Taken from a comment by Alexis on Elodie's Blog in France: Pour Que Vive le Sahaj Marg
Alexis Said:
Interesting! This confirms that Chari was manipulating behind the scenes so as to take the limelight in 1982 when Babuji had demoted him ...
However, it was already well understood and it is unfortunate that the evidence should not be more specific about what really happened after the death of Babuji.
Once again, they obscure the meeting of July 1983 and they go directly to the conclusions of February, 1984. Why?
No, all members of the working committee did not reject the appointment of Chari to the presidency in 83. KC Narayana and (sister) Kasturi accepted him! And Umesh had not been designated in 83 ...
I invite you to read my questions about this period of 1982-84, they remain intact:
See Alexis' blog: Le Projet Sahaj Marg
http://questcequelesahajmarg.blogspot.com/2008/03/5.html
Since Shashwat is interviewing old preceptors of Sahaj Marg, I invite him to examine specifically the timing of these 3 crucial years, and the decisions taken at each event.
This would provide concrete evidence and not merely subjective positions that one expects to read from those opposed to Chari.
It would also be interesting if he could interview SP Srivastava, KC Narayana, or SA Sarnad.
As for the testimony of Dinaysh Kumar Saxena, it tells us little except the talent of Shashwat to have him say what he wants to hear.
A little more rigor would not be in-appropriate. The testimony would then be strengthened. Here they appear highly questionable ...
Monday June 29 11:14:00 AM
Tuesday, June 30, 2009
Sunday, June 28, 2009
Chari and SRCM (California - 1997) Exposed AGAIN!!
Shri Ram Chandra Mission - 1980 - Present
See the latest installment of the many exposés of the "un-friendly (hostile?) take over" of the Shri Ram Chandra Mission by a group of businessmen led by Chari. Headquartered in Chennai, India but registered in San Luis Obispo, California, USA in 1997, the SRCM (California-1997) is operating a parallel society to the original Shri Ram Chandra Mission, Shahjahanpur, founded by Babuji in 1945, and registered in India.
In this latest article (June 28, 2009), there are many new interviews by old preceptors, and close associates of Babuji, including some "founding members" of the Society in India. Some were on and even organized Babuji's last tour of Europe and specifically the Paris, France seminar which was where the alleged "nasty deeds" took place and the divisions among the various groups came to the forefront. It now seems that all want to SPEAK OUT!!
See this latest article (June 28, 2009) and much more at: Shri Ram Chandra Mission 1980 - Present, by Shashwat Pandey
See the latest installment of the many exposés of the "un-friendly (hostile?) take over" of the Shri Ram Chandra Mission by a group of businessmen led by Chari. Headquartered in Chennai, India but registered in San Luis Obispo, California, USA in 1997, the SRCM (California-1997) is operating a parallel society to the original Shri Ram Chandra Mission, Shahjahanpur, founded by Babuji in 1945, and registered in India.
In this latest article (June 28, 2009), there are many new interviews by old preceptors, and close associates of Babuji, including some "founding members" of the Society in India. Some were on and even organized Babuji's last tour of Europe and specifically the Paris, France seminar which was where the alleged "nasty deeds" took place and the divisions among the various groups came to the forefront. It now seems that all want to SPEAK OUT!!
See this latest article (June 28, 2009) and much more at: Shri Ram Chandra Mission 1980 - Present, by Shashwat Pandey
Tuesday, June 23, 2009
Transcript of Interview (Part 4) with Dinaysh Kumar Saxena
Taken from Shashwat's Blog: The Cult of Sahaj Marg (Shree Ram Chandra Mission)
See: Translation of Article of Dinaysh Kumar Part 4 (June 19, 2009)
4d-don'd Comments are in "red"
Shashwat Said:
In this part of the interview, Dinaysh Kumar (Saxena) reveals (the fact?) that Chari charges Rs 300/- per sitting (Transmission) from abhyasis, he also reveals that P. Rajagopalachari is always surrounded and protected by criminals and those wanted by the law, the manager of Babuji Memorial Ashram in Chennai is (allegedly) the top notch criminal of Tamil Nadu.
He further states that anyone who leaves Sahaj Marg is threatened by goons of Chari, and anyone who expresses his/her desire to leave the cult of Sahaj Marg is threatened with dire consequences.
Dinaysh kumar also expressed that he is afraid that he may also meet the same consequence which was met by his childhood friend, Umesh Chandra Saxena (Un-natural death), as he had left the cult of Sahaj Marg. (Umesh was the son of the Founder of SRCM (Shahjahanpur - 1945), and Sahaj Marg, Ram Chandra of Shahjahanpur (Babuji))
I am working on preparing the translated transcript of these interviews, which will be uploaded here.
Now, here is: The Interview With Dinaysh Kumar Saxena, (Part 4)
Dinaysh Kumar Saxena is the Dean of the NaqshMuMRa Order of Sufism, and owner of NaqshMuMRA Nexus site.
Me:-Namaskar, I am Shashwat
Dinayshji:- Namaskar brother
M:- Did you speak to Navneetji yesterday?
D:- Yes, I spoke to him, and I have invited him to pay me a visit, like he is visiting his own home, I told him that I am a sick man, and cannot travel, actually I regretted about the fact that I could not visit them when his father expired, I should have gone there, but I was not able to visit them due to my bad health, if my health was good, I would have gone there myself, we can rectify the mistakes of past now.
M:- I also spoke to Anitaji, his mother
D:- Who?
M:- Anitaji, Navneetji’s mother, she said that she knows you quite well, and she has visited your place many times in past.
D:- Yes Yes, she has come to our place many times in past, they are my family members.
M:- They were upset because you joined Chariji group.
D:- No No, I did not go there, Umeshji himself stop visiting me, I did not go anywhere, he was under misconception that I have joined Chari’s group, actually this is Lalaji’s home, and anyone can come here, if you come to my home I will not stop you, suppose you come here, and there is some enemy of yours if he thinks that I have joined your group, then it is wrong, anyone can come to this place, I will not oppose anyone nor does it mean that if someone is coming here then I have sided with them, this is no(t) politics, this is a spiritual society.
M:- I have uploaded our yesterdays communication on internet, and I heard it myself, there is one point which I noticed, you said that there are some people who charge money per sitting.
D:- Money was asked from me, they asked me to pay.
M:- Ok, you were asked to pay money!!
D:- Yes, they asked me to pay money.
M:- I could not understand this, can you please elaborate more.
D:- Yes, I will repeat again, they asked me to pay money, it happened like this, last time when Chariji’s birthday function was held at Tirupur, this time also it is going to happen in Tirupur, but last time when this function was held, I visited Tirupur, and soon after function, there was guru purnima, since my son is also living there, I was at his home, but because his in-law’s were also there at that time, and his house was not big, so I decided to stay in the ashram, so that there is no problems to the guests, so I got written permission from Chariji and booked myself a room in the ashram, before anyone can live there, one has to do the registration, so when I went there for registration, I was asked to pay 300 Rs per head, I asked them what should I pay money for? Because lodging and food is suppose to be free, at this he said, this is for donation, I told him that my financial condition is not good, therefore I cannot pay any donation, at this he asked me who has given you permission to stay here for 15 days? I told him that Chariji has given me permission to live here for 15 days free of cost, he threw that letter and said that you will not be allowed to enter into meditation hall till you do not pay Rs 300, what does it mean?
M:- Ok so, only those people can enter into meditation hall who pay 300 Rs!!
D:- Yes, he said if you don’t pay money how will expenditure here taken care of? Even the local people there who neither drink tea nor do they eat food, even they also have to pay 300 Rs to enter into meditation hall. This money was taken forcefully, those who do not pay this money their entry was restricted,
M:- Ok, Chariji’s sitting costs Rs 300 per head (laugh)
D:- Yes, I left it then and there itself, I don’t know if they charge money for sitting even now or not.
M:- (laugh) You have informed us a very interesting aspect, that Chari’s sitting costs Rs 300.
D:- I have heard that even in Shahjahanpur and everywhere else, Chariji charge 300 Rs per head for one sitting.
M:- Ok.
D:- They treated me very badly, and that’s why I have left that group.
M:- Who was that person who asked you to pay money for each sitting? Do you know his name?
D:- I am going to tell you that only, when they stoped me from getting into the meditation hall, I sent an SMS to Chariji and all other functionaries of Sahaj Marg, from my mobile, they all came to say sorry to me, but no-body asked as who was that person who was taking money from everyone who was going for registration or was entering into meditation hall. When there was a function next time, then it was announced formally that everyone will have to pay money for sitting, this was announced by their ashram manager N. Prakash, and Chariji did not counter this announcement, in a way he second this announcement, this was his plan.
M:- N. Prakash?
D:- Yes, he was backed by Chariji.
M:- So this was announced that anyone who is entering into the meditation hall will have to pay 300 Rs?
D:- Yes anyone who is entering there.
M:- So kind of an entry pass?
D:- No, No, this was not a pass, there was no receipt.
M:- Ok, there was no receipt, it was totally black money?
D:- There is no receipt, if income tax department looks at this, they will be astonished, there is one register, where name and amount paid is written, this money is not accounted, there are many CA’s there, but all this money which is taken forcefully there is no receipt and is totally un-accounted for.
M:- Ok, thats interesting.
D:- Food they say is free, but there is nothing free there, they charge money for everything, they give receipt only for donation.
M:- Ok, they give receipt for all the donations received.
D:- Yes, only for formal donations, but all other money which they charge, this money is unaccounted.
M:- Ok, are you in touch with these people now? When was last time you spoke to them?
D:- That was the last time I had talked to them 2 yrs back, after that I have never visited them, and I am not in touch with them thereafter.
M:- Ok so you have got nothing to do with Chariji since last two years.
