Wednesday, January 16, 2008

Allegations by Navneet (Babuji's grandson)

This is taken from the site that Navneet created in 2005 called SRCM Shahjahanpur, that is now controlled by Chari's Faction. That site is now non-operational.
This whole matter is now in Supreme Court of India. The "judgement" from Supreme court of India.

YOU READ AND DECIDE IF THESE ALLEGATIONS ARE THE TRUTH or NOT!!

BRIEF FACTS / EVENTS OF SHRI RAM CHANDRA MISSION, SHAHJAHANPUR SUBMITTED TO VARIOUS AUTHORITIES IN THE COUNTRY FOR ACTION

  1. Shri Ram Chandra ji Maharaj also called Babuji takes over from His Guru Lalaji Maharaj in 1931 at the age of 32 and a half years.
  2. Sermons from Shri Ram Chandraji’s Guru Lalaji Maharaj that his successor shall be from His family as per Babuji’s diary dated 24.7.1944. – Proofs available
  3. Shri Ram Chandraji Maharaj establishes Society Shri Ram Chandra Mission as Shahjahanpur, U.P. as headquarters on 21.7.1945. – Proofs available
  4. Constitution of Mission stating that the Successor Representative to be in direct line of succession - Proofs available
  5. In 1974, Babuji was hospitalized in Vivekananda Hospital, Lucknow.
  6. Will of Babuji stating some blank papers signed missing.
  7. Parthasarathi Rajagopalachari of Chennai removed from the post of General Secretary in 1981 – Proofs available
  8. Letter of P. Rajagopalachari to Babuji admitting that he is devoid of spirituality – Proofs available on site.
  9. Letter of nomination of Shri Umesh Chandra Saxena, S/o Babuji as his successor President as per constitution of the Mission – Proofs available on site.
  10. Last letter of Babuji stating attempts to kill by Chari and expecting another attempt on his life.- Proofs available on site. (This letter confirms that nomination to his son Umesh Chandra Saxena seems to be issued)
  11. From September 6th 1982 to April 19, 1983 long hospitalization of Babuji at Delhi in AIIMS and Klinic Helvetia.
  12. Mahasamadhi of Babuji on 19.4.1983.(Left his physical body on this day)
  13. Claim of P. Rajagopalachari as his successor President showing a document. – Proofs available on site.
  14. as nomination dated 23.3.1974 and covering letter dated 19.3.1974
  15. Contents of nomination of Parthasarthi Rajagopalachari states that it is not for presidentship of Shri Ram Chandra Mission.
    • Working Committee Meeting and General Body meetings held on 6th, 7th and 8th February 1984 where Shri Umesh Chandra Saxena was approved as President based on genuine nomination letter and Parthasarathi Rajagopalachari letter stated as forged. – Proofs available on site.
    • In retaliation, Parthasarathi Rajagopalachari forcibly takes over ashram at Hyderabad and occupies Chennai Ashram
    • In 1984-85 forcibly captures ashrams at Visakhapatnam, Nellore and Vadodara.
  16. Chari goes to court in 1983. Trial court rejects his plea for presidentship
  17. Goes to High Court and gets the order of being President. Hon’ble Supreme Court of India refrains Chari from alienating any property and orders trial court to decide within six months. - Proofs available
  18. Court of Shahjahanpur orders – verification of the document of Parthasarathi Rajagopalachari and expert verdicts it to be forged. Proof available
  19. Law of U.P. changes in 1984 – Elections became mandatory in Societies in U.P. Based on which Dr. S.P. Srivastava was elected President to avoid dispute and disintegration of society. – Proofs available
  20. In 1988 Parthasarathi Rajagopalachari and his associates (A.P. Dorai, now retired D.G. Police of Karnataka) forcibly enter Ashram, break opens locks Case pending at Hon. High Court at Allahabad. – Proofs available
  21. In 1990, 1991 SDM Sadar approves the elected office bearers at headquarters, Shahjahanpur represented by Dr. S. P. Srivastava – Proofs available
  22. In 1991, Charis men capture Delhi and Moradabad ashrams.
  23. In 1994, Shri Umesh Chandra Saxena again takes over as elected President. – Proofs available
  24. In 1997, Parthasarathi Rajagopalachari and his associates were charged u/s 498 by District Administration for trying to attack the Ashram, Shahjahanpur headquarters.
  25. During 1996-97 attempts on the life of Shri Umesh Chandra Saxena done.
  26. In 1999, a report of Naib Tehsidar issued based on enquiry by SDM Sadar in a proceedings conducted u/s 25 of the Societies Registration Act, stating Shri Umesh Chandra Saxena as President and Shri K.V. Reddy as Secretary of the Society - Proofs available
  27. In 1999, Shri Umesh Chandra Saxena filed appeal for declaring himself to be president of Society against Parthasarathi Rajagopalachari.
  28. The said appeal was dismissed thereafter challenged before Hon. Supreme Court of India, wherein order granted in favour of Petitioners at preliminary stage and thereafter the SLP converted to Civil Appeal 6619/2000 of which decision is still pending. – Proofs available on net.
  29. In 1999-2000, FCRA issues notices regarding filing of two returns of one society Shri Ram Chandra Mission. Reply submitted by elected President Shri Umesh Chandra Saxena. – Proofs available letter dated 14.6.2000 Proofs available
  30. Enquiry sets up against Parthasarathi Rajagopalachari by FCRA.
  31. P. Rajagopalachari again acting against the rules of the Society by misleading the U.P. Government took loan from the Governor of Uttar Pradesh of Rs.10.00 lakhs and Chief Minister of Uttar Pradesh of Rs.21 lakhs.
