great power prevailed, togetherness was still in the human dimensions and each found its place. Spirituality was at the heart of this beautiful enterprise. We had, at the seminars, three, sometimes four satsanghs per day. Chari came to France several times a year. The spirit was always present and we were immersed in all this joy, this dynamic. It was wonderful.
Over time, the SRCM has become the SRCMtm, a monstrous machine to crush the hearts and souls, a factory to indoctrinate with the sole ambition "A Brave New World" (general trend of global society). Around 1995, I began to realize the shift that had taken place in the organization, I think in the early 90s. In 1997, it was very visible, with the introduction of a new structure and more stringent operating rules for the expansion to come, I began to take real distance, tortured between my unsatisfied desire, my total indoctrination, and incomprehension in the face of the destruction of the soul of the mission which was taking place.
Until 2005, I thought that this destruction was the result of abhyasis and management teams. I trusted in Chari, believing it was a temporary stage in the process, all the energy that was involved in the establishment of the structure but soon, a focus on spirituality would take place. Between 1998 and 2005, I continued my practice with the regular use of individual sittings, but I would not attend the exceptional group meditations.
In 2005, I took stock of the situation as it became clear that my practice was declining more and more. I had to try to revive a practice followed by more and more involvement in the social life of the mission, since the pressure of indoctrination in messages by Chari were having their effect on my thinking.
I went to Italy and to Denmark, two international seminars. What I saw stunned me. A collective madness had infected the masses. The attention was focused not AT ALL on spirituality, but on the purchase of land and buildings for the ashrams, and so on fundraising.
In a seminar, the son of Chari animated the auction of objects and works offered by the abhyasis to the mission. As few participants had come to support the first auction, it was decided to organize the following auction at the time of satsangh, because everyone would be present. It was a scandal. Abhyasis, disgusted, turned on the son of Chari in the discussions which took place the following hours and days. This hated son was an immoral representative, able to exchange the sacred for the profane at very vile prices, to please his father.
At the next seminar, responding to the wave of protests with contempt and arrogance - as usual, it was Chari himself who animated the auctions ...
Doubt was no longer possible, many abhyasis fell from on (their) high, wondering if their idol had not become senile. Still seeking for excuses, I was one of those who assumed that the inner circle of Chari, consisting of the worst social climbers of the mission, had rotted his mind by contaminating him gradually with subversive ideas. At the same time, I saw him host a sale with my own eyes. And I saw a person self-assured, methodical, manipulative, working in full knowledge of what he did and for what purpose, playing with the idolatry of the abhyasis to make them empty their pockets.
So I had at one time or another to go through the full process and test Chari - you know the rest.
Yet could there not be something else behind all these symptoms? Behind this grim reality, sordid, and animalistic?
What if Chari, despite his repeated criminal acts, was a tool of the divine, unconscious, driven from above? And if the spirit of God flowed through him? And if Chari was a master anyway?
I have heard the arguments from one and the many. I saw with my own eyes the one and the many. I lived and I felt. I analyzed and I dis-endoctrinated. I learned the difference between power and spirituality, or at least got some insight so as to know that there is a difference.
And yet, I confess, I never managed to find this certainty, after years of quest that Chari is not a channel.
So I open this section of my blog to officially launch a discussion in which I invite everyone, both from one camp or the other, to make constructed and constructive arguments. This is an important debate, as it aims to (i) confirm or (ii) reject the hypothesis of the dissidents.
If (ii) is correct, it is important that those who were misled by the blogs may have the elements so they can find their way - or rather, to take an informed decision for their own spiritual destiny.
Cricri
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