D:- He visited Fatehgarh recently but they did not bother to meet me, he, his secretary U.S Bajpai and many more people visited here, but they did not visited my place, I have invited them also, but they were not interested in visiting my home or Lalaji’s Samadhi.
M:- Do you know U.S bajpai? (Secretary of SRCM)
D:- Yes I know him very well, he retired from Kanpur.
M:- Do you know his son, (name blanked out)?
D:- Yes I know him also, there is no-one whom I don’t know.
M:- In that case you might be knowing his wife (name blaked out) also.
D:- Yaa I know them all.
M:- What type of people are they? (name blanked out) and his wife (name blanked out)?
D:- How can I tell what is inside them? I am not an astrologer..
M:- What is your perception about them?
D:- See they don’t abuse me, but their perception is not good..
M:- Ok, can you elaborate more about (name blanked out) and his wife (name blanked out) ?
D:- He is very degraded type of a person, very low level..
M:- (name blanked out) ?
D:- Yes, he is banned from entering into Chennai ashram..
M:- (name blanked out) ?
D:- Yes, he is the only son of U.S Bajpai, he is bad character man, Chariji saw many of his bad acts, and that’s why he has banned him from entering into Chennai ashram.
M:- He is a preceptor?
D:- Yes, he is a very bad character man, and that’s why he is banned there.
M:- What does it mean that he is of bad character?
D:- I have not seen it myself, nor he has misbehaved with any women from my family, but there are people who have seen him doing that, and that’s why he has been banned from entering into Chennai Ashram, his daughter is studying there in Lalaji Memorial School, but he is not allowed to visit her, U.S. Bajpai visits her sometimes.
M:- Ok, fair enough
D:- So you please convince Aanitaji and her children to come and visit me, if they find that I do not welcome them here, then they can refuse to visit me again, but please ask them to come and meet me once.
M:- They are very nice people, when I told her that I have spoken to you, she become quite emotional.
D:- I am very sick and cannot afford an AC travel, if they want me to come there, and if they can arrange for a ticket, I will be obliged to go there, but because of my health and financial condition, I cannot go there on my own, but if they decide to come here, I will give them a warm welcome.
See: Translation of Article of Dinaysh Kumar Part 4 (June 19, 2009)
4d-don'd Comments are in "red"
Shashwat Said:
In this part of the interview, Dinaysh Kumar (Saxena) reveals (the fact?) that Chari charges Rs 300/- per sitting (Transmission) from abhyasis, he also reveals that P. Rajagopalachari is always surrounded and protected by criminals and those wanted by the law, the manager of Babuji Memorial Ashram in Chennai is (allegedly) the top notch criminal of Tamil Nadu.
He further states that anyone who leaves Sahaj Marg is threatened by goons of Chari, and anyone who expresses his/her desire to leave the cult of Sahaj Marg is threatened with dire consequences.
Dinaysh kumar also expressed that he is afraid that he may also meet the same consequence which was met by his childhood friend, Umesh Chandra Saxena (Un-natural death), as he had left the cult of Sahaj Marg. (Umesh was the son of the Founder of SRCM (Shahjahanpur - 1945), and Sahaj Marg, Ram Chandra of Shahjahanpur (Babuji))
I am working on preparing the translated transcript of these interviews, which will be uploaded here.
Now, here is: The Interview With Dinaysh Kumar Saxena, (Part 4)
Dinaysh Kumar Saxena is the Dean of the NaqshMuMRa Order of Sufism, and owner of NaqshMuMRA Nexus site.
Me:-Namaskar, I am Shashwat
Dinayshji:- Namaskar brother
M:- Did you speak to Navneetji yesterday?
D:- Yes, I spoke to him, and I have invited him to pay me a visit, like he is visiting his own home, I told him that I am a sick man, and cannot travel, actually I regretted about the fact that I could not visit them when his father expired, I should have gone there, but I was not able to visit them due to my bad health, if my health was good, I would have gone there myself, we can rectify the mistakes of past now.
M:- I also spoke to Anitaji, his mother
D:- Who?
M:- Anitaji, Navneetji’s mother, she said that she knows you quite well, and she has visited your place many times in past.
D:- Yes Yes, she has come to our place many times in past, they are my family members.
M:- They were upset because you joined Chariji group.
D:- No No, I did not go there, Umeshji himself stop visiting me, I did not go anywhere, he was under misconception that I have joined Chari’s group, actually this is Lalaji’s home, and anyone can come here, if you come to my home I will not stop you, suppose you come here, and there is some enemy of yours if he thinks that I have joined your group, then it is wrong, anyone can come to this place, I will not oppose anyone nor does it mean that if someone is coming here then I have sided with them, this is no(t) politics, this is a spiritual society.
M:- I have uploaded our yesterdays communication on internet, and I heard it myself, there is one point which I noticed, you said that there are some people who charge money per sitting.
D:- Money was asked from me, they asked me to pay.
M:- Ok, you were asked to pay money!!
D:- Yes, they asked me to pay money.
M:- I could not understand this, can you please elaborate more.
D:- Yes, I will repeat again, they asked me to pay money, it happened like this, last time when Chariji’s birthday function was held at Tirupur, this time also it is going to happen in Tirupur, but last time when this function was held, I visited Tirupur, and soon after function, there was guru purnima, since my son is also living there, I was at his home, but because his in-law’s were also there at that time, and his house was not big, so I decided to stay in the ashram, so that there is no problems to the guests, so I got written permission from Chariji and booked myself a room in the ashram, before anyone can live there, one has to do the registration, so when I went there for registration, I was asked to pay 300 Rs per head, I asked them what should I pay money for? Because lodging and food is suppose to be free, at this he said, this is for donation, I told him that my financial condition is not good, therefore I cannot pay any donation, at this he asked me who has given you permission to stay here for 15 days? I told him that Chariji has given me permission to live here for 15 days free of cost, he threw that letter and said that you will not be allowed to enter into meditation hall till you do not pay Rs 300, what does it mean?
M:- Ok so, only those people can enter into meditation hall who pay 300 Rs!!
D:- Yes, he said if you don’t pay money how will expenditure here taken care of? Even the local people there who neither drink tea nor do they eat food, even they also have to pay 300 Rs to enter into meditation hall. This money was taken forcefully, those who do not pay this money their entry was restricted,
M:- Ok, Chariji’s sitting costs Rs 300 per head (laugh)
D:- Yes, I left it then and there itself, I don’t know if they charge money for sitting even now or not.
M:- (laugh) You have informed us a very interesting aspect, that Chari’s sitting costs Rs 300.
D:- I have heard that even in Shahjahanpur and everywhere else, Chariji charge 300 Rs per head for one sitting.
M:- Ok.
D:- They treated me very badly, and that’s why I have left that group.
M:- Who was that person who asked you to pay money for each sitting? Do you know his name?
D:- I am going to tell you that only, when they stoped me from getting into the meditation hall, I sent an SMS to Chariji and all other functionaries of Sahaj Marg, from my mobile, they all came to say sorry to me, but no-body asked as who was that person who was taking money from everyone who was going for registration or was entering into meditation hall. When there was a function next time, then it was announced formally that everyone will have to pay money for sitting, this was announced by their ashram manager N. Prakash, and Chariji did not counter this announcement, in a way he second this announcement, this was his plan.
M:- N. Prakash?
D:- Yes, he was backed by Chariji.
M:- So this was announced that anyone who is entering into the meditation hall will have to pay 300 Rs?
D:- Yes anyone who is entering there.
M:- So kind of an entry pass?
D:- No, No, this was not a pass, there was no receipt.
M:- Ok, there was no receipt, it was totally black money?
D:- There is no receipt, if income tax department looks at this, they will be astonished, there is one register, where name and amount paid is written, this money is not accounted, there are many CA’s there, but all this money which is taken forcefully there is no receipt and is totally un-accounted for.
M:- Ok, thats interesting.
D:- Food they say is free, but there is nothing free there, they charge money for everything, they give receipt only for donation.
M:- Ok, they give receipt for all the donations received.
D:- Yes, only for formal donations, but all other money which they charge, this money is unaccounted.
M:- Ok, are you in touch with these people now? When was last time you spoke to them?
D:- That was the last time I had talked to them 2 yrs back, after that I have never visited them, and I am not in touch with them thereafter.
M:- Ok so you have got nothing to do with Chariji since last two years.
D:- He visited Fatehgarh recently but they did not bother to meet me, he, his secretary U.S Bajpai and many more people visited here, but they did not visited my place, I have invited them also, but they were not interested in visiting my home or Lalaji’s Samadhi.
M:- Do you know U.S bajpai? (Secretary of SRCM)
D:- Yes I know him very well, he retired from Kanpur.
M:- Do you know his son, (name blanked out)?
D:- Yes I know him also, there is no-one whom I don’t know.
M:- In that case you might be knowing his wife (name blaked out) also.
D:- Yaa I know them all.
M:- What type of people are they? (name blanked out) and his wife (name blanked out)?
D:- How can I tell what is inside them? I am not an astrologer..
M:- What is your perception about them?
D:- See they don’t abuse me, but their perception is not good..
M:- Ok, can you elaborate more about (name blanked out) and his wife (name blanked out) ?
D:- He is very degraded type of a person, very low level..
M:- (name blanked out) ?
D:- Yes, he is banned from entering into Chennai ashram..
M:- (name blanked out) ?
D:- Yes, he is the only son of U.S Bajpai, he is bad character man, Chariji saw many of his bad acts, and that’s why he has banned him from entering into Chennai ashram.
M:- He is a preceptor?
D:- Yes, he is a very bad character man, and that’s why he is banned there.
M:- What does it mean that he is of bad character?