  32. Received news of threat of life of Shri Umesh Chandra Saxena around 15th October 2003.
  33. Sudden demise of Shri Umesh Chandra Saxena on 3.11.2003 (Went walking to the hospital lay down on the bed on his own but doctor’s report states that Shri Umesh Chandra Saxena arrived with no pulse !!!!).
  34. On 4.11.2003, Shri Navneet Kumar Saxena is elected as President u/s 3A(4) and Section 4 of the Societies Registration Act 1860 – Proofs available
  35. Letters sent to Chief Secretary, Uttar Pradesh regarding chances of attacks by Parthasarathi Rajagopalachari group on 5.11.2003. Proofs available
  36. Soon after the death of Shri Umesh Chandra Saxena, on 14.11.2003, Shri Puneet Kumar Saxena was threatened on his way to Shahjahanpur from Delhi and a truck came and hit his car head on completely damaged the car thereby.
  37. Parthasarathi Rajagopalachari group headed by his alleged Secretary Uma Shankar Bajpai, Amarjit Singh (now MLA of Samajvadi Party), sitting and retired IAS officers on attacks ashram at headquarters on 7.11.2003 in order to capture it – Proofs available on site
  38. District Magistrate Shahjahanpur pressurizes supervisor grade employee of ashram at headquarters to sing on an illegal arrangement on 8.11.2003 and signed by Shri Kishan Tandon from Parthasarathi Rajagopalachari’s side to allow to enter the Ashram on Sundays between 10.00 AM and 12.00 noon. (under pressure of more than 10 IAS officers sitting and retired, sitting in the room of DM) – Proofs available
  39. In 2003, Society Shri Ram Chandra Mission gets PAN and TAN numbers from Bareilly as Shahjahanpur falls in Bareilly zone. In 2004, a new PAN number is issued from Delhi in the name of the same Society with headquarters Chennai.
  40. In the year 2004 letters were written to Hon. Vice President of India regarding illegal arrangement forced upon the elected Working Committee of the Society. Proofs available
  41. Hon. Vice President directs the representation to The Principal Secretary, Department of Home, Govt. of U.P. (Action still awaited)
  42. Wrote letters to His Highness President of India. He ordered DM to act as per law. Proofs available (No action taken by DM)
  43. Letters to Prime Minister and reply from PMO came after 3 reminders ordering Chief Minister, U.P. for enquiry and report (CM orders further to District Magistrate, Shahjahanpur, Principal Secretary, Department of Home, U.P. and Principal Secretary, Department of Law for ) (Action still pending) Proofs available
  44. On 19.6.2004 and 9.8.2004 an illegal order was passed by Registrar stating that Parthasarathi Rajagopalachari is President of the Society - Proofs available (Case pending at Allahabad High Court for review of order) (Not taken up for over a year)
  45. Influence of Chari on the courts due to presence of retired judges and sitting judges, retired Police officials, businessmen as his Working Committee members. Proofs available
  46. Chari also files fabricated constitution of the Society at Hon’ble Supreme Court of India.
  47. D.M. illegally orders without consideration of our written statements and acting against the provisions of law on 31.3.2006.
  48. On 2nd April 2006, during the illegal arrangement time, (i.e. 10am to 12 noon) about 150 people led by Uma Shanker Bajpai, Retired IG, Retired Justice R.R. K. Trivedi, Retired IAS Prabhat Kumar Sinha, sitting IAS, Pankaj Kumar Sinha and many others including D.M. Office’s staff Shri Ravinder Sinha (stamp clerk) entered the Ashram with arms, and attacked the mother of Shri Navneet Kumar Saxena aged about 60 years and Shri Amresh Kumar, Ashram in charge aged about 65 years in presence of Police and Administrative officers. Proofs available on site (newspaper cuttings) (They were manhandled and mobbed and pushed out of the ashram)
  49. The hurt were taken to District Hospital, Shahjahanpur and given first aid. – Medical Reports annexed – Proofs available on net.
  50. FIR was refused to be lodged by the local police Station, S.P. Office and DM Office (Stating “no one will file your FIR in Shahjahanpur)
  51. High Court quashes the order of DM dated 31.3.2006 and orders to go to lower court for relief. (Even when High Court had the option of deciding on anti status quo order) – Proofs available.
  52. In Lower Court arguments were held on 19th April 2006 for FIR to be registered. Order was passed on 24.4.2006 relying upon order passed by High Court on 25.4.2006 (Case still pending to be taken up).
  53. The date of disposal of the Writ Petition was on 24.4.2006. Thereafter the file was sent to the record room and the copies applied by the petitioners or any other person were delivered by the copying section only when the file after orders were transferred on 25th April 2006. No copies taken by P. Rajagopalachari group but same being deposited on the earlier date i.e. 24.4.2006. (Hearing took place at 1.00 PM on the W.P. filed by us at Allahabad High Court and order sheet was attached at lower court on the same day at 12.00 noon before the first hearing at High Court could take place).
  54. Forcibly taking in possession the licensed gun of Shri Puneet Kumar Saxena, Legal Adviser and Working Committee Member of the Society and S/o Shri Umesh Chandra Saxena, and personal vehicles, property papers, documents of Shri Puneet Kumar Saxena and Smt. Amita Kumari Saxena and the Ashram in charge, Shri Amresh Kumar.