D:- I have not seen it myself, nor he has misbehaved with any women from my family, but there are people who have seen him doing that, and that’s why he has been banned from entering into Chennai Ashram, his daughter is studying there in Lalaji Memorial School, but he is not allowed to visit her, U.S. Bajpai visits her sometimes.
M:- Ok, fair enough
D:- So you please convince Aanitaji and her children to come and visit me, if they find that I do not welcome them here, then they can refuse to visit me again, but please ask them to come and meet me once.
M:- They are very nice people, when I told her that I have spoken to you, she become quite emotional.
D:- I am very sick and cannot afford an AC travel, if they want me to come there, and if they can arrange for a ticket, I will be obliged to go there, but because of my health and financial condition, I cannot go there on my own, but if they decide to come here, I will give them a warm welcome.
Thursday, June 18, 2009
Dean of Lalaji's NaqshMuMRa Sufi Order Speaks Out
Dinaysh Kumar Saxena, Lalaji's grandson and Dean of NaqshMuMRa, the Sufi Organization of Lalaji's Family sent this e-mail (reply) to Shashwat Pandey. (see below)
Shashwat is the Owner of the blog: The Cult of Sahaj Marg (Shree Ram Chandra Mission) and the blog: Freedom from Sahaj Marg (many scans of SRCM legal documents) and of the Orkut Community called: Freedom from SRCM (Sahaj Marg)
An unauthorized DVD and book called: the Life of Lalaji (Produced and acted by abhyasis from Pune, India) is being sold as a "fundraiser" for SRCM (California - 1997) and their Sahaj Marg Spirituality Foundation (SMSF), while NaqshMuMRa is struggling to raise money to save the "home" of Lalaji. (see their site: NaqshMuMRa Nexus and see Lalaji's Will
Forwarded Message Attachment--
Subject: Re: Sahaj Marg
From: laalaajinilayam
To: shashwat_pandey
Dear and respected Brother
I am sorry that I am replying your mail so late. I am always at your disposal. Br. Chari came to Fatehgarh after complete ten years. The system of Sahj Marg is entirely different than the Ram Chandra school of spirituality. Last time Chari came to Fatehgarh in the year 1999 and there after he came recently for one day and took rest in the night and went back without meeting me yesterday. I had already invited him, pointing out that this is. Rev. Laalaaji's house where he lived for more than 3 decades and trained the people and educated the system of meditation, evolved by him.
I am an sick old man and it would be easier that you send your questionnaire before hand.Sister Kasturi is a great saint and I can not be kept in that line. The soul difference between Sahaj Marg and the Ramchandra School spirituality (NaqshMuMRa), is that the achievement of NaqshMuMRa is that it brings "illat" ( disease) quillat" ( Poverty) and zillat, whereas the Sahajmarg is always after money and crowd,
which is against the principals of spirituality. (4d-don's highlight)
Rev. Babuji has himself revealed that the system made him to practice is entirely different than the same prevalent now in Sahaj Marg.
Thanking you,
Yours afffectionately,
Dinaysh Kumar Saxena
IMPORTANT INFORMATION ... IMPORTANT INFORMATION...
See: Interview with Dinaysh Kumar Saxena in Hindi)
(see Transcript of Interview (part 4) with Dinaysh Kumar Saxena)
(see also other inteviews and scans of legal documents and Newspaper articles at
" Freedom From Sahaj Marg"
See the full article: Life of Lalaji - A Classic Sahaj Marg Fraud, and the original telephone interview (in MP3 format, to be translated soon) with Dinaysh Kumar Saxena on Shashwat's Blog: Cult of Sahaj Marg (Shree Ram Chandra Mission)
See also the article: Lalaji and Sahaj Marg on Cult of Sahaj Marg(Shree Ram Chandra Mission)
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 12:00 AM, Shashwat Pandey wrote:
Dear Dinesh Kumarji
My name is Shashwat, and i am the owner of website http://www.geocities.com/sha211_211/srcm.html and blog http://srcmcultofindia.blogspot.com.
I have been reading your website with interest and i have also tried to find out as how sahaj marg is related with linage of lalaji, infect the profile picture on my orkut community dealing with sahaj marg is that of when P Rajagopalachari visited your place.
If you spare some time on my website you will notice that i have uploaded video interview of folowers of Naveentji (grandson of babuji) who is currently president of SRCM shahjahanpur started by Babuji, and i have also uploaded audio interview of Kasturi Chaturvedi who recently left chari group and started her own.
I was wondering if you are interested in an audio interview which will be published on net. My questions will be around lalaji's association with sahaj marg.
For details about what i have found till date you can have a look at one of the post in my blog
http://srcmcultofindia.blogspot.com/2009/02/lalaji-and-sahaj-marg.html
Kindly do let me know any fixed line number incase you are interested in the interview.
Best Regards
Shashwat
Shashwat is the Owner of the blog: The Cult of Sahaj Marg (Shree Ram Chandra Mission) and the blog: Freedom from Sahaj Marg (many scans of SRCM legal documents) and of the Orkut Community called: Freedom from SRCM (Sahaj Marg)
An unauthorized DVD and book called: the Life of Lalaji (Produced and acted by abhyasis from Pune, India) is being sold as a "fundraiser" for SRCM (California - 1997) and their Sahaj Marg Spirituality Foundation (SMSF), while NaqshMuMRa is struggling to raise money to save the "home" of Lalaji. (see their site: NaqshMuMRa Nexus and see Lalaji's Will
Forwarded Message Attachment--
Subject: Re: Sahaj Marg
From: laalaajinilayam
To: shashwat_pandey
Dear and respected Brother
I am sorry that I am replying your mail so late. I am always at your disposal. Br. Chari came to Fatehgarh after complete ten years. The system of Sahj Marg is entirely different than the Ram Chandra school of spirituality. Last time Chari came to Fatehgarh in the year 1999 and there after he came recently for one day and took rest in the night and went back without meeting me yesterday. I had already invited him, pointing out that this is. Rev. Laalaaji's house where he lived for more than 3 decades and trained the people and educated the system of meditation, evolved by him.
I am an sick old man and it would be easier that you send your questionnaire before hand.Sister Kasturi is a great saint and I can not be kept in that line. The soul difference between Sahaj Marg and the Ramchandra School spirituality (NaqshMuMRa), is that the achievement of NaqshMuMRa is that it brings "illat" ( disease) quillat" ( Poverty) and zillat, whereas the Sahajmarg is always after money and crowd,
which is against the principals of spirituality. (4d-don's highlight)
Rev. Babuji has himself revealed that the system made him to practice is entirely different than the same prevalent now in Sahaj Marg.
Thanking you,
Yours afffectionately,
Dinaysh Kumar Saxena
IMPORTANT INFORMATION ... IMPORTANT INFORMATION...
See: Interview with Dinaysh Kumar Saxena in Hindi)
(see Transcript of Interview (part 4) with Dinaysh Kumar Saxena)
(see also other inteviews and scans of legal documents and Newspaper articles at
" Freedom From Sahaj Marg"
See the full article: Life of Lalaji - A Classic Sahaj Marg Fraud, and the original telephone interview (in MP3 format, to be translated soon) with Dinaysh Kumar Saxena on Shashwat's Blog: Cult of Sahaj Marg (Shree Ram Chandra Mission)
See also the article: Lalaji and Sahaj Marg on Cult of Sahaj Marg(Shree Ram Chandra Mission)
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 12:00 AM, Shashwat Pandey wrote:
Dear Dinesh Kumarji
My name is Shashwat, and i am the owner of website http://www.geocities.com/sha211_211/srcm.html and blog http://srcmcultofindia.blogspot.com.
I have been reading your website with interest and i have also tried to find out as how sahaj marg is related with linage of lalaji, infect the profile picture on my orkut community dealing with sahaj marg is that of when P Rajagopalachari visited your place.
If you spare some time on my website you will notice that i have uploaded video interview of folowers of Naveentji (grandson of babuji) who is currently president of SRCM shahjahanpur started by Babuji, and i have also uploaded audio interview of Kasturi Chaturvedi who recently left chari group and started her own.
I was wondering if you are interested in an audio interview which will be published on net. My questions will be around lalaji's association with sahaj marg.
For details about what i have found till date you can have a look at one of the post in my blog
http://srcmcultofindia.blogspot.com/2009/02/lalaji-and-sahaj-marg.html
Kindly do let me know any fixed line number incase you are interested in the interview.
Best Regards
Shashwat
Wednesday, June 17, 2009
With Sahaj Marg, leave 5-hours between Meditations! And MORE..
Taken from Elodie's Blog in France: Pour Que Vive Le Sahaj Marg
In response to the Speech by Chari, Change in Weekly Satsangh Timings, delivered on 31st May, 2009 in New Delhi, India (discussed here), and the replies (in French) by Alexis and Elodie (article here) and by Sam (article here) on Elodie's blog in France, Alexis wrote: (translated by 4d-don)
Alexis said ...
June 15, 2009
Yep, we are a long distance from the simple Method, adapted to the family life of the modern world that was dangled by Sahaj Marg. The 10 commandments of Babuji stipulated to rise before dawn to meditate and preferably before sunrise. Chari makes it an obligation for satsang, yet another one of his whims!
Now, in France, people are also concerned about the schedules of the other meditations, and the vice president asked to respect the minimum of five hours between each meditation providing no "public explanations about the instructions of the Master."
It (Sahaj Marg) will soon be more complicated than any existing religious rituals.
He added fraternally that "abhyasis can drink before meditation. Thank you, thank you ... we are now reassured!
Monday June 15 09:56:00 AM
Alexis said: (Thursday June 18, 2009 9:44:00 Am)
He adds a little every day ...
Chari says that the universal prayer of the evening is to take place from 21:00 to 21:15. It must be followed by a half hours of sitting on Friday night!
The codification of the (SRCM) ritual is well under way ...
Thursday June 18 09:44:00 AM
Alexis Said: (Wednesday June 17 11:33:00 AM)
But how old is he now?
"Shri Parthasarathi Rajagopalachari, affectionately known Chariji, was born on 24 July 1927 in a village called Vayalur, near Madras (Chennai).
Two years ago, they celebrated his 80th birthday at Tiruppur. This year's celebration of his 83rd anniversary will be held at Tiruppur.
Amazing, is not it? A year has gone by the wayside in the meantime ...
But what is the purpose of this charade?
Wednesday June 17 11:33:00 AM
In response to the Speech by Chari, Change in Weekly Satsangh Timings, delivered on 31st May, 2009 in New Delhi, India (discussed here), and the replies (in French) by Alexis and Elodie (article here) and by Sam (article here) on Elodie's blog in France, Alexis wrote: (translated by 4d-don)
Alexis said ...
June 15, 2009
Yep, we are a long distance from the simple Method, adapted to the family life of the modern world that was dangled by Sahaj Marg. The 10 commandments of Babuji stipulated to rise before dawn to meditate and preferably before sunrise. Chari makes it an obligation for satsang, yet another one of his whims!
Now, in France, people are also concerned about the schedules of the other meditations, and the vice president asked to respect the minimum of five hours between each meditation providing no "public explanations about the instructions of the Master."
It (Sahaj Marg) will soon be more complicated than any existing religious rituals.
He added fraternally that "abhyasis can drink before meditation. Thank you, thank you ... we are now reassured!
Monday June 15 09:56:00 AM
Alexis said: (Thursday June 18, 2009 9:44:00 Am)
He adds a little every day ...
Chari says that the universal prayer of the evening is to take place from 21:00 to 21:15. It must be followed by a half hours of sitting on Friday night!
The codification of the (SRCM) ritual is well under way ...
Thursday June 18 09:44:00 AM
Alexis Said: (Wednesday June 17 11:33:00 AM)
But how old is he now?
"Shri Parthasarathi Rajagopalachari, affectionately known Chariji, was born on 24 July 1927 in a village called Vayalur, near Madras (Chennai).
Two years ago, they celebrated his 80th birthday at Tiruppur. This year's celebration of his 83rd anniversary will be held at Tiruppur.
Amazing, is not it? A year has gone by the wayside in the meantime ...
But what is the purpose of this charade?
Wednesday June 17 11:33:00 AM
Sunday, June 14, 2009
Sahaj Marg Feeds the Ego!! (a testimonial)
This comment was left on Frank's Blog: Pitfalls of Spirituality in the article: Positive Thinking 2- Groupthink and Denial
Note: Frank, the author and owner of the blog: " Pitfalls of Spirituality", was SRCM (California - 1997) Preceptor and Zonal-in-charge for the Netherlands. He is now an ex-abhyasi.
(Find the comment there, or directly here)
4d-don's comment: For others who are beginning to have "doubts" about the SRCM (California - 1997) GANG, it is time to realize that all the other Religions of their "Brothers and Sisters", are now considered "corrupt" by these "neo-spiritualist" businessmen of the neo-religion called: SRCM (California - 1997). Is not what these salesmen actually selling, simply another kind of nationalist "social engineering", materialism, and "spiritualism" disguised as spirituality? The traditional religions of their "Brothers and Sisters", were also once, and are still widely considered "ideal, special, and unique" by them, even though these same "religions" may also have historically, (and they may still) fed the ego of the disciples of what Chari now-calls: "corrupt" religions. These are our "brothers and sisters" of all religions which, incidentally some (many?) "abhyasis" refused to join, and even refused to gather with on a social level, in fear of being lured, trapped, snared or enticed. Some even went as far as calling the adherents to other religions "hypocrites", "liars", or other such defamation. Now, they (SRCM) would teach that same arrogant divisiveness and separateness to "your children" under the cloak of "Brotherhood and Sisterhood". One can only be "SPECIAL and UNIQUE" it seems, if one joins them (SRCM (California - 1997), the One and Only "Natural Path", they claim! Are they (religions) not all the same? (See the SRCM (California - 1997) curriculum at their Private School, LMNOIS, built with your "donations" - VBSE)
Most of us who don't adhere to " organized religion" anymore (for obvious reasons), realize the power and the "pitfalls" of this spiritualist and "groupthink" (egregores) modus operandi, which is now and always has been, proselytized and sold by the "businessmen of religion", alongside "rewards on the other side" and/or "insured beyond the grave" and/or "Whispers from the "BRIGHTER WORLD" and/or other forms of "special, or unique, liberated, saved, few, chosen, etc..." but which are in reality, all using the same tool of the same BEAST: Feeding the EGO of the "mark" with an intellectual "opiate"!! The defense of their (our) ego has, and will always be: "But it feels so right or REAL"!! Much as it did for those true "adepts" and moral and ethical seekers who left other so-called "corrupt" RELIGIONS!! It always "FEELS SO RIGHT and so REAL"!!
And now, for those of us who are considered the "enemy" of (this type of) SPIRITUALITY (or spiritualism), by Chari, Sovereignty and Freedom from it also feels so RIGHT and REAL!! The "only" way to UNITE and make the world ONE (we think) is to belong to ONE, and only ONE group (which includes the whole species?) which includes ALL. It does not UNITE anything when one simply sheepishly and obediently becomes a member of yet another Gang of the few, the "SPECIAL or the UNIQUE", the illuminated, the chosen, etc ...!
Is Brotherhood and Sisterhood the REALITY in Sahaj Marg or is the REAL Reality "REAL ESTATE", to be paid as spiritual "rent" (donations) by the future neophytes and true seekers of REALITY but controlled by nationalist businessmen? Sahaj Marg will offer "REAL Estate" or the "Material" for a "price" or a "donation". Such is Spiritual Capitalism!! Such is RELIGION!! (See SRCM (California - 1997) latest acquisition in Timisoara, Romania, near a Polytechnical School) (see also the Protestant (Christian) Reformation and specially Pope Leo X, and the sale of "indulgences")
Where is your FAMILY? Your One TRUE family which was given to you by LIFE? They are not in Sahaj Marg as they are too "SPECIAL and UNIQUE", just like the rest of US!! That's what it means to be "Sovereign and FREE". It means having the integrity to stand "alone" and hence to have the ability to be at ONE with ALL, including with the members of the allegedly corrupt SRCM ( Shahjahanpur - 1945) and SRCM (California - 1997). Well, almost ALL! Do we allow membership to those who grow their so-called " Special and Unique" pseudo-spiritual business, which is really a nationalist/spiritualist pyramidal business, by defaming other groups and hence not acting as a "BROTHER and/or SISTER" to them? ;-))
It seems that UNITY and Brotherhood is not something that is a REALITY with the Sahaj Marg (the Easy Path) of these two (or more) divided GROUPS (clans) . Maybe the ISRC is smart to call their method by another name: Pranahuti Aided Meditation (PAM), so as not to be associated with the now-tarnished: Sahaj Marg of Babuji. (The not so "Easy Path" and certainly not the "Natural Path")
But... YES!!! ALL means ALL ... not just a "chosen few"!! So we are all ONE!! We are all in the same "Boat", Gaia or EARTH ... Like it or not! ;-))
June 14, 2009 12:46 AM
Dear Frank,
Ten thousand thank yous for your website.
I didn't want to leave SRCM but there was no way to stay.
I am grateful that you talked about the fear because the "opportunity may not come for 10,000 years" the promise of being "liberated" the "unique transmission, etc." These are all hooks that can cause a lot of grief when one disengages. These hooks caused a great deal of stress, fear and pain inside myself.
It's amazing to observe the collapse of the ego. Didn't realize how much "the system" keeps the ego alive. For instance, feeling special because you have found the Master or feeling special because you are part of this small group. The ego likes to have something to identify with and SRCM fits the bill. Anything that divides and separates keeps the ego strong.
Hopefully one day I will be able to pass it on and be able to help someone else who is struggling with the loss of their "spiritual practice" or I should say, religion.
Thanks again.
Wishing you peace and well being,
Triple Gem
Note: Frank, the author and owner of the blog: " Pitfalls of Spirituality", was SRCM (California - 1997) Preceptor and Zonal-in-charge for the Netherlands. He is now an ex-abhyasi.
(Find the comment there, or directly here)
4d-don's comment: For others who are beginning to have "doubts" about the SRCM (California - 1997) GANG, it is time to realize that all the other Religions of their "Brothers and Sisters", are now considered "corrupt" by these "neo-spiritualist" businessmen of the neo-religion called: SRCM (California - 1997). Is not what these salesmen actually selling, simply another kind of nationalist "social engineering", materialism, and "spiritualism" disguised as spirituality? The traditional religions of their "Brothers and Sisters", were also once, and are still widely considered "ideal, special, and unique" by them, even though these same "religions" may also have historically, (and they may still) fed the ego of the disciples of what Chari now-calls: "corrupt" religions. These are our "brothers and sisters" of all religions which, incidentally some (many?) "abhyasis" refused to join, and even refused to gather with on a social level, in fear of being lured, trapped, snared or enticed. Some even went as far as calling the adherents to other religions "hypocrites", "liars", or other such defamation. Now, they (SRCM) would teach that same arrogant divisiveness and separateness to "your children" under the cloak of "Brotherhood and Sisterhood". One can only be "SPECIAL and UNIQUE" it seems, if one joins them (SRCM (California - 1997), the One and Only "Natural Path", they claim! Are they (religions) not all the same? (See the SRCM (California - 1997) curriculum at their Private School, LMNOIS, built with your "donations" - VBSE)
Most of us who don't adhere to " organized religion" anymore (for obvious reasons), realize the power and the "pitfalls" of this spiritualist and "groupthink" (egregores) modus operandi, which is now and always has been, proselytized and sold by the "businessmen of religion", alongside "rewards on the other side" and/or "insured beyond the grave" and/or "Whispers from the "BRIGHTER WORLD" and/or other forms of "special, or unique, liberated, saved, few, chosen, etc..." but which are in reality, all using the same tool of the same BEAST: Feeding the EGO of the "mark" with an intellectual "opiate"!! The defense of their (our) ego has, and will always be: "But it feels so right or REAL"!! Much as it did for those true "adepts" and moral and ethical seekers who left other so-called "corrupt" RELIGIONS!! It always "FEELS SO RIGHT and so REAL"!!