Some misappropriations of Parthasarathi Rajagopalachari during the last 20 years.

  • Taking Trademarks and copyrights in US at California with its headquarters at Chennai, thereby floating a parallel organization.
  • Going against the set up and system laid down by Babuji Maharaj, the Founder President of the Society by
    • Changing headquarters from Shahjahanpur
    • Calling himself as President which is against the Constitution and by laws of the Society.
    • Calling himself as Master which is also against the wishes of Babuji Maharaj and His Guru Lalaji Maharaj as written in Babuji’s diaries.
    • Running the Mission as a commercial organization which is again against the wishes of the Founder President. Babuji made the Mission for the welfare of humanity and to be devoid of commercial activities like building townships, etc.
    • Collecting of funds in the name of Shri Ram Chandra Mission.
    • Writing absurd and obnoxious literature which is against Shri Ram Chandra Mission’s philosophy and preaching.
    • Misappropriations of funds being collected in the name of Shri Ram Chandra Mission by self and his family members in their personal business.
    • Misguiding people at large in the name of spirituality.
    • Attempting on life of Shri Umesh Chandra Saxena and his family members.
    • Repeated threats being received from Parthasarathi Rajagopalachari’s associates.
    • Making another society Sahaj Marg Foundation and collecting funds in that Society in the name of Shri Ram Chandra Mission.
    • Threats being given regularly by Chari and his people on life of family members of Shri Umesh Chandra Saxena. FIR already been lodged with the Police Station at Shri Ram Chandra Mission Thana, Shahjahanpur Proof available.
    • There is a school running by name Babuji Memorial Public School Society, in the premises of Ashram at Shahjahanpur, which has been forcibly closed down by the attackers of cocus group of Chari since 2nd April 2006. (Future of students in vain)
    • Trying to stop this website based on their parallel set up in the same name Shri Ram Chandra Mission registered at California by misguiding NIXI also recently. Arbitrator in the same was appointed against the Arbitration Law of the country. We have requested NIXI and arbitrator to wait until the Hon’ble Supreme Court of India decides the matter and passes order. But we have so far no response. Our complaint is already filed at NIXI. Awaiting response

Statement by legal advisor on SRCM Shahjahanpur:

Who Can be a successor and Spiritual Representative?

Dear Brothers and Sisters,

Shri Ram Chandra Mission was founded by our Revered Master Mahatma Shri Ram Chandraji Maharaj of Shahjahanpur with the blessings of our Aadi Guru Mahatma Shri Ram Chandraji Maharaj of Fatehgarh. The Mission was founded by our Revered Master as per the directions of Pujya Shri Swami Vivekanandji and the constitution, bylaws, Rules and Regulations were laid down and registered as per his will and directions to our Revered Master Mahatma Shri Ram Chandraji Maharaj alias Babuji Maharaj.
The aforementioned Rules and Regulations were registered under the Societies Registration Act, 1860 by our Revered Master wherein the President of the Society would be the spiritual representative in the direct line of succession who shall possess the powers, authority vested upon him to manage, control the affairs of the Society Shri Ram Chandra Mission. The clauses 3(b) and 4 (h) of the registered by laws of Shri Ram Chandra Mission is enumerated below.
3(b) It shall work under the sole guidance and control of the Founder or his Spiritual Representative, in the direct line of succession; and he shall be the President of the Mission.
4(h) He shall nominate among his spiritual successors, any person as his representative, who as such will enjoy all the power and authority vested in the President.
Our beloved Revered Master, Mahatma Shri Ram Chandraji Maharaj as per the aforementioned rules has clearly indicated that his successor spiritual representative shall be the person in the direct line of succession. Babuji Maharaj in his dictation received from Lalaji Maharaj on the 27th day of July 1945 has clearly laid down that the person would be amongst the generations of our Revered Guru and Master Mahatma Shri Ram Chandraji Maharaj only. The manuscripts of the said directions have already been published in the book Divya Adesh Part 2 / Divine Order (Vol. 2) for reference to all abhyasis/ members and to the community at large. Extract from the original diaries of Babuji Maharaj written in Urdu and English is provided for your ready reference as follows:

After the Mahasamadhi of our Revered Master, there existed certain problems in regard to the claim about Presidenship of the Society Shri Ram Chandra Mission. As such, P. Rajagopalachari, one of the disciples of our Revered Master started claiming himself to be the next President after the mahasamadhi of our Master Mahatma Shri Ram Chandraji Maharaj, against the will of Almighty, ultimate power, the legal provisions and against the wishes and will of our Guru Mahatma Shri Ram Chandraji Maharaj vide his false and alleged nomination/ declaration letter dated 23 March 1974.