And now, for those of us who are considered the "enemy" of (this type of) SPIRITUALITY (or spiritualism), by Chari, Sovereignty and Freedom from it also feels so RIGHT and REAL!! The "only" way to UNITE and make the world ONE (we think) is to belong to ONE, and only ONE group (which includes the whole species?) which includes ALL. It does not UNITE anything when one simply sheepishly and obediently becomes a member of yet another Gang of the few, the "SPECIAL or the UNIQUE", the illuminated, the chosen, etc ...!
Is Brotherhood and Sisterhood the REALITY in Sahaj Marg or is the REAL Reality "REAL ESTATE", to be paid as spiritual "rent" (donations) by the future neophytes and true seekers of REALITY but controlled by nationalist businessmen? Sahaj Marg will offer "REAL Estate" or the "Material" for a "price" or a "donation". Such is Spiritual Capitalism!! Such is RELIGION!! (See SRCM (California - 1997) latest acquisition in Timisoara, Romania, near a Polytechnical School) (see also the Protestant (Christian) Reformation and specially Pope Leo X, and the sale of "indulgences")
Where is your FAMILY? Your One TRUE family which was given to you by LIFE? They are not in Sahaj Marg as they are too "SPECIAL and UNIQUE", just like the rest of US!! That's what it means to be "Sovereign and FREE". It means having the integrity to stand "alone" and hence to have the ability to be at ONE with ALL, including with the members of the allegedly corrupt SRCM ( Shahjahanpur - 1945) and SRCM (California - 1997). Well, almost ALL! Do we allow membership to those who grow their so-called " Special and Unique" pseudo-spiritual business, which is really a nationalist/spiritualist pyramidal business, by defaming other groups and hence not acting as a "BROTHER and/or SISTER" to them? ;-))
It seems that UNITY and Brotherhood is not something that is a REALITY with the Sahaj Marg (the Easy Path) of these two (or more) divided GROUPS (clans) . Maybe the ISRC is smart to call their method by another name: Pranahuti Aided Meditation (PAM), so as not to be associated with the now-tarnished: Sahaj Marg of Babuji. (The not so "Easy Path" and certainly not the "Natural Path")
But... YES!!! ALL means ALL ... not just a "chosen few"!! So we are all ONE!! We are all in the same "Boat", Gaia or EARTH ... Like it or not! ;-))
June 14, 2009 12:46 AM
Dear Frank,
Ten thousand thank yous for your website.
I didn't want to leave SRCM but there was no way to stay.
I am grateful that you talked about the fear because the "opportunity may not come for 10,000 years" the promise of being "liberated" the "unique transmission, etc." These are all hooks that can cause a lot of grief when one disengages. These hooks caused a great deal of stress, fear and pain inside myself.
It's amazing to observe the collapse of the ego. Didn't realize how much "the system" keeps the ego alive. For instance, feeling special because you have found the Master or feeling special because you are part of this small group. The ego likes to have something to identify with and SRCM fits the bill. Anything that divides and separates keeps the ego strong.
Hopefully one day I will be able to pass it on and be able to help someone else who is struggling with the loss of their "spiritual practice" or I should say, religion.
Thanks again.
Wishing you peace and well being,
Triple Gem
Saturday, June 13, 2009
SRCM (California-1997) and Sahaj Marg Schedules for Singles!
Taken and translated from a comment by Sam on Elodie's blog: Pour Que Vive le Sahaj Marg.
4d-Don's Comments: In the Catholic (and most Christian) churches, there are many Sunday Service so as to accomodate the parishionners' schedules. I am sure it is the same for other religions! But if the SRCM "business" agenda dominates the "spirituality" of this group, then the onus is on the "disciple" to find a more convenient and REALISTIC path for their FAMILY! One that is not so "divisive" and destructive to the family.
The ONE is EVERYTHING, EVERYWHERE, EVERYWHEN (what I call: the E-Trinity). All paths lead to REALITY!! Or as Jiddu Krishnamurti said: "Reality is a Pathless path". The ONE (what some call: God) does not live only in India, Mecca, Jerusalem, or ROME (the Vatican) !
Saturday, June 13, 2009
Schedules for "singles" (not for people with families (children))
By all the means available, those abhyasis who already have the ability to come will continue to do so whatever the hour. What about the others? Who thought of the mothers with children too young to be left alone, and who will need to ask their spouses (or partners or family members) ) to get up at 6 am on a Sunday morning so they can go to meditate? What will be the answer of their spouse? Well, for a so-called Path of the (modern) Family, once again, if the family members are not 100% into Sahaj Marg they will face problems (and maybe crises) or stop the meditation. Who (in SRCM) has also given any thought to the people who are in ill health and/or are already exhausted by a week of work and who need to sleep late on Sunday, (I am using irony) at least until 7 or 8 o'clock in the morning for example, not through laziness or lack of motivation, but simply to recuperate? But no, those don't count either, as they have to exhaust themselves more and more and come, if they truly love the Maaaaaaster. And those who live far away? At what time should they leave their homes, oops! and if beside living far away, what if some people also have children? It is their fault, they only had to provide, they are surely bad abhyais, and not motivated ...
They are swimming in open delirium.
Once again one marches to the Sahaj MARG drum or dies, where only the strong, the singles (what a so-called Family Path! Yeah right!) and those who have no family or health constraints will be able to come. The others will be treated as bad abhyasis because according to the ready-made reply of the "good thinking" abhyasis: when one wants to, one can, if one is really motivated to get there, if one is really committed in relation to the Master, there are solutions. A nice bunch of "disconnected from life", yes, totally out of step with the reality of many abhyasis. So the quality or quantity? No! The only result instead will be that people who have a life and conditions of easy access will continue to come, and those who face any constraints whatsoever will have to give up. But it may be good for them as other Paths exist, more human paths, which will benefit from become more known and sought out.
A funny but pathetic detail, to meditate in New York city, one must first go to the lower Manhattan to take a ferry to cross an arm of the sea, then a bus for half an hour, and finally arrive at the preceptor in charge. However, yippee! the first ferry is at 8:00 AM, Sunday morning. This will enable the abhyasis who are really motivated to learn to duplicate themselves, if they want to participate in satsangh at 7.30 AM. The others, perhaps less advanced (evolved), will have to simply give up. Unless of course, one is well off or rich and can afford a taxi every Sunday, (at evening and/or weekend rates). Once again it is Sahaj Marg according to money. And don't tell me that one should organize a "car-pool", as most do not possess cars, and/or live too far from each other in order to organize a "collective taxis".
To recap, a nice scandal in the twist that Sahaj Marg has taken. I see nothing here that allows the re-motivation of the abhyasis, and to "re-kindle the flame", but rather a delusion, totally disconnected from the reality of life!
Sam
4d-Don's Comments: In the Catholic (and most Christian) churches, there are many Sunday Service so as to accomodate the parishionners' schedules. I am sure it is the same for other religions! But if the SRCM "business" agenda dominates the "spirituality" of this group, then the onus is on the "disciple" to find a more convenient and REALISTIC path for their FAMILY! One that is not so "divisive" and destructive to the family.
The ONE is EVERYTHING, EVERYWHERE, EVERYWHEN (what I call: the E-Trinity). All paths lead to REALITY!! Or as Jiddu Krishnamurti said: "Reality is a Pathless path". The ONE (what some call: God) does not live only in India, Mecca, Jerusalem, or ROME (the Vatican) !
Saturday, June 13, 2009
Schedules for "singles" (not for people with families (children))
By all the means available, those abhyasis who already have the ability to come will continue to do so whatever the hour. What about the others? Who thought of the mothers with children too young to be left alone, and who will need to ask their spouses (or partners or family members) ) to get up at 6 am on a Sunday morning so they can go to meditate? What will be the answer of their spouse? Well, for a so-called Path of the (modern) Family, once again, if the family members are not 100% into Sahaj Marg they will face problems (and maybe crises) or stop the meditation. Who (in SRCM) has also given any thought to the people who are in ill health and/or are already exhausted by a week of work and who need to sleep late on Sunday, (I am using irony) at least until 7 or 8 o'clock in the morning for example, not through laziness or lack of motivation, but simply to recuperate? But no, those don't count either, as they have to exhaust themselves more and more and come, if they truly love the Maaaaaaster. And those who live far away? At what time should they leave their homes, oops! and if beside living far away, what if some people also have children? It is their fault, they only had to provide, they are surely bad abhyais, and not motivated ...
They are swimming in open delirium.
Once again one marches to the Sahaj MARG drum or dies, where only the strong, the singles (what a so-called Family Path! Yeah right!) and those who have no family or health constraints will be able to come. The others will be treated as bad abhyasis because according to the ready-made reply of the "good thinking" abhyasis: when one wants to, one can, if one is really motivated to get there, if one is really committed in relation to the Master, there are solutions. A nice bunch of "disconnected from life", yes, totally out of step with the reality of many abhyasis. So the quality or quantity? No! The only result instead will be that people who have a life and conditions of easy access will continue to come, and those who face any constraints whatsoever will have to give up. But it may be good for them as other Paths exist, more human paths, which will benefit from become more known and sought out.
A funny but pathetic detail, to meditate in New York city, one must first go to the lower Manhattan to take a ferry to cross an arm of the sea, then a bus for half an hour, and finally arrive at the preceptor in charge. However, yippee! the first ferry is at 8:00 AM, Sunday morning. This will enable the abhyasis who are really motivated to learn to duplicate themselves, if they want to participate in satsangh at 7.30 AM. The others, perhaps less advanced (evolved), will have to simply give up. Unless of course, one is well off or rich and can afford a taxi every Sunday, (at evening and/or weekend rates). Once again it is Sahaj Marg according to money. And don't tell me that one should organize a "car-pool", as most do not possess cars, and/or live too far from each other in order to organize a "collective taxis".
To recap, a nice scandal in the twist that Sahaj Marg has taken. I see nothing here that allows the re-motivation of the abhyasis, and to "re-kindle the flame", but rather a delusion, totally disconnected from the reality of life!
Sam
Tuesday, June 09, 2009
SRCM & Sahaj Marg - The TRUTH & the FACTS
SRCM & Sahaj Marg - The Truth & the FACTS!!
Spirituality should reflect the TRUTH and deal with REALITY! IT should not perpetuate and promote fantasies or "made-up stories" around the very foundation of the organization that is to take the "disciples" to the ONE ... the REALITY!! In the case of the Shri Ram Chandra Mission ( SRCM) and Sahaj Marg, it's method, this is the MISSION and the Method that the abhyasis are supposed to "OBEY", according to Chari, their current Master and President. "Teach your children well!!" Do not obey until you are sure that what this group of "businessmen" puts out about their history and lineage, is the TRUTH, or at least FACTUAL, and supported by historical and legal documents. If their history is not factual, then maybe their spiritual claims are also not "factual" or the TRUTH.
The Religions that Chari calls"corrupt" don't falsify their "origins", do they? Spirituality is "better than RELIGION" is it not? Is that "falsification of history" and the many outlandish and unverifiable (spiritualist and religious) claims, not the reason why Religions are called "corrupt" by Chari? Can a lie lead to the ULTIMATE Reality or the TRUTH?
Although the Web Site of the Shri Ram Chandra Mission is getting a "faces-lift" and is changing in appearance, SRCM (California -1997) still persists in making claims that are not supported by historical documents, and other sources, including Babuji's (the founder) autobiography and many legal documents, and even the accounts of many old Preceptors and Prefects of the SRCM of Babuji, which was registered in 1945.
There have been two schisms or "parting of ways" from Chari and the SRCM (California-1997). One schism by the Institute of Sri Ramchandra Consciousness (ISRC) is operated by K.C. Narayana (son of Dr. K.C. Varadachari), while the original and still functionning SRCM (Shahjahanpur) of Babuji (registered in 1945) is presided by Navneet Kumar Saxena, Babuji's grandson. Both of these organizations claim Lalaji as their "adi Guru", and Babuji as their Master for LIFE.
Then there are abhyasis gathered around Sister Kasturi, the only "saint" in Sahaj Marg, according to Babuji. And there are some around "Raghavendra Roa" and others. These see Babuji as a "Special Personality" and claim him to be their Master for LIFE. They are all "break-aways" from Chari's Clan and his SRCM (California-1997) headquartered in Chennai, India.
Another schism took place in Europe by some abhyasis from Babuji's original SRCM organization. This group is now scattered in ad-hoc groups without any real leader or organization except maybe the now-deceased Andre Poray. They meet at various times (birthdays of Babuji, Lalaji, etc..). If they is more of a true leader of that schism, he should come forth. Some still visit with some of the "old preceptors" in India.
These are some TRUE (verifiable) historical FACTS ...
(Do you own research ... don't just swallow the "company line")
The Shri Ram Chandra Mission - Shahjahanpur (SRCM) of Babuji was registered in India in 1945. (see scan of legal documents on Shashwat's site: Freedom from Sahaj Marg see item #3) That organization still exists and is Presided by Navneet Kumar Saxena, Babuji's grandson. (Their Web site was taken over by Chari's group ... SRCM (Shahjahanpur) - organization still operates.)
The other "Shri Ram Chandra Mission" presided by (self-appointed) Chari, called here: SRCM (California - 1997) was registered in San Luis Obispo, California, by Chari and Santosh Khanjee in 1997.
SMSF (Sahaj Marg Spirituality Foundation) was registered in Austin, Texas in 1997, (where Santosh Khanjee has his hotel and real estate development projects) by Chari and Santosh Khanjee. The SMRI (Sahaj Marg Research Institute) founded by Prof. K.C. Varadachari, (who was a friend of Babuji and "Master-in-waiting" until Chari came along) was changed to SMRTI (Sahaj Marg Research and Teaching Institute) and registered in Austin, Texas, by Chari. This is the arm of SRCM -( California-1997) that began focusing on children (teaching) with the the building and operating of the Private School called: Lalaji Memorial Omega International School (LMOIS) - Why "OMEGA"? Babuji's method called, Sahaj Marg was restricted to those 18 yrs. and older (with a warning about the danger of the possibility of damaging the "heart" (emotionalism? arrogance? megalomania? ) of the recipient of the "transmission".)
The "national" SRCM organizations' Board of Directors were changed by Chari, by the appointment of abhyasis "loyal to Chari" (be they residents of the county in question or not) and the national organizations were made to respond to Chari as the PRESIDENT of each organizations, and/or Santosh and other "inner circle members" as "majority directors". Thus Chari and his "gang", controlled all the "national organizations".
Chari registered "SAHAJ MARG" as a commercial "trade mark" and his organization now controls the name of the "method of Meditation" of the Shri Ram Chandra Mission. The trade mark for "Sahaj Marg" is registered in Chari's name, his son and a few of his "loyal" followers.
LALAJI's role in Sahaj Marg:
Lalaji had a SUFI Master: Maulana Fazl Ahmad Khan (Hujur Maharaj), sixth from Mirza Zanzana, in the line of succession of the Naqshbandi Order. (See their "golden Chain") Lalaji became the first "hindu" Master of the Naqshbandiyya Order of Sufism (all other Masters prior to Lalaji were Muslims . Babuji met Lalaji a few times (when he was 18 yrs old) and never became a regular member of his organization, nor was he a preceptor. (see: Sufi Saints: Sufism in India, by Dr. R.K. Gupta) (see exerpts of Autobiography of Ram Chandra)
Lalaji's family still operates the "Naqshbandiyya" organization of the SUFI Order and Lalaji's grandson is the current "dean". See "Naqshbandiyya Nexus", their site.
Lalaji's Sufi disciples also have an organization under the Mastership Guru Maharaj, Dr. Chaturbhuj Sahay Ji, called RAMASHRAM. RamAshram is still operating and teaching Lalaji's Sufi Method of meditation. Babuji was never a member of Dr. Chatterbhuj's RAMASHRAM although he meditated with them a few times.
Babuji formed his Shri Ram Chandra Mission, along with the method of meditation he called "SAHAJ MARG", in 1945, 13 years after Lalaji's death in 1931. According to Sister Kasturi and her followers, Lalaji has nothing to do with Sahaj Marg. Babuji claims to have been inspired to found his "organization" in a dream. This claim to be Lalaji's "successor" is self-articulated by Babuji and his followers, including Chari's clan. (see Babuji's letter on Naqshbandiyya Nexus site) .
Lalaji's Sufi Naqshbandiyya Order still operates and is not called: Shri Ram Chandra Mission nor is their Method called: Sahaj Marg. Lalaji's will is on their site, and Babuji is not mentionned as "successor".
Chari claims that the SPIRITUALIST Books: "Whispers From the Brighter World" will be the "New Bible of Sahaj Marg". This "opulent" series of Books of "channeled messages received through an anonymous French Lady Medium" and said by her and Chari to be from "Babuji, Chari's mother and/or other elevated (un-named) souls", were sold in a first edition at $250.00 USD, and the two (or three?) "sequels" (one in April, 2009, one in April, 2010, and maybe one in April, 2011? ... if the spirits are still communicating?? ) will be sold at $150.00 USD. The "Whispers" series will be "limited editions" with no more "re-prints" for 50 years, according to Chari. About these "new editions", Chari also said: " I don't see why these messages should not continue into the future, indefinitely." (see his speech with comments here and here) Reading these " channeled messages" will erase most of your samskaras, Chari claims. But Chari also claims that catholic priests can't "forgive sins". Chari claims to serves a "special personality" (Babuji?), the Chrisitians allegedly claim to serve the "Son of GOD"! Why can one erase "samskaras" and the other not able to "forgive sins"?
Monday, June 01, 2009
LACK of OXYGEN- The Cause of the SPIRITUAL Experience at SRCM (California-1997)?
Comments to recent speech by Chari: Change in Weekly Satsangh Timings
Comments by 4d-Don are in "red italics"
Although these changes are really for "financial" reasons, Chari still tries to claim that they are for the sake of the "spiritual" growth of the abhyasis as he continues to increase the "material" worth of the MISSION, reveling in its material comfort built with "charity" dollars from around the world. That is the material Mission built by Chari, populated by "not quality people" according to the words of Chari (see below). The Master has not done his work according to the philosophy of the Mission of Babuji. According to Babuji, the Master is responsible for the spiritual growth of the adept, that is the reason for avoiding unfettered (or cancerous) growth or "commercializing" of the MISSION. The true spiritual work cannot be performed by the Master if there are hundreds of thousands of abhyasis to grow spiritually.