The Predictions of our Revered Master Pujya Babuji Maharaj in regard to the successor representative in Shri Ram Chandra Mission were cleared vide nomination/ declaration letter dated 16 April 1982 in favour of his son Pujya Shri Umesh Chandraji Maharaj and the acceptance of the same by the Working Committee and General Body of the Society Shri Ram Chandra Mission held on 6th, 7th and 8th February 1984 at the headquarters at Yogashram premises, Misripur Block, Hardoi Road, Shahjahanpur inter alia deciding the rejection of the claim of P. Rajagopalachari for the post of President of the Society after the Maha Samadhi of our Revered Master Mahatma Shri RamChandraji Maharaj alias Babuji Maharaj on 19 April 1983 and declaring and accepting the claim of Pujya Shri Umesh Chandraji Maharaj on the basis of genuine nomination/ declaration letter dated 16.4.1982.

In brief it is necessary to bring to the notice of the abhyasis members of the Mission about the legality of the Successor Representative and also the President of the Society as per the will and wishes of our Master, directions from our Aadiguru Mahatma Shri Ram Chandraji Maharaj of Fatehgarh and the principles laid down by Swami Vivekanandji. There are certain questions which need to be answered about the Successor Representative and the President of the society in regard to present legislative/ legal provisions of law.

Question 1. Who could be the office bearers (inclusive of President) of the Society?

Answer: As per the Section 3A(4) and Section 4 of Societies Registration Act, applicable to the state of Uttar Pradesh, the elected Managing Body shall be the office bearers of the Society after the amendment in provisions of law vide U.P. Act 11 of 1984 with effect from 30.4.1984 for renewal of registration of any Society. As such after the Mahasamadhi of our Founder President Mahatma Shri Ram Chandraji Maharaj, Pujya Shri Umesh Chandraji Maharaj was declared as the nominated President vide nomination/ declaration letter dated 16 April 1982 and later on after the change in law vide UP Act 11 of 1984 with effect from 30.4.1984 he was unanimously declared and accepted as the President of the Society in accordance with Section 3 A (4) of Societies Registration Act.

As such, in regard to the afore mentioned facts, the claim of P. Rajagopalachari is not sustainable in the eye of law.

Question 2: By the will of our Revered Master Mahatma Shri Ram Chandraji Maharaj whether P. Rajagopalachari can be President of the Society?

Answer: No. The following are the reasons in regard to the rejection of the claim of P.Rajagopalachari in consideration to the legal and factual aspects.
(i) Alleged Nomination letter dated 23 March 1974 is false and a forged document due to the following grounds.
(a) The nomination letter dated 23 March 1974 is accompanied with a covering letter dated 19 March 1974 which clearly proves the authenticity of the document and the aforesaid document is a result of forgery.
(b) The registered will of Founder President our beloved Guru Mahatma Shri
Ram Chandraji Maharaj dated 30th December 1976 clearly states that the aforementioned nomination could have been made from the lost blank signed papers by Babuji Maharaj. As such the aforementioned nomination of P. Rajagopalachari is the result of the aforementioned blank papers.
(c) Further there are reports by two document experts namely Shri A.K. Chatterjee and Smt Brija Bala Thakur stating the aforementioned nomination of P. Rajagopalachari is a result of forgery.
(ii) Babuji Maharaj has also made it clear vide His last private and confidential letter dated 2.9.1982 written to one of his disciples Shri M.D. Jahgirdar inter alia stating
"I am given to understand here that Mr.P. Rajagopalachari has been conducting meetings with the foreign Abhyasis that he is going to be next President and the Master may not survive now. I still do not know who has declared him? These are the things which are depressing me and I see the present condition of the Mission today."
As such in consideration to the aforementioned reasons P. Rajagopalachari can never become the President of the Society.

Question 3 Whether any person can declare/ nominate/ make a will in favour of any person who has attempted on the life of any person bequeathing the rights.

Answer: No
It is to bring to the notice amongst all the abhyasis of the fact that there have been several attempts on the life of our Revered Master and Guru since 1974 by P. Rajagopalachari whereby P. Rajagopalachari succeeded in his final attempt by poisoning our Guru Pujya Babuji Maharaj while traveling from Paris to India. Thereafter Babuji Maharaj took Mahasamadhi on 19.4.1983.
As such, P. Rajagopalachari can neither be the Successor Representative nor the President of Society and he is liable to be convicted for the murder of our Revered Guru Mahatma Shri Ram Chandraji Maharaj. In regard to the aforementioned facts about attempts, the last letter dated 2.9.1982 by our Founder President and beloved Revered Master Babuji Maharaj is a strict proof and evidence.

Further Babuji in the letter dated 2.9.1982 has also stated that he has nominated the Successor Representative and the said secret was also revealed to Shri M. D. Jahgirdar only. Extract of the letter is enumerated below for your ready reference.

"I want to reveal one more secret which is fetal to the Mission is that I have already nominated my Successor President and the letter to this effect has already been issued, the person is from the direct line of succession and this is the wish of my Master."

The above letter has already been published in our Patrika earlier.

Question 4 Whether any person can be the PRESIDENT of Society against the provisions of Societies Registration Act applicable to the State of Uttar Pradesh.

Answer: NO
That in consideration to the provisions of law Pujya Shri Umesh Chandraji Maharaj could be the only President of Society and thereafter His Mahasamadhi, Shri Navneet Kumar Saxena shall be the President of the Society in accordance with Section 3A(4) and Section 4 of the Societies Registration Act. As such, the claim of P. Rajagopalachari on the basis of nomination at present as the nominee President is against the provisions of law and the same shall be rejected and such contention as such is not sustainable in the eye of law.

Question 5. Whether the direction/ orders laid down by our Guru Pujya Babuji Maharaj be disobeyed?

Answer:
No
It is the bounden duty of our abhyasi brothers and sister to follow the directions laid down by our beloved Babuji Maharaj.
As such as per the will and wishes of our Guru Mahatma Shri Ram Chandraji Maharaj, Pujya Shri Umesh Chandraji Maharaj can only be the President of the Society and thereafter his son Shri Navneet Kumar Saxena can only be the President which could be the evident from the wordings / narration in the nomination letter dated 16 April 1982 bequeathed the rights of the Successor Representation in favour of Pujya Shri Umesh Chandraji Maharaj and thereafter the rights being bequeathed as per the will of Pujya Shri Umesh Chandraji Maharaj inter alia stated as the order by the Founder President and the aforesaid will of Babuji Maharaj deems to be supported by his literature. Extract of the nomination / declaration letter dated 16 April 1982 is given below:

"….. including the wishes and blessing of the Almighty and that of my Samarth Guru Shri Ram Chandraji Maharaj of Fatehgarh, do hereby nominate my spiritual representative as also my son Shri Umesh Chandra Saxena as Successor President of Shri Ram Chandra Mission Shahjahanpur, with liberty to him, to further nominate his successor President of Shri Ram Chandra Mission with the condition that the person so nominated by him as his successor President of the said Mission must be his spiritual representatives in his direct line of succession…. … Previous nomination if any, made by me, shall stand superceded and cancelled."
As such, I would conclude by giving my opinion in regard to the Successor Representative and President that P. Rajagopalachari can never become the President of Mission and in consideration to the factual and legal position of law. Further the aforementioned questions and answers would make it easier to decide for each and every abhyasi / member of the Society on his own that who could be the Successor Representative as per the will of our beloved Master Pujya Babuji Maharaj.

25 comments:

Anonymous said...

dear mr navneet ,

u r so degraded by mind that i can just pray for u to god that He give u the wisdom to understand and see that by doing such a degraded work u r harming urself and your forthcoming generations.no one can even imagine that u belongs to rev babujis family. i m pity for u.may god bless u with lot of wisdom.

Anonymous said...

Dear Mr Navneet

I also pray to God to give you some wisdom to come out of your ignorance.

Anonymous said...

Dear Navneet,

I see no difference between Master or Babuji maharaj or Lalaji Maharaj, as all three are the same.

There is no dispute that Chariji is the only true Master of this universe, as per my current spiritual state.

I pray to Master to forgive you and help you to assimilate the constant grace showered by him in your heart.

Wake up brother, Only in this life you know you are here amidst him in the next who knows.

4d-Don said...

4d-Don said...

Hi Anonymous...

As I know you, I will be discreet...

If you see not difference between these three "men", then you do not see and need to "open the eyes" and see. No one can open your eyes for you. Lalaji was not Babuji...Chari is not Babuji. They don't even teach the same "lessons" or methods. They are also not on the same path. One is more "material" than the other Two... One has served the "gods of money, power, materiality for most of his life, and one was a "clerk".

MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE is a bit megalomaniac... We live on little planet EARTH in a GAlaxy we call the Milky Way...that is not the UNIVERSE... LET us rid ourselves of EGO, please before we preach SPIRIT. The other RELIGIONS will not appreciate that statement, speceially those who serve the "SON OF GOD"... ;-)) How will your spirituality UNITE these DIVIDED RELIGIONS...Now Sahaj Marg is just another DIVISION thinking that the UNIVERSE belongs to THEM!.. Sound Familiar??

Your Master is busy building Ashrams and has no time for 'SPIRIT" or for compassion for others who may be suffering as your Master has allegedly stolen the family ASHRAM and is allegedly corrupting the teachings of their ANCESTOR....Wether this is true or not, compassion towards others should still be an imperative for a SPIRITUAL MASTER. Is Chari that "compassionate" person? Are you?

WAKE UP BROTHER...AND OPEN THE EYES AND SEE... We are here inside the ONE...and Chari is also inside the ONE...that is the only spiritual status of MORTALS...to be INSIDE the ONE, taking pleasure from "sucking" from the UNIVERSAL ENERGY, not CREATING IT... ONCE your Master shows the COMPASSION he created for others,then we will be able to say that he created a lasting GIFT, not just corruptible "material" structures that will not last a century...

PS..Navneet does not read this site often...to communicate with Navneet, go to: (Comments only)

http://tmtindia.blogspot.com/2007/01/justice-should-be-for-all-not-only-for.html

4d-don...

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Anonymous said...

what to say ........



you the people are misleading the world....

you have such feelings for the person who says mr. umesh as ' guru bhai'


may master bless you...

4d-Don said...

Hi anonymous...

I will tell you what to say: THANK YOU!

You "the people" now have all the information from all sides so as to make your "informed" decision about what you want to do. Neither side will give you the complete TRUTH from all sides... We are doing that... In the Age of INFORMATION, Knowledge is BLIND and one should get one's information from many sources so as to be able to find out the REAL TRUTH.

We are reporting from all SOURCES who will make their information available to us... And it seems that there are many who are will to speak out about the "tactics" of Chari and and his "gang" at SRCM(Californai-1997).