But more importantly, the SPIRITUAL experience, claimed to be "divine", in the Sahaj Marg meditation could be attributed to the "shortage of OXYGEN" intake by the abhyasis during meditation. That "oxygen shortage", Chari inadvertently admits takes place in a statement which he assigns to Lalaji. That lack of oxygen could explain the emotionalism of the followers of Sahaj Marg, and their inability to deal with LOGIC (due to the now mal-functionning tool of the "oxygen shortage(d)" brain), and it could explain their submissive and obedient behaviour, their addictive tendencies, and hence their ability to be manipulated. This is what Chari calls "using the heart to think" . The heart is a PUMP (a slave), not a "nerve or control center". So in other words Chari says: DON'T THINK!! Or in Chari's venacular: "THINKING is the enemy of Spirituality!!" NOT!! Thinking is the enemy of "manipulators"!!
An old friend used to quote one of her teachers: "Would you rather be Plato or a contented pig?"
Without "thinking", we descend to the level of "animal instincts" and act accordingly. Babuji did not stifle the thought process. With Chari, acting as pigs or other animal (lion, spider, wolf, sheep, etc...) is the only choice the poor adept has, as thinking, (western) civilization, and even the (thinking) bloggers are maliciously made out to be the "enemies of spirituality". Hence, they (the abhyasis) are then called: "not much quality" and have to be "trained" so as to make them "obey" as they are discouraged from THINKING for, and by themselves!
Since Chari, according to his own words in this speech, sees more "no quality" people in Sahaj Marg, most of the "quality people" must have left SRCM (California-1997), I guess, because I see many "quality people" elsewhere! And I find that more and more, "quality people" are not members of "religions" or so-called "spiritual groups" but are more spiritual in REALITY!
Religions and Spiritual groups (autocratic pyramidal structures) seem to turn "quality people" into "not quality people", even according to the "structure", and according to the words of the leader (Master and President) of the structure (SRCM California-1997) . Such is the modus operandi of the "autonomous psychic entities" summoned by prayers or incantations by the abhyasis. These "autonomous" entities are the commonly called: "egregores" or "groupthink". No DIVINE manifestation there!!
Elodie (from the French blog: Pour Que Vive le Sahaj Marg) said:
How can one trust a Guru who has misled for 45 years?
The chairman of the Shri Ram Chandra Mission is claiming to restore the quality of Sahaj Marg by reducing the amount of abhyasis. This seems much too simplistic. That quantity adversely affects the quality is an accepted fact. But the reverse is not automatically acceptable.
To advance the weekly satsangh to 7 :30 AM does not restore the quality of the teaching of Sahaj Marg.
Who is stupid enough to believe it does?
Elodie
Change in Weekly Satsangh Timings
Talk given by Master on 31st May, 2009 at New Delhi, India
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Nobody thought of discomfort, nobody thought of food, drink. And when we entered Shahjahanpur, or we alighted from the train that we traveled by, our hearts were ready to burst!
I want to put that fire back in your hearts! (the heart is a PUMP ... the fire is OUT?) And it will not come with easy living or with policies in the Mission destined to please you. (it is destined to serve the "GODS OF MATERIAL and MONEY) If your manager or your boss pleases you, there's something wrong with him (or HER) . I learned this when I was in service myself. A popular manager is no manager. It means he's easy going, he lets you do what you want to do, what you think you should do, not what has to be done. (As in business, Chari is trying to get the poor to work harder for less so the "shareholders" can get richer. It is not for the benefit of the POOR, but for the Benefit of the MATERIALISTS. And as usual, "THEY" claim it is for our own GOOD!! NOT!! ) In Sahaj Marg, this will no longer work. I'm saying this only for your benefit - if you want to evolve to the highest possible limits within this human life. (There is only this LIFE?? Make up your mind ("Brain", not "heart")) This is the only life of which you are certain. (Is that right?? That is not what you seem to preach dogmatically, Chari!) We do not know whether there is a next life. (And what about the "Whispers from the Brighter World" ?? Is that sold under false pretenses?) It does not matter. Babuji said, in Sahaj Marg we have no concern with past lives and future lives. (You both seem to speak from "both sides of your mouth"... Why are you meditating if you are not concerned about the FUTURE LIVES or LIFE?) We are concerned only with this life because this we have, and this we can utilize for our benefit. (That does not mean for Material benefit, but for SPIRITUAL which is apparently ETERNAL and does not STOP, but continues eternally (no beginning and no end)) And this wisdom must come to you every day, in every day living.
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Comments by 4d-Don are in "red italics"
Although these changes are really for "financial" reasons, Chari still tries to claim that they are for the sake of the "spiritual" growth of the abhyasis as he continues to increase the "material" worth of the MISSION, reveling in its material comfort built with "charity" dollars from around the world. That is the material Mission built by Chari, populated by "not quality people" according to the words of Chari (see below). The Master has not done his work according to the philosophy of the Mission of Babuji. According to Babuji, the Master is responsible for the spiritual growth of the adept, that is the reason for avoiding unfettered (or cancerous) growth or "commercializing" of the MISSION. The true spiritual work cannot be performed by the Master if there are hundreds of thousands of abhyasis to grow spiritually.
But more importantly, the SPIRITUAL experience, claimed to be "divine", in the Sahaj Marg meditation could be attributed to the "shortage of OXYGEN" intake by the abhyasis during meditation. That "oxygen shortage", Chari inadvertently admits takes place in a statement which he assigns to Lalaji. That lack of oxygen could explain the emotionalism of the followers of Sahaj Marg, and their inability to deal with LOGIC (due to the now mal-functionning tool of the "oxygen shortage(d)" brain), and it could explain their submissive and obedient behaviour, their addictive tendencies, and hence their ability to be manipulated. This is what Chari calls "using the heart to think" . The heart is a PUMP (a slave), not a "nerve or control center". So in other words Chari says: DON'T THINK!! Or in Chari's venacular: "THINKING is the enemy of Spirituality!!" NOT!! Thinking is the enemy of "manipulators"!!
An old friend used to quote one of her teachers: "Would you rather be Plato or a contented pig?"
Without "thinking", we descend to the level of "animal instincts" and act accordingly. Babuji did not stifle the thought process. With Chari, acting as pigs or other animal (lion, spider, wolf, sheep, etc...) is the only choice the poor adept has, as thinking, (western) civilization, and even the (thinking) bloggers are maliciously made out to be the "enemies of spirituality". Hence, they (the abhyasis) are then called: "not much quality" and have to be "trained" so as to make them "obey" as they are discouraged from THINKING for, and by themselves!
Since Chari, according to his own words in this speech, sees more "no quality" people in Sahaj Marg, most of the "quality people" must have left SRCM (California-1997), I guess, because I see many "quality people" elsewhere! And I find that more and more, "quality people" are not members of "religions" or so-called "spiritual groups" but are more spiritual in REALITY!
Religions and Spiritual groups (autocratic pyramidal structures) seem to turn "quality people" into "not quality people", even according to the "structure", and according to the words of the leader (Master and President) of the structure (SRCM California-1997) . Such is the modus operandi of the "autonomous psychic entities" summoned by prayers or incantations by the abhyasis. These "autonomous" entities are the commonly called: "egregores" or "groupthink". No DIVINE manifestation there!!
Elodie (from the French blog: Pour Que Vive le Sahaj Marg) said:
How can one trust a Guru who has misled for 45 years?
The chairman of the Shri Ram Chandra Mission is claiming to restore the quality of Sahaj Marg by reducing the amount of abhyasis. This seems much too simplistic. That quantity adversely affects the quality is an accepted fact. But the reverse is not automatically acceptable.
To advance the weekly satsangh to 7 :30 AM does not restore the quality of the teaching of Sahaj Marg.
Who is stupid enough to believe it does?
Elodie
Change in Weekly Satsangh Timings
Talk given by Master on 31st May, 2009 at New Delhi, India
(...)
Nobody thought of discomfort, nobody thought of food, drink. And when we entered Shahjahanpur, or we alighted from the train that we traveled by, our hearts were ready to burst!
I'm sorry to say that I don't see this nowadays. (Nobody is "obeying" the autocrats? Good! There is hope for Mankind! It does not mean that there is less SPIRITUALITY or realization of REALITY! Just people thinking and acting as "adults" not as SHEEP! ) And perhaps it is my fault that I have permitted timings to be changed, routines to be changed, requirements to be weakened. (now the warning of Dr. Varadachari finally comes to mind about focusing on the "Material", wealth, comfort, numbers, (quantity, not quality) "COMMERCIALIZATION" of the Mission, etc...and Chari does not like what he has created, leading his sheep into the "MATERIAL", not SPIRIT! ) Being led to believe (still blaming others, the enemies inside??) that if our requirements are stringent, people will not come. We have made the mistake (Chari made the mistake) of not obeying Babuji's principles where he said, "I want quality, not quantity." I believe that somewhere along the way in the past forty five years, this mistake was made by me first, (Finally, yes! After "twenty-five years", not "forty-five years" (Babuji passed away in 1983) of leading the "gullible and naive" off the SPIRITUAL path and into the divisive MATERIAL development path of the BUSINESSMEN of RELIGION) that we (...not "we", but "Chari" ...against the warnings and protests of others in the "inner circle" of Babuji ) started thinking of numbers and not quality so that today we have a great deal of numbers and not much quality. (you don't have to tell us. We are the families of the gullible ones you led off the path of the ONE-ness ... your sheep are still "emotional" and the METHOD is not fixing their emotionalism, their lack of compassion, forgiveness, their "arrogance", etc... WHERE IS THE LOVE AND BROTHERHOOD promised by Sahaj Marg and the Masters of SRCM? Is Sahaj Marg just another religious SCAM that promises a lot but gives nothing but division and tension, and stress in the families and society at large, and emotionalism and arrogance to the abhyasis who are then considered by the same Masters of SRCM (California-1997) as: "not much quality".