I am not a fan of any of you "adherents to fantasies" and bad-mouthers of all other "isms" but your own. I try to educate the "others" by presenting all the sides to the issue. You are simply another bunch of "holier that thou", with another "special Person" and a "unique" method that is not so unique and not so SPECIAL as we find out.

Do not have those with 'mental problems" and who are prone to depressions and suicide, "transmit" to your receptive heart (or your whole person) and expect to not become depressed, suicidal, and even to show the intellectual signs of "mental problems" such as believing in fantasies, and messages from the "spirits of the dead", or that a person will "save" you so you can enter the Brighter World, on the "other side"...

Chari's side is on his "PR" sites where he apparently thinks and states that he will go to VENUS after his death so as to do the work of the MISSION there (as ordered by Babuji??) ... And you believe that?? ... and he refuses to communicate with us whom he calls: the "enemies of spirituality" ... Now there is a "holy man", eh? He will lead you to ONE or ONE-ness or UNITY? He can't even unite with the family of the founder of the SOCIETY he has allegedly "stolen". Are all the others "liars"?

But there are some things that your Master does (re-register the SRCM in California) and says about other religions and other people, around which you should question his morality and ethics and his claim to represent the ONE ... or to lead others to ONE-ness!

Read the last blog by the Dean of NaqshMuMRa Sufi Order, the grandson of Lalaji, Dinaysh Kumar Saxena: Epitome for Sahaj Marg, on this blog...

Lalaji was not, according to him a guru of Sahaj Marg... Can you expect to manipulate history that way and not have others "EXPOSE" such lies and deceptions for the sake of building an empire on the shoulder of a "usurped" SAINT...

That is what the "roman emperor" Constantine did with the little "jesus movement" in the 4 th century... and then we wonder why the corruption and the endless wars, and horrors that emanates from RELIGIONS... Many seem to be born of of "immorality, lack of ethics and plain old "criminality".

You are most welcome even though you are not a "grateful" person... but you are not ready for "ONE-ness"!!

Soon you will find a source to ONE that is "SPIRITUAL" in REALITY, and one which is not SPIRITUALISM with "autonomous egregores", and messages from the spirits of the deceased ... And SPIRITUALITY will leave you FREE and will hone you intellectual attributes such as logic, and it will not demand your blind OBEDIENCE to a MAN, a METHOD or a MISSION...


Don...

deepak said...

Dear Brother Navneet,
Do u really have capbility to induce a spiritual experience which anyone who come in contact with rev.Chariji gets.If yes then off cource you can be acepted as Guru.
Eventhough all the machinary and the set of SRCM at Shahajahanpur was with you why you all are unable to succeed in spreading the teachings which Chriji has been able to do during his lifetime.
You may he had money to do all that stuff ,but dear freind everyone knows if you are master then money is worldy matter and you could have organised by just power of thgought.
Evenafter a long struggle by all of you why there is no following for all of you.
Its in the interest of the preachings by rev master Babuji you should reconcile with master Chariji...Sahajmarg is worldwide phenomenon....for just having a ctaving for worldly desires stop all this and join the mainstream ...let us all fulfill the dreams of babuji Maharaj...i am sure master will forgive all of you...
DEEPAK PATIL
(deepakfrompune@gmail.com)

4d-Don said...

Hi Deepak...

The ability to spread the "news" or the teaching of anything is a material event and not a spiritual one.

In the Christian religion, that is equivalent to thinking that Paul, who like Chari was an organizer and a businessman, and never met Jesus but was an enemy of the early Christians, having organized the stoning to death of Stephen, took over the small "Jesus movement", and modified it to make it more acceptable to the Modern "non-jewish" man ... (Just like Chari)... That led to the emperor Constantine to make Christianity the State Religion and the horrors began and those who opposed it were ritually "tortured and martyred (murdered)" until the recent (modern) era ... the Age of REASON ... when finally in Europe, the Church lost some of it's secular power ...

Organization and the MIND do not make a SPIRITUAL movement but a "material" and dual or "divisive" movement ...

Thanks for your comments...

Don...

Anonymous said...

Hi Don/Navneet

I am a recent abhiyasi of Sahaj Marg. When I was googling on Sahaj Marg, I had come across your blog. Am really impressed by the elaborate detail and your crucifixion of the Sahaj Marg.
I am not sure about the authenticity of your website but what i had noticed in Sahaj Marg, is that there is lot of hoopla about ashrams,retreat centres and that the books are priced exorbitantly.I hope people dont cheat each other in the name of GOD

Anonymous said...

Hi Anonymous...

A more accurate metaphorical description of what we did (and are still continuing to do), was to take the "nails" out of our crucified hands and feet, as our partners and "supposed" BROTHERS and SISTERS proceeded to divide and continue to divide our families, our friends and societies in our towns and even at the heart of Sahaj Marg itself, and we placed those "nails" where they belong, condemning the one and ones who "first" used the crucifying nails of division ... We,, the victims of fantasy and religion, are fighting back, and have now become the "hammer" as in the song "I'd rather be a hammer than a nail" sung by Simon and Garfunkel "El condor pasa" (IF I COULD) Words by Paul Simon, music by Daniel Alomias Robles.

See here: http://www.guntheranderson.com/v/data/elcondor.htm

They (Chari and clan) claim to bring "Brotherhood" (for free) but in reality, sell "divisions"...

Even inside "corrupt" religions such as "The HOLY ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH", there are some honest but "naive" people who support that corrupt structure under the guise that it does some good... Somewhere!!!

I am not that naive anymore and those structures built by the same (type of) developers who created this polluting Industrial society we now live in, I will not fund nor support... I don't try to crucify or eliminate them, but to Make available in one place, the WHOLE Story and to get our governements to take away their "tax-exempt" status under heading of charity under the heading of "education" ... WE know the promotion that SRCM (California-1997) is trying to claim is the truth, and now we also know that there are many of us who call it a "lie" and a forgery of history. Their history is a drama and a tragedy of opportunism and profiteering, with a very little "spiritualism" and not much SPIRITUALITY at all...

It (Chari's Sahaj Marg) does not have much philosophy, and a flawed theology, and resembles more and more the religions that it claims to want to replace...

Thanks for your input... Sleep with one eye open from now on ... Until you also refuse to support that divisive "materialism" that masquerades as "spirituality", and like us, leave The "CULTS"...

Don...

Anonymous said...

My Brother don/Brother Navneet

i am really surprised to see all this. they say when flame is there it will automatically attract moth. why you people are having so much hatrade for a person who has helped your father ( br umesh) in his lifetime. Why ? such a un-gratrful attitude. This is a mere human quality and you are not even ready to do that and you claim yourself as the spiritual successor. i am with Sahaj marg from the last 22 years and not a single bad word i have heard from Rev. Chariji about you or Br. Umesh. think on this. not a single word he has spoken against you in public. do not you think this is something you must think upon. even after so much un-necessary thing you are mentioning on web, he has a feeling of concern and love for you, that is real quality of saint not the cheap language and baseless things you are writing here. if u have courage pl. post this. i pray for you.secondly you seems more interested in doing harm for others than what u can contribute positive for the people. for God sake pl. stop this. do not come to spirituality if you are not in agreement but pl. do not forget basic human qualities. i hope we are not asking too much from you.

Rajesh

4d-Don said...

Hi Rajesh...

As you say, we, the "fire" in your metaphor, seem to attract the Sahaj Marg(tm) moths (you?) ...

I believe that Chari has bad-mouthed every other religion, and every culture, specially the western secular cultures that has given the world the technological revolution, the electrical revolution, the electronics revolution and the information revolution which we now all benefit from. All this FREEDOM of the secular sciences was taken from the RELIGION and their myths that have emprisoned the minds of HUMANS for millenia. That FREEDOM was gained at the cost of the blood of some of our "enlightened" scientists.

There is as much "Materiallism" and "corruption" and division in India and in Sahaj Marg(tm) as there is in western religions and in western secular culutures.

Even though you have never heard Chari speak any bad word towards Umesh, does not mean he did not speak the words. And, as the Mafia boss, who does not mention the name of his "problem", all the hacks and henchmen who do the "evil deeds", know what the Boss means. Umesh was poisoned according to his son... Is that also not TRUE according to you?

I think that "ungrateful" is what Chari has done to Babuji's teachings... not to speak of what they (both of them... Babuji and Chari), and their "Spiritualism" have done to Lalaji and his SPIRITUALITY, his SUFI teachings!!

You are not trying to suggest that to re-register the SRCM in California, in 1997, is an "honourable" deed are you?? Do you suggest that modus operandi for the rest of the world? The thief does not speak loudly and tries to avoid those who would point at him, but the victim only has his words to expose the thief... if the law in "corrupt India" and the world can't correct such immorality and lack of ethics, legally...

It sure shows that someone (all of you) seem to be addicted to Material and POWER, and spirituality is not your main goal, but it is just a facade... Maybe to "conquer the world" for INDIA ... sort of like the NATIONALISM of every other megalomaniacal Master of the Universe...

You all have shown the world the level of your SPIRITUALITY and it is not as impressive as you seem to think. Some of us certainly don't think so ...

What we are trying to do is to warn all others to BEWARE of those who act and speak like Chari and claim to be a Master of Spirituality ...

We are SPIRIT... we don't have to come or to become SPIRITUAL as you seem to think you are...

It is not those who say: "Lord, Lord" who are saints or who will enter the religious mythic "heaven" or your Brighter World ...

It is not those who gaze at their navels or imagine a MATERIAL light in their heart who are TRULY SPIRITUAL ... WE are all SPIRIT or none of us are SPIRIT ... like it or not ...

Preach in front of your Mirror and not at those who realize SPIRIT and who live at the poverty level so as to not take from the next generations ...

Have you heard Chari call us: the "enemies of Spirituality"?

Have you heard what he says about the "homosexuals"? comparing them to dogs?

Have you heard him call Hindus "CORRUPT", the Catholics "Liars"?

He does not dare insult the MUSLIMS for obvious reasons ...

Sahaj Marg(tm) is just another form of illegal "IMMIGRATION", and it has become a tool of invasion of commercial markets and countries, by Nationalists ...

Go and meditate and stop trying to conquer the world ... and don't preach at us ... none of you are MASTERS, as your ego is showing and you desire adoration and the material ... not SPIRIT, or you would stay close to your nature in your own nation and relate to the SPIRIT that (not "who") dwells EVERYWHERE!!

Don...