As, by your own admission, you, Sahaj Marg and SRCM (California-1997) did not deliver on your part of the "bargain". Then, do the right thing, and give back the "charity" dollars you took to build your "Ashrams, Private School, retreats, ranch, castle, etc... These charity funds were taken and used for "your comfort" as you mention in this speech. You can well afford to pay your own way. This "charity" was taken from our country and accumulated under our "tax-exempt" legislation meant for legitimate "charity"!! Wealthy Foreigners can find their own "charity" dollars which they seem to spend without accountability elsewhere, such as in their own country. One should not travel around the world on "charity" dollars. Pay your own way, and pay your taxes as a "business", not as a "charity"! Your "entourage" of businessmen and family, can afford to pay for their own travel, lodging, food, cost of seminars, etc ... just like the poor "sheep". Call it a "business expense"! The "business" is the incursions into other markets for the nationalistic "glory of India", as you teach the children in your "PRIVATE Boarding school" built for the benefit of the children of the wealthy, not for SPIRITUALITY, and certainly not for "charity".
This is not a comment about any individual. It is a comment. And as we say in English, "Let him wear the cap whom it fits." (WEAR THE HAT... IT FITS) It is sad, because now when we converted the time to Nine AM for satsangh on Sundays, people take it very easy, you know. It's as if they're going to work or some obligation - not to themselves, but to the Mission, to their prefect, whatever. That it is something that has to be tolerated, something that has to be done, something that has to be undergone. (And who demanded "OBEDIENCE" to the dogmatic commercial slogan "3M's" (Master, Mission, Method? CHARI? His Son? Who is the MASTER here at SRCM (California-1997)? )
So we wake up relaxed, we have our nastha [breakfast] or whatever, we come with full stomachs. We serve breakfast, which is a big mistake. And so when we sit for meditation, most of us are full in the stomach, empty in the heart (That should be that there are no perceptible "spiritual qualities" (love, forgiveness, caring, brotherhood, charity, kindness, etc ...) in the abhyasis' "BRAIN". The heart is a PUMP (slave) for blood, not an instrument for analyzing, thinking and responding to stimuli from inside and outside the body ... Now the "brain" is also made out to be another "enemy of Spirituality" according to Chari!! The enemy within. But it is the BRAIN that decides to go and MEDITATE, not the heart. There is no UNITY in the Spiritual SCAMS such as Sahaj Marg ... always "divisions"... even inside!! It will self-destruct due to "entropy".) , worries in the brain, snoring - most of us. It is sad. Because we are like steam locomotives where there is no steam! The locomotive itself cannot move out, how will it pull a train? (Where did the steam go in Sahaj Marg? To feed the 3M's. And it seems that the PEOPLE are tired of it. Maybe they are starting to THINK! If there is no new energy coming from the "ONE", (the "male" God of Chari) and Chari and his preceptors are simply "re-hashing" the energy of the masses of "sheep" back to them, then that autonomous "egregoric" situation will eventually destroy itself through an increase in "entropy". The masses will eventually see through the commercial "slogans" and tire of the MATERIAL trappings of comfort, and opulence and "spiritualism" being proselytized and sold by them (the preceptors) to the world, as SPIRITUALITY!!)
Therefore I am bringing some changes as of today, officially. Sunday satsangh will be at 7:30 am wherever we may be, whether we are in the Himalayas, or in America, or in the deserts. 7:30 am without fail. There will be no breakfast, no tea, nothing served before satsangh. At 9 am, we will have what's called brunch, which is something like - you know - breakfast and lunch, in between! It will be adequate. There will be limited service of food, in quantity. (Opulence (not the profits?) will now be sacrificed because of "financial" considerations, not because of SPIRITUAL considerations. The food will still be "SPICY" and not RAJA Yoga! Hence still making the "diners" (and our family members) arrogant!) be There will be no second service, no second helping. (Will you now give "saved" money to the POOR?? or will you simply purchase more "golden lions", marble, 14 ft ceilings in the PRIVATE schools for the wealthy, Lawyer fees, more development, or profiteering from "foreclosures" or the blood, sweat and tears of the working poor, etc..."? ) Because the purpose during your ashram existence should be to keep body and soul together, so that the soul may evolve, whatever may happen to the body. We're not here to feed you. (... and obviously not to feed the poor or to make the world more SPIRITUAL, but more MATERIALIST and more in comfort, luxury and opulence. ) We're here to stimulate the presence in your heart (Presence in your heart? What presence lives in your PUMP? Is it "conscious"? Is it a LIGHT? Is there a LIFE after this one, from which you got this message from the ghost of BABUJI in a "channeled message from the French Lady Medium who channels the Commercial Scam of the Sahaj Marg BIBLE you call: Whispers from the Brighter Word" messages? Is there a "BRIGHTER WORLD"? YES OR NO!!) through your own effort by following the ten maxims. (A change from what Babuji called them: "Commandements"... not "maxims")
So there will be brunch at nine o' clock. If you are here for the whole day there will be what we call high tea at three o' clock - again adequate. Not filling, (less food, same price) but in a spiritual sense, fulfilling. There will be dinner if it's a continuous program for two to three days, which will be at seven thirty. This is Sunday - morning seven thirty meditation, evening five thirty or six as convenient. Not later. And this must be strictly followed. It doesn't matter whether there is one person or one million. (Chari can't stop being "dogmatic" and "fundamentalist" or "strict"... ;-)) ... To Chari, abhyasis are like children or sheep, they have to be controlled and herded from one pasture (family, society, country, etc.) to another (the material SRCM (California-1997) Empire))
Babuji Maharaj told me (bull-don't believe it! ) that Lalaji Sahib - our grand master or Adi Guru (Lalaji has nothing to do with Sahaj Marg according to Kasturi, the only Saint in Sahaj Marg, according to Babuji) - if he said Six Thirty satsangh, he was there at Six Thirty (And Babuji met Lalaji but a few times, so he must know!! NOT) . He commenced satsangh without thinking of how many people there were. It did not matter. Because his transmission, his tavajju, was not only for people who were present, it was for everybody in the universe. (Oh! The UNIVERSE now!! Little megalomaniacs and their: Master of the UNIVERSE mania!) He transmitted. (Chari should read about the SUFI "transmission" and it's use... It is not as he says... Read Lalalj and his "Naqshbandiyya Nexus" . Babuji was not a member or a preceptor of this group and only met Lalaji a few times.) And when he finished satsangh, he had one or two disciples - close, intimate, developed people, with whom he took a walk. Because during a sitting, there is oxygen shortage within the system and that has to be replenished. Therefore there was a walk. (So, don't drive after meditation or you could crash into others? Is there a shortage of OXYGEN during the METHOD? That sure explains the possible "drowsiness", halucinations, and many other experiences that have been attributed to the DIVINE by this clan of religious "businesmen" ... The "Scam" is now revealed and exposed by their main SALESMAN, Chari!! The SPIRITUAL experiences in Sahaj Marg are due to LACK OF OXYGEN !! According to Babuji, all "experiences" and sensations received during meditation had to be "pushed away" as they are the "addictions to the powers" whereby some remain blocked on the "path". Inducing a lack of oxygen to the point of "fainting" is a "children game" from centuries past that children still play at today, as some astute parents warn their children about the dangers of such "oxygen deprivation" for the sake of narcissistic sensuality. "No sex please, we are being spiritual and hence, "sensual" already, and are "holier than thou"! ( Induced "arrogance" using spices (Rajasic sensuality?), and lack of oxygen. (Hathasic sensuality?))
Babuji has described all his life with Lalaji Sahib, how Lalaji Maharaj was not well endowed in physical terms. He was not a rich man. He had a big family. (how big??) Babuji has very vividly said how even in the coldest winter of Fatehgarh, he used to sleep with his whole family under one torn blanket. (So did we! We were so poor that....)
We must come to understand, whether we are white or black, men or women, that a certain modicum of discomfort is essential for spiritual evolution. I remember way back, I proposed to Babuji Maharaj that we have a bus to convey people from Shahjahanpur station to the ashram. He said, "I like your idea, but I do not want too much comfort. It is against spirituality." (Another "enemy of spirituality"? Chari still misses the point and the message. It is the addictive properties of comfort that keeps one focussed on the MATERIAL, just like Chari, rather than on the SPIRIT, just like CHARI!! GIVE THE MATERIAL so the POOR can also have a SHARE!! BE SPIRITUAL, not "BECOME" spiritual tomorrow!!)
Illat, Killat, Zillat. Illat - what is Illat? What is Killat? What is Zillat? Roughly, you must have less than what you need, you must have less health than what is perfect health, and there must always be criticism about you. If you have fifteen annas when you need sixteen - one rupee - you are wise in expenditure. (this is the real reason for the "changes". The Financial Crisis) You spend only on essentials. Essentials. And perhaps you can even save some money. I remember when my father was in the railways and he had an income of eighty rupees a month in Jabalpur in 1935, -36 - seventy five years ago, almost. On that, he managed to save five rupees. But nowadays, we have people with thirty thousand rupees a month, fifty thousand rupees a month. They (YOU could you not focus on your SPIRIT rather than on "THEIR" foibles!! ) are perpetually in debt, perpetually worried about the future in which they have no faith, they have no faith in themselves. (You speak in generalities and you don't know THEM... You suck the MATERIAL from "THEM" by GUILTING "THEM"... you should be grateful they give to you... you should say "thank you" and respect THEM for their "generosity". Just think, if they did not give to you and volunteer for your MATERIALIST EMPIRE of "comfort" and opulence, "THEY" could donate that money and time to help the needy and the POOR!! ) They (you) are worried about their jobs; they are worried about their families. Because we have become intemperate in our habits. Sleep late - eleven o' clock, twelve o' clock, one o' clock. Rise late, five minutes before you have to go to work. What about meditation? Tomorrow. (What about the POOR? Tomorrow? TOO LATE!!)
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