Anonymous said...

after all this trouble u have taken to post the details and also the information you have gathered you have been able to prove nothing outside this blog, in the real world.

if everything u said was clear and u are truthful to what you have put up here, things would have happened long long ago.

i have read ur replies DON its impressive, if you were really this good in applying in your real life, i should guess u would have been in a much higher state spiritually, and mature mentally.

its always individual development that is to be focused, so instead of my life or his life or others lives, its good to follow what you believe accordingly in your life.

hope the one whom u believe with truth and love and if he is capable he shall guide you and you will excel.

all the very best :)

4d-Don said...

Hi anonymous...

Since I believe in ONE, the ONE-ness of ALL, then I am safe... And ONE is not a "he", but IT could be SHE/HE/IT (or Sheeet, Shit, etc...), or ALL genders... also IT is EVERYWHERE so I don't have to go to Mecca, Jerusalem, Rome or India to find IT... IT is is Everywhere.

And IT is EVERYTHING and EVERYWHEN, what I call the E-Trinity.

I don't bow to MEN anymore... for my DIVINE... I don't worship the self-appointed "representatives" anymore but go DIRECTLY to the SOURCE...

You can do that too...

Leave those who preach about racism but are "racists".

Leave those who preach tolerance and love but are intolerant of our HOMOSEXUAL brothers and sisters.

Leave those who preach SPIRIT but are "MATERIALISTS". Those who are the kings of Industry, and devote their lives to making money from Pharmaceuticals (Kamlesh Patel), Plastics (Chari), or the secular courts (Babuji), and who promote and sell the rest of the MATERIAL ... (Chari's son, Krishna, owns at least 5 houses if we believe some "abhyasis". Santosh owns hotels and restaurants, malls, etc...

Go to SIMPLICITY not to WEALTH to find SPIRIT...

The materialists are not punished by GOD, for their materialism, as they seem to preach at you ... Nature will eventually erode the material... We pray that SPIRIT has a longer half-life... but it is all "HOPE"...

May you find what you seek... If it is SPIRIT, there is a saying in FRENCH :

On ne cherche pas midi a quatorze heures...

(one (the wise man?) does not search for noon at fourteen o'clock (2:00 PM) ...

Don ...

s.sowmya said...
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4d-Don said...

Hi S. Sowmya...

Please read the statements from Babuji's grandsons above... Babuji is just in "your mind"... and the messages "invented" from an anonymous Lady Medium claiming to channel "spirits" from the other world does not make it a TRUTH!! It's simply an allegation or a "claim" ... She also channels Chari's mother, Chari's wife, Lalaji, some "beings of light" and "other" elevated souls... (many of her "spirits" don't have names.... Be careful of the anonymous SPIRITUALISTS who channel anonymous "spirits"....Don't believe without having some evidence ... The oath of a Medium does not have much credibility... specially when she is "anonymous" ...

Can your Master, Chari not talk with Babuji directly?? Can YOU?? Do you all need a lowly "spiritualist" circus act to act as a go-between? How un-spiritual!! Spiritualism is not spirituality!! look up the difference in the dictionary!!

Thanks for your comment....

Now read the article.... and try to understand that it comes from the grandson of Babuji ...


Don ...

s.sowmya said...

sir,
i m sahajmarg abyasee of ramchandra mission , our master is there with us to get back our ashram from the control of chariji. he is there in every step of us and give us sucess.


sowmya

4d-Don said...

Hi Sowmya...

Sorry I mis-understood... My bad!!

Good luck getting back the "material" that is now controlled by the "materialists" ...

If Babuji is ONE SPIRIT (not "a" spirit among many as in "spiritualism") then he is ONE part of the SPIRIT UNIVERSE that is at the core of the CREATION ...

i.e.: one peel of the onion is the material, one peel is the Mind, and the ONE-ness (Wholeness) peel is SPIRIT ... The higher the vibrational frequency of the "state" the more it encompasses of the other grosser levels.

Without becoming a materialist, the control of matter will remain with the grosser levels ... it will not be controlled by the subtler levels except from a distance, or in the MIND ...

SPIRIT simply IS... SPIRIT does not DO!! SO learn humility...

P.S. Whatever happened to Babuji's grandsons? Their sites are now "off-line"... Are they being lured (or threatened) by Chari and the materialists (businessmen, lawyers, industrialists, criminals, etc...?)

Thanks for the clarification...

Don...

Rajesh Saxena said...

Gr8 discussions... keep it up guys... now what is the point you guys are trying to bring out?

Rajesh Saxena said...

Dear Mr. Navneet, what is the position as of now? hope you are proceeding in positive direction?

Rajesh Saxena said...

Dear Mr. Navneet, how is it going? hope you are progressing in a positive direction?

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

Dear brother Navneet,

All the brothers and sisters are meditating and progressing and we believe that all the three masters and our current master are great inspirations for us to help progress forward.
I feel you are not meditating properly and you are regressing spiritually. If you are matured enough and want to progress spiritually, join Sahaj Marg. We are taught to love and not to hate or carry grudges. :)

/Suki Manik

Inder singh said...

I do not know who is right and who is wrong but i want to know what spritual activities being done by Babujis successors i.e Mr Navneet Kumar . Is there any site from where I can get the information in this regard. I have also read about Sh Ram Singh Ranoji Ramashram Satsang Shyam Nagarand Saint Ram Singh of Manoharpur Rajasthan and they follow Lalaji teaching without any conflict. There may be one or more deciples of one Guru doing the work separatly.